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Documents Reveal: Cops Planted Pot on 92-Year Old Woman They Killed in Botched Drug Raid
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Three narcotics agents were trolling the streets near the Bluffs in northwest Atlanta, a known market for drugs, midday on the Tuesday before Thanksgiving.
Eventually they set their sights on some apartments on Lanier Street, usually fertile when narcotics agents are looking for arrests and seizures.
Gregg Junnier and another narcotics officer went inside the apartments around 2 p.m. while Jason Smith checked the woods. Smith found dozens of bags of marijuana -- in baggies that were clear, blue or various other colors and packaged to sell. With no one connected to the pot, Smith stashed the bags in the trunk of the patrol car. A use was found for Smith's stash 90 minutes later: A phone tip led the three officers to a man in a "gold-colored jacket" who might be dealing. The man, identified as X in the documents but known as Fabian Sheats, spotted the cops and put something in his mouth. They found no drugs on Sheats, but came up with a use for the pot they found earlier.
They wanted information or they would arrest Sheats for dealing.
While Junnier called for a drug-sniffing dog, Smith planted some bags under a rock, which the K-9 unit found.
But if Sheats gave them something, he could walk.
Sheats pointed out 933 Neal St., the home of 92-year-old Kathryn Johnston. That, he claimed, is where he spotted a kilogram of cocaine when he was there to buy crack from a man named "Sam."
They needed someone to go inside, but Sheats would not do for their purposes because he was not a certified confidential informant.
So about 5:05 p.m. they reached out by telephone to Alex White to make an undercover buy for them. They had experience with White and he had proved to be a reliable snitch.
But White had no transportation and could not help.
Still, Smith, Junnier and the other officer, Arthur Tesler, according to the state's case, ran with the information. They fabricated all the right answers to persuade a magistrate to give them a no-knock search warrant.
By 6 p.m., they had the legal document they needed to break into Kathryn Johnston's house, and within 40 minutes they were prying off the burglar bars and using a ram to burst through the elderly woman's front door. It took about two minutes to get inside, which gave Johnston time to retrieve her rusty .38 revolver.
Tesler was at the back door when Junnier, Smith and the other narcotics officers crashed through the front.
Johnston got off one shot, the bullet missing her target and hitting a porch roof. The three narcotics officers answered with 39 bullets.
Five or six bullets hit the terrified woman. Authorities never figured out who fired the fatal bullet, the one that hit Johnston in the chest. Some pieces of the other bullets -- friendly fire -- hit Junnier and two other cops.
The officers handcuffed the mortally wounded woman and searched the house.
There was no Sam.
There were no drugs.
There were no cameras that the officers had claimed was the reason for the no-knock warrant.
Just Johnston, handcuffed and bleeding on her living room floor.
That is when the officers took it to another level. Three baggies of marijuana were retrieved from the trunk of the car and planted in Johnston's basement. The rest of the pot from the trunk was dropped down a sewage drain and disappeared.
The three began getting their stories straight.
The next day, one of them, allegedly Tesler, completed the required incident report in which he wrote that the officers went to the house because their informant had bought crack at the Neal Street address. And Smith turned in two bags of crack to support that claim.
They plotted how they would cover up the lie.
They tried to line up one of their regular informants, Alex White, the reliable snitch with the unreliable transportation.
The officers' story would be that they met with White at an abandoned carwash Nov. 21 and gave him $50 to make the buy from Neal Street.
To add credibility to their story, they actually paid White his usual $30 fee for information and explained to him how he was to say the scenario played out if asked. An unidentified store owner kicked in another $100 to entice White to go along with the play.
The three cops spoke several times, assuring each other of the story they would tell.
But Junnier was the first to break.
On Dec. 11, three weeks after the shooting, Junnier told the FBI it was all a lie.
Note: Junnier will face 10 years and one month and Smith 12 years and seven months. No sentencing date was immediately set, and the sentences are contingent on the men cooperating with the government. Arthur Tesler, also on administrative leave, was charged with violation of oath by a public officer, making false statements and false imprisonment under color of legal process. His attorney, William McKenney, said Tesler expects to go to trial.
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Posted by: Aussie Kim on Apr 30, 2007 12:49 AM
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I hope that poor old lady has family that will sue this pack of mindless, dribbling idiots until they have to sell the next 3 generations of their family into slavery.
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Posted by: drblack on Apr 30, 2007 1:38 AM
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This is the kind of crap that happens all the time because of the immoral and failed "War On Some Drugs'.
Violence would be cut by 75% if drugs were no longer prohibited.
Maybe then the Police could go after real criminals for a change.
How the hell can a plant that has been shown to be safer than coffe be illegal?
I wrote an essay in Jr. High school in 1981 that stated that real threats to our nation would be allowed to flourish because we were wasting our law enforcement on protecting people from themselves.
I even speculated that the USA would be attacked by terrorists if the drug war was allowed to continue because the CIA and FBI would be too busy fighting plants and their extracts to find the real dangers that threatened the USA.
The police,courts,politicians,customs ,banks are filled with corruption because drugs which cost pennies when legal are now worth hundreds because they are illegal.
If someone you know and love is gunned down there is a good chance it was because drugs are illegal.
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» "Same as it ever was." Just as with Alcohol Prohibition.
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Posted by: kelt65 on Apr 30, 2007 4:40 AM
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How many true stories that reveal police to be nothing less than absolute scum, worthless criminal garbage do we have to endure before we send them to their rightful place?
Nearly every television show on prime time is the most breathless idiocy of police worship.
Tell a cop he's a scumbag today.
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Posted by: guybjones on Apr 30, 2007 5:13 AM
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Posted by: mizipi on Apr 30, 2007 5:15 AM
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Ain't it great to live in a nation with so much government?!!!
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Posted by: kelt65 on Apr 30, 2007 5:19 AM
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IF ONE FICTIONAL FIGURE can be said to have dominated the popcult of the eighties, it was the Cop. Fuckin' police ev- erywhere you turned, worse than real life. What an incredible bore.
Powerful Cops--protecting the meek and humble--at the expense of a half-dozen or so articles of the Bill of Rights- -"Dirty Harry." Nice human cops, coping with human perversity, coming out sweet 'n' sour, you know, gruff & knowing but still soft inside--Hill Street Blues--most evil TV show ever. Wiseass black cops scoring witty racist remarks against hick white cops, who nevertheless come to love each other--Eddie Murphy, Class Traitor. For that masochist thrill we got wicked bent cops who threaten to topple our Kozy Konsensus Reality from within like Giger- designed tapeworms, but naturally get blown away just in the nick of time by the Last Honest Cop, Robocop, ideal amalgam of prosthesis and sentimentality.
We've been obsessed with cops since the beginning--but the rozzers of yore played bumbling fools, Keystone Kops, Car 54 Where Are You, booby-bobbies set up for Fatty Arbuckle or Buster Keaton to squash & deflate. But in the ideal drama of the eighties, the "little man" who once scattered bluebottles by the hundred with that anarchist's bomb, innocently used to light a cigarette--the Tramp, the victim with the sudden power of the pure heart--no longer has a place at the center of narrative. Once "we" were that hobo, that quasi-surrealist chaote hero who wins thru wu- wei over the ludicrous minions of a despised & irrelevant Order. But now "we" are reduced to the status of victims without power, or else criminals. "We" no longer occupy that central role; no longer the heros of our own stories, we've been marginalized & replaced by the Other, the Cop.
Thus the Cop Show has only three characters--victim, criminal, and policeperson--but the first two fail to be fully human--only the pig is real. Oddly enough, human society in the eighties (as seen in the other media) sometimes appeared to consist of the same three cliche/archetypes. First the victims, the whining minorities bitching about "rights"--and who pray tell did not belong to a "minority" in the eighties? Shit, even cops complained about their "rights" being abused. Then the criminals: largely non-white (despite the obligatory & hallucinatory "integration" of the media), largely poor (or else obscenely rich, hence even more alien), largely perverse (i.e. the forbidden mirrors of "our" desires). I've heard that one out of four households in America is robbed every year, & that every year nearly half a million of us are arrested just for smoking pot. In the face of such statistics (even assuming they're "damned lies") one wonders who is NOT either victim or criminal in our police-state-of-consciousness. The fuzz must mediate for all of us, however fuzzy the interface-- they're only warrior-priests, however profane. America's Most Wanted--the most successful TV game show of the eighties--opened up for all of us the role of Amateur Cop, hitherto merely a media fantasy of middleclass resentment & revenge. Naturally the truelife Cop hates no one so much as the vigilante--look what happens to poor &/or non-white neighborhood self-protection groups like the Muslims who tried to eliminate crack dealing in Brooklyn: the cops busted the Muslims, the pushers went free. Real vigilantes threaten the monopoly of enforcement, lÉse majest, more abominable than incest or murder. But media(ted) vigilantes function perfectly within the CopState; in fact, it would be more accurate to think of them as unpaid (not even a set of matched luggage!) informers: telemetric snitches, electro-stoolies, ratfinks- for-a-day.
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Posted by: LMNOP on Apr 30, 2007 6:05 AM
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Apr 30, 2007 6:36 AM
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There are obviously a certain number instances in which no-knocks are essential for the protection of the police and, indeed, the protection of the suspects. A known armed-to-the-gills crackhouse, or a known methlab filled with toxics and combustibles make good candidates for "Surprise, criminal"-style raids. But a little old ladies house? Based on very poor, unverified information? Not so much. Limiting the number of no-knocks, and using them only when appropriate is the best way to keep folks safe. Better cooperation between the citizens and the police wouldn't hurt, either, from a "get the correct information before acting" perspective.
The cops-turned-criminals will have a decade behind bars to think about how they should have protected Ms Johnston instead of precipitating her death. Hopefully, it won't take the rest of us that long to see how badly the broad use of no-knock warrants infringes on our fundamental rights as U.S. citizens.
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Posted by: gary_7vn on Apr 30, 2007 6:58 AM
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The War on Drugs, Terror, you name it, produces a lot of collateral damage, what a surprise.
When will America have a War on War?
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Posted by: guntotingliberal on Apr 30, 2007 7:29 AM
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It's inconsistent to favor one prohibition and support another.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Apr 30, 2007 8:06 AM
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The Stasi operated with broad power and remarkable attention to detail. All phone calls from the West were monitored, as was all mail. Similar surveillance was routine domestically. Every factory, social club and youth association was infiltrated; many East Germans were persuaded or blackmailed into informing on their own families.
The Stasi kept close tabs on all potential subversives. Stasi agents collected scent samples from people by wiping bits of cloth on objects they had touched. These samples were stored in airtight glass containers and special dogs were trained to track down the person's scent. The agency was authorized to conduct secret smear campaigns against anyone it judged to be a threat; this might include sending anonymous letters and making anonymous phone calls to blackmail the targeted person. Torture was an accepted method of getting information.
The film, The Lives of Others, now in theaters, describes this system - which is very similar to the ones that Bush, Cheney, Ashcroft, Rumsfeld, Gonzales, etc. have set up in the United States. They are now using slimy, dishonest undercover drug cops as political snitches.
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Posted by: willymack on Apr 30, 2007 8:09 AM
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Posted by: fanny666 on Apr 30, 2007 8:44 AM
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Posted by: mcubed on Apr 30, 2007 10:12 AM
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The war on drugs makes no sense.
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Posted by: gltirebiter on Apr 30, 2007 10:12 AM
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first, drugs are made illegal, and private corporations are contracted to conduct random drug testing on the working public (and a highly lucrative racket it is, too).
anyone failing a random test loses his or her job, without any meaningful recourse...you failed, you are fired.
cops are given more and more power to spy and arrest and assault drug users.
more arrests mean more prosecutors, judges, prisons are needed to process the offenders.
more and more citizens are convicted of drug offenses, sent to prison.
because of their criminal records, these citizens cannot find gainful employment upon release.
because of this increase in unemployable citizens, recidivism is common...or trumped up by the authorities.
all these prosecutions and convictions create crime statistics the authorities can use to ask for more power, more money.
and here is another thing to think about...
nobody i ever knew who was busted was a voting republican.
once arrested and convicted, citizens are disenfranchised, they lose the right to vote, thus eliminating an entire bloc of political opponents.
not only does the drug war perpetuate itself through an endless cycle of arrests, convictions, incarcerations, confiscation of property, and probation.
police and prison guard pacs donate heavily to repugnicunt political campaigns.
this is a social purge, pure and simple. the dope smokers neither respect nor vote for these bastards, so the authorities can eliminate them by demonizing their behavior and creating a premanent criminal/prisoner class with no hope for the future, thus ensuring that the cops, guards/judges/probation officers/prosecutors/snitches will always have their jobs.
this country has become a festering, stinking shithole.
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Posted by: WitchyNy on Apr 30, 2007 10:27 AM
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Posted by: Don Garb on Apr 30, 2007 10:45 AM
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Posted by: picket on Apr 30, 2007 11:20 AM
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The sad truth is that the damage that has been done, to the fabric of our society, by the inhumane drug laws and greedy interests will never be rectified in our lifetime.
If by some MIRACLE our elected leaders were to get their minds around the real problems TODAY and put a stop to the current Washington Drug Policy Deceptions, some of us will have HOPE for the lives of future generations of American citizens.
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Posted by: WitchyNy on Apr 30, 2007 11:34 AM
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A woman cop once told me that they were losing the drug war...and they did not know what else to do. (besides random drug raids)
Well, I don't think they are supposed to win it.
Remember in the Godfather when the government (excuse me-the Mafia) were first planning to start bringing drugs to America? We will only sell it to the Black people, they said, they are animals anyway.
What if Black people stopped using drugs and instead organized and turned their despair and anger on the U.S. Government? Can't have THAT happen...here....use some more drugs.
And of course, now our young white kids are using hard drugs. You reap what you sow....
WHAT TO DO.
1. Stop the war. Spend the money at home.
2. Free college for everyone
3. People before profits. We need to change the military-industrial-system to a envioronment first- people first- system.
4. Legalize pot. If people want to spend their days high on pot..let them. Let them sit around and sing and laugh and eat.
There are worse things.
5. Eat the rich. What ever system you call it..we don't need rich people running it.
6. Everyone must grow orgainc vegetable gardens. Make it a law.
7. Jobs must be meaningful and necessary and for the common good. If they are not-make them stay home and tend the garden.
8. God is the Earth. If you conspire to pollute-then you should go to jail-for religious education.
9. Jails are for education, and then freedom. Unless the crinimal is violent-such as a child molester or a rapist. Robbery is usually due to poverty.
10. Poverty is the worse form of violence.
Poverty, War, Capitalism, Ignorance and Racism are the problems.
Solve those problems and we solve the drug problem.
Drugs are just a symptom.
Take back our country from the rich. This is NOT a Capitalistic system. This is a DEMOCRATIC system.
Remember?
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Posted by: jazznut on Apr 30, 2007 2:07 PM
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Posted by: gonzoskismet on Apr 30, 2007 6:07 PM
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Back in those days, I worked as a columnist in some of what they called 'underground newspapers.' And, a place on the list of the 'House of UnAmerican Activities' list. I got an all paid visit from the F b of I, told them to go do their mothers and rolled on in life.
I hung out in a Dallas park in those days called Lee Park. It wasn't unusual in those days to have the drunk rednecks come by at 2 o clock in the morning and fire random shots into the park. So, everybody bought guns and shot back. It was the American Way, shoot back.
Narcs were everywhere in those days and it wasn't surprising to find some of them floating in Turtle Creek, which flowed through Lee Park. THAT was the price you paid for narcing back then. I think it was during that period that I embarassed the Libertarian faith. There was no law enforcement in Lee Park except to keep you awake in the morning after you had been up all night tripping some REALLY good acid.
Now, because of our 'so called' government, narcing is a business and old ladies are the victims. I saw a lot of innocent people killed in Dallas in the sixties under the drug laws then.
You could get busted back then for throwing a wad of aluminum foil from a car. The drugs would be 'provided.' Everybody carried a gun because everybody knew how things were. But an old lady can't shoot a gun that well So she died and they planted. WHAT HAS CHANGED in the last 35 years?
Nothing.
Does this make you mad, America? Or do you suck on the teat of Homeland Security and don't care what is being done to you as long as no 'terrarists' threaten you with loving Allah or loving America? How many times have you seen bearded men with the Koran tightly clutched to their breasts in YOUR neighbor hood?
BOO!!!! America. Boo! I feel for you!
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Posted by: dogonvillage on May 7, 2007 11:39 AM
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Check the site November.org, I found countless stories about dishonest snitches when I was researching for my novel “SnitchCraft.” It really is an epidemic that needs to be addressed. Perhaps the visit to speak before Congress by the CI in the Johnston case will convince them to do something. I doubt it. The mounting fatalities in the “War on Terror” hasn’t triggered any action in DC. We should all be ashamed of the state of America! Edrea Davis
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Posted by: Aussie Kim on Apr 30, 2007 12:49 AM
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I hope that poor old lady has family that will sue this pack of mindless, dribbling idiots until they have to sell the next 3 generations of their family into slavery.
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Posted by: drblack on Apr 30, 2007 1:38 AM
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This is the kind of crap that happens all the time because of the immoral and failed "War On Some Drugs'.
Violence would be cut by 75% if drugs were no longer prohibited.
Maybe then the Police could go after real criminals for a change.
How the hell can a plant that has been shown to be safer than coffe be illegal?
I wrote an essay in Jr. High school in 1981 that stated that real threats to our nation would be allowed to flourish because we were wasting our law enforcement on protecting people from themselves.
I even speculated that the USA would be attacked by terrorists if the drug war was allowed to continue because the CIA and FBI would be too busy fighting plants and their extracts to find the real dangers that threatened the USA.
The police,courts,politicians,customs ,banks are filled with corruption because drugs which cost pennies when legal are now worth hundreds because they are illegal.
If someone you know and love is gunned down there is a good chance it was because drugs are illegal.
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Posted by: kelt65 on Apr 30, 2007 4:40 AM
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How many true stories that reveal police to be nothing less than absolute scum, worthless criminal garbage do we have to endure before we send them to their rightful place?
Nearly every television show on prime time is the most breathless idiocy of police worship.
Tell a cop he's a scumbag today.
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Posted by: mizipi on Apr 30, 2007 5:15 AM
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Ain't it great to live in a nation with so much government?!!!
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Posted by: kelt65 on Apr 30, 2007 5:19 AM
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IF ONE FICTIONAL FIGURE can be said to have dominated the popcult of the eighties, it was the Cop. Fuckin' police ev- erywhere you turned, worse than real life. What an incredible bore.
Powerful Cops--protecting the meek and humble--at the expense of a half-dozen or so articles of the Bill of Rights- -"Dirty Harry." Nice human cops, coping with human perversity, coming out sweet 'n' sour, you know, gruff & knowing but still soft inside--Hill Street Blues--most evil TV show ever. Wiseass black cops scoring witty racist remarks against hick white cops, who nevertheless come to love each other--Eddie Murphy, Class Traitor. For that masochist thrill we got wicked bent cops who threaten to topple our Kozy Konsensus Reality from within like Giger- designed tapeworms, but naturally get blown away just in the nick of time by the Last Honest Cop, Robocop, ideal amalgam of prosthesis and sentimentality.
We've been obsessed with cops since the beginning--but the rozzers of yore played bumbling fools, Keystone Kops, Car 54 Where Are You, booby-bobbies set up for Fatty Arbuckle or Buster Keaton to squash & deflate. But in the ideal drama of the eighties, the "little man" who once scattered bluebottles by the hundred with that anarchist's bomb, innocently used to light a cigarette--the Tramp, the victim with the sudden power of the pure heart--no longer has a place at the center of narrative. Once "we" were that hobo, that quasi-surrealist chaote hero who wins thru wu- wei over the ludicrous minions of a despised & irrelevant Order. But now "we" are reduced to the status of victims without power, or else criminals. "We" no longer occupy that central role; no longer the heros of our own stories, we've been marginalized & replaced by the Other, the Cop.
Thus the Cop Show has only three characters--victim, criminal, and policeperson--but the first two fail to be fully human--only the pig is real. Oddly enough, human society in the eighties (as seen in the other media) sometimes appeared to consist of the same three cliche/archetypes. First the victims, the whining minorities bitching about "rights"--and who pray tell did not belong to a "minority" in the eighties? Shit, even cops complained about their "rights" being abused. Then the criminals: largely non-white (despite the obligatory & hallucinatory "integration" of the media), largely poor (or else obscenely rich, hence even more alien), largely perverse (i.e. the forbidden mirrors of "our" desires). I've heard that one out of four households in America is robbed every year, & that every year nearly half a million of us are arrested just for smoking pot. In the face of such statistics (even assuming they're "damned lies") one wonders who is NOT either victim or criminal in our police-state-of-consciousness. The fuzz must mediate for all of us, however fuzzy the interface-- they're only warrior-priests, however profane. America's Most Wanted--the most successful TV game show of the eighties--opened up for all of us the role of Amateur Cop, hitherto merely a media fantasy of middleclass resentment & revenge. Naturally the truelife Cop hates no one so much as the vigilante--look what happens to poor &/or non-white neighborhood self-protection groups like the Muslims who tried to eliminate crack dealing in Brooklyn: the cops busted the Muslims, the pushers went free. Real vigilantes threaten the monopoly of enforcement, lÉse majest, more abominable than incest or murder. But media(ted) vigilantes function perfectly within the CopState; in fact, it would be more accurate to think of them as unpaid (not even a set of matched luggage!) informers: telemetric snitches, electro-stoolies, ratfinks- for-a-day.
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Posted by: ABetterFuture on Apr 30, 2007 6:36 AM
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There are obviously a certain number instances in which no-knocks are essential for the protection of the police and, indeed, the protection of the suspects. A known armed-to-the-gills crackhouse, or a known methlab filled with toxics and combustibles make good candidates for "Surprise, criminal"-style raids. But a little old ladies house? Based on very poor, unverified information? Not so much. Limiting the number of no-knocks, and using them only when appropriate is the best way to keep folks safe. Better cooperation between the citizens and the police wouldn't hurt, either, from a "get the correct information before acting" perspective.
The cops-turned-criminals will have a decade behind bars to think about how they should have protected Ms Johnston instead of precipitating her death. Hopefully, it won't take the rest of us that long to see how badly the broad use of no-knock warrants infringes on our fundamental rights as U.S. citizens.
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Posted by: gary_7vn on Apr 30, 2007 6:58 AM
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The War on Drugs, Terror, you name it, produces a lot of collateral damage, what a surprise.
When will America have a War on War?
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Posted by: guntotingliberal on Apr 30, 2007 7:29 AM
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It's inconsistent to favor one prohibition and support another.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Apr 30, 2007 8:06 AM
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The Stasi operated with broad power and remarkable attention to detail. All phone calls from the West were monitored, as was all mail. Similar surveillance was routine domestically. Every factory, social club and youth association was infiltrated; many East Germans were persuaded or blackmailed into informing on their own families.
The Stasi kept close tabs on all potential subversives. Stasi agents collected scent samples from people by wiping bits of cloth on objects they had touched. These samples were stored in airtight glass containers and special dogs were trained to track down the person's scent. The agency was authorized to conduct secret smear campaigns against anyone it judged to be a threat; this might include sending anonymous letters and making anonymous phone calls to blackmail the targeted person. Torture was an accepted method of getting information.
The film, The Lives of Others, now in theaters, describes this system - which is very similar to the ones that Bush, Cheney, Ashcroft, Rumsfeld, Gonzales, etc. have set up in the United States. They are now using slimy, dishonest undercover drug cops as political snitches.
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Posted by: mcubed on Apr 30, 2007 10:12 AM
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The war on drugs makes no sense.
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Posted by: gltirebiter on Apr 30, 2007 10:12 AM
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first, drugs are made illegal, and private corporations are contracted to conduct random drug testing on the working public (and a highly lucrative racket it is, too).
anyone failing a random test loses his or her job, without any meaningful recourse...you failed, you are fired.
cops are given more and more power to spy and arrest and assault drug users.
more arrests mean more prosecutors, judges, prisons are needed to process the offenders.
more and more citizens are convicted of drug offenses, sent to prison.
because of their criminal records, these citizens cannot find gainful employment upon release.
because of this increase in unemployable citizens, recidivism is common...or trumped up by the authorities.
all these prosecutions and convictions create crime statistics the authorities can use to ask for more power, more money.
and here is another thing to think about...
nobody i ever knew who was busted was a voting republican.
once arrested and convicted, citizens are disenfranchised, they lose the right to vote, thus eliminating an entire bloc of political opponents.
not only does the drug war perpetuate itself through an endless cycle of arrests, convictions, incarcerations, confiscation of property, and probation.
police and prison guard pacs donate heavily to repugnicunt political campaigns.
this is a social purge, pure and simple. the dope smokers neither respect nor vote for these bastards, so the authorities can eliminate them by demonizing their behavior and creating a premanent criminal/prisoner class with no hope for the future, thus ensuring that the cops, guards/judges/probation officers/prosecutors/snitches will always have their jobs.
this country has become a festering, stinking shithole.
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Posted by: WitchyNy on Apr 30, 2007 10:27 AM
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Posted by: Don Garb on Apr 30, 2007 10:45 AM
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Posted by: picket on Apr 30, 2007 11:20 AM
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The sad truth is that the damage that has been done, to the fabric of our society, by the inhumane drug laws and greedy interests will never be rectified in our lifetime.
If by some MIRACLE our elected leaders were to get their minds around the real problems TODAY and put a stop to the current Washington Drug Policy Deceptions, some of us will have HOPE for the lives of future generations of American citizens.
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Posted by: WitchyNy on Apr 30, 2007 11:34 AM
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A woman cop once told me that they were losing the drug war...and they did not know what else to do. (besides random drug raids)
Well, I don't think they are supposed to win it.
Remember in the Godfather when the government (excuse me-the Mafia) were first planning to start bringing drugs to America? We will only sell it to the Black people, they said, they are animals anyway.
What if Black people stopped using drugs and instead organized and turned their despair and anger on the U.S. Government? Can't have THAT happen...here....use some more drugs.
And of course, now our young white kids are using hard drugs. You reap what you sow....
WHAT TO DO.
1. Stop the war. Spend the money at home.
2. Free college for everyone
3. People before profits. We need to change the military-industrial-system to a envioronment first- people first- system.
4. Legalize pot. If people want to spend their days high on pot..let them. Let them sit around and sing and laugh and eat.
There are worse things.
5. Eat the rich. What ever system you call it..we don't need rich people running it.
6. Everyone must grow orgainc vegetable gardens. Make it a law.
7. Jobs must be meaningful and necessary and for the common good. If they are not-make them stay home and tend the garden.
8. God is the Earth. If you conspire to pollute-then you should go to jail-for religious education.
9. Jails are for education, and then freedom. Unless the crinimal is violent-such as a child molester or a rapist. Robbery is usually due to poverty.
10. Poverty is the worse form of violence.
Poverty, War, Capitalism, Ignorance and Racism are the problems.
Solve those problems and we solve the drug problem.
Drugs are just a symptom.
Take back our country from the rich. This is NOT a Capitalistic system. This is a DEMOCRATIC system.
Remember?
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Posted by: jazznut on Apr 30, 2007 2:07 PM
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Posted by: gonzoskismet on Apr 30, 2007 6:07 PM
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Back in those days, I worked as a columnist in some of what they called 'underground newspapers.' And, a place on the list of the 'House of UnAmerican Activities' list. I got an all paid visit from the F b of I, told them to go do their mothers and rolled on in life.
I hung out in a Dallas park in those days called Lee Park. It wasn't unusual in those days to have the drunk rednecks come by at 2 o clock in the morning and fire random shots into the park. So, everybody bought guns and shot back. It was the American Way, shoot back.
Narcs were everywhere in those days and it wasn't surprising to find some of them floating in Turtle Creek, which flowed through Lee Park. THAT was the price you paid for narcing back then. I think it was during that period that I embarassed the Libertarian faith. There was no law enforcement in Lee Park except to keep you awake in the morning after you had been up all night tripping some REALLY good acid.
Now, because of our 'so called' government, narcing is a business and old ladies are the victims. I saw a lot of innocent people killed in Dallas in the sixties under the drug laws then.
You could get busted back then for throwing a wad of aluminum foil from a car. The drugs would be 'provided.' Everybody carried a gun because everybody knew how things were. But an old lady can't shoot a gun that well So she died and they planted. WHAT HAS CHANGED in the last 35 years?
Nothing.
Does this make you mad, America? Or do you suck on the teat of Homeland Security and don't care what is being done to you as long as no 'terrarists' threaten you with loving Allah or loving America? How many times have you seen bearded men with the Koran tightly clutched to their breasts in YOUR neighbor hood?
BOO!!!! America. Boo! I feel for you!
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Check the site November.org, I found countless stories about dishonest snitches when I was researching for my novel “SnitchCraft.” It really is an epidemic that needs to be addressed. Perhaps the visit to speak before Congress by the CI in the Johnston case will convince them to do something. I doubt it. The mounting fatalities in the “War on Terror” hasn’t triggered any action in DC. We should all be ashamed of the state of America! Edrea Davis
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