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Dutch Conservatives Crack Down on Coffee Shops
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But things aren't always what they seem. In recent years the Netherlands, like many countries around the world, has witnessed a rise in conservative power and, with that, a corresponding tightening of its once-famous looseness. The legendary Dutch credo "anything goes" is increasingly becoming a thing of the past, and nowhere is this more apparent than in its coffee shops.
The signs began to appear back in 2004, when the Dutch government consented to ban smoking in public -- a measure fiercely resisted by coffee shops fearing they'd take the biggest hit. The government quickly U-turned, bowing to pressure from the hotel and catering industry, and lifted the ban "indefinitely," giving the industry time to exhale. Marijuana retailers, always considered a separate sector, were quickly made exempt, and within days it was back to lighting up as usual.
While the uproar settled and coffee shops seemingly avoided extinction, their existence continues to be silently and systematically stubbed out. Those who flock to the Netherlands seeking its unique tourist niche may not know it, but new coffee shop licenses are rarely issued, and strict regulations have further curbed existing numbers. Closed shops go unreplaced, and the overall number continues to dwindle, dropping from 1,500 nationwide to roughly 737 today. Amsterdam, once the Wild West of the European drug trade, has 250 shops where it once had 800.
"You have to think three times about everything you do. It's getting worse every year," says Ferry Hansen, owner of Get A Life coffee shop in Amsterdam. Hansen, who has been in the business for 14 years, has seen government policies tighten as once vague laws, set in place for years, have become rigorously enforced. "The government is trying to control more and more. If you follow the law, they can't say anything, but in the long run, they'll probably get what they want."
Much of the push towards more stringent control can be attributed to the Christian Democrats (CDA), the most powerful party in the Dutch coalition government, which went on the offensive as soon as it won elections in 2002. Headed by Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende, a devout Christian who blamed growing juvenile drug use on the cannabis industry -- even though the minimum legal age to enter a coffee shop is 18 -- the CDA immediately promoted a "zero option" on tolerance. "This is not a battle we're going to win overnight," Marcel Maer, a CDA spokesman told Britain's Sunday Times just days after the election. "But we will chip away at the coffee shops, greatly reducing their number over the next two years until hopefully we can get rid of them altogether."
Many of the regulations the government now enforces were actually established in 1996 in an effort to standardize the industry, which had developed from being reasonably discreet in the late 1970s to unrestrained in the late 1980s. It was then, at the height of ecstasy consumption, that a number of coffee shops peddled both hard and soft drugs, bucking the division of markets they purported to support. Bowing to international pressure, the Netherlands began restricting coffee shop numbers, working in tandem with the Bond van Cannabis Detaillisten, a union of organized coffee shop owners who agreed -- much to their commercial advantage -- that their numbers should be halved and remaining licenses be made nontransferable.
But it wasn't until the CDA tried to reign in coffee shops that these laws were heavily enforced. They include making it illegal to label lighters, rolling papers or display cannabis leaves -- all considered active advertising, limiting businesses to 500 grams of inventory, capping customer purchases to 5 grams per day, and banning businesses within 500 meters of a school. So if a new school pops up, the coffee shop can be closed without warning.
Additionally, in 2003 the BIBOB (an Act for the Promotion of Integrity Evaluations by Public Government) laws were introduced, targeting the entire service industry (including prostitutes) to prevent organized crime from getting involved. A special task force was created to enforce the laws by making random raids on coffee shops, "usually busting in like a bunch of cowboys," notes Hansen, to search staff and customers, and verify all of the required paperwork -- license, fire inspection records, chamber of commerce registration, rental contract, photocopied staff identification, and more. "If one side of this ID isn't photocopied, that's a fine and you're closed for a week," says Hansen, fingering an ID while flipping through a white folder as thick a telephone directory. "Make a second mistake, you're closed for two weeks. Make a third mistake, and you're closed permanently."
But while some owners balk at the government muscling in, others like Henry Dekker, owner of Republiek, Siberie and de Supermarkt coffee shops in Amsterdam, thinks regulations have formalized the market positively. "The government wants to clean it up so only the best businesses stay. This is a competitive market -- so if you're not good, no business," he says, rolling a hash joint as he speaks.
Dekker has been in the business for 20 years and believes owners influence policy more than politicians: By earning a record of professional behavior, they actually increase their bargaining rights. In Dekker's case, this has panned out. He's opening a new coffee shop in neighboring Mijdrecht, a conservative community that advertised for one to help settle their problems with drug trafficking on the street. "We're normalizing the trade, selling herbs just like we did in the Golden Age," says Dekker. "We're a normal business with a quality product, and we've been acknowledged for doing our job and doing it well."
But job appreciation is not something doled out equally. "I'm more negative," says another coffee shop owner, who wishes to remain anonymous and whose business has been in the family since the early 1980s. "It's a lot more aggressive. For a few weeks after a raid, we're left shocked and intimidated. We're just doing our job, but everything is sealed off, we're treated like criminals and told to put our arms up. We follow the rules, there's no reason to come in this way," the owner says. "At times I feel like quitting, so I won't have to be a part of this ridiculousness. Whether you're a smoker or not, this is a relaxing place and 60 percent of what we sell isn't weed -- it's bread or sandwiches. We shouldn't be treated this way."
No matter how responsible they are, coffee shop owners are marginalized because their industry has never gained full legal status. While liberal Dutch drug policy makes a distinction between marijuana and hard drugs (like heroin and cocaine), all drugs are considered illegal -- even though, paradoxically, using them is not. As a result, inconsistent law forbids owners from bringing marijuana through the back door -- they could be arrested buying their inventory, even though they are allowed to sell it through the front door.
"If you get into trouble, the bottom line is, it's a prohibited, unregulated product associated with the drug industry," says Kristie Szalanski, a staff member at Amsterdam's Cannabis College, a nonprofit foundation devoted to educating the public on weed. She notes that pubs where alcohol is sold are never raided. "This means that technically, coffee shop owners are criminals." An oversight the government makes, of course, when collecting taxes.
Due to this paradox, over the last few years the CDA itself has taken a confusing position on weed legislation. In 2003, the government legalized medical marijuana sold at pharmacies, yet backtracked two years later when the system fell into financial chaos -- mostly because patients preferred buying their stash at coffee shops. Then in 2004, Justice Minister Piet Hein Donner urged the government to ban local marijuana, claiming THC levels were too potent. Donner further suggested banning coffee shops from serving foreigners -- a move tantamount to saying only Brits can enter British pubs -- which quickly provoked international outrage. The politician continued taking a hard line on soft drugs, attempting to bring Dutch drug policy in line with the European Union, until he resigned a few weeks ago due to a damning report that pointed to his responsibility in the deaths of 11 refugees in a fire while being detained at Schiphol Airport.
While Donner may no longer be on the scene, the Dutch government's desire to subdue coffee shops has much to do with appeasing folks like Jacques Chirac, whose country, according to a survey by the French Observatory of Drugs and Drug Use, boasts the largest number of teenage cannabis consumers in Europe. Sweden, too, has taken the hard line, and of course there's America, which seeks to impose prohibition on the rest of the world through its war on drugs. But maybe it should start at home. According to the 2001 National Household Survey on Drug Abuse, 36.9 percent of Americans have tried cannabis versus 17 percent in the Netherlands.
For the foreseeable future, coffee shops will continue to exist, but are likely to keep diminishing in number. "The way Dutch policy works, it would take at least 60 years or more before they disappeared," jokes Dekker. Most owners would agree it's a slow-moving boat that would face an arduous fight with popular sentiment. "In Holland, the population knows the system's working," he says. Still, for now, the CDA, which chose not to respond to this reporter's questions, keeps pushing for lower numbers. "With every election it's an issue. You don't know how politicians are going to react," cautions Hansen. With upcoming Dutch elections in November, the next majority party, however conservative, might choose to take a softer line. Or things could change overnight -- much as they did in the United States when the Patriot Act was passed curtailing free speech, a right that had been fought for and claimed for over two centuries.
"I don't know how long [my shop] will exist," says Hansen. "I could be in business for five years or 25 years. But I really don't know for sure."
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Our pot laws are changing and we are more liberal about the use of marijuana.
In fact I belong to the Legalise Cannabis Alliance, which is a political party here.
We have dismissed the Gateway theory, as we know drugs like nicotine, caffeine and alcohol, open the gate to drug culture.
I do not take any of these 3 drugs, above. as I do not enjoy them, plus you can die.
Legalisation takes it out of the hands of the criminal market.
or Decriminalisation as in Holland, the choice is yours.
I believe that Amendment 44 legalizing marijuana in Colorado. Is a strong possibility.
That would be so nice.
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It sounds corny, but you can walk along the Warmoesstraat or Dam Square and just feel the freedom and tolerance -- such a contrast to the US. And I think the liberal Dutch laws on drugs are a big part of this, even if one doesn't use drugs oneself.
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Then I moved to Amsterdam 6 years ago and for some strange reason I stopped smoking altogether. I did frequent a few coffee shops in the beginning but now I go there only when I have friends visiting from the States (they all want to go to a coffee shop of course).
The Dutch government knows full well that the coffee shops and the Red Light district (where prostitution is legal) bring in a lot of money into Amsterdam by way of the huge number of young people from the US, Canada and the rest of Europe who invade the city every spring and summer (it's clear most of them enjoy the care-free atmosphere of the place). And it's not just young people. A sizable number of middle-aged tourists come here as well in part because they were curious about Amsterdam's liberal reputation. And most Amsterdammers take great pride in that even if they don't smoke pot :))
So my guess is that, in spite of the pressure from the stiff-necked EU bureaucrats, the coffee shops are here to stay: when the PvdA (the Labour Party) regains control of the government (as they will sooner or later), the regulations will be relaxed again...
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The murder of Theo Van Gogh, the high murder rate from drug dealing, the sex trafficking. People have had enough and the government is cracking down.
All that aside, my favourite part of Dutch life is their hard working and clever economy. That will remain and that is the thing that is worth something. These guys are the kings and queens of design and corporate governance. That is more interesting than some hairy hippies smoking hash.
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Growing industrial hemp can create four (4) times the amount of fibers that wood can, and requires only a fraction of the chemicals to process into paper.
This would be a very good thing for the environment, but "bad" for the wood and chemical industries.
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How would you feel when you hear your Congressman call a suffering human that finds relief with Cannabis a "POT HEAD"?
Last week the Main Stream Media reported on the fact that Cannabis [THC] [helps stop the formation of amyloid plaque the primary cause of Alzheimers Disease..... Today the NYT has an article regarding the fact that some of the more expensive synthetic anti-psychotic drugs that have been prescribed to keep Alzheimer patients calm are no better than a placebo. Big Pharma made billions off that deception.
Do the family members of ill and dying citizens of the Netherlands face severe prosecution and jailing for bringing Cannabis to their loved ones? Members of Congress put the love of power and money over the health and welfare of their constituents.
Regulation and taxation will help stop underage abuse just ask LEAP [Law Enforcement Against Prohibition]
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Personally I have never used any drugs, and probably never will. And don't even approve the use of it. Even though indeed, it's easy to get here.
If you write about Holland and want some comparisons with the USA, there's lots more. No, my country is not perfect. There're assholes here like everywhere, also in politics.
But Holland is in so many ways so much less retarded than the USA, that socalled 'greatest nation in the world'.
Yippee-a-yay, look in the mirror first, next time.
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Posted by: vangogh69 on Oct 12, 2006 4:06 PM
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The only reason tobacco is legal and pot illegal is because years ago, the tobacco lobby was successful in convincing the whores in washington that it was more profitable for everyone involved if they went with tobacco. The so-called "war on drugs" has had nothing but casualities (and on a unrelated note) and how odd that the US helped make, with its invasion of Afghanistan, Afghanistan one of the worlds top drug producers (opium/poppy/heroin). (Also note that the US has troops to "help fight the war on drugs" in Colombia, one of the leaders in cocaine export.)
This article is okay, but a better one would be the racism in the netherlands and how it has, since the declared "war on terror" become more prevalent.
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Amsterdam is to Holland what San Francisco used to be to the United States; islands of tolerance and enlightenment in conservative protestant countries more or less obsessed with commerce, and terrified of human sexuality and human possibilities outside New Testament definitions.
I spent a short, luxurious time in Amsterdam, and thirty years in San Francisco.
The human pendulum swings from love and tolerance to fear and loathing. From Buddha to John Calvin.
I am grateful I lived in a time of light, in two cities of light. I sit by the fire and light a candle as darkness falls again, knowing the morning will come some day.
I have lived the circle, it is unbroken.
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Posted by: indy675 on Oct 13, 2006 2:23 PM
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Well, guess we will all just have to be outlaws again.
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The difference is that unlike in Holland, our places do not sell
the stuff, although they typically sell paraphenalia. You need to bring your own in with you (not hard to find), otherwise the police would begin charging such places. There was one cafe that tried pushing the envelope and was openly selling several varieties of cannabis retail. It actually lasted several months unmolested until the media got hold of the story and the police/city became too embarrassed to allow continuation. The owners were charged and recently were sentenced.
The other tolerated aspect is compassion clubs that sell to patients unmolested. Also, a small number of Canadians have been granted official status as legitimate licensed users of medical marijuana and are legally allowed to grow their own (like in Calif.?).
As our national anthem goes: "The True North Strong and Free!"
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Our pot laws are changing and we are more liberal about the use of marijuana.
In fact I belong to the Legalise Cannabis Alliance, which is a political party here.
We have dismissed the Gateway theory, as we know drugs like nicotine, caffeine and alcohol, open the gate to drug culture.
I do not take any of these 3 drugs, above. as I do not enjoy them, plus you can die.
Legalisation takes it out of the hands of the criminal market.
or Decriminalisation as in Holland, the choice is yours.
I believe that Amendment 44 legalizing marijuana in Colorado. Is a strong possibility.
That would be so nice.
Thank you.
Winston Matthews LCA UK
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It sounds corny, but you can walk along the Warmoesstraat or Dam Square and just feel the freedom and tolerance -- such a contrast to the US. And I think the liberal Dutch laws on drugs are a big part of this, even if one doesn't use drugs oneself.
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Then I moved to Amsterdam 6 years ago and for some strange reason I stopped smoking altogether. I did frequent a few coffee shops in the beginning but now I go there only when I have friends visiting from the States (they all want to go to a coffee shop of course).
The Dutch government knows full well that the coffee shops and the Red Light district (where prostitution is legal) bring in a lot of money into Amsterdam by way of the huge number of young people from the US, Canada and the rest of Europe who invade the city every spring and summer (it's clear most of them enjoy the care-free atmosphere of the place). And it's not just young people. A sizable number of middle-aged tourists come here as well in part because they were curious about Amsterdam's liberal reputation. And most Amsterdammers take great pride in that even if they don't smoke pot :))
So my guess is that, in spite of the pressure from the stiff-necked EU bureaucrats, the coffee shops are here to stay: when the PvdA (the Labour Party) regains control of the government (as they will sooner or later), the regulations will be relaxed again...
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The murder of Theo Van Gogh, the high murder rate from drug dealing, the sex trafficking. People have had enough and the government is cracking down.
All that aside, my favourite part of Dutch life is their hard working and clever economy. That will remain and that is the thing that is worth something. These guys are the kings and queens of design and corporate governance. That is more interesting than some hairy hippies smoking hash.
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Growing industrial hemp can create four (4) times the amount of fibers that wood can, and requires only a fraction of the chemicals to process into paper.
This would be a very good thing for the environment, but "bad" for the wood and chemical industries.
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How would you feel when you hear your Congressman call a suffering human that finds relief with Cannabis a "POT HEAD"?
Last week the Main Stream Media reported on the fact that Cannabis [THC] [helps stop the formation of amyloid plaque the primary cause of Alzheimers Disease..... Today the NYT has an article regarding the fact that some of the more expensive synthetic anti-psychotic drugs that have been prescribed to keep Alzheimer patients calm are no better than a placebo. Big Pharma made billions off that deception.
Do the family members of ill and dying citizens of the Netherlands face severe prosecution and jailing for bringing Cannabis to their loved ones? Members of Congress put the love of power and money over the health and welfare of their constituents.
Regulation and taxation will help stop underage abuse just ask LEAP [Law Enforcement Against Prohibition]
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Posted by: Wish on Oct 12, 2006 10:23 AM
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Personally I have never used any drugs, and probably never will. And don't even approve the use of it. Even though indeed, it's easy to get here.
If you write about Holland and want some comparisons with the USA, there's lots more. No, my country is not perfect. There're assholes here like everywhere, also in politics.
But Holland is in so many ways so much less retarded than the USA, that socalled 'greatest nation in the world'.
Yippee-a-yay, look in the mirror first, next time.
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» really?
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» and thats the problem with Americans
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Posted by: vangogh69 on Oct 12, 2006 4:06 PM
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The only reason tobacco is legal and pot illegal is because years ago, the tobacco lobby was successful in convincing the whores in washington that it was more profitable for everyone involved if they went with tobacco. The so-called "war on drugs" has had nothing but casualities (and on a unrelated note) and how odd that the US helped make, with its invasion of Afghanistan, Afghanistan one of the worlds top drug producers (opium/poppy/heroin). (Also note that the US has troops to "help fight the war on drugs" in Colombia, one of the leaders in cocaine export.)
This article is okay, but a better one would be the racism in the netherlands and how it has, since the declared "war on terror" become more prevalent.
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» RE: Say what you will about the Dutch
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Posted by: Sparks56 on Oct 13, 2006 2:08 AM
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Amsterdam is to Holland what San Francisco used to be to the United States; islands of tolerance and enlightenment in conservative protestant countries more or less obsessed with commerce, and terrified of human sexuality and human possibilities outside New Testament definitions.
I spent a short, luxurious time in Amsterdam, and thirty years in San Francisco.
The human pendulum swings from love and tolerance to fear and loathing. From Buddha to John Calvin.
I am grateful I lived in a time of light, in two cities of light. I sit by the fire and light a candle as darkness falls again, knowing the morning will come some day.
I have lived the circle, it is unbroken.
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» Thank you raverill...
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Posted by: indy675 on Oct 13, 2006 2:23 PM
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Well, guess we will all just have to be outlaws again.
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Posted by: Bobb9999 on Oct 13, 2006 11:14 PM
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The difference is that unlike in Holland, our places do not sell
the stuff, although they typically sell paraphenalia. You need to bring your own in with you (not hard to find), otherwise the police would begin charging such places. There was one cafe that tried pushing the envelope and was openly selling several varieties of cannabis retail. It actually lasted several months unmolested until the media got hold of the story and the police/city became too embarrassed to allow continuation. The owners were charged and recently were sentenced.
The other tolerated aspect is compassion clubs that sell to patients unmolested. Also, a small number of Canadians have been granted official status as legitimate licensed users of medical marijuana and are legally allowed to grow their own (like in Calif.?).
As our national anthem goes: "The True North Strong and Free!"
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» drug reporter sucks
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