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Love Thy Neighbor: The Immorality of Marijuana Prohibition

In light of the toll that marijuana prohibition takes on the lives of our neighbors, can we justly say "that's the price you pay?"
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While our current economic climate has prompted many Californians to look toward legalized marijuana as a solution to our near-legendary budget woes, there are those for whom the potential revenue from marijuana is no compensation for the further erosion of our morals. In their eyes, the prohibition of marijuana must continue, lest our society drown in a tidal wave of vice. But what about the morality of prohibition?

While a conceivably inexhaustible stream of revenue could be generated through the regulation of all currently illicit goods and services, few, if any, of these prohibitions has caused our society more harm in return for less good than the marijuana ban.

In 2007, California law enforcement made over 74,000 marijuana arrests, 78 percent of which were for simple possession. Of those arrested, more than 16,000 were minors.

Despite the powerful deterrent of arrest and prosecution, this expenditure of state resources has had little effect. In 2008, 23 percent of teenagers still report that it is easier to procure marijuana than either beer or prescription drugs.

Approximately 100 million Americans, nearly one-third of the entire population and a greater proportion of adults, have consumed marijuana. Marijuana remains the No. 1 cash crop in California, surpassing all fruits and vegetables combined.

Before you accuse me of cowardly surrendering a noble fight, consider what all of these arrests have succeeded in doing:

  • Precious law enforcement resources are diverted from investigating and preventing violent crime.
  • Adults who are arrested face the threat of losing their jobs, thereby depriving their families of income and security.
  • Our youth face the threat of expulsion from school and ineligibility for student loans.
  • Families are torn apart as children are removed from their homes and placed into foster care.

Can a policy that perpetuates such tragedy truly be considered morally right? In light of the toll that marijuana prohibition takes on the lives of our neighbors, can we justly say "that's the price you pay?"

An analysis of the goals of marijuana prohibition further erodes its tenuous moral foundation. For many, the goal of marijuana prohibition is simple: to keep people from consuming the plant.

Although prohibition seems to be the clearest way to achieve this goal, this simple plan is fatally flawed. In practice, total prohibition is the total abandonment of control. Prohibition has given rise to a clandestine marketplace completely out of the government's reach, thereby increasing youth access. Drug dealers don't ask young buyers for ID.

By banning distribution of marijuana anywhere, we have given up control of distribution everywhere. By limiting our responses to marijuana distribution to criminal punishment, we have failed to protect the consumer's safety through regulating the product's quality and encouraging responsible use.

Most important of all, by failing to maintain a legitimate, regulated market we have given incentive to violent criminal enterprises motivated by the lucrative, unfettered profits, thereby jeopardizing the safety of all.

Can such an overly simplistic policy that so frustrates important law enforcement and public concerns be morally just?

The regulated legalization of marijuana should not be viewed as acquiescence to a depraved subculture, but the reclamation of control. Through regulated legalization we can control distribution. We can control its quality and potency. We can address the harms caused by its abuse through constructive treatment, rather than destructive punishment. We can usurp the power of the black market by eliminating their profits. And for those who consider marijuana consumption an immoral personal choice, we can ensure that society's response is a moral one.


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Not a moral issue
Posted by: notalemming on Jul 16, 2009 5:23 PM   
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Substance abuse should not be viewed as a moral issue. It is a health and safety issue. The author assumes that the individuals in the justice system are suffering from the justice system and not the abuse of marijuana. California has decriminalized marijuana, so possession of it = a small fine, less than a speeding ticket. Most marijuana arrests happen during traffic stops or in the commission of other crimes. Users are hardly ever put in prison for use alone. And should we feel sorry for traffickers?

My loved ones abused marijuana and the substance abuse destroyed my family, not law enforcement. Put the blame where it belongs. Law enforcement helped get my loved one into treatment.

I support gay marriage, oppose the death penalty, war in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc., but I say no to a society of chemical dependency of all kinds, especially because we should protect young people. We can do a better job, but legalization is not the answer.

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The Golden Rule "Love Thy Neighbor" is Seriously Flawed
Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com on Jul 16, 2009 9:26 PM   
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If you prefer that others intercede if you were using a drug then in turn you should intercede when others are using a drug.

That is logical conclusion of the golden rule and it is the moral basis of the Drug War.


I much prefer "your body, your property, your choice".

You make decisions concerning your body and I make decisions concerning my body. This eliminates meddlesome people making decisions for others against their will.

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LeaveMeAlone
Posted by: LeaveMeAlone on Jul 17, 2009 6:12 AM   
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I have lost two uncles and a good friend to tobacco use. I have lost another two friends to alcohol. But I do not advocate the imprisonment of tobacco and alcohol users, nor I do not advocate the revocation of professional licenses for tobacco and alcohol users.

Frankly, I think you're a liar. You sound like some bible-thumping drug warrior assigned to engage with the enemy, with no responsiblilty for truthfulness. After all, it is a "war" and in war all things are justified, including lies.

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Last time I was in buying LEGAL pot
Posted by: Sister_Lauren on Jul 17, 2009 11:57 AM   
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There were some teenaged boys in there. That was rare.

As a reporter I jumped on the chance to interview them. As much as cops and reporters keep talking about teens buying pot, I wasn't seeing it. The people I was usually seeing were basically all medical users like myself.

The boys assured me they had medical reasons. I asked them how many of their friends who like themselves do have medical cards, shared it with their other friends. Pretty much all of them was the answer.

Oh no! I had verified a police 'fact'!

So I asked them, when they bring pot to parties, do the kids drink less?

"Oh, YES!" was the answer.

So I asked the group," Why do cops want to stop kids from using pot when it makes them drink less?! Aren't they worried about their safety?!"

We all had the usual answer to that.

I think if there is one conclusion we can draw about the Drug War, child safety is not a priority.

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dr.todd
Posted by: todd432 on Jul 17, 2009 11:58 AM   
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Such stupid comments, All for the kids huh? It just so happens that scoring a bag Pot is even easier to get in our High schools than Oakland CA and that's a fact jack. Alcohol is FAR more of a Danger to society and those who choose to smoke a joint than drink a beer should be allowed to do so.

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4 more deaths
Posted by: sopomike on Jul 17, 2009 3:55 PM   
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this week alone police have murdered four people this week .all in the name of failed drug policy .any other country at least four cops would be killed in retaliation why do we allow them to murder our children and seniors to keep a little weed off the streets.for the profit of competing big buisness of coarse police are bought and paid for by these crimnals.

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Legalize Marijuana in California
Posted by: ab390 on Jul 18, 2009 2:55 PM   
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No matter how many people we arrest, it's still easier for high school students to buy pot than beer. Keeping marijuana illegal does not benefit our children. It benefits special interest groups: the alcoholic beverage industry, the prison industry, police departments and their suppliers, government bureaucrats, and drug cartels.

Tell your legislators in Sacramento to legalize marijuana. Visit yes390.org

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"In light of the toll" ?
Posted by: joebanana on Jul 18, 2009 11:09 PM   
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In light of the toll "marijuana" takes on our neighbors???? Yeah really, those damn neighbors, all stoned and mellow, watching TV, playing with the kid's and dog, just like every other terrorist in this country. Someone's been reading those government propaganda pamphlets. The harm caused by marijuana, is all a result of overzealous paramilitary drug warriors, and the government, for supporting this terrorist action on American citizens, killing people to make them "safe", needs to be rethought. The war on drugs has caused way more harm and death, than it prevents

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Give me Liberty or Give me Death?
Posted by: RR#1 on Jul 19, 2009 12:23 PM   
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I suppose being a Marxist makes me a libetarian in a sense, ( sharing no affinity with those who would give property greater rights than people) it seems America has lost a part of it's soul with prohibition, a hollow caricature of what it purports to be.
Cheers,
RR

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wow, missing the POINT entirely!
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Jul 20, 2009 9:33 AM   
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the point of drugs laws has nothing to do with morality.

nothing.

whatsoever.

at all.

its entirely related to control, corruption & the ReichWing personal satisfaction of REMOVING COMPETITION FROM THEIR LIVES

both
1. economic (BigPharma, BigBooze... )
2. social (got a criminal record? good luck with employment & voting!)

Its much like the bitches who enjoy watching one of their number get knocked up: When a ReichWinger sees bad things happen to Other People... they get a rush of personal satisfaction...

...personal 'pride' (haha! I'm smarter than YOU, I know the RULES & how to break them & not get CAUGHT OUT!)
...personal 'vindication' (Who did that BITCH think she was?! fuck that bitch!)
...PERSONAL ADVANCEMENT (fuck that bitch! try influencing your way through the World with your tits when you've got a brat dangling off one of them! less COMPETITION FOR MEEEEEEE)

let's be honest, these are the folks who think shoving someone down a flight of stairs is 'strong gameplay' to get what you want!

They don't give a fuck about their neighbours: these people are amoral xenophobic narcissists



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take a reality pill you fascists pt 1
Posted by: streetway1 on Jul 20, 2009 3:24 PM   
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Well, I suppose this is a good example of the ignorance out there. What 'health problems' associated with marijuana use? There are none. There is no such thing as an overdose. No one has ever died or been harmed from using marijuana, except for the legal considerations.

Morality? How does anyone think they are holy enough to dictate morality to any other person? People should mind their own business. Freedom of every individual to believe and practice whatever doesn't harm anyone else must become universal.(America, land of the free? Home of the Brave? what are you afraid of? someone else might enjoy their life more than you do?)

Don't take my word for it, do your own research.

It seems so simple doesn't it? Just try telling people. Not even a Senate committee can make them listen.

"The continued PROHIBITION of cannabis jeopardizes the health and well-being of Canadians MUCH MORE than does the substance itself."

• Senate Special Committee on Illegal Drugs, 2002

In Canada, Prohibition is actually illegal here, as it is contrary to our Guaranteed rights and freedoms under the Constitution Act. We need to get prohibition repealed, but so many are employed in enforcement, incarceration, and the legal and social system, that there is a huge vested interest in maintaining the Status Quo. Although these types of employment consume the GDP, they add nothing to it, just shuffle around values created by others, including, ironically, the very marijuana producers they oppose. Commercialization of the industry is necessary to create jobs and rebuild the economy. Not some Big Tobacco like monstrosity, but licenced growers in a cottage industry, each distributing their brand through beer stores and liquor stores to avoid sales to minors. We can eliminate every argument against legal marijuana, as long as we tell the truth, are reasonable, patient, persistent, and far more gracious that the prohibitionists. We must break it to them that we have already won!

Marijuana is not a narcotic, for one thing, so the Canadian Narcotics Control Act has been updated to move it to another department, but everything stayed the same even after the government had to recognize that. This is how they keep moving the goal posts to make it harder for us to score. I figure we should stick to our guns and ORDER our representatives to work to repeal unjust, illegal prohibition.

The 'superpot' thing that American political moron was touting is BULL. More THC is no big deal. There is no such thing as an overdose as there is with alcohol. Like whiskey to beer, you just need less. Even in LARGE doses is still far safer than even a little alcohol

We could bring to their attention the fact that unlike the tar in tobacco that sticks to your lungs and carries all sorts of carcinogens and causes cancer in 50% of users, the tar in cannabis smoke globulates in liquid, as anyone who has ever cleaned weed oil vials can attest to, it gathers together in a liquid. In fact, as it peels off your lung liner it is taking free radicals and other toxins with them as they are expirated naturally from the lungs. In fact, Cannabis may be saving the lives of many who smoke both.

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.......pt2
Posted by: streetway1 on Jul 20, 2009 3:26 PM   
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The Status quo generates so much inertia to slow or prevent change...wouldn't it be nice if all those could have jobs that actually contributed value to society instead of being paid out of the values generated by others. None of those people produce any good or commodity, (which is what the GDP consists of) marijuana growers, on the other hand produce billions of dollars for the global economy every year, even if it an underground economy it fuels the 'legitimate' economy too. Unfortunately, the 'prison industrial complex' consumes even more values than their counterparts produce. The congressman is part and defender of the former. (our) Ignorance is (their) strength. Less (freedom we have) is More (power they have)

The vested interest thing goes both ways. If we are successful, I feel I would stabbing the great people who have supplied me with the very best top of the line Bud, in the back. They would have to declare taxes, pay for licensing, hire accountants, pay cpp etc. to employees, be subject to inspections etc. A nightmare for them. They want to keep things the way they are.

Truth could cost the fascists of the 'prison industrial complex’, (where people are a raw material) their jobs, they fear the Truth. They fear those who speak it. Fear often causes violent reactions. Arresting and jailing cannabis users is a violence to them and their families. They harm no one with their beliefs and practices. Prison guard unions and police associations, lawmakers, (most of them lawyers), have a huge vested interest in the status quo. This ought to preclude them from participating in prohibitionist activities, as it constitutes what is legally termed "conflict of interest". If anyone still cares about Truth and justice anyway. Whatever happened to loving ones neighbor? Does that become irrelevant when you swear an oath of office? Why does breaking down Constitutionally GUARANTEED fundamental freedoms, passing laws to circumvent the Constitution become accepted by the very population they are sworn to protect and serve?

(Our Constitution Act clearly defines what laws are legal to pass as those which, "can be DEMONSTRABLY JUSTIFIED IN A FREE AND DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY.") there is not and has never been any demonstrable justification for prohibition to exist. Not only do we want prohibition repealed, we want those individuals harmed through the unlawful enforcement of unjust and illegal laws to be compensated. The government itself is guilty of using an illegal law to oppress it's own citizens, creating a second class of citizen which is merely "prison fodder" to employ prison guards, police, lawyers and social workers etc.

Mothers against Drunk Driving (MADD) is a very powerful yet profoundly misinformed lobby. Marijuana DOES NOT IMPAIR as alcohol does. There is no such thing as an overdose of marijuana, marijuana is NOT a narcotic or addictive substance. MADD squawks about the fact if Marijuana is legal, people might drive high. Newsflash ladies, they already do. While it is inevitable that there will be marijuana at the scene, and marijuana users will be in accidents just like non users, there is no evidence that users are involved in more accidents per capita than non users. The same is not true of alcohol or many prescription drugs used legally. If a demonstration is required I will happily volunteer to be a test subject, smoke two joints for each beer the other driver has, I guarantee I will still score better than the other two on an obstacle course. Even after 35 years of daily use. The Olympic Committee is right. It IS a 'performance enhancing substance'.

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.....pt 3
Posted by: streetway1 on Jul 20, 2009 3:28 PM   
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I started smoking joints when I was thirteen. Being a kid, and not knowing any better, it led to more dangerous substances such as alcohol and tobacco. It took me 25 years to become tobacco free. (10 yrs now) As a mentally ill youngster, (severe bipolar disorder), I discovered that marijuana enabled me to function on a higher level. (I have a genius IQ, yet was extremely sensitive and socially retarded). I am currently prescribed very high doses of lithium and quetiapine, which leaves me pretty much useless for 12hrs/day. Marijuana allows my to use much, much less of the prescribed meds saving me from extreme kidney pain from accumulated lithium in my system. Marijuana is of great health benefit to me, however I do not lobby much for medical marijuana as there is so much ignorance and prejudice educated into physicians. Freedom of every individual to believe and practice whatever doesn't harm anyone else must become universal, whether you have a prescription or not. Why would I ask for anyone’s permission or approval to do what I need to do?

Besides all that, they shouldn't call it 'dope, it's a misnomer. It makes it sound as if we are dumb and stupid for smoking it, when in fact the opposite has proven to be the case. The average marijuana user is far more erudite and enlightened than the average ignoramus in journalism school.

I thought freedom of religion was a guaranteed right in America. Personally, I believe that when Moses saw the 'Burning Bush', that was burned yet not consumed, I believe he inhaled. I had a bush that burned for years, one joint at a time, yet was not consumed. On his next trip up the mountain to the patch, while Israel waited below, God so enlightened him he came down with the Tablets, got grumpy and broke them and went back for more. The tree that produces so many fruits on a monthly basis, could have no other than the one we have today. The 'leaves of the trees are for the healing of the nations', get it? The joints the apostles were smoking 50 days after Jesus was busted watering the garden of Gethsemene with his tears, must have looked like 'tongues of fire' to one who never seen one before. There are many other examples, but frankincense is a favorite. Considered worthy to be a gift to a king. What do you think they made temple incense from, anyway? I am a student of theology and an ordained minister, I do not wish to offend, but enlighten.

STAND UP FOR YOU RIGHTS America. Don't accept persecution from the ignorant and malicious. Be Free to use or not as you decide for yourself. Refuse to be dictated to by people who are ignorant, have never tried it, and probably still look for the Boogeymay under their beds every night. I just do not get why some feel it necessary to prevent others from enjoyment of their lives. Don’t let them do it to you.

Bonne chance, God bless

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drug
Posted by: hahaho on Jul 30, 2009 7:36 AM   
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If you prefer that others intercede if you were using a drug then in turn you should intercede when others are using a drug.links of london tiffany

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Not a moral issue
Posted by: notalemming on Jul 16, 2009 5:23 PM   
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Substance abuse should not be viewed as a moral issue. It is a health and safety issue. The author assumes that the individuals in the justice system are suffering from the justice system and not the abuse of marijuana. California has decriminalized marijuana, so possession of it = a small fine, less than a speeding ticket. Most marijuana arrests happen during traffic stops or in the commission of other crimes. Users are hardly ever put in prison for use alone. And should we feel sorry for traffickers?

My loved ones abused marijuana and the substance abuse destroyed my family, not law enforcement. Put the blame where it belongs. Law enforcement helped get my loved one into treatment.

I support gay marriage, oppose the death penalty, war in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc., but I say no to a society of chemical dependency of all kinds, especially because we should protect young people. We can do a better job, but legalization is not the answer.

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The Golden Rule "Love Thy Neighbor" is Seriously Flawed
Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com on Jul 16, 2009 9:26 PM   
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If you prefer that others intercede if you were using a drug then in turn you should intercede when others are using a drug.

That is logical conclusion of the golden rule and it is the moral basis of the Drug War.


I much prefer "your body, your property, your choice".

You make decisions concerning your body and I make decisions concerning my body. This eliminates meddlesome people making decisions for others against their will.

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LeaveMeAlone
Posted by: LeaveMeAlone on Jul 17, 2009 6:12 AM   
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I have lost two uncles and a good friend to tobacco use. I have lost another two friends to alcohol. But I do not advocate the imprisonment of tobacco and alcohol users, nor I do not advocate the revocation of professional licenses for tobacco and alcohol users.

Frankly, I think you're a liar. You sound like some bible-thumping drug warrior assigned to engage with the enemy, with no responsiblilty for truthfulness. After all, it is a "war" and in war all things are justified, including lies.

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Last time I was in buying LEGAL pot
Posted by: Sister_Lauren on Jul 17, 2009 11:57 AM   
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There were some teenaged boys in there. That was rare.

As a reporter I jumped on the chance to interview them. As much as cops and reporters keep talking about teens buying pot, I wasn't seeing it. The people I was usually seeing were basically all medical users like myself.

The boys assured me they had medical reasons. I asked them how many of their friends who like themselves do have medical cards, shared it with their other friends. Pretty much all of them was the answer.

Oh no! I had verified a police 'fact'!

So I asked them, when they bring pot to parties, do the kids drink less?

"Oh, YES!" was the answer.

So I asked the group," Why do cops want to stop kids from using pot when it makes them drink less?! Aren't they worried about their safety?!"

We all had the usual answer to that.

I think if there is one conclusion we can draw about the Drug War, child safety is not a priority.

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dr.todd
Posted by: todd432 on Jul 17, 2009 11:58 AM   
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Such stupid comments, All for the kids huh? It just so happens that scoring a bag Pot is even easier to get in our High schools than Oakland CA and that's a fact jack. Alcohol is FAR more of a Danger to society and those who choose to smoke a joint than drink a beer should be allowed to do so.

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4 more deaths
Posted by: sopomike on Jul 17, 2009 3:55 PM   
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this week alone police have murdered four people this week .all in the name of failed drug policy .any other country at least four cops would be killed in retaliation why do we allow them to murder our children and seniors to keep a little weed off the streets.for the profit of competing big buisness of coarse police are bought and paid for by these crimnals.

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Legalize Marijuana in California
Posted by: ab390 on Jul 18, 2009 2:55 PM   
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No matter how many people we arrest, it's still easier for high school students to buy pot than beer. Keeping marijuana illegal does not benefit our children. It benefits special interest groups: the alcoholic beverage industry, the prison industry, police departments and their suppliers, government bureaucrats, and drug cartels.

Tell your legislators in Sacramento to legalize marijuana. Visit yes390.org

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"In light of the toll" ?
Posted by: joebanana on Jul 18, 2009 11:09 PM   
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In light of the toll "marijuana" takes on our neighbors???? Yeah really, those damn neighbors, all stoned and mellow, watching TV, playing with the kid's and dog, just like every other terrorist in this country. Someone's been reading those government propaganda pamphlets. The harm caused by marijuana, is all a result of overzealous paramilitary drug warriors, and the government, for supporting this terrorist action on American citizens, killing people to make them "safe", needs to be rethought. The war on drugs has caused way more harm and death, than it prevents

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Give me Liberty or Give me Death?
Posted by: RR#1 on Jul 19, 2009 12:23 PM   
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I suppose being a Marxist makes me a libetarian in a sense, ( sharing no affinity with those who would give property greater rights than people) it seems America has lost a part of it's soul with prohibition, a hollow caricature of what it purports to be.
Cheers,
RR

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wow, missing the POINT entirely!
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Jul 20, 2009 9:33 AM   
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the point of drugs laws has nothing to do with morality.

nothing.

whatsoever.

at all.

its entirely related to control, corruption & the ReichWing personal satisfaction of REMOVING COMPETITION FROM THEIR LIVES

both
1. economic (BigPharma, BigBooze... )
2. social (got a criminal record? good luck with employment & voting!)

Its much like the bitches who enjoy watching one of their number get knocked up: When a ReichWinger sees bad things happen to Other People... they get a rush of personal satisfaction...

...personal 'pride' (haha! I'm smarter than YOU, I know the RULES & how to break them & not get CAUGHT OUT!)
...personal 'vindication' (Who did that BITCH think she was?! fuck that bitch!)
...PERSONAL ADVANCEMENT (fuck that bitch! try influencing your way through the World with your tits when you've got a brat dangling off one of them! less COMPETITION FOR MEEEEEEE)

let's be honest, these are the folks who think shoving someone down a flight of stairs is 'strong gameplay' to get what you want!

They don't give a fuck about their neighbours: these people are amoral xenophobic narcissists



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take a reality pill you fascists pt 1
Posted by: streetway1 on Jul 20, 2009 3:24 PM   
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Well, I suppose this is a good example of the ignorance out there. What 'health problems' associated with marijuana use? There are none. There is no such thing as an overdose. No one has ever died or been harmed from using marijuana, except for the legal considerations.

Morality? How does anyone think they are holy enough to dictate morality to any other person? People should mind their own business. Freedom of every individual to believe and practice whatever doesn't harm anyone else must become universal.(America, land of the free? Home of the Brave? what are you afraid of? someone else might enjoy their life more than you do?)

Don't take my word for it, do your own research.

It seems so simple doesn't it? Just try telling people. Not even a Senate committee can make them listen.

"The continued PROHIBITION of cannabis jeopardizes the health and well-being of Canadians MUCH MORE than does the substance itself."

• Senate Special Committee on Illegal Drugs, 2002

In Canada, Prohibition is actually illegal here, as it is contrary to our Guaranteed rights and freedoms under the Constitution Act. We need to get prohibition repealed, but so many are employed in enforcement, incarceration, and the legal and social system, that there is a huge vested interest in maintaining the Status Quo. Although these types of employment consume the GDP, they add nothing to it, just shuffle around values created by others, including, ironically, the very marijuana producers they oppose. Commercialization of the industry is necessary to create jobs and rebuild the economy. Not some Big Tobacco like monstrosity, but licenced growers in a cottage industry, each distributing their brand through beer stores and liquor stores to avoid sales to minors. We can eliminate every argument against legal marijuana, as long as we tell the truth, are reasonable, patient, persistent, and far more gracious that the prohibitionists. We must break it to them that we have already won!

Marijuana is not a narcotic, for one thing, so the Canadian Narcotics Control Act has been updated to move it to another department, but everything stayed the same even after the government had to recognize that. This is how they keep moving the goal posts to make it harder for us to score. I figure we should stick to our guns and ORDER our representatives to work to repeal unjust, illegal prohibition.

The 'superpot' thing that American political moron was touting is BULL. More THC is no big deal. There is no such thing as an overdose as there is with alcohol. Like whiskey to beer, you just need less. Even in LARGE doses is still far safer than even a little alcohol

We could bring to their attention the fact that unlike the tar in tobacco that sticks to your lungs and carries all sorts of carcinogens and causes cancer in 50% of users, the tar in cannabis smoke globulates in liquid, as anyone who has ever cleaned weed oil vials can attest to, it gathers together in a liquid. In fact, as it peels off your lung liner it is taking free radicals and other toxins with them as they are expirated naturally from the lungs. In fact, Cannabis may be saving the lives of many who smoke both.

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.......pt2
Posted by: streetway1 on Jul 20, 2009 3:26 PM   
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The Status quo generates so much inertia to slow or prevent change...wouldn't it be nice if all those could have jobs that actually contributed value to society instead of being paid out of the values generated by others. None of those people produce any good or commodity, (which is what the GDP consists of) marijuana growers, on the other hand produce billions of dollars for the global economy every year, even if it an underground economy it fuels the 'legitimate' economy too. Unfortunately, the 'prison industrial complex' consumes even more values than their counterparts produce. The congressman is part and defender of the former. (our) Ignorance is (their) strength. Less (freedom we have) is More (power they have)

The vested interest thing goes both ways. If we are successful, I feel I would stabbing the great people who have supplied me with the very best top of the line Bud, in the back. They would have to declare taxes, pay for licensing, hire accountants, pay cpp etc. to employees, be subject to inspections etc. A nightmare for them. They want to keep things the way they are.

Truth could cost the fascists of the 'prison industrial complex’, (where people are a raw material) their jobs, they fear the Truth. They fear those who speak it. Fear often causes violent reactions. Arresting and jailing cannabis users is a violence to them and their families. They harm no one with their beliefs and practices. Prison guard unions and police associations, lawmakers, (most of them lawyers), have a huge vested interest in the status quo. This ought to preclude them from participating in prohibitionist activities, as it constitutes what is legally termed "conflict of interest". If anyone still cares about Truth and justice anyway. Whatever happened to loving ones neighbor? Does that become irrelevant when you swear an oath of office? Why does breaking down Constitutionally GUARANTEED fundamental freedoms, passing laws to circumvent the Constitution become accepted by the very population they are sworn to protect and serve?

(Our Constitution Act clearly defines what laws are legal to pass as those which, "can be DEMONSTRABLY JUSTIFIED IN A FREE AND DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY.") there is not and has never been any demonstrable justification for prohibition to exist. Not only do we want prohibition repealed, we want those individuals harmed through the unlawful enforcement of unjust and illegal laws to be compensated. The government itself is guilty of using an illegal law to oppress it's own citizens, creating a second class of citizen which is merely "prison fodder" to employ prison guards, police, lawyers and social workers etc.

Mothers against Drunk Driving (MADD) is a very powerful yet profoundly misinformed lobby. Marijuana DOES NOT IMPAIR as alcohol does. There is no such thing as an overdose of marijuana, marijuana is NOT a narcotic or addictive substance. MADD squawks about the fact if Marijuana is legal, people might drive high. Newsflash ladies, they already do. While it is inevitable that there will be marijuana at the scene, and marijuana users will be in accidents just like non users, there is no evidence that users are involved in more accidents per capita than non users. The same is not true of alcohol or many prescription drugs used legally. If a demonstration is required I will happily volunteer to be a test subject, smoke two joints for each beer the other driver has, I guarantee I will still score better than the other two on an obstacle course. Even after 35 years of daily use. The Olympic Committee is right. It IS a 'performance enhancing substance'.

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.....pt 3
Posted by: streetway1 on Jul 20, 2009 3:28 PM   
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I started smoking joints when I was thirteen. Being a kid, and not knowing any better, it led to more dangerous substances such as alcohol and tobacco. It took me 25 years to become tobacco free. (10 yrs now) As a mentally ill youngster, (severe bipolar disorder), I discovered that marijuana enabled me to function on a higher level. (I have a genius IQ, yet was extremely sensitive and socially retarded). I am currently prescribed very high doses of lithium and quetiapine, which leaves me pretty much useless for 12hrs/day. Marijuana allows my to use much, much less of the prescribed meds saving me from extreme kidney pain from accumulated lithium in my system. Marijuana is of great health benefit to me, however I do not lobby much for medical marijuana as there is so much ignorance and prejudice educated into physicians. Freedom of every individual to believe and practice whatever doesn't harm anyone else must become universal, whether you have a prescription or not. Why would I ask for anyone’s permission or approval to do what I need to do?

Besides all that, they shouldn't call it 'dope, it's a misnomer. It makes it sound as if we are dumb and stupid for smoking it, when in fact the opposite has proven to be the case. The average marijuana user is far more erudite and enlightened than the average ignoramus in journalism school.

I thought freedom of religion was a guaranteed right in America. Personally, I believe that when Moses saw the 'Burning Bush', that was burned yet not consumed, I believe he inhaled. I had a bush that burned for years, one joint at a time, yet was not consumed. On his next trip up the mountain to the patch, while Israel waited below, God so enlightened him he came down with the Tablets, got grumpy and broke them and went back for more. The tree that produces so many fruits on a monthly basis, could have no other than the one we have today. The 'leaves of the trees are for the healing of the nations', get it? The joints the apostles were smoking 50 days after Jesus was busted watering the garden of Gethsemene with his tears, must have looked like 'tongues of fire' to one who never seen one before. There are many other examples, but frankincense is a favorite. Considered worthy to be a gift to a king. What do you think they made temple incense from, anyway? I am a student of theology and an ordained minister, I do not wish to offend, but enlighten.

STAND UP FOR YOU RIGHTS America. Don't accept persecution from the ignorant and malicious. Be Free to use or not as you decide for yourself. Refuse to be dictated to by people who are ignorant, have never tried it, and probably still look for the Boogeymay under their beds every night. I just do not get why some feel it necessary to prevent others from enjoyment of their lives. Don’t let them do it to you.

Bonne chance, God bless

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