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The Epidemic of Pot Arrests in New York City
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There are two things that need to be understood about marijuana arrests in New York City.
First, possession of less than an ounce of marijuana is not a crime in New York State. Since 1977 and passage of the Marijuana Reform Act, state law has made simple possession of less than seventh-eights of an ounce of pot a violation, like a traffic violation. One can be given a ticket and fined $100 for marijuana possession, but not fingerprinted and jailed. For over thirty years, New York State has formally, legally, decriminalized possession of marijuana.
Second, despite that law, since 1997 the New York City Police Department has arrested 430,000 people for possessing small amounts of marijuana, mostly teenagers and young people in their twenties. Most people arrested were not smoking pot. Usually they just carried a bit of it in a pocket. In 2008 alone, the NYPD arrested and jailed 40,300 people for possessing a small amount of marijuana. These extraordinary numbers of arrests and jailings, continuing for over twelve years, now make New York City the marijuana arrest capital of the world.
The arrests for marijuana possession first increased dramatically under Mayor Rudolph Giuliani. They have continued unabated under Mayor Michael Bloomberg. By 2008 Bloomberg had arrested more people for pot possession than Giuliani, and more than other mayor in the world.
Why has the NYPD continued to order narcotics and patrol officers to make so many misdemeanor pot arrests? For many reasons. The arrests are easy, safe, and provide training for new officers. The arrests gain overtime pay for patrol and narcotics police and their supervisors. The pot arrests allow officers to show productivity, which counts for promotions and choice assignments. Marijuana arrests enable the NYPD to obtain fingerprints, photographs and other data on many young people they would not otherwise have in their criminal justice databases. And there is very little public criticism and thus far no political opposition to New York City's marijuana arrest crusade.
Do the pot arrests reduce serious and violent crimes? No, if anything they increase other crimes. Professors Harcourt and Ludwig at the University of Chicago Law School analyzed NYPD data and concluded that the pot possession arrests took officers off the street and distracted them from other crime-fighting activities. "New York City’s marijuana policing strategy," they reported, "is having exactly the wrong effect on serious crime – increasing it, rather than decreasing it.” Veteran police officers agree terming the possession arrests "a waste of time." The arrests drain resources not just of police, but also of courts, jails, prosecutors and public defenders.
Perhaps most appalling is who the police are arresting for marijuana possession. U.S. government studies have consistently found that young whites use marijuana at higher rates than do young blacks or Latinos. But the NYPD has long arrested young blacks and Latinos for pot possession at much higher rates than whites.
In 2008, blacks were about 26% of New York City's population, but over 54% of the people arrested for pot possession. Latinos were about 27% of New Yorkers, but 33% of the pot arrestees. Whites were over 35% of the City's population, but less than 10% of the people arrested for possessing marijuana. In 2008, police arrested Latinos for pot possession at four times the rate of whites, and blacks at seven times the rate of whites.
Do the arrests violate New York State's decriminalization law? Yes and no. Yes, they certainly violate the spirit and intent of the 1977 law which explicitly sought to eliminate the pot possession arrests and the stigma of criminal records, especially for young people. And yes, some police, in particular narcotics squads, do make some illegal searches and arrests.
But no, most of the arrests are probably technically legal. The NYPD has found easy ways to trick or intimidate young people so they allow a search, or even just take out their marijuana and hand it over to the officers.
Here's how the police do it. NYPD commanders direct officers to stop and question many young people and make arrests for possessing "contraband." In 2008, the NYPD made more than half a million recorded stop and frisks and an unknown number of unrecorded stops, disproportionately in black, Latino and low-income neighborhoods. By far, the most common contraband young people might possess is a small amount of marijuana.
According to U.S. Supreme Court decisions, police are allowed to thoroughly pat down the outside of someone's clothing looking for a gun, which is bulky and easy to detect. But police cannot legally search inside a person's pockets and belongings without permission or probable cause.
However, police officers can legally make false statements to people they stop, and officers can trick people into revealing things. So in a stern, authoritative voice, NYPD officers will say to the young people they stop:
"We're going to have to search you. If you have anything illegal you should show it to us now. If we find something when we search you, you'll have to spend the night in jail. But if you show us what you have now, maybe we can just give you a ticket. And if it’s nothing but a little weed, maybe we can let you go. So if you’ve got anything you’re not supposed to have, take it out and show it now.”
When police say this, the young people usually take out their small amount of marijuana and hand it over. Their marijuana is now "open to public view." And that – having a bit of pot out and open to be seen – technically makes it a crime, a fingerprintable offense. And for cooperating with the police, the young people are handcuffed and jailed.
Before Mayors Giuliani and Bloomberg, New York police rarely if ever did this to make marijuana arrests. Since 1997 the NYPD has used this procedure to make tens of thousands of marijuana arrests a year, averaging about a hundred a day, every day for over twelve years. This is more than ten times the average number of marijuana arrests the City made previously. As NYPD and New York Criminal Court data show, before 1997 marijuana arrests were less than one percent of all arrests. The lowest-level misdemeanor pot possession arrests are now over ten percent of all arrests in New York City.
New York is extreme in the number of its marijuana arrests. But other cities are also making many pot possession arrests and jailings at high rates, often using the same techniques as the NYPD. As FBI arrest data shows, this includes Atlanta, Baltimore, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Denver, Houston, Indianapolis, Philadelphia, Phoenix, San Antonio, and other cities.
Since the 1990s, the U.S. War on Drugs has emphasized making many low-level possession arrests, especially of marijuana. At least forty percent of all drug arrests are now just for marijuana possession and U.S. marijuana arrests are at an all time high. In the last ten years, the U.S. has arrested more than six million people, mostly young people, for possessing marijuana.
As in New York City, pot arrests nationally are racially skewed, racially biased. Throughout the U.S., young blacks and Latinos are stopped, searched and arrested for pot possession at much higher rates than whites – even though young whites use marijuana at higher rates.
Do the arrests harm the people arrested? Absolutely. They produce permanent, criminal records which potential employers can easily find, often on the internet. As even the New York City Health Department recognizes, "A marijuana conviction can keep you from getting a student loan, a job, a house or an apartment – even years later." In effect, the marijuana arrests provide the young, mostly low-income blacks, Latinos and whites with a head start for unemployment and prison.
The arrests are expensive, but state and local governments do not have to pay for them all. Arrests for possessing even tiny amounts of marijuana and other drugs are subsidized by the U.S. government. Up to a billion dollars a year has been going to states, prosecutors and police departments through the Byrne Grant Program to “fight” drugs and crime. Many Democrats in Congress have been strong supporters of Byrne Grants, including Senators Joe Biden and Barack Obama.
In 2009, the economic stimulus package enacted by Congress added two billion dollars more to the Byrne Grant Program. This tripled Byrne Grant funding raising it to the highest level ever. As a result, this epidemic of racially-biased and stigmatizing marijuana possession arrests in New York City and elsewhere will grow even larger.
The Obama administration's Department of Justice could alter Byrne grant regulations so that police departments, prosecutors and local governments cannot use the federal funds to subsidize arrests of people who possess only small amounts of marijuana. That alone could do a great deal to reduce the arrests, jailings, and stigmatizing criminal records. But police departments and prosecutors have enormous political clout in Washington. And other than a few civil liberties and drug policy reform groups, there is currently little organized opposition to the pot arrests.
Partly because of the economic crisis, some people, especially in California, have proposed that marijuana be legalized, taxed and regulated like alcohol is. Serious, broad-ranging debate about alternatives to marijuana prohibition would be a sensible, hopeful development. But marijuana legalization would constitute a huge change in U.S. drug law and is not likely any time soon. Meanwhile, the great many damaging, expensive, racially-biased marijuana possession arrests and jailings continue – even in places like New York that have legally decriminalized simple possession.
In the 1980s Barack Obama was a college student in New York City, living on the border of Harlem. He used marijuana, walked around the city a lot, and sometimes may have carried a bit of pot in his pocket. If the current policing policies of New York and other cities were in effect at that time, he might well have been arrested and jailed. If that had happened Barack Obama would not be president today.
Is this what Americans want their police to be doing: arresting enormous numbers of young people, disproportionately black and Latino, and destroying their futures, for … pot possession?
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Posted by: talkville on Aug 10, 2009 1:10 AM
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What does one do about these illegals?
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Posted by: davy on Aug 10, 2009 2:56 AM
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Posted by: begruntleed on Aug 10, 2009 3:11 AM
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Surely any competent lawyer would get them off for this? I mean, I am cynical, but I just cannot believe that it can be a criminal offence to obey a cops instructions - especially when it is a criminal offence not to!
Is this whole thing just about black kids not having lawyers?
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Posted by: greenferret on Aug 10, 2009 3:50 AM
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Posted by: gazooks on Aug 10, 2009 3:53 AM
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Let's be clear, if it's not clear enough already. We live in a police state.
What you want, what I want isn't of consequence. We are ruled by elites that will continue to do what they want proportionate to their economic status and political connections. If there is any question now after the patronage to banking, suppression of public dissent and usurpation of the press, grotesque examples of official arrogance and blatancy of misrepresentation, distortion and outright lies, and finally, the unmistakable co-opting of the man that would be hope, then you're just not paying critical attention.
You, your wants and needs as citizens, regardless of reasonableness and sensibility and justice, do not matter. Face it.
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Posted by: AZLBRAX07 on Aug 10, 2009 4:46 AM
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I guess that these hypocrites prove that there is one set of laws for them and another set of laws for us, peasants.
Then again, why should I be surprised? After all: they're both career POLITICIANS...and isn't "politician" just another word for "liar"?
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Posted by: MT512 on Aug 10, 2009 7:50 AM
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The right thing for the person to do in such a case is submit to a pat-down search (they have no choice on that really). If the cop feels the bag and asks "what's that?" you should just say "it is not a weapon" because that's all they can legally search for with the pat-down. The Fourth Amendment still stands--they must have probable cause, like they can smell it, or maybe saw you stuffing it into your pocket before approaching you, to actually search inside your pockets or purse (or car or home).
But to me the real kicker is I never knew this was officially the truth until reading this article (it's always been apparent in practice):
"...police officers can legally make false statements to people they stop..."
That's amazing! So a cop directing traffic in the middle of an intersection could wave you through the intersection against a red light, then ticket you for running the red light?!
I dream of a day when cops are just regular people, and they are not given any special rights, which they currently have IN SPADES.
Wouldn't it be nice to be a Superman-like superhero and just tell the cops, "Hey, try to take it from me!" Imagine that Superman is stopped for having a joint, but being Superman, decides the law is wrong and he's going to keep it, and maybe smoke it right there. Eventually you'd have the entire police department and National Guard out there on that street corner. The police state would escalate the situation to nothing less than war on Superman over a silly misdemeanor. Then he can just fly away, giving them all the middle finger. Of course, then they'd call in the F-22s and put NORAD on alert.
All they know, the only language they speak, is force.
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Posted by: coolrayfruge on Aug 10, 2009 6:11 AM
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Their just showing what a police state we live in flexing their Corperate America Nazi socialist mantality.
Cowards,are you to affraid to go after the real crimmals commiting acts of voilance and vandelism or what!.
Lets pick on a smoker its safer.
Gee officer Bill did you catch any violent crimminals today? no! but I harassed and arrested a innocent pot smoker.
Got my ticket quota up today!
Thats good! keep that money rolling in.
the Police have become no more than a bunch of thugs with a badge.
Who's protecting us from the Police.
Surely not the corrupted Politicians.
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Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Aug 10, 2009 7:31 AM
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The phony, endless war on drugs, especially marijuana, has ruined many people's lives while providing police departments, lawyers, judges, the prison industry, DEA, etc., all sorts of job security, bonuses, overtime pay, ever increasing revenue & powers, their own smuggling/dealing/money-laundering opportunities, etc.!!! (And this is just the tip of the rotten, corrupt iceberg!)
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Posted by: xvictor on Aug 10, 2009 7:33 AM
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Thx a lot NYPD. All you did was make selling pot even more profitable for the pot dealers, despite busting and fining them.
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Posted by: kettleblack on Aug 10, 2009 7:52 AM
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It's hard for these po-lice departments to turn down Billions of Federal Dollars to promote Federal Prohibition and Official Lies.
The police are disregarding the clear intent of the law for easy profits. Easy on-the-job training arresting potheads (not hazardous like dealing with cranksters).
The po-lice have abused their legal right to lie in order to entrap regular people, and now regular people don't trust cops. And the cops wonder why nobody trusts them anymore.
The police have no interest in killing their cash cow - continue the "war" on drug(gies)!
Oh yeah, the po-lice get their paychecks from who? You and me via taxes. Wow. Getting paid from both sides. Such a deal.
Taking shortcuts to easy money seem to always leave the rest of us with the short end of the deal.
Are we being scammed?
When did police change their social presence from background to centerstage? They used to protect our way of living. Now, they are telling us how to live.
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Posted by: melpol on Aug 10, 2009 8:53 AM
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Posted by: picket on Aug 10, 2009 11:09 AM
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What matters is that the Obama Administration needs to tell the Drug Czar that the DEA need not stand in the way of rescheduling MJ to Schedule III. That is a start.
In the Raich v Gonzalez 2005 decision, Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens in voting against basically said go talk to your Congress, the Lawmakers, they make the Laws.
Our Lawmakers only appear to listen at election time. The rest of the time their hands are over their ears, lalalalalalalala. The adult population that advocates for drug reform are treated like naughty children, be seen BUT NOT heard.
Read the most recent Chris Hedges article. Progressives know the truth. We have been duped by both the Republicans and the Democrats. They and their "friends" are in the minority but they rule and control.
Third Party Leaders need to hold a Convention ASAP and combine efforts, write a platform , choose a viable candidate, hate to say it but reality is a candidate who is [smart, squeaky clean, good-looking] it DOES matter, in this materialistic society.
Internet supporters will contribute and start advertisements NOW, ASAP!!!
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Posted by: chirho33 on Aug 10, 2009 11:10 AM
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Posted by: Gerald on Aug 10, 2009 11:20 AM
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The irony is that the drug war increases drug trafficking profits thereby creating incentives for traffickers and Mexican based cartels. The latter is producing havoc and disorder in Mexico and many cities in the U.S. while bankrupting our Criminal Justice system here.
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Posted by: hedgewytch on Aug 10, 2009 11:58 AM
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Posted by: bouffardwa on Aug 10, 2009 12:12 PM
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UNITED revolution is what is called for.This is a call to arms. Knowledgeable leaders, of all apropriate skills, form our armies, and we will follow.No,I'm not talking guns and bombs. We pot smokers find ourselves talking about God,and ending world hunger.But we have to stop thinking of ourselves as 36 million individuals, but as an army 36 million strong( I suspect many more)
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Posted by: tokerdesigner on Aug 10, 2009 6:01 PM
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SCHIP
Some congratulated themselves that the national administration was finally going to do something about hot burning overdose nicotine cigarette addiction, the no. 1 genocide conspiracy in the history of the planet, and some statistics were trotted out that raising cigarette taxes lowers consumption, but...
Cannabis Suppression is How Government Repays The Tobacco Industry For All That Tax Money! Do the due diligence and go on line and track down (a) how many billions are collected in cigarette tax money, and (b) how much the government then spends on these cannabis arrests!
Republicans in particular
Though Bloomberg has made generous gestures with his own money (well, he has plenty to spare), including teaming up with Gates to form a $500-mil. anti-tobacco program, he either won't or can't do anything about this NYC arrest plague. He has various reasons, apparently, to claim to be a Republican. Meanwhile, since the 1960's, the Nixon "Southern Strategy" and the transfer of key tobacco oligarchs-- Reagan, Sinatra, Helms-- from the Democrat to Republican side, the Republican Party has gotten at least 2/3 of the tobacco campaign contributions. The figures don't appear that large, until you realize that each politician who accepts any of the money has given the Industry implied permission to send well-trained, well-groomed young attractive men and women (known popularly as lobbyists-- that means, law-buy-ists) to schmooze and hang out and "influence" the politician and her/his staff members.
And the War on Drugs (i.e. Against Cannabis) is clearly the number one thing politicians do to help Big 2Wackgo.
Banning cannabis is a stratagem to brting about de facto banning of what Big 2Wackgo REALLY fears: the Downdosage Revolution. When it's no longer dangerous to carry a long-stemmed one-hitter (25-mg. serving size), which is harder to hide from the cop than a 500-mg. hot burning overdose joint, the hot burning overdose nicotine cigarette format, basis of their profit margin, is doomed.
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Posted by: what on Aug 10, 2009 11:35 PM
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Do I have to answer the questions asked by the police?
You have the constitutional right to remain silent. It is not a criminal act to refuse to answer questions. It is a good idea to talk to a lawyer before agreeing to answer questions. You do not have to talk to anyone, even if you have been arrested or are in jail. Only a judge can order you to answer questions.
Can I talk to a lawyer?
You have the right to talk to a lawyer before you answer questions, whether or not the police inform you of that right. The job of a criminal lawyer is to protect your rights. Once you say that you want to talk to an attorney, officers should stop asking you questions. Even if you do not have a lawyer, you may still tell the officer you want to speak with one before answering questions. If you have a lawyer, keep his or her business card with you. Show it to the officer, and ask to call your lawyer. Remember to get the name, agency and telephone number of any investigator who visits you, and give that information to your lawyer.
Can the police search my home or office?
The police, or other law enforcement agents, cannot search your home unless you give them permission, or unless they have a search warrant. A search warrant is a court order that allows the police to conduct a specified search. Interfering with the search probably will not stop it and you might get arrested. But you should say clearly that you have not given your consent and that the search is against your wishes. Your roommate or guest can legally consent to a search of your house if the police believe that person has the authority to give consent. Police and law enforcement need a warrant to search an office, but your employer can consent to a search of your workspace without your permission.
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Posted by: aahpat on Aug 11, 2009 6:15 AM
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Jim Crow over-enforcement of the pot laws subverts our democracy and threatens our public safety and national security.
IMPEACH MAYOR MICHAEL BLOOMBERG FOR TREASON!!!
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Posted by: aahpat on Aug 11, 2009 6:31 AM
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The other leg of Jim Crow was much more invidious, trumped up morals laws, like drug laws, to mass electorally disenfranchise people and their communities. Richard Nixon, in collusion with the Dixie-crats in congress in 1970, re-invigorated and federalized this gangrenous leg of Jim Crow with the Controlled Substances Act which is the founding law of the modern war on drugs.
"[President Nixon] emphasized that you have to face the fact that the whole problem is really the blacks. The key is to devise a system that recognizes this while not appearing to." H.R. Haldeman's diary according to former Wall Street Journal reporter Dan Baum in his book "Smoke and Mirrors".
The war on drugs was then, and still is today, that "system".
This is how Mike Bloomberg, and all right-wing authoritarians, stay in office.
Just ask the average under-educated kid with a drug conviction if they know their voting rights. they will tell you they have no such rights. Forget the truth that in many states they do have rights once freed from criminal sanction, their lack of knowledge and education is the controlling factor.
Use of any illegal intoxicant is a litmus test and disinfectant for political nonconformity. People willing to question the drug laws by using might be as likely to question other dogma and dictates of the right-wing that dominates the phony two party system in America. Once a potential nonconformist is identified by their possessions they are disinfected from the authoritarian body politic of America with criminal disenfranchisement.
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Posted by: aahpat on Aug 11, 2009 7:24 AM
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Marijuana legalization at the federal level is another more short term solution.
H.R. 2943 To eliminate most Federal penalties for possession of marijuana for personal use... Please consider writing to your representative and asking that they support this bill. Tell your congress-people, in no uncertain terms, that you want this bill passed this year.
Sen. Jim Webb of Virginia authored S-714 to create a national criminal justice commission to look into all aspects of the use of America's criminal justice system. Sen. Webb has even indicated that marijuana legalization is "On the table"
Thus far 33 senators have signed on to Sen. Webb's S-714 as co-sponsors. S-714 tally sheet of senators thus far co-sponsoring the bill. The bill needs all the support it can get because drug war supporters have offered a counter bill in the House of Representative.
H.R. 2943 To eliminate most Federal penalties for possession of marijuana for personal use... Please consider writing to your representative and asking that they support this bill.
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Posted by: aahpat on Aug 11, 2009 9:22 AM
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where the DEA roam.
and the police and prison state reigns.
Where never is heard
The democracy word.
And the rule of law's
Flushed down the drain.
Home, home,
Police state.
The people have no real say.
The cops say the word,
and the people, as a herd,
go to jail,
with their lives turned to rot.
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Posted by: BCcovers on Aug 11, 2009 10:35 AM
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We have to work on "turning back the clock" on these usurpers of the people's powers for the last century. It will take awhile, but we have to start working now. WE the people have slowly allowed our rights to be widdled away with the promise of safety and commodius living. The war on drugs progressives avow to detest so much now is a direct result of a philosophy that disregards individual freedoms and looks to a large, all-powerful government as the answer to all of society's ills. We have seen how moving towards these socialist programs and philosophies have hampered our constitutional rights throughout the years; let's put an end to it now. You can kiss legalize pot good-bye should national health care ever be implemented. Not only will the war on drugs not be stopped, but we will also see many other freedoms drift away from the individual. History has proven this. We have to reverse the course now; or perhaps 100 years from now, people will wonder how we lived with such "extreme" freedom of speech.
Of course I'll probably get called a troll, hate monger, and a racist (I don't see the connection but any criticism of our pres is met with such an outcry here). But these people hurling the accusations are simply accomplises to the erosion of our freedoms as Americans. They are the people desiring MORE governemnt control of your life, and less freedom for you.
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» If this is true then why do countries with national health care have more liberal drug laws?
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Posted by: socrates2 on Aug 12, 2009 4:29 PM
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The Feds are paying for these hundreds of thousand of busts.
Each "bust" usually turns over a "measly" $100.00 fine to the city. Those fines add up in the city coffers. The money adds a healthy reserve to the budget.
Collateral consequences: an isolated MJ "perp" here or there may actually have evidence of a more serious crime. The cops gamble on it.
Bingo!
The MJ harassed "perps" will tend to avoid future contacts with cops, get off the streets, and the city "gets cleaned up of undesireable elements." Voila!
Less "profile perps" to distract the cops from the _real_ "perps" who may pay "street fines" to the "City's Finest" to be left alone to commit...?
The cops "gamble" on judge's _believing_ that the cops uttered that talismantic phrase, "voluntarily show us your stash" just _before_ the "perp" displayed his joints or baggy. Dollars to doughnuts it was an unconsented frisk and search and the cop writes otherwise in his report. But, hey, the judge gets paid to believe "a sincere officer" whose entire job is to stop crime on its tracks, "with no motive to lie about a perfect stranger...and the officer would not risk his career and pension by committing perjury."
Yeah, and there's never a camcorder around when you need one either...
Overall, this unwarranted police action is an _economic-based_ move that benefits everyone, except those who take our Constitution seriously.
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Posted by: dougontrack on Aug 13, 2009 9:24 AM
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http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php
S.714,the National Criminal Justice Commission Act
http://ow.ly/jX0Q
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Posted by: micko on Aug 14, 2009 4:29 PM
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Why the State lets those goons get away with what they do is quite beyond all common sense. Most "law enforcement" has made a mockery of "protecting the people" in great part due to the egregious war on drugs, which has armed them like occupying armies and allowed them free rein to commit such unconstitutional acts as home invasions, false witness, murder, you name it. Even if they are video-taped committing atrocities, they stand together in perjury and destruction of evidence, including those video tapes. NYC is just the worst, or at least one of the very worst.
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Posted by: talkville on Aug 14, 2009 8:36 PM
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It will never be Reasonable.
We've got the Private-Public Partnership Government we deserve.
First, we must all focus on the Lawyers. Are they Medieval Scholastics? Or Moderns?
What are we?
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Posted by: Chet Mozart on Aug 15, 2009 1:44 PM
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It's a scam, like the rest of the God Damn War On Us- er, On Drugs.
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Posted by: RR#1 on Aug 15, 2009 3:29 PM
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Cheers,
RR
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For decades the drug war has never been about improving the lives of the majority of Americans, as is the pious claim. Study the harm to so many young people caused by the arrests. Then into the article a little way came the revealing information. The arrests and resulting costs are bourn by the Federal Government. An ah ha moment for sure! What we are witnessing almost w/o any notice or protest is the destruction of many of the rights, liberties, opportunities and responsibilities of millions of citizens. This is part of the master plan to militarize and subjugate us. It all ties in with the wage reduction of so many workers, the lack of health care and on and on. As has been clearly described in other Alternet articles we are fast becoming a Fascist nation and all the horrors that will include. “Officer friendly” is not our friend; he/they will heroically save a child for good TV PR to only later arrest and abuse him. NEVER TALK TO THE POLICE. The incredible criminals and thieves are running wild w/o consequences; “impeachment is off the table” “We must look forward not backward.” “Single payer health care is off the table.” It may be too late but we must rise up and protest the myriad of injustices and subjugation occurring at this moment. Nationwide strikes might help.
Terrytom
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Posted by: talkville on Aug 10, 2009 1:10 AM
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What does one do about these illegals?
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Posted by: begruntleed on Aug 10, 2009 3:11 AM
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Surely any competent lawyer would get them off for this? I mean, I am cynical, but I just cannot believe that it can be a criminal offence to obey a cops instructions - especially when it is a criminal offence not to!
Is this whole thing just about black kids not having lawyers?
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Posted by: greenferret on Aug 10, 2009 3:50 AM
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Posted by: gazooks on Aug 10, 2009 3:53 AM
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Let's be clear, if it's not clear enough already. We live in a police state.
What you want, what I want isn't of consequence. We are ruled by elites that will continue to do what they want proportionate to their economic status and political connections. If there is any question now after the patronage to banking, suppression of public dissent and usurpation of the press, grotesque examples of official arrogance and blatancy of misrepresentation, distortion and outright lies, and finally, the unmistakable co-opting of the man that would be hope, then you're just not paying critical attention.
You, your wants and needs as citizens, regardless of reasonableness and sensibility and justice, do not matter. Face it.
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Posted by: AZLBRAX07 on Aug 10, 2009 4:46 AM
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I guess that these hypocrites prove that there is one set of laws for them and another set of laws for us, peasants.
Then again, why should I be surprised? After all: they're both career POLITICIANS...and isn't "politician" just another word for "liar"?
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Posted by: MT512 on Aug 10, 2009 7:50 AM
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The right thing for the person to do in such a case is submit to a pat-down search (they have no choice on that really). If the cop feels the bag and asks "what's that?" you should just say "it is not a weapon" because that's all they can legally search for with the pat-down. The Fourth Amendment still stands--they must have probable cause, like they can smell it, or maybe saw you stuffing it into your pocket before approaching you, to actually search inside your pockets or purse (or car or home).
But to me the real kicker is I never knew this was officially the truth until reading this article (it's always been apparent in practice):
"...police officers can legally make false statements to people they stop..."
That's amazing! So a cop directing traffic in the middle of an intersection could wave you through the intersection against a red light, then ticket you for running the red light?!
I dream of a day when cops are just regular people, and they are not given any special rights, which they currently have IN SPADES.
Wouldn't it be nice to be a Superman-like superhero and just tell the cops, "Hey, try to take it from me!" Imagine that Superman is stopped for having a joint, but being Superman, decides the law is wrong and he's going to keep it, and maybe smoke it right there. Eventually you'd have the entire police department and National Guard out there on that street corner. The police state would escalate the situation to nothing less than war on Superman over a silly misdemeanor. Then he can just fly away, giving them all the middle finger. Of course, then they'd call in the F-22s and put NORAD on alert.
All they know, the only language they speak, is force.
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Posted by: coolrayfruge on Aug 10, 2009 6:11 AM
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Their just showing what a police state we live in flexing their Corperate America Nazi socialist mantality.
Cowards,are you to affraid to go after the real crimmals commiting acts of voilance and vandelism or what!.
Lets pick on a smoker its safer.
Gee officer Bill did you catch any violent crimminals today? no! but I harassed and arrested a innocent pot smoker.
Got my ticket quota up today!
Thats good! keep that money rolling in.
the Police have become no more than a bunch of thugs with a badge.
Who's protecting us from the Police.
Surely not the corrupted Politicians.
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Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Aug 10, 2009 7:31 AM
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The phony, endless war on drugs, especially marijuana, has ruined many people's lives while providing police departments, lawyers, judges, the prison industry, DEA, etc., all sorts of job security, bonuses, overtime pay, ever increasing revenue & powers, their own smuggling/dealing/money-laundering opportunities, etc.!!! (And this is just the tip of the rotten, corrupt iceberg!)
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Posted by: xvictor on Aug 10, 2009 7:33 AM
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Thx a lot NYPD. All you did was make selling pot even more profitable for the pot dealers, despite busting and fining them.
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Posted by: kettleblack on Aug 10, 2009 7:52 AM
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It's hard for these po-lice departments to turn down Billions of Federal Dollars to promote Federal Prohibition and Official Lies.
The police are disregarding the clear intent of the law for easy profits. Easy on-the-job training arresting potheads (not hazardous like dealing with cranksters).
The po-lice have abused their legal right to lie in order to entrap regular people, and now regular people don't trust cops. And the cops wonder why nobody trusts them anymore.
The police have no interest in killing their cash cow - continue the "war" on drug(gies)!
Oh yeah, the po-lice get their paychecks from who? You and me via taxes. Wow. Getting paid from both sides. Such a deal.
Taking shortcuts to easy money seem to always leave the rest of us with the short end of the deal.
Are we being scammed?
When did police change their social presence from background to centerstage? They used to protect our way of living. Now, they are telling us how to live.
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What matters is that the Obama Administration needs to tell the Drug Czar that the DEA need not stand in the way of rescheduling MJ to Schedule III. That is a start.
In the Raich v Gonzalez 2005 decision, Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens in voting against basically said go talk to your Congress, the Lawmakers, they make the Laws.
Our Lawmakers only appear to listen at election time. The rest of the time their hands are over their ears, lalalalalalalala. The adult population that advocates for drug reform are treated like naughty children, be seen BUT NOT heard.
Read the most recent Chris Hedges article. Progressives know the truth. We have been duped by both the Republicans and the Democrats. They and their "friends" are in the minority but they rule and control.
Third Party Leaders need to hold a Convention ASAP and combine efforts, write a platform , choose a viable candidate, hate to say it but reality is a candidate who is [smart, squeaky clean, good-looking] it DOES matter, in this materialistic society.
Internet supporters will contribute and start advertisements NOW, ASAP!!!
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Posted by: Gerald on Aug 10, 2009 11:20 AM
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The irony is that the drug war increases drug trafficking profits thereby creating incentives for traffickers and Mexican based cartels. The latter is producing havoc and disorder in Mexico and many cities in the U.S. while bankrupting our Criminal Justice system here.
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UNITED revolution is what is called for.This is a call to arms. Knowledgeable leaders, of all apropriate skills, form our armies, and we will follow.No,I'm not talking guns and bombs. We pot smokers find ourselves talking about God,and ending world hunger.But we have to stop thinking of ourselves as 36 million individuals, but as an army 36 million strong( I suspect many more)
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SCHIP
Some congratulated themselves that the national administration was finally going to do something about hot burning overdose nicotine cigarette addiction, the no. 1 genocide conspiracy in the history of the planet, and some statistics were trotted out that raising cigarette taxes lowers consumption, but...
Cannabis Suppression is How Government Repays The Tobacco Industry For All That Tax Money! Do the due diligence and go on line and track down (a) how many billions are collected in cigarette tax money, and (b) how much the government then spends on these cannabis arrests!
Republicans in particular
Though Bloomberg has made generous gestures with his own money (well, he has plenty to spare), including teaming up with Gates to form a $500-mil. anti-tobacco program, he either won't or can't do anything about this NYC arrest plague. He has various reasons, apparently, to claim to be a Republican. Meanwhile, since the 1960's, the Nixon "Southern Strategy" and the transfer of key tobacco oligarchs-- Reagan, Sinatra, Helms-- from the Democrat to Republican side, the Republican Party has gotten at least 2/3 of the tobacco campaign contributions. The figures don't appear that large, until you realize that each politician who accepts any of the money has given the Industry implied permission to send well-trained, well-groomed young attractive men and women (known popularly as lobbyists-- that means, law-buy-ists) to schmooze and hang out and "influence" the politician and her/his staff members.
And the War on Drugs (i.e. Against Cannabis) is clearly the number one thing politicians do to help Big 2Wackgo.
Banning cannabis is a stratagem to brting about de facto banning of what Big 2Wackgo REALLY fears: the Downdosage Revolution. When it's no longer dangerous to carry a long-stemmed one-hitter (25-mg. serving size), which is harder to hide from the cop than a 500-mg. hot burning overdose joint, the hot burning overdose nicotine cigarette format, basis of their profit margin, is doomed.
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Do I have to answer the questions asked by the police?
You have the constitutional right to remain silent. It is not a criminal act to refuse to answer questions. It is a good idea to talk to a lawyer before agreeing to answer questions. You do not have to talk to anyone, even if you have been arrested or are in jail. Only a judge can order you to answer questions.
Can I talk to a lawyer?
You have the right to talk to a lawyer before you answer questions, whether or not the police inform you of that right. The job of a criminal lawyer is to protect your rights. Once you say that you want to talk to an attorney, officers should stop asking you questions. Even if you do not have a lawyer, you may still tell the officer you want to speak with one before answering questions. If you have a lawyer, keep his or her business card with you. Show it to the officer, and ask to call your lawyer. Remember to get the name, agency and telephone number of any investigator who visits you, and give that information to your lawyer.
Can the police search my home or office?
The police, or other law enforcement agents, cannot search your home unless you give them permission, or unless they have a search warrant. A search warrant is a court order that allows the police to conduct a specified search. Interfering with the search probably will not stop it and you might get arrested. But you should say clearly that you have not given your consent and that the search is against your wishes. Your roommate or guest can legally consent to a search of your house if the police believe that person has the authority to give consent. Police and law enforcement need a warrant to search an office, but your employer can consent to a search of your workspace without your permission.
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Posted by: aahpat on Aug 11, 2009 6:15 AM
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Jim Crow over-enforcement of the pot laws subverts our democracy and threatens our public safety and national security.
IMPEACH MAYOR MICHAEL BLOOMBERG FOR TREASON!!!
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Posted by: aahpat on Aug 11, 2009 6:31 AM
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The other leg of Jim Crow was much more invidious, trumped up morals laws, like drug laws, to mass electorally disenfranchise people and their communities. Richard Nixon, in collusion with the Dixie-crats in congress in 1970, re-invigorated and federalized this gangrenous leg of Jim Crow with the Controlled Substances Act which is the founding law of the modern war on drugs.
"[President Nixon] emphasized that you have to face the fact that the whole problem is really the blacks. The key is to devise a system that recognizes this while not appearing to." H.R. Haldeman's diary according to former Wall Street Journal reporter Dan Baum in his book "Smoke and Mirrors".
The war on drugs was then, and still is today, that "system".
This is how Mike Bloomberg, and all right-wing authoritarians, stay in office.
Just ask the average under-educated kid with a drug conviction if they know their voting rights. they will tell you they have no such rights. Forget the truth that in many states they do have rights once freed from criminal sanction, their lack of knowledge and education is the controlling factor.
Use of any illegal intoxicant is a litmus test and disinfectant for political nonconformity. People willing to question the drug laws by using might be as likely to question other dogma and dictates of the right-wing that dominates the phony two party system in America. Once a potential nonconformist is identified by their possessions they are disinfected from the authoritarian body politic of America with criminal disenfranchisement.
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Posted by: aahpat on Aug 11, 2009 7:24 AM
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Marijuana legalization at the federal level is another more short term solution.
H.R. 2943 To eliminate most Federal penalties for possession of marijuana for personal use... Please consider writing to your representative and asking that they support this bill. Tell your congress-people, in no uncertain terms, that you want this bill passed this year.
Sen. Jim Webb of Virginia authored S-714 to create a national criminal justice commission to look into all aspects of the use of America's criminal justice system. Sen. Webb has even indicated that marijuana legalization is "On the table"
Thus far 33 senators have signed on to Sen. Webb's S-714 as co-sponsors. S-714 tally sheet of senators thus far co-sponsoring the bill. The bill needs all the support it can get because drug war supporters have offered a counter bill in the House of Representative.
H.R. 2943 To eliminate most Federal penalties for possession of marijuana for personal use... Please consider writing to your representative and asking that they support this bill.
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Posted by: aahpat on Aug 11, 2009 9:22 AM
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where the DEA roam.
and the police and prison state reigns.
Where never is heard
The democracy word.
And the rule of law's
Flushed down the drain.
Home, home,
Police state.
The people have no real say.
The cops say the word,
and the people, as a herd,
go to jail,
with their lives turned to rot.
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Posted by: BCcovers on Aug 11, 2009 10:35 AM
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We have to work on "turning back the clock" on these usurpers of the people's powers for the last century. It will take awhile, but we have to start working now. WE the people have slowly allowed our rights to be widdled away with the promise of safety and commodius living. The war on drugs progressives avow to detest so much now is a direct result of a philosophy that disregards individual freedoms and looks to a large, all-powerful government as the answer to all of society's ills. We have seen how moving towards these socialist programs and philosophies have hampered our constitutional rights throughout the years; let's put an end to it now. You can kiss legalize pot good-bye should national health care ever be implemented. Not only will the war on drugs not be stopped, but we will also see many other freedoms drift away from the individual. History has proven this. We have to reverse the course now; or perhaps 100 years from now, people will wonder how we lived with such "extreme" freedom of speech.
Of course I'll probably get called a troll, hate monger, and a racist (I don't see the connection but any criticism of our pres is met with such an outcry here). But these people hurling the accusations are simply accomplises to the erosion of our freedoms as Americans. They are the people desiring MORE governemnt control of your life, and less freedom for you.
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» If this is true then why do countries with national health care have more liberal drug laws?
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Posted by: xmvince on Aug 12, 2009 2:22 PM
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Posted by: socrates2 on Aug 12, 2009 4:29 PM
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The Feds are paying for these hundreds of thousand of busts.
Each "bust" usually turns over a "measly" $100.00 fine to the city. Those fines add up in the city coffers. The money adds a healthy reserve to the budget.
Collateral consequences: an isolated MJ "perp" here or there may actually have evidence of a more serious crime. The cops gamble on it.
Bingo!
The MJ harassed "perps" will tend to avoid future contacts with cops, get off the streets, and the city "gets cleaned up of undesireable elements." Voila!
Less "profile perps" to distract the cops from the _real_ "perps" who may pay "street fines" to the "City's Finest" to be left alone to commit...?
The cops "gamble" on judge's _believing_ that the cops uttered that talismantic phrase, "voluntarily show us your stash" just _before_ the "perp" displayed his joints or baggy. Dollars to doughnuts it was an unconsented frisk and search and the cop writes otherwise in his report. But, hey, the judge gets paid to believe "a sincere officer" whose entire job is to stop crime on its tracks, "with no motive to lie about a perfect stranger...and the officer would not risk his career and pension by committing perjury."
Yeah, and there's never a camcorder around when you need one either...
Overall, this unwarranted police action is an _economic-based_ move that benefits everyone, except those who take our Constitution seriously.
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Posted by: dougontrack on Aug 13, 2009 9:24 AM
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http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php
S.714,the National Criminal Justice Commission Act
http://ow.ly/jX0Q
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Posted by: micko on Aug 14, 2009 4:29 PM
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Why the State lets those goons get away with what they do is quite beyond all common sense. Most "law enforcement" has made a mockery of "protecting the people" in great part due to the egregious war on drugs, which has armed them like occupying armies and allowed them free rein to commit such unconstitutional acts as home invasions, false witness, murder, you name it. Even if they are video-taped committing atrocities, they stand together in perjury and destruction of evidence, including those video tapes. NYC is just the worst, or at least one of the very worst.
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Posted by: talkville on Aug 14, 2009 8:36 PM
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It will never be Reasonable.
We've got the Private-Public Partnership Government we deserve.
First, we must all focus on the Lawyers. Are they Medieval Scholastics? Or Moderns?
What are we?
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Posted by: Chet Mozart on Aug 15, 2009 1:44 PM
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It's a scam, like the rest of the God Damn War On Us- er, On Drugs.
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» RE: Don't Ever Believe Them, Don't Bust Yourself!
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Posted by: RR#1 on Aug 15, 2009 3:29 PM
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Cheers,
RR
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Posted by: Terrytom on Aug 16, 2009 7:07 AM
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For decades the drug war has never been about improving the lives of the majority of Americans, as is the pious claim. Study the harm to so many young people caused by the arrests. Then into the article a little way came the revealing information. The arrests and resulting costs are bourn by the Federal Government. An ah ha moment for sure! What we are witnessing almost w/o any notice or protest is the destruction of many of the rights, liberties, opportunities and responsibilities of millions of citizens. This is part of the master plan to militarize and subjugate us. It all ties in with the wage reduction of so many workers, the lack of health care and on and on. As has been clearly described in other Alternet articles we are fast becoming a Fascist nation and all the horrors that will include. “Officer friendly” is not our friend; he/they will heroically save a child for good TV PR to only later arrest and abuse him. NEVER TALK TO THE POLICE. The incredible criminals and thieves are running wild w/o consequences; “impeachment is off the table” “We must look forward not backward.” “Single payer health care is off the table.” It may be too late but we must rise up and protest the myriad of injustices and subjugation occurring at this moment. Nationwide strikes might help.
Terrytom
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