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Yes, I was a cop for 34 years, the last six of which I spent as chief of Seattle's police department.
But no, I don't favor decriminalization. I favor legalization, and not just of pot but of all drugs, including heroin, cocaine, meth, psychotropics, mushrooms and LSD.
Decriminalization, as my colleagues in the drug reform movement hasten to inform me, takes the crime out of using drugs but continues to classify possession and use as a public offense, punishable by fines.
I've never understood why adults shouldn't enjoy the same right to use verboten drugs as they have to suck on a Marlboro or knock back a scotch and water.
Prohibition of alcohol fell flat on its face. The prohibition of other drugs rests on an equally wobbly foundation. Not until we choose to frame responsible drug use -- not an oxymoron in my dictionary -- as a civil liberty will we be able to recognize the abuse of drugs, including alcohol, for what it is: a medical, not a criminal, matter.
As a cop, I bore witness to the multiple lunacies of the "war on drugs." Lasting far longer than any other of our national conflicts, the drug war has been prosecuted with equal vigor by Republican and Democratic administrations, with one president after another -- Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush -- delivering sanctimonious sermons, squandering vast sums of taxpayer money and cheerleading law enforcers from the safety of the sidelines.
It's not a stretch to conclude that our draconian approach to drug use is the most injurious domestic policy since slavery. Want to cut back on prison overcrowding and save a bundle on the construction of new facilities? Open the doors, let the nonviolent drug offenders go.
The huge increases in federal and state prison populations during the 1980s and '90s (from 139 per 100,000 residents in 1980 to 482 per 100,000 in 2003) were mainly for drug convictions. In 1980, 580,900 Americans were arrested on drug charges. By 2003, that figure had ballooned to 1,678,200. We're making more arrests for drug offenses than for murder, manslaughter, forcible rape and aggravated assault combined. Feel safer?
I've witnessed the devastating effects of open-air drug markets in residential neighborhoods: children recruited as runners, mules and lookouts; drug dealers and innocent citizens shot dead in firefights between rival traffickers bent on protecting or expanding their markets; dedicated narcotics officers tortured and killed in the line of duty; prisons filled with nonviolent drug offenders; and drug-related foreign policies that foster political instability, wreak health and environmental disasters, and make life even tougher for indigenous subsistence farmers in places such as Latin America and Afghanistan. All because we like our drugs -- and can't have them without breaking the law.
As an illicit commodity, drugs cost and generate extravagant sums of (laundered, untaxed) money, a powerful magnet for character-challenged police officers.
Although small in numbers of offenders, there isn't a major police force -- the Los Angeles Police Department included -- that has escaped the problem: cops, sworn to uphold the law, seizing and converting drugs to their own use, planting dope on suspects, robbing and extorting pushers, taking up dealing themselves, intimidating or murdering witnesses.
In declaring a war on drugs, we've declared war on our fellow citizens. War requires "hostiles" -- enemies we can demonize, fear and loathe. This unfortunate categorization of millions of our citizens justifies treating them as dope fiends, evil-doers, less than human. That grants political license to ban the exchange or purchase of clean needles or to withhold methadone from heroin addicts motivated to kick the addiction.
President Bush has even said no to medical marijuana. Why would he want to "coddle" the enemy? Even if the enemy is a suffering AIDS or cancer patient for whom marijuana promises palliative, if not therapeutic, powers.
As a nation, we're long overdue for a soul-searching, coldly analytical look at both the "drug scene" and the drug war. Such candor would reveal the futility of our current policies, exposing the embarrassingly meager return on our massive enforcement investment (about $69 billion a year, according to Jack Cole, founder and executive director of Law Enforcement Against Prohibition).
How would "regulated legalization" work? It would:
1) Permit private companies to compete for licenses to cultivate, harvest, manufacture, package and peddle drugs.
2) Create a new federal regulatory agency (with no apologies to libertarians or paleo-conservatives).
3) Set and enforce standards of sanitation, potency and purity.
4) Ban advertising.
5) Impose (with congressional approval) taxes, fees and fines to be used for drug-abuse prevention and treatment and to cover the costs of administering the new regulatory agency.
6) Police the industry much as alcoholic beverage control agencies keep a watch on bars and liquor stores at the state level. Such reforms would in no way excuse drug users who commit crimes: driving while impaired, providing drugs to minors, stealing an iPod or a Lexus, assaulting one's spouse, abusing one's child. The message is simple. Get loaded, commit a crime, do the time.
These reforms would yield major reductions in a host of predatory street crimes, a disproportionate number of which are committed by users who resort to stealing in order to support their habit or addiction.
Regulated legalization would soon dry up most stockpiles of currently illicit drugs -- substances of uneven, often questionable quality (including "bunk," i.e., fakes such as oregano, gypsum, baking powder or even poisons passed off as the genuine article). It would extract from today's drug dealing the obscene profits that attract the needy and the greedy and fuel armed violence. And it would put most of those certifiably frightening crystal meth labs out of business once and for all.
Combined with treatment, education and other public health programs for drug abusers, regulated legalization would make your city or town an infinitely healthier place to live and raise a family.
It would make being a cop a much safer occupation, and it would lead to greater police accountability and improved morale and job satisfaction.
But wouldn't regulated legalization lead to more users and, more to the point, drug abusers? Probably, though no one knows for sure -- our leaders are too timid even to broach the subject in polite circles, much less to experiment with new policy models. My own prediction? We'd see modest increases in use, negligible increases in abuse.
The demand for illicit drugs is as strong as the nation's thirst for bootleg booze during Prohibition. It's a demand that simply will not dwindle or dry up. Whether to find God, heighten sexual arousal, relieve physical pain, drown one's sorrows or simply feel good, for millennia people have turned to mood- and mind-altering substances.
They're not about to stop, no matter what their government says or does. It's time to accept drug use as a right of adult Americans, treat drug abuse as a public health problem and end the madness of an unwinnable war.
This article originally appeared in the Los Angeles Times.
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Posted by: jeff on Oct 20, 2005 1:16 AM
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I'm in a steady relationship, have a well paid job (which I worked hard for), try not to step on other people's toes, and basically enjoy life.
People will always take drugs – it's enjoyable – and I'm sick of these people who advocate against them, when they've not even dropped a pill or smoked a bong in their life.
Admittedly, it's risky, but life is too fucking short. They're not for everyone, and I'm not saying you should take them in order to justify my own usage, but it's really my choice and, ultimately, my responsibility.
I'm not an addict and do realise that some day I will move past this stage of my life. Drug use and not drug abuse.
I'm with the cop. Spliff, anyone?
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Posted by: nitsua1023 on Oct 20, 2005 1:17 AM
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Illegal drugs come from plants, generally. Coke, H, and marijuana. Their refined, back-markey by-products tend to be very dangerous, but the plants themselves are not even remotely. One company has access exclusive to all the coca in the world. Only Coca-cola can legally purchase and sell coca leaf anywhere in the world. No, they don't put it in their soft drink, not anymore. They sell it all to American pharmaceutical companies who jack up the price and sell it to our grandparents at prices which break them. What about meth? Like many drugs meth affects the dopamine receptors, same as coke. Wouldn't most users, given the choice, choose a much safer, more natural, vastly cheaper source? Plants are essentially free. ALL of the illegal plants are the ones with the most medicinal properties. By knowing how to incorporate these ingedients into a patients diet, we can encourage nutrition, not pharmaceutical addiction. Sure medicines work, but there are safer and cheaper first lines of defense.
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The coca leaf:
For thousands of years and still today, South American indigenous peoples have chewed the coca leaf (Erythroxylon coca), a plant which contains vital nutrients as well as numerous alkaloids including cocaine. The leaf was and is chewed almost universally by some indigenous communities, but there is no evidence that its habitual use ever led to any of the negative consequences generally associated with habitual cocaine use today. It is an important source of nutrition and energy in a region that is lacking in other food sources and oxygen; the vitamins and protein present in the leaves, as well as the cocaine alkaloid, helps provide the energy and strength necessary for steep walks in this mountainous area and days without eating.
The coca plant, Erythroxylon coca.
When the Spaniards conquered South America, they at first ignored Aboriginal claims that the leaf gave them strength and energy, and declared the practice of chewing it the work of the Devil. But after discovering that these claims were true, they legalized and taxed the leaf, taking 10% of the value of each crop. These taxes were for a time the main source of support for the Roman Catholic Church in the region.
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Posted by: Ullern on Oct 20, 2005 2:05 AM
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The solution really is as simple as that: REGULATED LEGALIZATION of all psychoactives - not only the vast number of psychoactives deemed 'pharmaceuticals'.
Looking to the Dutch experience with Regulated Legalization (in practice) since 1976, and later other countries (Spain 1984, Belgium 2003, etc.), legalization doesn't increase drug-use. While the use there is becomes more responsible, just like Norm Stamper predicts.
Norm Stamper doesn't mention the power-mongering which benefits from the arbitrary drug-bans. Maybe that's just as well. But in fighting the contra-sensical drug-bans on the factual level, which I whole-heartedly support, one must also be aware of the power-wielding / thought-controlling side of the issue. If for nothing else, to understand how such wild banning-practices can prevail: many societal structures and individuals benefit from the drug-bans. The new prison-industry, to mention one.
Leaders controlling the masses is a scary subject, full of denials and self-deceits, but nonetheless real.
Cast a thought to all the ideas & initiatives originated from only Cannabis-use, that are blocked from entering the public sphere because they contain references to illegal activities (smoking dope). Not to be mentioned in good, responsible company. Like in a major daily news-outlet.
How unlikely it is to hear of e.g Steve Jobs saying: "Well, you know, my major ideas for the Apple Computer originated with my LSD-use." Yet that is what happened. And he's not ashamed to mention it. But the media is ashamed - or suppressed by the dictatorship of 'good taste' - to quote it. Lucky Jobs didn't internally suppress his ideas, like so many others do with great ideas, only because the idea-source is illegal. Think on it.
We must be aware of this thought-control aspect, even while fighting the drug-bans on factual and penetrating levels. Like Norm does. I trust Norm Stamper has this awareness.
Ole Ullern
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Posted by: gonzoskismet on Oct 20, 2005 3:27 AM
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1)It makes too much sense. We never do anything here that makes sense.
2)Look at all the property seized in drug busts that wouldn't be in the possession of local law enforcement impounds for resale.
I'd love to see this happen. I just can't believe that it would ever happen here.
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Posted by: eileenflmng on Oct 20, 2005 6:01 AM
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The 'War on Drugs' is an example of above.
Where ever there is a demand there will be suppliers.
We all want to get back into The Garden.
Certain chemicals open 'windows' in our brains while stimulating pleasure receptors and some even experience the illusion of the Presence of 'The Other'
Indigenous cultures use organic seed bearing plants, cactus, mushrooms, etc. as part of their religous ceremonies.
Shamans 'admisinster' these substances ONLY as part of a religous ceremony and these cultures have no drug abuse.
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Posted by: navistic50 on Oct 20, 2005 6:06 AM
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Unfortunately, common sense and good judgement have no place in American business interests already invested heavily in the "anti'drug" business. These include law enforcement, penal facilities, drug testing companies to name some of the big players. I'll also include the alcohol lobbyists who push their "brand" all over the airwaves and other places.
There is no doubt in my mind that many of the reasons legalization has not already occured, or even started moving in that direction is greed and fear. Greed uses the fear of "drug addicts" and other out-of-control senarios to frighten people into thinking that drugs are bad and alcohol is good. Hell, alcohol is a drug too. In fact the oldest known drug.
We live in a country riddled with hipocracy and lies, bad information and powerful new sources to distort the facts.
Through lobbyists working the beltway in Washington to the brewers in St. Louis the goal is the same.. alcohol is ok and everything else is not. Well, it seems odd to me that the majority of crimes commited in this country are directly traced back to alcohol more than any other drug.
I have no intention of ever apologizing if I decide to get high in my house. Quite frankly, "It's not anybody's damn business"!
As far as not promoting drug use in minors and the other connecting crimes that currently go along with drug selling or use, I agree. We have enough "habits" in this country now.
It occurs to me though that the two biggest problems we face in regards to this issue these days though is the fact that 1. most Americans are uninformed and uneducated in depth of this problem and all of the real problems this issue creates when there was never any need for this type of prohibition to begin with and 2. They are either too lazy to care or brainwashed to do anything about it.
Either way, this "war on drugs" as much as any other issue in recent years has polarized the country into warring camps. To quote a line from the movie "Traffic" uttered by Michael Douglas when dealing with his daughters drug use is so true to this issue. He stated that, "The war on drugs is the only war he knew of that turned families against each other". So true
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Posted by: ggmurray on Oct 20, 2005 6:10 AM
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Posted by: Artkansas on Oct 20, 2005 8:38 AM
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Should be a no brainer.
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Posted by: ScottP on Oct 20, 2005 9:04 AM
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I'll add a little anectdote to debunk the meth myth. Roll the time back to the 1970's at the Cornell University school of engineering, one of the most competitive academic environments in the world. Besides only admitting students well into the 99th percentile, at that time the school flunked almost half the entrants before 4 years were up. Methamphetamine use was very common at the end of the semester when workloads piled up and big tests hit at the same time (probably 30% used meth, dexies, no doze, or some other variation). It allowed students to pull all nighters and get the projects in on time or to read the last chapters of the textbook before the final exam. Recreational drugs were in common use, too. I knew only 2 students (out of the hundred I knew who used drugs or alcohol) who had abuse problems (leading to leaving college), both used multiple drugs, but each had a primary drug that caused the problems, one was alcohol and one was nitrous oxide.
Don't believe the hype!
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Posted by: harpy on Oct 20, 2005 9:22 AM
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Posted by: janvdb on Oct 20, 2005 9:31 AM
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What do we need to do to get more progress in this direction?
I don't see the need to create an entirely new regulatory agency. Why not just make new branches of the federal Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) to take over other "drugs."
We could license growers, processers and retailers in the same way, using the same processes, offices and forms, as we now use to license wineries, breweries, bars and liquor stores.
I think all these substances could be sold in liquor stores and leave the bar situation out of it entirely. Now, all liquor licenses must be approved locally; we could continue that process for the "ungrades" of existing liquor licenses to include licenses for the sale of each drug -- pot, cocaine, heroin, meth.
We should tax all these substances along the lines we tax alcohol. Most of this money is STATE revenue, not national. Some is local. This money should be earmarked exclusively for the provision of treatment on demand and for the provision of treatment in all jails and prisons to all inmates convicted of committing a crime while drunk or high. Treatment is very difficult to access in most jails and prisons now. Waiting lists create delays of years; many inmates can never access it.
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Posted by: janvdb on Oct 20, 2005 9:32 AM
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If that reform were combined with the total repeal of the forfeiture laws, which incentivize cops to continue the "drug war" (as it enriches them), a lot of the negativity of what we are doing would disappear.
The big advantage of actually legallizing and regulating drugs would be the generation of funds to pay for all the treatment which should be available.
Until drugs are legalized, we are unlikely to see significant progress against "the urban underclass," unemployment and cultures of crime -- because those cultures are largely funded by the large profits which illegality confers on drugs.
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Posted by: cvtemptor on Oct 20, 2005 9:45 AM
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I remember you from your San Diego days. I am a retired Municipal/Superior court clerk who always thought you shot straight and still do.
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Posted by: LeeAnnG on Oct 20, 2005 12:47 PM
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Here are the lyrics (c)LeeAnn Gallucci 1997
PRIORITIES (The Pot Plane Song)
There's a child in Harlem crying tonight;
Doesn't have enough to eat;
There's a drug war on, and the cost is high;
Let's get our priorities straight.
Refrain:
There's a pot plane flying over my land;
Invading my privacy too;
Let's all stand up and give 'em a hand;
Tax dollars working for you.
School's not a very nice place to be;
It's old and dusty and dim;
But we need new jails to keep us all safe;
Education doesn't pay like sin.
(Refrain)
A man kills his wife in a jealous rage;
Gets 18 months of time;
If he grew a few plants, he could get five years;
And the sentence becomes the crime.
(Refrain)
The country's gone right, but something's gone wrong;
We all pay for that greed;
Instead of health care, we get B-2s;
And a tax cut the wealthy don't need.
(Refrain)
They say welfare mothers are the cause of it all;
So the government's pulled a swiitch;
Now the loud sucking noises you hear in the air;
Is your money going back to the rich.
There's a pot plane flying over my land;
Invading my privacy too;
Let's all stand up and give 'em a hand;
And maybe a finger or two!
Tax dollars working for you;
Tax dollars working for you;
Tax dollars working for you.
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Posted by: Sinnamoine on Oct 20, 2005 1:28 PM
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I also do not agree with people being locked up in prison because they do drugs. We have people with eating disorders hurting themselves, risking their lives daily. We have people that cut themselves, drink excessively, and KICKBOX....so many different legal ways to do things to yourself that only get disapproving looks. But if you blaze....that is 5 years to life. Where is the common sense in that?
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Posted by: jwg on Oct 20, 2005 1:56 PM
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Personally I think when drugs are no longer illegal the prices will decline because the risk declines, the availabilty will also decline, along with the falacy that some drugs lead to harder drugs, however if excessive taxing takes place there will still be moonshiners. Ultimately it is a question of morality, let those that are moral take their high ground and those that are not, let them be.
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Posted by: ConnecttheDots on Oct 20, 2005 2:20 PM
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Growing hemp and manufacturing hemp-based products has the potential to revitalize local economies across the country. Regulations on industrial hemp will only hinder that process.
Can legalized and unregulated hemp help achieve energy independence? Absolutely! Help ensure food security? Bet on it! Create more jobs? No doubt about it! Clean up the environment? Yes, that, too!
As for my own place in a hemp-based economy, I'm seeking a position in marijuana quality control. Senior position preferred, but entry level okay. Can start immediately.
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Posted by: cispirit on Oct 20, 2005 2:23 PM
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Posted by: stoney13 on Oct 20, 2005 6:04 PM
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Now don't sharpen up yor slings and arrows quite yet! I know what I said about CRASH! (Cops Really Are Shit Heads) and RAMPART! ( Run Another Minority Past a Rigged Trial)!
My feelings haven't changed! There's more than enough cops that take their badge and gun as a licence to go out and harass the shit out of anybody they can get away with, run roughshod over civil rights, and cry piteouisly about walking the "Thin Blue Line" when caught red-handed with their hands in the cookie jar.
These guys love the drug laws!!! It gives them one more reason to rough up the (Fill in the name of unpopular fringe element or minority here)!! They love it because it gives them one more element of control!!! That's what they're all about!! CONTROL!!!
Then you run into the likes of Norm here. This man has been there and done that. He has seen the casualties on both sides! He sees the drug war as a war on fellow Americans and another one of a thousand draconian ideals dividing this country and causing it to self-destruct.
Why have Islamic terrorists not attacked again? Look at the mileage they got off the last one!! They know if they draw a little blood once in a while, then we will turn into our own worse enemies.
Officers like Norm are one in a million. They go past the sematics and actually give a damn!! We need more like him!! And maybee if more like him were given the freedom to speak out, without putting their careers at risk, then we could close the book on another misguided chapter in American History.
Don't think that just because he wore a badge and carried a gun, that he ain't one of us. If you do then you're dead wrong!! I welcome him into the strugle with a smile on my face and a song in my heart!! And I thank God for him, and pray for more like him.
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Posted by: Doubtom on Oct 20, 2005 7:39 PM
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It would have packed more punch had you made your declaration while still in uniform. Courage aside, it's easy to take your stand when nothing is at stake. How many did you arrest that you didn't think were criminals? Being a good cop and following the law is very much like being a good soldier and following a bum order.
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Posted by: iwokeup on Oct 23, 2005 9:32 AM
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it IS a damn shame that so much effort and money have been squandered in the War On Drugs...which has turned mostly into a war on American citizens instead of what it should have been in the beginning...an effort to slow down or prevent the smuggling into the country of dangerous narcotics such as heroin...
BUT, Federal agencies being what they are, the tendency is always to manage through Statistics...how many "busts", how many convictions, etc. - "looking good on paper"...and the noble effort inevitably turned toward being a war against common, (otherwise) law-abiding citizens who use drugs recreationally. IF the Feds and States had taken all the money they've spent chasing Users around and slapping them into prisons, many far more important problems could have been addressed with that money...Social Security being properly funded, national debt being reduced or eliminated, predatory crime being effectively addressed, etc. etc. -
Ed Koch, former NYC mayor, said in an interview over 20 years ago: the "War On Drugs is over...we LOST IT..." - yet the effort and expense continues...
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Posted by: Lets all eat cake on Oct 25, 2005 11:57 AM
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The problem would be getting the goverment one to go against the legal drug empire that would fight it tooth and nail. The other problem would be getting the goverment to invest in the middle and low class of our great country so we could become a stronger nation, wether it be in health care or tax relief. I have seen what other nations do and I guess they have laws in place but I would wager that they don't have anything near what we have earmarked for a so called war against drugs. It just blows my mind that we as a nation are a society of instant gradification from top to bottum. I would love to see opportunities like college for kids that otherwise would never get the chance. Its called investing in our future.
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Posted by: ccBallagh on Oct 26, 2005 10:30 AM
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Food for thought!!
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Posted by: Michiganman on Dec 4, 2005 8:28 AM
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THANK YOU to the officer who spoke the truth in this article.
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Posted by: FairFight on Dec 31, 2005 10:59 PM
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1. A suit against the government to show cause as to the dangers of drugs versus Alcohol, Tobacco and Prescription Medications.
2. A suit against the government to justify its rationale for having made drugs illegal in the first place; and, what is the true purpose of scheduling "so called" dangerous drugs.
3. A suit against the government to produce detailed financial records of all confiscations and use of all funds claimed to have been spent on the War on Drugs; and, how the proceeds from confiscations have been used to offset costs to the American taxpayer.
4. A suit against the government to justify its continued ecological damage to producing countries, in the interest of denying basic freedoms to American citizens.
5. A suit against the government to provide detailed financial information concerning the cost of Methodone Therapy Programs; and, why Methodone is a better alternative than Heroin itself.
These are only a few strategies aimed at publicizing the costs of waging war against Americans who have a Constitutional right to enjoy their drugs of choice without political intervention. I'm sure there are many more strategies.
Whatever strategy is used, the government should be continually put on the spot to justify its war on drugs.
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Posted by: jeff on Oct 20, 2005 1:16 AM
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I'm in a steady relationship, have a well paid job (which I worked hard for), try not to step on other people's toes, and basically enjoy life.
People will always take drugs – it's enjoyable – and I'm sick of these people who advocate against them, when they've not even dropped a pill or smoked a bong in their life.
Admittedly, it's risky, but life is too fucking short. They're not for everyone, and I'm not saying you should take them in order to justify my own usage, but it's really my choice and, ultimately, my responsibility.
I'm not an addict and do realise that some day I will move past this stage of my life. Drug use and not drug abuse.
I'm with the cop. Spliff, anyone?
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Posted by: nitsua1023 on Oct 20, 2005 1:17 AM
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Illegal drugs come from plants, generally. Coke, H, and marijuana. Their refined, back-markey by-products tend to be very dangerous, but the plants themselves are not even remotely. One company has access exclusive to all the coca in the world. Only Coca-cola can legally purchase and sell coca leaf anywhere in the world. No, they don't put it in their soft drink, not anymore. They sell it all to American pharmaceutical companies who jack up the price and sell it to our grandparents at prices which break them. What about meth? Like many drugs meth affects the dopamine receptors, same as coke. Wouldn't most users, given the choice, choose a much safer, more natural, vastly cheaper source? Plants are essentially free. ALL of the illegal plants are the ones with the most medicinal properties. By knowing how to incorporate these ingedients into a patients diet, we can encourage nutrition, not pharmaceutical addiction. Sure medicines work, but there are safer and cheaper first lines of defense.
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The coca leaf:
For thousands of years and still today, South American indigenous peoples have chewed the coca leaf (Erythroxylon coca), a plant which contains vital nutrients as well as numerous alkaloids including cocaine. The leaf was and is chewed almost universally by some indigenous communities, but there is no evidence that its habitual use ever led to any of the negative consequences generally associated with habitual cocaine use today. It is an important source of nutrition and energy in a region that is lacking in other food sources and oxygen; the vitamins and protein present in the leaves, as well as the cocaine alkaloid, helps provide the energy and strength necessary for steep walks in this mountainous area and days without eating.
The coca plant, Erythroxylon coca.
When the Spaniards conquered South America, they at first ignored Aboriginal claims that the leaf gave them strength and energy, and declared the practice of chewing it the work of the Devil. But after discovering that these claims were true, they legalized and taxed the leaf, taking 10% of the value of each crop. These taxes were for a time the main source of support for the Roman Catholic Church in the region.
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Posted by: Ullern on Oct 20, 2005 2:05 AM
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The solution really is as simple as that: REGULATED LEGALIZATION of all psychoactives - not only the vast number of psychoactives deemed 'pharmaceuticals'.
Looking to the Dutch experience with Regulated Legalization (in practice) since 1976, and later other countries (Spain 1984, Belgium 2003, etc.), legalization doesn't increase drug-use. While the use there is becomes more responsible, just like Norm Stamper predicts.
Norm Stamper doesn't mention the power-mongering which benefits from the arbitrary drug-bans. Maybe that's just as well. But in fighting the contra-sensical drug-bans on the factual level, which I whole-heartedly support, one must also be aware of the power-wielding / thought-controlling side of the issue. If for nothing else, to understand how such wild banning-practices can prevail: many societal structures and individuals benefit from the drug-bans. The new prison-industry, to mention one.
Leaders controlling the masses is a scary subject, full of denials and self-deceits, but nonetheless real.
Cast a thought to all the ideas & initiatives originated from only Cannabis-use, that are blocked from entering the public sphere because they contain references to illegal activities (smoking dope). Not to be mentioned in good, responsible company. Like in a major daily news-outlet.
How unlikely it is to hear of e.g Steve Jobs saying: "Well, you know, my major ideas for the Apple Computer originated with my LSD-use." Yet that is what happened. And he's not ashamed to mention it. But the media is ashamed - or suppressed by the dictatorship of 'good taste' - to quote it. Lucky Jobs didn't internally suppress his ideas, like so many others do with great ideas, only because the idea-source is illegal. Think on it.
We must be aware of this thought-control aspect, even while fighting the drug-bans on factual and penetrating levels. Like Norm does. I trust Norm Stamper has this awareness.
Ole Ullern
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Posted by: gonzoskismet on Oct 20, 2005 3:27 AM
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1)It makes too much sense. We never do anything here that makes sense.
2)Look at all the property seized in drug busts that wouldn't be in the possession of local law enforcement impounds for resale.
I'd love to see this happen. I just can't believe that it would ever happen here.
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Posted by: eileenflmng on Oct 20, 2005 6:01 AM
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The 'War on Drugs' is an example of above.
Where ever there is a demand there will be suppliers.
We all want to get back into The Garden.
Certain chemicals open 'windows' in our brains while stimulating pleasure receptors and some even experience the illusion of the Presence of 'The Other'
Indigenous cultures use organic seed bearing plants, cactus, mushrooms, etc. as part of their religous ceremonies.
Shamans 'admisinster' these substances ONLY as part of a religous ceremony and these cultures have no drug abuse.
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Posted by: navistic50 on Oct 20, 2005 6:06 AM
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Unfortunately, common sense and good judgement have no place in American business interests already invested heavily in the "anti'drug" business. These include law enforcement, penal facilities, drug testing companies to name some of the big players. I'll also include the alcohol lobbyists who push their "brand" all over the airwaves and other places.
There is no doubt in my mind that many of the reasons legalization has not already occured, or even started moving in that direction is greed and fear. Greed uses the fear of "drug addicts" and other out-of-control senarios to frighten people into thinking that drugs are bad and alcohol is good. Hell, alcohol is a drug too. In fact the oldest known drug.
We live in a country riddled with hipocracy and lies, bad information and powerful new sources to distort the facts.
Through lobbyists working the beltway in Washington to the brewers in St. Louis the goal is the same.. alcohol is ok and everything else is not. Well, it seems odd to me that the majority of crimes commited in this country are directly traced back to alcohol more than any other drug.
I have no intention of ever apologizing if I decide to get high in my house. Quite frankly, "It's not anybody's damn business"!
As far as not promoting drug use in minors and the other connecting crimes that currently go along with drug selling or use, I agree. We have enough "habits" in this country now.
It occurs to me though that the two biggest problems we face in regards to this issue these days though is the fact that 1. most Americans are uninformed and uneducated in depth of this problem and all of the real problems this issue creates when there was never any need for this type of prohibition to begin with and 2. They are either too lazy to care or brainwashed to do anything about it.
Either way, this "war on drugs" as much as any other issue in recent years has polarized the country into warring camps. To quote a line from the movie "Traffic" uttered by Michael Douglas when dealing with his daughters drug use is so true to this issue. He stated that, "The war on drugs is the only war he knew of that turned families against each other". So true
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Should be a no brainer.
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Posted by: ScottP on Oct 20, 2005 9:04 AM
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I'll add a little anectdote to debunk the meth myth. Roll the time back to the 1970's at the Cornell University school of engineering, one of the most competitive academic environments in the world. Besides only admitting students well into the 99th percentile, at that time the school flunked almost half the entrants before 4 years were up. Methamphetamine use was very common at the end of the semester when workloads piled up and big tests hit at the same time (probably 30% used meth, dexies, no doze, or some other variation). It allowed students to pull all nighters and get the projects in on time or to read the last chapters of the textbook before the final exam. Recreational drugs were in common use, too. I knew only 2 students (out of the hundred I knew who used drugs or alcohol) who had abuse problems (leading to leaving college), both used multiple drugs, but each had a primary drug that caused the problems, one was alcohol and one was nitrous oxide.
Don't believe the hype!
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Posted by: janvdb on Oct 20, 2005 9:31 AM
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What do we need to do to get more progress in this direction?
I don't see the need to create an entirely new regulatory agency. Why not just make new branches of the federal Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) to take over other "drugs."
We could license growers, processers and retailers in the same way, using the same processes, offices and forms, as we now use to license wineries, breweries, bars and liquor stores.
I think all these substances could be sold in liquor stores and leave the bar situation out of it entirely. Now, all liquor licenses must be approved locally; we could continue that process for the "ungrades" of existing liquor licenses to include licenses for the sale of each drug -- pot, cocaine, heroin, meth.
We should tax all these substances along the lines we tax alcohol. Most of this money is STATE revenue, not national. Some is local. This money should be earmarked exclusively for the provision of treatment on demand and for the provision of treatment in all jails and prisons to all inmates convicted of committing a crime while drunk or high. Treatment is very difficult to access in most jails and prisons now. Waiting lists create delays of years; many inmates can never access it.
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Posted by: janvdb on Oct 20, 2005 9:32 AM
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If that reform were combined with the total repeal of the forfeiture laws, which incentivize cops to continue the "drug war" (as it enriches them), a lot of the negativity of what we are doing would disappear.
The big advantage of actually legallizing and regulating drugs would be the generation of funds to pay for all the treatment which should be available.
Until drugs are legalized, we are unlikely to see significant progress against "the urban underclass," unemployment and cultures of crime -- because those cultures are largely funded by the large profits which illegality confers on drugs.
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Posted by: cvtemptor on Oct 20, 2005 9:45 AM
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I remember you from your San Diego days. I am a retired Municipal/Superior court clerk who always thought you shot straight and still do.
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Posted by: LeeAnnG on Oct 20, 2005 12:47 PM
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Here are the lyrics (c)LeeAnn Gallucci 1997
PRIORITIES (The Pot Plane Song)
There's a child in Harlem crying tonight;
Doesn't have enough to eat;
There's a drug war on, and the cost is high;
Let's get our priorities straight.
Refrain:
There's a pot plane flying over my land;
Invading my privacy too;
Let's all stand up and give 'em a hand;
Tax dollars working for you.
School's not a very nice place to be;
It's old and dusty and dim;
But we need new jails to keep us all safe;
Education doesn't pay like sin.
(Refrain)
A man kills his wife in a jealous rage;
Gets 18 months of time;
If he grew a few plants, he could get five years;
And the sentence becomes the crime.
(Refrain)
The country's gone right, but something's gone wrong;
We all pay for that greed;
Instead of health care, we get B-2s;
And a tax cut the wealthy don't need.
(Refrain)
They say welfare mothers are the cause of it all;
So the government's pulled a swiitch;
Now the loud sucking noises you hear in the air;
Is your money going back to the rich.
There's a pot plane flying over my land;
Invading my privacy too;
Let's all stand up and give 'em a hand;
And maybe a finger or two!
Tax dollars working for you;
Tax dollars working for you;
Tax dollars working for you.
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Posted by: Sinnamoine on Oct 20, 2005 1:28 PM
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I also do not agree with people being locked up in prison because they do drugs. We have people with eating disorders hurting themselves, risking their lives daily. We have people that cut themselves, drink excessively, and KICKBOX....so many different legal ways to do things to yourself that only get disapproving looks. But if you blaze....that is 5 years to life. Where is the common sense in that?
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Posted by: jwg on Oct 20, 2005 1:56 PM
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Personally I think when drugs are no longer illegal the prices will decline because the risk declines, the availabilty will also decline, along with the falacy that some drugs lead to harder drugs, however if excessive taxing takes place there will still be moonshiners. Ultimately it is a question of morality, let those that are moral take their high ground and those that are not, let them be.
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Posted by: ConnecttheDots on Oct 20, 2005 2:20 PM
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Growing hemp and manufacturing hemp-based products has the potential to revitalize local economies across the country. Regulations on industrial hemp will only hinder that process.
Can legalized and unregulated hemp help achieve energy independence? Absolutely! Help ensure food security? Bet on it! Create more jobs? No doubt about it! Clean up the environment? Yes, that, too!
As for my own place in a hemp-based economy, I'm seeking a position in marijuana quality control. Senior position preferred, but entry level okay. Can start immediately.
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Posted by: stoney13 on Oct 20, 2005 6:04 PM
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Now don't sharpen up yor slings and arrows quite yet! I know what I said about CRASH! (Cops Really Are Shit Heads) and RAMPART! ( Run Another Minority Past a Rigged Trial)!
My feelings haven't changed! There's more than enough cops that take their badge and gun as a licence to go out and harass the shit out of anybody they can get away with, run roughshod over civil rights, and cry piteouisly about walking the "Thin Blue Line" when caught red-handed with their hands in the cookie jar.
These guys love the drug laws!!! It gives them one more reason to rough up the (Fill in the name of unpopular fringe element or minority here)!! They love it because it gives them one more element of control!!! That's what they're all about!! CONTROL!!!
Then you run into the likes of Norm here. This man has been there and done that. He has seen the casualties on both sides! He sees the drug war as a war on fellow Americans and another one of a thousand draconian ideals dividing this country and causing it to self-destruct.
Why have Islamic terrorists not attacked again? Look at the mileage they got off the last one!! They know if they draw a little blood once in a while, then we will turn into our own worse enemies.
Officers like Norm are one in a million. They go past the sematics and actually give a damn!! We need more like him!! And maybee if more like him were given the freedom to speak out, without putting their careers at risk, then we could close the book on another misguided chapter in American History.
Don't think that just because he wore a badge and carried a gun, that he ain't one of us. If you do then you're dead wrong!! I welcome him into the strugle with a smile on my face and a song in my heart!! And I thank God for him, and pray for more like him.
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Posted by: Doubtom on Oct 20, 2005 7:39 PM
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It would have packed more punch had you made your declaration while still in uniform. Courage aside, it's easy to take your stand when nothing is at stake. How many did you arrest that you didn't think were criminals? Being a good cop and following the law is very much like being a good soldier and following a bum order.
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Posted by: iwokeup on Oct 23, 2005 9:32 AM
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it IS a damn shame that so much effort and money have been squandered in the War On Drugs...which has turned mostly into a war on American citizens instead of what it should have been in the beginning...an effort to slow down or prevent the smuggling into the country of dangerous narcotics such as heroin...
BUT, Federal agencies being what they are, the tendency is always to manage through Statistics...how many "busts", how many convictions, etc. - "looking good on paper"...and the noble effort inevitably turned toward being a war against common, (otherwise) law-abiding citizens who use drugs recreationally. IF the Feds and States had taken all the money they've spent chasing Users around and slapping them into prisons, many far more important problems could have been addressed with that money...Social Security being properly funded, national debt being reduced or eliminated, predatory crime being effectively addressed, etc. etc. -
Ed Koch, former NYC mayor, said in an interview over 20 years ago: the "War On Drugs is over...we LOST IT..." - yet the effort and expense continues...
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Posted by: Lets all eat cake on Oct 25, 2005 11:57 AM
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The problem would be getting the goverment one to go against the legal drug empire that would fight it tooth and nail. The other problem would be getting the goverment to invest in the middle and low class of our great country so we could become a stronger nation, wether it be in health care or tax relief. I have seen what other nations do and I guess they have laws in place but I would wager that they don't have anything near what we have earmarked for a so called war against drugs. It just blows my mind that we as a nation are a society of instant gradification from top to bottum. I would love to see opportunities like college for kids that otherwise would never get the chance. Its called investing in our future.
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Posted by: ccBallagh on Oct 26, 2005 10:30 AM
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Food for thought!!
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Posted by: Michiganman on Dec 4, 2005 8:28 AM
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THANK YOU to the officer who spoke the truth in this article.
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Posted by: FairFight on Dec 31, 2005 10:59 PM
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1. A suit against the government to show cause as to the dangers of drugs versus Alcohol, Tobacco and Prescription Medications.
2. A suit against the government to justify its rationale for having made drugs illegal in the first place; and, what is the true purpose of scheduling "so called" dangerous drugs.
3. A suit against the government to produce detailed financial records of all confiscations and use of all funds claimed to have been spent on the War on Drugs; and, how the proceeds from confiscations have been used to offset costs to the American taxpayer.
4. A suit against the government to justify its continued ecological damage to producing countries, in the interest of denying basic freedoms to American citizens.
5. A suit against the government to provide detailed financial information concerning the cost of Methodone Therapy Programs; and, why Methodone is a better alternative than Heroin itself.
These are only a few strategies aimed at publicizing the costs of waging war against Americans who have a Constitutional right to enjoy their drugs of choice without political intervention. I'm sure there are many more strategies.
Whatever strategy is used, the government should be continually put on the spot to justify its war on drugs.
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