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Marijuana Gains Wonder Drug Status
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The study, from the University of California at San Francisco, found smoked marijuana to be effective at relieving the extreme pain of a debilitating condition known as peripheral neuropathy. It was a study of HIV patients, but a similar type of pain caused by damage to nerves afflicts people with many other illnesses including diabetes and multiple sclerosis. Neuropathic pain is notoriously resistant to treatment with conventional pain drugs. Even powerful and addictive narcotics like morphine and OxyContin often provide little relief. This study leaves no doubt that marijuana can safely ease this type of pain.
As all marijuana research in the United States must be, the new study was conducted with government-supplied marijuana of notoriously poor quality. So it probably underestimated the potential benefit.
This is all good news, but it should not be news at all. In the 40-odd years I have been studying the medicinal uses of marijuana, I have learned that the recorded history of this medicine goes back to ancient times and that in the 19th century it became a well-established Western medicine whose versatility and safety were unquestioned. From 1840 to 1900, American and European medical journals published over 100 papers on the therapeutic uses of marijuana, also known as cannabis.
Of course, our knowledge has advanced greatly over the years. Scientists have identified over 60 unique constituents in marijuana, called cannabinoids, and we have learned much about how they work. We have also learned that our own bodies produce similar chemicals, called endocannabinoids.
The mountain of accumulated anecdotal evidence that pointed the way to the present and other clinical studies also strongly suggests there are a number of other devastating disorders and symptoms for which marijuana has been used for centuries; they deserve the same kind of careful, methodologically sound research. While few such studies have so far been completed, all have lent weight to what medicine already knew but had largely forgotten or ignored: Marijuana is effective at relieving nausea and vomiting, spasticity, appetite loss, certain types of pain, and other debilitating symptoms. And it is extraordinarily safe -- safer than most medicines prescribed every day. If marijuana were a new discovery rather than a well-known substance carrying cultural and political baggage, it would be hailed as a wonder drug.
The pharmaceutical industry is scrambling to isolate cannabinoids and synthesize analogs, and to package them in non-smokable forms. In time, companies will almost certainly come up with products and delivery systems that are more useful and less expensive than herbal marijuana. However, the analogs they have produced so far are more expensive than herbal marijuana, and none has shown any improvement over the plant nature gave us to take orally or to smoke.
We live in an antismoking environment. But as a method of delivering certain medicinal compounds, smoking marijuana has some real advantages: The effect is almost instantaneous, allowing the patient, who after all is the best judge, to fine-tune his or her dose to get the needed relief without intoxication. Smoked marijuana has never been demonstrated to have serious pulmonary consequences, but in any case the technology to inhale these cannabinoids without smoking marijuana already exists as vaporizers that allow for smoke-free inhalation.
Hopefully the UCSF study will add to the pressure on the US government to rethink its irrational ban on the medicinal use of marijuana -- and its destructive attacks on patients and caregivers in states that have chosen to allow such use. Rather than admit they have been mistaken all these years, federal officials can cite "important new data" and start revamping outdated and destructive policies. The new Congress could go far in establishing its bona fides as both reasonable and compassionate by immediately moving on this issue.
Such legislation would bring much-needed relief to millions of Americans suffering from cancer, AIDS, multiple sclerosis, arthritis, and other debilitating illnesses.
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Posted by: bornxeyed on Mar 3, 2007 6:02 AM
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Less expensive? The only reason any patentable cannabinoid analog could ever be less expensive than herbal marijuana is if marijuana was illegal to grow. Oh wait, nevermind.
And what is with the new term "herbal" marijuana? It is as if Grinspoon thinks patented medicines are already a fait-accompli, and a good thing, and we must distinguish that nasty "herbal" variety.
Get a grip, Grinspoon. Patenting cannabinoid analogs will be the worst thing that could ever happen to the quest to free marijuana from government and corporate control. It will also lead to the introduction of what Big Pharma does best - production of adverse side effects.
Surely we, the people who have kept marijuana consciouseness alive in this world, deserve better for our "wonder" drug.
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Posted by: picket on Mar 3, 2007 6:22 AM
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"MJ is the largest cash crop in the US, more valuable than corn and wheat combined. ...conservative value of domestic production is estimated at 35.8 billion." Top 10 states ...Calif,Tenn, Kentucky, Hawaii, Wash, NC, Fla. Ala,West Va, and Ore."....from MJ Production in the US[2006] Jon Gettman http://www.drugscience.org/Archive/bcr2/exec.html
Can't blame THAT on "THE CHILDREN" !!!!!
Taxing and regulating Cannabis would pay for free medical care for all citizens in the US. Free the political prisoners including sick and elderly, languishing in Jail to make room for child molesters, murderers and rapists who get less time than non violent offenders.
In the meantime let humans suffering severe excruciating pain "EAT CAKE !!!" Thank you Uncle Sam.
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Posted by: brainvib on Mar 3, 2007 7:53 AM
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The big bucks are on the side of criminalization, that is where the $$$$$$ are. Us folks are stuck. God Bless capitalism.
I remember before the criminalization and an artist brother of a good friend would openly bring back a couple duffle bags from Mexico when he returned from his annual winter trip.
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Posted by: Saitia on Mar 3, 2007 8:02 AM
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While those who know may applaud the efforts of advocates like Grinspoon, he is still working on the "tip of the iceberg" so to speak; the higher (no pun intended) benefits of cannabis aren't physical, but mental and spiritual. Artists of every stripe have known this forever. The term "consciousness expanding" is not mere hyperbole when it comes to describing cannabis intoxication.
No, not all users of cannabis appreciate its higher benefits, and some abuse it like they would any other substance, but then that's their choice as users of a plant created by divine mind that can be so beneficial at so many levels. The irony is, we still must function in a society that is completely hypocritical and backward about all such "intoxicants," even as we struggle collectively and individually to find spiritual maturity any way we can.
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Posted by: garry minor on Mar 3, 2007 8:26 AM
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In Exodus 30:23, God instructs Moses to use 250 shekels of kaneh bosm in the oil used to anoint all Kings, Priests, and Prophets, for all generations, including Jesus! The title "Christ" means literally anointed. Kaneh is also listed as an incense tree in Song of Songs 4:14. The mistake was repeated in Isaiah 43:24, Jeremiah 6:20, and Ezekiel 27:19. There are 141 references to anointing or using the oil of joy, and 145 for burning incense in your Bible.
In 1937, Harry Anslinger, Hearst, Dupont, and more industry with lots to lose were successful in demonizing the most useful plant on Earth. Through propaganda they brainwashed the people. For the first time ever, ever, kaneh was made illegal throughout the world. Kaneh industrialization could have brought us out of the depression. Henry Ford built and fueled a car with it, the seed is the most nutritious thing you can eat, all paper, plastics, and most building products can be made with it, one acre of it equals four of timber and you harvest it every year, canvas is Dutch for kaneh, you have cannabinoid receptors in YOUR body, God put them there! Kaneh can not kill you, it is good for you, in the entire history of mankind not one death can be blamed on ingested Kaneh, alcohol and tobacco kill a million people a year! In 1938 we knew of over 25,000 products that could be made with kaneh. SO WHAT HAPPENED......... LOOK AROUND AT WHAT PETROLEUM, DEFORESTATION, AND LACK OF SPIRIT HAVE DONE TO YOUR WORLD.
The truth shall set you free!!!!!!!
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Posted by: SamFox on Mar 3, 2007 1:07 PM
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To those new to this issue:
http://www.norml.org/
http://christiansforcannabis.com/e107/news.php
http://www.jackherer.com/
http://americansforsafeaccess.org/
Also the DVD "Grass", narrated by Woody Harrelson.
These are just a few of the sites for activists & the history of cannabis & hemp, reasons for prohibition & much more accurate info regarding hemp & cannabis.
For a look at the lost, idiotic, very expensive useless war on drugs:
http://www.newswithviews.com/Brownlow/david12.htm
http://www.newswithviews.com/Turtel/joel25.htm
Synthetic Rx drugs & big $ pharma hipocracy:
http://www.medicalmarijuanaprocon.org/pop/deathreports.htm
http://www.newswithviews.com/Dean/carolyn24.htm
http://www.newswithviews.com/Dean/carolyn13.htm
http://www.newswithviews.com/Ellison/shane20.htm
Legalized theft by the cops:
http://www.newswithviews.com/Ryter/jon78.htm
A bit of humor & a look at the mentality & ignorance of many police agencies:
“Woman’s door broken down in police goof”
http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53105
Here’s another: “Police raid house for garden foliage”
http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53105
Hold on. There is good news from the Police, some of them anyway:
http://leap.cc/
There is a lot of info out there. I just show the tip of the iceberg. The USA is sinking because Capitol Hill sells us out to big $$ interests of all kinds, not just the syn-pharm industry & has rammed the USA into the "iceberg" of greedy special interest groups, UN Constitutional laws & government fascism.
SamFox
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Posted by: babs on Mar 3, 2007 1:10 PM
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Are all the trolls too stoned to type? Or is this one subject that they won't mess with.
The use of the "green" crosses over all economic and sociological lines and its prohibition is fear-based voodoo.
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Posted by: Lincoln fan on Mar 3, 2007 4:04 PM
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Bob Reichenbach,
Director, The Lincoln Initiative.
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Posted by: Alan8 on Mar 3, 2007 8:21 PM
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I won't vote for any politician that tries to demonize marijuana. Opposition to marijuana is a reliable marker for politicians with pro-corporate pro-fascist tendencies. These people are willing to permit the suffering caused by persecution of pot smokers, to protect the profits of the alcohol, tobacco, pharmaceutical, and textile corporations.
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Posted by: drblack on Mar 3, 2007 8:40 PM
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Anything that is over used can cause problems. The internet and video games or cell phones can cause some problems if used excessively. If it were illegal to use any of these then the results of overuse would increase a hundred fold.
Almost every thing you have been told about illegal drugs is a half-truth or an out right lie.
How many people know that while opioids,like heroin,codeine, are very addictive ,they are also non-toxic.
It blew my mind when I found out that this scientific truth has been around for over 100 years. I even found JAMA articles on the cardio-protective properties of opiates.
Maybe if people could freely study drugs they could solve the problems of overuse.
One thing is for sure . Marijuana is Not harmful and is safer than drinking lots of sugary soda. Marijuana protects against Alzheimers and does NOT cause lung cancer. It actually turns off cancerous cells in the lungs according to recent studies.
Only YOU can stop the madness.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Mar 3, 2007 10:12 PM
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However, the main players, Pfizer and Merck, have made billions by keeping these patented drugs on the market (and they park the profits in offshore tax havens - that's the pharma mafia for you - and, bonus! It's mostly all legal). A more complete discussion of the risks can be found at medicationsense.com
Now, let's consider the cannabinoids (the active agent in cannabis sativa). There is plenty of evidence that cannabinoids are effective against pain; for example nationalpainfoundation.org. This has been supported by formal studies at places like UCSF (1997).
What patients would like is a standardized preparation of known strength that is safelly and legally available. What's worth noticing, however, is how the DEA and state narcotics enforcement teams (NETs) actively target the most legitimate providers of medical marijuana - they aren't going after the back alley dealers, but rather they are going after the ones who are trying to be open and legal - and the DEA is also still refusing to reconsider the classification of Cannabis Sativa as a 'highly dangerous Schedule I drug'.
Meanwhile, pharmaceutical companies and doctors continue to feed amphetamines (Ritalin, Adderall, Desoxyn, etc.) to kids under the guise of 'treating attention deficit disorder' - kids just won't pay attention unless they get their speed, apparently - and who knows how much of that stuff is being used by US soldiers in Iraq, as well. This is all perfectly legal.
It's obvious that the real reasons for treating cannabis in this manner have absolutely nothing to do with the health effects of the plant, and the real reason probably has far more to do with the domestic political ideology of the DEA and the state and local drug police (also, see how much these groups make off of asset forfeiture, and then look into how much of that is cannabis related - as in the case of the pharmaceutical patents, it's all about the money).
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Posted by: cashelboylo on Mar 3, 2007 10:20 PM
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This process introduces petro-chemicals into the cannabinoids, changing their properties and effects.
Much recent government research into cannabis has used hydoponic plants and has come up with "reefer madness" type results.
Of course, the problems found by the researchers are not caused by cannabinoids, but by the petro-chemicals. This is not mentioned in their published material.
Similarly, we are almost never told that the main habit-forming ingredient in heroin is not opium but acetylene (diacetyl-morphine.)
Acetylene is also the habit-former in some painkillers (acetylsalysilic acid.) Petroleum also features in addictions such as cocaine, crack, ice, ecstasy, and, of course, petrol sniffing.
Petroleum is the most addictive chemical on this planet.
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Posted by: cinattra on Mar 4, 2007 9:52 AM
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I'm beginning to see all the connections and why possibly the great ruse continues today.
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Posted by: YinRising on Mar 4, 2007 11:40 AM
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Synthetic hydroponic nutrients can end up stored in the plant if they are not rinsed out at the end of the growing cycle.
Sometimes they can't even be rinsed out, as in the case of Miracle Grow.
Either way, the patient ends up smoking or ingesting fertilizer.
Ever notice how a lit bowl will sometimes sparkle and sizzle?
That's the excess magnesium from the fertilizer that didn't get flushed out.
Clean cannabis will burn to a light grey ash.
If yours burns to a black coal, you might have a problem with over/improper fertilization.
Organic, soil grown is the best, but it even needs to be flushed before harvesting or the buds will have too much carbon content.
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Posted by: YinRising on Mar 4, 2007 12:07 PM
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"Rather than admit they have been mistaken all these years, federal officials can cite "important new data" and start revamping outdated and destructive policies"
Wow, is the Dr. helping out with the reaoning for the war in Iraq too? I can hear him use this sentament to say something like,
"Rather than admit that they have lied about the Weopons of Mass Destruction in order to start an illegal war, federal officials can cite "the need to spread democracy" and start to revamp the War on Terror."
If Dr. Grinspoon honestly believes the government was just "mistaken" all these years, then he is naive and gullible, just like the people who believed we were going to Iraq for WMD's.
The government wasn't "mistaken" when it came to cannabis prohibition. They straight up LIED in order to increase corporate profits at the expense of puplic and planetary health.
What happens to all the people in jail who were denied a medical defence in court, when the Government starts authorizing BigPharma to sell cannabis based meds?
Oops, we were "mistaken" just doesn't seem cover the damage that prohibition has caused.
It's not that I seek revenge for those people, simply JUSTICE!
End Prohibition Now.
Live Fee or Die!
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Posted by: mjinterest on Mar 5, 2007 5:10 PM
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I live in a state where I can get Marinol, which my neurolgist has prescribed, but it is, frankly, crap. The prescription is for three caps daily. To be honest, it takes 6 to 8 capsules to even feel "high". What a joke. My neurologist strongly rcommends weed in its natve form, but can't legally recommend it or prescribe it.
Every 6 or 8 months I score an eighth or so and am able to carry on, but it's really hard. I'm scared shitless that the cops are going to bust me.
BTW. don't even think of growing weed hydroponically. Go with organic aeroponics. I'm too scared to grow pot at home, but aeroponics is the way to go.
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Posted by: richholland on Mar 7, 2007 6:57 AM
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Especially the fact some ill people get the use of marihuana refunded by the health insurance proves that those europeans are un american, not patriotic.
Besides that the dutch had windmills already in 1650
But seriously Marihuan has also risks if you combine it with alcohol9Cannabis psychose)
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Posted by: bornxeyed on Mar 3, 2007 6:02 AM
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Less expensive? The only reason any patentable cannabinoid analog could ever be less expensive than herbal marijuana is if marijuana was illegal to grow. Oh wait, nevermind.
And what is with the new term "herbal" marijuana? It is as if Grinspoon thinks patented medicines are already a fait-accompli, and a good thing, and we must distinguish that nasty "herbal" variety.
Get a grip, Grinspoon. Patenting cannabinoid analogs will be the worst thing that could ever happen to the quest to free marijuana from government and corporate control. It will also lead to the introduction of what Big Pharma does best - production of adverse side effects.
Surely we, the people who have kept marijuana consciouseness alive in this world, deserve better for our "wonder" drug.
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Posted by: picket on Mar 3, 2007 6:22 AM
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"MJ is the largest cash crop in the US, more valuable than corn and wheat combined. ...conservative value of domestic production is estimated at 35.8 billion." Top 10 states ...Calif,Tenn, Kentucky, Hawaii, Wash, NC, Fla. Ala,West Va, and Ore."....from MJ Production in the US[2006] Jon Gettman http://www.drugscience.org/Archive/bcr2/exec.html
Can't blame THAT on "THE CHILDREN" !!!!!
Taxing and regulating Cannabis would pay for free medical care for all citizens in the US. Free the political prisoners including sick and elderly, languishing in Jail to make room for child molesters, murderers and rapists who get less time than non violent offenders.
In the meantime let humans suffering severe excruciating pain "EAT CAKE !!!" Thank you Uncle Sam.
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» HOMEGROWN!
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The big bucks are on the side of criminalization, that is where the $$$$$$ are. Us folks are stuck. God Bless capitalism.
I remember before the criminalization and an artist brother of a good friend would openly bring back a couple duffle bags from Mexico when he returned from his annual winter trip.
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Posted by: Saitia on Mar 3, 2007 8:02 AM
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While those who know may applaud the efforts of advocates like Grinspoon, he is still working on the "tip of the iceberg" so to speak; the higher (no pun intended) benefits of cannabis aren't physical, but mental and spiritual. Artists of every stripe have known this forever. The term "consciousness expanding" is not mere hyperbole when it comes to describing cannabis intoxication.
No, not all users of cannabis appreciate its higher benefits, and some abuse it like they would any other substance, but then that's their choice as users of a plant created by divine mind that can be so beneficial at so many levels. The irony is, we still must function in a society that is completely hypocritical and backward about all such "intoxicants," even as we struggle collectively and individually to find spiritual maturity any way we can.
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» "..simply too conditioned by fear to ever come to appreciate what it really does for human beings.."
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Posted by: garry minor on Mar 3, 2007 8:26 AM
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In Exodus 30:23, God instructs Moses to use 250 shekels of kaneh bosm in the oil used to anoint all Kings, Priests, and Prophets, for all generations, including Jesus! The title "Christ" means literally anointed. Kaneh is also listed as an incense tree in Song of Songs 4:14. The mistake was repeated in Isaiah 43:24, Jeremiah 6:20, and Ezekiel 27:19. There are 141 references to anointing or using the oil of joy, and 145 for burning incense in your Bible.
In 1937, Harry Anslinger, Hearst, Dupont, and more industry with lots to lose were successful in demonizing the most useful plant on Earth. Through propaganda they brainwashed the people. For the first time ever, ever, kaneh was made illegal throughout the world. Kaneh industrialization could have brought us out of the depression. Henry Ford built and fueled a car with it, the seed is the most nutritious thing you can eat, all paper, plastics, and most building products can be made with it, one acre of it equals four of timber and you harvest it every year, canvas is Dutch for kaneh, you have cannabinoid receptors in YOUR body, God put them there! Kaneh can not kill you, it is good for you, in the entire history of mankind not one death can be blamed on ingested Kaneh, alcohol and tobacco kill a million people a year! In 1938 we knew of over 25,000 products that could be made with kaneh. SO WHAT HAPPENED......... LOOK AROUND AT WHAT PETROLEUM, DEFORESTATION, AND LACK OF SPIRIT HAVE DONE TO YOUR WORLD.
The truth shall set you free!!!!!!!
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» Enlightening
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» compromising w/ "the enemy" will not win any battles
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Posted by: SamFox on Mar 3, 2007 1:07 PM
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To those new to this issue:
http://www.norml.org/
http://christiansforcannabis.com/e107/news.php
http://www.jackherer.com/
http://americansforsafeaccess.org/
Also the DVD "Grass", narrated by Woody Harrelson.
These are just a few of the sites for activists & the history of cannabis & hemp, reasons for prohibition & much more accurate info regarding hemp & cannabis.
For a look at the lost, idiotic, very expensive useless war on drugs:
http://www.newswithviews.com/Brownlow/david12.htm
http://www.newswithviews.com/Turtel/joel25.htm
Synthetic Rx drugs & big $ pharma hipocracy:
http://www.medicalmarijuanaprocon.org/pop/deathreports.htm
http://www.newswithviews.com/Dean/carolyn24.htm
http://www.newswithviews.com/Dean/carolyn13.htm
http://www.newswithviews.com/Ellison/shane20.htm
Legalized theft by the cops:
http://www.newswithviews.com/Ryter/jon78.htm
A bit of humor & a look at the mentality & ignorance of many police agencies:
“Woman’s door broken down in police goof”
http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53105
Here’s another: “Police raid house for garden foliage”
http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53105
Hold on. There is good news from the Police, some of them anyway:
http://leap.cc/
There is a lot of info out there. I just show the tip of the iceberg. The USA is sinking because Capitol Hill sells us out to big $$ interests of all kinds, not just the syn-pharm industry & has rammed the USA into the "iceberg" of greedy special interest groups, UN Constitutional laws & government fascism.
SamFox
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Posted by: babs on Mar 3, 2007 1:10 PM
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Are all the trolls too stoned to type? Or is this one subject that they won't mess with.
The use of the "green" crosses over all economic and sociological lines and its prohibition is fear-based voodoo.
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Posted by: Lincoln fan on Mar 3, 2007 4:04 PM
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Bob Reichenbach,
Director, The Lincoln Initiative.
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Posted by: Alan8 on Mar 3, 2007 8:21 PM
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I won't vote for any politician that tries to demonize marijuana. Opposition to marijuana is a reliable marker for politicians with pro-corporate pro-fascist tendencies. These people are willing to permit the suffering caused by persecution of pot smokers, to protect the profits of the alcohol, tobacco, pharmaceutical, and textile corporations.
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Posted by: drblack on Mar 3, 2007 8:40 PM
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Anything that is over used can cause problems. The internet and video games or cell phones can cause some problems if used excessively. If it were illegal to use any of these then the results of overuse would increase a hundred fold.
Almost every thing you have been told about illegal drugs is a half-truth or an out right lie.
How many people know that while opioids,like heroin,codeine, are very addictive ,they are also non-toxic.
It blew my mind when I found out that this scientific truth has been around for over 100 years. I even found JAMA articles on the cardio-protective properties of opiates.
Maybe if people could freely study drugs they could solve the problems of overuse.
One thing is for sure . Marijuana is Not harmful and is safer than drinking lots of sugary soda. Marijuana protects against Alzheimers and does NOT cause lung cancer. It actually turns off cancerous cells in the lungs according to recent studies.
Only YOU can stop the madness.
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Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Mar 3, 2007 10:12 PM
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However, the main players, Pfizer and Merck, have made billions by keeping these patented drugs on the market (and they park the profits in offshore tax havens - that's the pharma mafia for you - and, bonus! It's mostly all legal). A more complete discussion of the risks can be found at medicationsense.com
Now, let's consider the cannabinoids (the active agent in cannabis sativa). There is plenty of evidence that cannabinoids are effective against pain; for example nationalpainfoundation.org. This has been supported by formal studies at places like UCSF (1997).
What patients would like is a standardized preparation of known strength that is safelly and legally available. What's worth noticing, however, is how the DEA and state narcotics enforcement teams (NETs) actively target the most legitimate providers of medical marijuana - they aren't going after the back alley dealers, but rather they are going after the ones who are trying to be open and legal - and the DEA is also still refusing to reconsider the classification of Cannabis Sativa as a 'highly dangerous Schedule I drug'.
Meanwhile, pharmaceutical companies and doctors continue to feed amphetamines (Ritalin, Adderall, Desoxyn, etc.) to kids under the guise of 'treating attention deficit disorder' - kids just won't pay attention unless they get their speed, apparently - and who knows how much of that stuff is being used by US soldiers in Iraq, as well. This is all perfectly legal.
It's obvious that the real reasons for treating cannabis in this manner have absolutely nothing to do with the health effects of the plant, and the real reason probably has far more to do with the domestic political ideology of the DEA and the state and local drug police (also, see how much these groups make off of asset forfeiture, and then look into how much of that is cannabis related - as in the case of the pharmaceutical patents, it's all about the money).
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Posted by: cashelboylo on Mar 3, 2007 10:20 PM
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This process introduces petro-chemicals into the cannabinoids, changing their properties and effects.
Much recent government research into cannabis has used hydoponic plants and has come up with "reefer madness" type results.
Of course, the problems found by the researchers are not caused by cannabinoids, but by the petro-chemicals. This is not mentioned in their published material.
Similarly, we are almost never told that the main habit-forming ingredient in heroin is not opium but acetylene (diacetyl-morphine.)
Acetylene is also the habit-former in some painkillers (acetylsalysilic acid.) Petroleum also features in addictions such as cocaine, crack, ice, ecstasy, and, of course, petrol sniffing.
Petroleum is the most addictive chemical on this planet.
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I'm beginning to see all the connections and why possibly the great ruse continues today.
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Synthetic hydroponic nutrients can end up stored in the plant if they are not rinsed out at the end of the growing cycle.
Sometimes they can't even be rinsed out, as in the case of Miracle Grow.
Either way, the patient ends up smoking or ingesting fertilizer.
Ever notice how a lit bowl will sometimes sparkle and sizzle?
That's the excess magnesium from the fertilizer that didn't get flushed out.
Clean cannabis will burn to a light grey ash.
If yours burns to a black coal, you might have a problem with over/improper fertilization.
Organic, soil grown is the best, but it even needs to be flushed before harvesting or the buds will have too much carbon content.
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"Rather than admit they have been mistaken all these years, federal officials can cite "important new data" and start revamping outdated and destructive policies"
Wow, is the Dr. helping out with the reaoning for the war in Iraq too? I can hear him use this sentament to say something like,
"Rather than admit that they have lied about the Weopons of Mass Destruction in order to start an illegal war, federal officials can cite "the need to spread democracy" and start to revamp the War on Terror."
If Dr. Grinspoon honestly believes the government was just "mistaken" all these years, then he is naive and gullible, just like the people who believed we were going to Iraq for WMD's.
The government wasn't "mistaken" when it came to cannabis prohibition. They straight up LIED in order to increase corporate profits at the expense of puplic and planetary health.
What happens to all the people in jail who were denied a medical defence in court, when the Government starts authorizing BigPharma to sell cannabis based meds?
Oops, we were "mistaken" just doesn't seem cover the damage that prohibition has caused.
It's not that I seek revenge for those people, simply JUSTICE!
End Prohibition Now.
Live Fee or Die!
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I live in a state where I can get Marinol, which my neurolgist has prescribed, but it is, frankly, crap. The prescription is for three caps daily. To be honest, it takes 6 to 8 capsules to even feel "high". What a joke. My neurologist strongly rcommends weed in its natve form, but can't legally recommend it or prescribe it.
Every 6 or 8 months I score an eighth or so and am able to carry on, but it's really hard. I'm scared shitless that the cops are going to bust me.
BTW. don't even think of growing weed hydroponically. Go with organic aeroponics. I'm too scared to grow pot at home, but aeroponics is the way to go.
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Posted by: richholland on Mar 7, 2007 6:57 AM
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Especially the fact some ill people get the use of marihuana refunded by the health insurance proves that those europeans are un american, not patriotic.
Besides that the dutch had windmills already in 1650
But seriously Marihuan has also risks if you combine it with alcohol9Cannabis psychose)
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NYC Police Accused of 'Anal Assault' Over Marijuana Use
Do Employers Really Need to Give Drug Tests for Pot?
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