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'War on Drugs:' A Foul Tragedy
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The cruelty of the Sentencing Reform Act of 1984 is stark indeed, as are the sentencing guidelines that impose mandatory minimum sentences for minor drug possession -- guidelines in the 1986 Anti-Drug Abuse Act that sailed through Congress without benefit of public hearings, drafted before an election by Democrats afraid to be labeled "soft on drugs."
As a result, a marijuana grower can land in prison for life without parole while a murderer might be in for eight years. No rational person can defend this; it is a Dostoevskian nightmare, and it exists only because politicians fled in the face of danger.
That includes Bill Clinton, under whose administration the prosecution of Americans for marijuana went up hugely, so that now there are more folks in prison for marijuana than for violent crimes. More than for manslaughter or rape. This only makes sense in the fantasy world of Washington, where perception counts for more than reality. To an old Democrat, who takes a ground view of politics -- What is the actual effect of this action on the lives of real people? -- it is a foul tragedy that makes you feel guilty about enjoying your freedom.
If suddenly on a Friday night the red lights flash and the cops yank your teenage son and his little envelope of marijuana into the legal meatgrinder and some bullet-headed prosecutor decides to flex his muscle and charge your teenager -- because he had a .22 rifle in his upstairs bedroom closet -- with a felony involving the use of a firearm, which under our brutal sentencing code means he can be put on ice for 20 years, and the prosecutor goes at him hammer and tong and convinces a passive jury and your boy's life is sacrificed so this creep can run for Congress next year -- this is not your cross alone to bear. If the state cuts off your right hand with a meat cleaver on my account and I don't object, then it is my cleaver and my fingerprints on it.
I don't dare visit Sandstone Federal Prison here in Minnesota for fear of what I'd see there: People who chose marijuana, a more benign drug than alcohol, and got caught in the religious war that we Democrats in a weak moment signed onto. God help us if we form alliance with such bullies as would destroy a kid's life for raising cannabis plants.
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Posted by: jimb on Dec 6, 2005 7:21 AM
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Make up your mind, America. Either adults can manage their own access to recreational drugs or they can't, but stop telling yourselves that alcohol isn't a drug. It makes no sense.
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Posted by: bambic on Dec 6, 2005 11:17 AM
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As harmless as this drug is, it is the laws that are dangerous and I would advise all users to consider this---jail is not where you want to end up.
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Posted by: picket on Dec 6, 2005 12:19 PM
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Democrats.. Bill Clinton wanted to be seen as "tough on crime" just like all politicians do, but they are tough on humanity instead. Check out the prisons and jails. They are full of non violent,ill, suffering humans that often don't have a dime to go to the commissary for a soft drink.
Sleep well, cause "it's the hap, happiest time of the year !!!!"
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Posted by: jstepp590 on Dec 6, 2005 12:57 PM
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Read about it at www.jackherer.com, he's put it all together in one nice neat package. If you feel he's lying then take his $100,000 challenge and prove him wrong. You can't win, I already verified his info on my own. That is why I'm so angry right now.
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Posted by: bridgetkt on Dec 6, 2005 1:08 PM
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Thank you Mr. Keillor, I appeciate you sticking your neck out, and all the great things you have done. I have listened to PHC since I was a little kid, Bridget K. Martin
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Posted by: bambic on Dec 6, 2005 10:36 PM
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So why can't "We the People" vote on whether or not marijuana should be either legalized or decriminalized?
Shouldn't it be up to us to vote on things like this?
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I am proud to make this my first public announcement that I am joining the Libertarian Party. The Democrats and Republicans in Washington D.C. have evolved into a two headed Federalist dragon. William Richmond
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Worse, the system is set up so that people who've been arrested for crimes are given treatment just to make them cognizant enough to understand when they're taken to trial, so that they can be tossed into prison for committing crimes that they obviously were not responsible for because of their illness - but ill people are damned in the United States. Lock 'em up! Throw away the key. Just as long as no one outside needs to look at them.
It isn't just a war on drugs. It's a war on the weakest members of society. How many lives must be sacrificed to the self-righteous and used to redirect the attention of the masses from the true crimes committed by the corporate controllers of the world?
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Posted by: bear on Dec 8, 2005 6:11 PM
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All 'drugs' used recreationally must be removed from the legal system, and given over to the health system. No amount of 'harm reduction' or 'decriminalization' will do it. Drugs cannot remain within the criminal code without creating a black market.
Recreational drugs were never available without some control prior to prohibition. There is no reason to think that legalization would allow open and free access by everyone to all drugs, even though this is the exact situation existing today in the black market, supported by the prohibition.
Please read my detailed plan to end this vexing problem at:
http://www.thebear.org/essays.html#anchor433500
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Posted by: jeff2045 on Dec 11, 2005 4:16 PM
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At least 80% are there for drugs or drug-related crime, for a total of 1,600,000 prisoners (low estimate)
Average cost per prisoner/per year for incarceration: @$24,000/year (low estimate)
Total cost to taxpayers for drug-related incarceration (low estimate):
At least $38,400,000,000.00 per year (thirty eight billion four hundred million)
But wait...that doesn't count the cost of:
Apprehension (DEA, Customs, local law enforcement, etc.)
Prosecution
Lost tax revenue (which we would have if we chose treatment over incarceration)
Health Care and other social services for the families of drug offenders
The true total cost is unknown, and unknowable, but much higher than most of us think.
So you want to continue the "drug war" (war on ourselves)?
Get out your wallets, fellow dems (and all other taxpayers).
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Posted by: ken_sailor on Dec 13, 2005 6:09 AM
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Alcohol prohibition was defeated by an league of anti-prohibition groups - and they had to repeal a constitutional amendment.
Maybe the Drug Policy Alliance is the place to start.
Thanks to Garrison for regularly speaking out on this issue.
Remember what a German wrote:
When they came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
I was not a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.
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Posted by: DioniMike on Dec 14, 2005 3:54 AM
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Of course, one would have to ask, would Toyota and other industries with strong petrochemical interests that sponsor his show ALLOW HIM? Does anyone know if he's spoken publicaly on the radio/tv etc. about this issue?
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Posted by: jimb on Dec 6, 2005 7:21 AM
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Make up your mind, America. Either adults can manage their own access to recreational drugs or they can't, but stop telling yourselves that alcohol isn't a drug. It makes no sense.
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Posted by: bambic on Dec 6, 2005 11:17 AM
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As harmless as this drug is, it is the laws that are dangerous and I would advise all users to consider this---jail is not where you want to end up.
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Posted by: picket on Dec 6, 2005 12:19 PM
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Democrats.. Bill Clinton wanted to be seen as "tough on crime" just like all politicians do, but they are tough on humanity instead. Check out the prisons and jails. They are full of non violent,ill, suffering humans that often don't have a dime to go to the commissary for a soft drink.
Sleep well, cause "it's the hap, happiest time of the year !!!!"
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Posted by: jstepp590 on Dec 6, 2005 12:57 PM
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Read about it at www.jackherer.com, he's put it all together in one nice neat package. If you feel he's lying then take his $100,000 challenge and prove him wrong. You can't win, I already verified his info on my own. That is why I'm so angry right now.
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Posted by: bridgetkt on Dec 6, 2005 1:08 PM
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Thank you Mr. Keillor, I appeciate you sticking your neck out, and all the great things you have done. I have listened to PHC since I was a little kid, Bridget K. Martin
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So why can't "We the People" vote on whether or not marijuana should be either legalized or decriminalized?
Shouldn't it be up to us to vote on things like this?
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I am proud to make this my first public announcement that I am joining the Libertarian Party. The Democrats and Republicans in Washington D.C. have evolved into a two headed Federalist dragon. William Richmond
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Worse, the system is set up so that people who've been arrested for crimes are given treatment just to make them cognizant enough to understand when they're taken to trial, so that they can be tossed into prison for committing crimes that they obviously were not responsible for because of their illness - but ill people are damned in the United States. Lock 'em up! Throw away the key. Just as long as no one outside needs to look at them.
It isn't just a war on drugs. It's a war on the weakest members of society. How many lives must be sacrificed to the self-righteous and used to redirect the attention of the masses from the true crimes committed by the corporate controllers of the world?
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Posted by: bear on Dec 8, 2005 6:11 PM
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All 'drugs' used recreationally must be removed from the legal system, and given over to the health system. No amount of 'harm reduction' or 'decriminalization' will do it. Drugs cannot remain within the criminal code without creating a black market.
Recreational drugs were never available without some control prior to prohibition. There is no reason to think that legalization would allow open and free access by everyone to all drugs, even though this is the exact situation existing today in the black market, supported by the prohibition.
Please read my detailed plan to end this vexing problem at:
http://www.thebear.org/essays.html#anchor433500
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Posted by: jeff2045 on Dec 11, 2005 4:16 PM
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At least 80% are there for drugs or drug-related crime, for a total of 1,600,000 prisoners (low estimate)
Average cost per prisoner/per year for incarceration: @$24,000/year (low estimate)
Total cost to taxpayers for drug-related incarceration (low estimate):
At least $38,400,000,000.00 per year (thirty eight billion four hundred million)
But wait...that doesn't count the cost of:
Apprehension (DEA, Customs, local law enforcement, etc.)
Prosecution
Lost tax revenue (which we would have if we chose treatment over incarceration)
Health Care and other social services for the families of drug offenders
The true total cost is unknown, and unknowable, but much higher than most of us think.
So you want to continue the "drug war" (war on ourselves)?
Get out your wallets, fellow dems (and all other taxpayers).
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Posted by: ken_sailor on Dec 13, 2005 6:09 AM
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Alcohol prohibition was defeated by an league of anti-prohibition groups - and they had to repeal a constitutional amendment.
Maybe the Drug Policy Alliance is the place to start.
Thanks to Garrison for regularly speaking out on this issue.
Remember what a German wrote:
When they came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
I was not a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.
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Posted by: DioniMike on Dec 14, 2005 3:54 AM
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Of course, one would have to ask, would Toyota and other industries with strong petrochemical interests that sponsor his show ALLOW HIM? Does anyone know if he's spoken publicaly on the radio/tv etc. about this issue?
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