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This Is Your Country on Drugs: How the DARE Generation Got High
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The following is an excerpt from Ryan Grim's new book, "This Is Your Country on Drugs: The Secret History of Getting High in America (Wiley, 2009).
In the summer of 1999, the sixties generation celebrated itself by throwing a concert to mark Woodstock’s thirtieth anniversary. The do-over event was organized by the same ponytailed businessman who’d put the first one together, and typical of something organized by an aging boomer, it was a corporate shit show. Pizza sold for six dollars a slice, and in the middle of a heat wave, water cost four dollars for a tiny bottle. For those who couldn’t make it to the concert in upstate New York -- at a Superfund-listed former U.S. Air Force base -- the entire festival was available on pay-per-view.
More than 200,000 young people did show up, though. And unlike their gate-crashing parents, they paid $150 each to get in.
The sixties crowd might have lost their idealism somewhere along the way, but their children showed some antiestablishment -- or at least antisocial -- spirit on the last day of the festival, breaking into a riot, setting fires, looting vendor booths and ATMs, and allegedly raping four female concertgoers.
It’s a notorious instance of the way that boomers’ children simultaneously embraced and rejected the mythology of the sixties. A less-well-known manifestation of that attitude involves those kids’ drug use: during the mid- to late nineties, American teens got as high as any group of young folks since the seventies, right under the noses of the people who had kicked off the last national indulgence.
For most of American history, drug-use trends among younger and older people have moved roughly in harmony -- if not to the same degree, then at least in the same direction. The late sixties were an exception: use rose first among college students and then increased among high schoolers and the rest of the country. Since then, young people have been the leading indicator of drug trends.
The next deviation was in the nineties. In 1991, eighth-graders, according to their answers to the University of Michigan Monitoring the Future survey category concerning "any illicit drug," started getting high more often. But no other segment of the population did. The next year, eighth-, tenth-, and twelfth-graders all showed increases in use, while college-student and adult use remained largely flat. The trend continued over the next few years, as middle- and high-school students continued to show more drug use while older groups’ use remained steady.
By 1996, tenth-graders were doing more drugs than their adult counterparts. In 1997, their use equaled that of college students; by 1998, it had eclipsed college-age use. The wave broke that year, as eighth-graders finally reported a decline in drug use. As those younger kids grew up, they took their temperate ways with them, and at the very end of the decade, use among tenth- and twelfth-graders took a downturn. By 2004, tenth-graders were once again using drugs less often than college students and adults. The party didn’t completely die down, however: Twelfth-grade use, even while eighth- and tenth-grade use fell, stayed roughly constant.
The Michigan researchers who first noticed the trend call it a "cohort effect." The pattern is clearly visible moving through the charts over time. Take cocaine use: among eighth-graders, it rose from 1991 to 1998; among tenth- and twelfth-graders, from 1992 until 1999; among college students, beginning in 1994; and among young adults, starting in 1996. Clearly, these are the same people doing coke.
Understanding why begins with recognizing that the survey numbers are only a partial reflection of the reality of drug distribution and consumption.
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If the availability and price of a drug are constant yet its use goes up or down, it means that a couple of different things could be happening. Perhaps a new drug has hit the streets and has begun to corner the market on a particular kind of high. Or maybe the change isn’t economic but cultural, with changes in use reflecting new levels of approval or disapproval for a certain substance.
The forces that drive these phenomena can be captured only roughly by the Michigan survey, which asked kids about their personal disapproval of using a drug even once, and about the amount of perceived risk associated with taking a drug. If an antidrug campaign actually works, surveys should first show attitudes hardening against the drug, then a decline in its use. In a pro-drug environment, attitudes will soften -- users will see less risk in trying a drug once and will disapprove of it less -- and then, a few years later, use will predictably rise.
The survey also measures "perceived availability," which can affect drug trends as well. Many younger users, studies have shown, get their drugs from other casual users, rather than from a specific dealer. So when there are more casual users of a drug, there are more sources for other casual users. As use declines, those sources disappear and the trend feeds on itself, further bringing use down. When use of a drug goes down among a group of casual users, perceived availability follows it. However, if perceived availability declines at the same time as, or before, a registered drop in use, then the reduction is probably supply- rather than demand-driven.
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Posted by: kittybud420 on Jul 6, 2009 2:17 AM
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By abundant experience human beings enjoy getting high. Most are not interested in quitting.
The idea that young folks are instructed by these DARE officers to keep their eyes peeled for dope and then turn in the "perp", even if it's their own mom and dad is giving them the wrong message. Like the young man said he thought his parents would be told that drugs are bad not that they'd be arrested.In some situations "snitching" someone out could be a life changing action. This is not the message I would want taught to my child.
In a related matter, kids now prefer to take prescription opiates and other pills because most of them eliminate quickly from the body. You know~ those drug tests that are supposed to keep kids "clean" by threatening their participation in after school activities. Hey, that makes great sense too! Let's take the best most character building part of the school experience and tie it in with drug use.
Whatever we're doing it's certainly not the right thing to stem drug use from anyone. This War on Drugs has been going on an awfully long time. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting the results to be different. Why is that so hard for America to understand?
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Posted by: Don Quixot on Jul 6, 2009 2:59 AM
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Posted by: PJAW on Jul 6, 2009 3:30 AM
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Whatever. The point is that we humans have an innate desire to change our perspective periodically, and will employ a variety of substances and technologies to achieve that end. Most commonly, with most humans, this is an intermittent though perhaps ritualized quest. With some, however, this quest becomes the dominant force in our lives. I suppose such persons are what is described as "addictive personalities" and when an addictive personality encounters a genuinely addictive substance, unfortunate results can, and often do, ensue.
Petroleum is one such substance. We have developed a vast array of technologies for using the stuff to "get high". Uses range from pharmaceuticals, designed for direct ingestion into our bodies, to exotic transport mechanisms that shine and glitter and make intriguing sounds and carry us rapidly over the surface of the earth. Initially, our use of it was probably to accomplish more "work", and ease our daily burden. That quickly changed and it is now used more for recreational and entertainement purposes than for necessities.
Wanna know what a junkie looks like? Look around. (I try to avoid mirrors and recommend you do the same unless you're really interested in getting straight) And remember, "denial" is one of the major components of addiction. Listen closely to the "explanations" we all offer to justify our personal dependence on and use of this substance, as though it's pefectly "normal". In truth our current relationship with petroleum is approximately 100 years out of our total history on this planet.
Anyone know where I can cop a couple gallons, gotta get to the office and run my game. Dig ya later.
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Posted by: aahpat on Jul 6, 2009 4:27 AM
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This authoritarianism isn't working.
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Posted by: aahpat on Jul 6, 2009 4:44 AM
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For thousands of generations there have been discrete areas around the world where people had an affinity for one intoxicant or another. The wine making regions of France. The beer brewers of Germany. The marijuana smoke of Mexico, Central, South America and much of Asia. The hashish of central Asia and the Middle East. Opium through the same regions.
In each of these instances there have been multi-generational consuming patterns that have, in time, impacted the gene pool of those regions. Ten generations of wine growers or pot smokers will impact the gene pool of that community. As populations naturally disseminate around the globe they take with them their regional genetic distinctions. Hair color. Skin pigment. Intoxicant preferences. Over time the distinctions dilute within populations so that some people are less susceptible to and some people are more susceptible to being driven by their individual genetic inheritance.
Compound this human genetic condition with a natural affinity that the human body has for identifying natural pain relief and pleasure stimulation and you have a human condition that goes far beyond any DARE generation or baby boomer silliness.
An affinity for intoxication is as natural as masturbation. It is the human condition. Intoxicating is as natural as being human.
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Posted by: shill on Jul 6, 2009 4:50 AM
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a. on stuff that does not do what it is supposed to do
b. in order to tell us what to do with our own bodies and therefore "save" us from ourselves.
It should be scrapped.
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Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN on Jul 6, 2009 5:08 AM
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HAHAHAHAHAHA
THAT is total bullshit.
Cops are ABSOLUTELY UNTRUSTWORTHY.
People in the REAL world KNOW they lie on the stand, are NOT your friends, are NOT there to help anyone other than themselves, etc, etc, ad infinitum.
And the poor kid who was sucked in my them thinking they were there to help and NOT arrest their parents?
What did THAT kid learn?
You're damn right!!
He learned the truth about going to the goddamn cops for help.
HELP is NOT what they do.
BTW-I've been clean & sober for over 26 years.
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Posted by: Bruce-Man-Do on Jul 6, 2009 6:02 AM
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Posted by: Don Macleay on Jul 6, 2009 6:36 AM
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"The do-over event was organized by the same ponytailed businessman who’d put the first one together, and typical of something organized by an aging boomer, it was a corporate shit show"
Is there any reason to believe that this generation of Americans is really any different than the last when it comes to money grubbing, corporate culture and going with the high cost flow the the economy? For that matter is there any difference in the arrogance of this generation thinking that it is better that the one before it?
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Posted by: pj1fwb on Jul 6, 2009 6:49 AM
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Posted by: sherry on Jul 6, 2009 7:25 AM
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Posted by: Atheistno1 on Jul 6, 2009 7:36 AM
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To know the times & the social attitudes that were the norms at the time, one had to live it & listen to the Rock/Pop at the time, or be taught through social acceptance. As each generation of Modernists, Punk & then Hip Hop came through the social networks of society, each group or 'gang' thought they were tougher or 'cooler' than the last & took things to a next level.
Those of us who were, or are parents, brought our children up with an understanding & the full support of parental guidance, knowing that 'fashions' change & kids will be kids, full of influential impressions. Making sure that the local doo good-er didn't stick their beak in & psychologically fuck our children up & destroy the hard work that deterred them from straying down the wrong path & into addiction, or even worse, death.
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Posted by: leafsong1 on Jul 6, 2009 7:39 AM
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Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Jul 6, 2009 11:13 AM
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There is a concerted effort by our "authorities" to get everyone thrown into "the system", whether it be the legal system, the prison system, welfare system, etc.!
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Posted by: John Brown on Jul 6, 2009 11:28 AM
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» DARE is great. Kids need to learn cops are liars. Teachers, too.
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Posted by: stellabloo on Jul 6, 2009 1:10 PM
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Yes, Woodstock '99 was a sellout to crass commercialism but - guess what - there were no riots. The real story comes from a friend of mine, who was the supervising sound engineer on the main stage and saw the whole thing.
Yes, sanitary facilities were poorly organized and most of the food sold was overpackaged junk food. By the last show there was garbage everywhere. Then it began to rain and some kids got the idea of burning garbage to stay warm. Soon there were several little garbage fires and one was lit too close to a cooktent and a propane tank. Then there was an explosion. Then the National Guard showed up in riot gear and the newspapers talked about riots because it sounds sensational and it made it easier to blame the kids instead of the concert organizers.
So you start with one poorly researched story and spin it as the prime example for a vague and poorly expressed point (kids need D.A.R.E. or they will take drugs and riot?) - guess what - I am not motivated to buy the book.
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Posted by: doctorsquared on Jul 6, 2009 3:54 PM
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...Fast forward five or ten years, and I then recall someone getting baked on bong rips at a party wearing the iconic black DARE T-shirt.
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Posted by: Malou on Jul 6, 2009 4:41 PM
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Posted by: chariotdrvr14 on Jul 6, 2009 4:58 PM
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I remember at the time various Woodstock luminaries cited the negative messages of the bands playing... few admitted to the gross MTV/corporate greed that in that kind of heat sought to exploit hunger and thirst while catering to youth culture and wound up being violently rejected.
Sorry to hear about the rapes... that's messed up.
But none of it had anything to with drug use and any inference that it did is over-simplified nonsense.
As for DARE... who cares?!
It's just as effective as all those abstinence programs foisted upon young people.
The social realities that surround most kids (and yes, drug availability) have far more bearing upon the appeal of drugs (and what kind of drugs) to school kids.
All the stats in the world aren't going to help you predict drug use trends. Too many variables and x factors... like wars' influence, or the gov't flooding poor neighborhoods with heroine just to pacify restless inhabitants, or massive unemployment.
Create a society of social justice and the need for anaesthetics will be far less.
Btw, ever notice the more society tries to exert control over its young the more they lose it?
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Posted by: ATH on Jul 6, 2009 5:55 PM
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Then, sometimes they hear the "good old "protect and serve (or kick your head in the ground, kill you, or strip-search you)police man tell them how pot is this evil drug that will make you insane and commit crimes, etc. and then they try it and realize it's relatively harmless, and then they never believe their parents or cops again, even when you tell them something true, like, methamphetamine is one of the most dangerous and destructive drugs around. But instead we have idiots like Bush's Drug Czar, who said that "marijuana was the most dangerous drug of all, even more than heroin." !!! I wonder how many minors over-dosed becuse of that evil, politically driven lie.
I'm not saying I think minors should smoke cannabis. I think everyone should refrain until at least 18. I started smoking when I was 17, and I'll debate anyone and prove that it has not negatively affected my ability to reason, imagine, or think critically. But I was blessed with a good brain, and I started reading at an early age. Cannabis is not good for the developing brain, and the brain keeps devloping until between 18 and 24 years of age, depending on whom you ask.
But, if I had a choice between a minor consuming mass amounts of alcohol compared to mass amounts of cannabis, I would choose the latter. 50,000 people die from alcohol related promblems each year--and that's not counting car accidents. Cannabis has been used for over 10,000 years by man, and there is no report since records have been kept of anyone dying due to cannabis use. Some people might smoke too much and think they're going to die (lol), but it's never actually happened.
But if we want to keep our kids off all drugs until they're at least 18, we need to stop this "tough love" and "just say no" crap and tell them the truth: that all humans, and animals too seek to alter their consciousness. In fact, that's how man learned which plants were poisonous, which were healing, and which would cause you to start actin' all funny. This is the simple truth. When we de-mystify drugs, and be honest with our kids, we may not prevent all use, but it will decline, and when you tell them the truth--that marijuana is not that dangerous, but that it could possibly slow the development of their brains and be dangerous, we will regain their trust, and will believe us when we do get serious about the truly dangerous drugs, like heroin and methamphetamine. Children are far more intelligent than we give them credit for being, and although every child is different, I think a more honest, non-hypocritical approach will not only prevent early use of all drugs, but that--most importantly--it will save our children from the needless overdoses on dangerous drugs because they tried them because we said cannabis was this horrible drug, they tried it, and found out we were lying; and then they hear the Drug Czar say "marijuana is more dangerous than heroin" and they think--well, it must not be that bad! Instead if they knew about the drug, and the tiny amount it takes to overdose, and how drugs like Xanax will increase that risk, we would have a lot less deaths! If it came down to it, I would rather have my kid alive and smoking a little pot, than dead from a heroin overdose. But, like I said, I think an honest approach would lead to less drug use over-all.
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Posted by: the director on Jul 6, 2009 6:45 PM
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in 1975 the FDA approved of direct marketing of prescription drugs on the Tube and in the press.
How does that alter your premise.
DARE taught kids about drugs, but did not remove the reasons why kids take drugs. Our country is on Drugs.
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Posted by: DaBear on Jul 6, 2009 11:15 PM
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Innoculation is like abstinence only, it's all about the grup trying to program kids in accordance with that grup's paranoid fears and irrational fundamentalism.
It's the 21st century and we got science and weed. Get over it.
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Posted by: ruruben on Jul 7, 2009 2:18 AM
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Posted by: UnEasyOne on Jul 7, 2009 4:34 AM
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It was all about the evils of communism. I remember being struck by what I considered the most horrible part: Those terrible authoritarian commies got kids to snitch on their parents.
MJ use is a political crime, period. Everyone in jail for it's sale or use is a political prisoner. And DARE teaches kids to snitch on their parents.
That may be the only recorded case of me agreeing with J. Edger. The bastards who get kids to snitch on their parents are evil and they are traitors to everything America is supposed to stand for.
Hell of it is, the right still loves this horrible program - and no one has the guts to kill it.
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Posted by: kettleblack on Jul 7, 2009 7:25 AM
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Every war has two sides. THEY put US on the other side.
When THEY declared a war on drugs, who turns out to be the suspects (i.e. enemies)? The rest of us. Every one of us is a potential drug addict, so welcome to the police state.
So, now, how can we trust the cops when they view US as the enemy?
How can we trust the same self-declared enemy to have our best interests in mind?
Especially when their agenda is not fueled by science and fact, but by ideology and lies.
These are our authority figures. Do they know that they are undermining their own credibility?
Cops used to be citizens, too, at one time.
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Posted by: sgtstan on Jul 7, 2009 11:05 AM
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DARE's core idea was to provide a unified front of parents, teachers and cops against the misuse of drugs and violence. Can we guess where the breakdown is? One of the first steps of DARE was to organize an assembly for parents to explain and discuss the program, and let parents decide if their children would participate. I never did this, because the officers that I replaced (and the schools) told me they could never get parents to attend. This is not to say parents don’t care, but simply trust their schools to make good curriculum choices. But each child had to return a signed permission form, with my name and phone on it, before ever listening to my talks.
The DARE curriculum, in my opinion, was a bit too stilted, conservative, and, in relation to drugs, too short and often inaccurate due to slanted implications. But never more inaccurate than casual opposing information "on the street." I admit that I altered the curriculum to address things the way that I felt comfortable, expanding what I thought important and interesting, and seriously compressing or skipping the dull. I learned long ago the best way to alienate a kid was to lie, so if it wasn’t true to my knowledge or study, it wasn’t said; or it was refuted and explained. I gave a lot of 'technical' drug info with the intention of rubbing some of the gloss and glamour away.
I never promised that DARE would keep your son or daughter from taking a drink or smoking a cigarette. (And we certainly did discuss the reasons people do these things.) What the program did do was stimulate children to ask questions of their parents, teachers and peers about what has become a widespread assumption: everybody does it. It hopefully helped kids see that people in authority, like cops, are just people who can be held to answer questions and explain their views.
The problem with DARE was the public’s assumption that such education could, in a fell swoop, eliminate drug use from an entire generation. Follow-up surveys to DARE always include: "have you ever used an illegal drug" or "have you ever smoked a cigarette" or "have you ever drank an alcoholic beverage" questions. If a kid answered "yes" to any of these, the program is deemed to have failed him/her.
Why? For some reason, this and other programs are considered failures if they do not result in an absolute quantifiable behavioral limitation. Do we hold the same standard for other educational programs? I took four years of high school and college Spanish, yet can not speak Spanish today. Are those classes considered failures? What about your algebra classes? Can you recite the quadratic formula right now?
DARE failed to live up to our, and perhaps its own, totally unrealistic expectations. But I truly enjoyed being a part of it, saw that kids also enjoyed and even learned from it, and can claim a personal satisfaction when a previous ‘student’ sees me in a restaurant or store and says, "Hey, weren’t you that funny guy that taught DARE?"
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Posted by: sgtstan on Jul 7, 2009 11:49 AM
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A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, and always has been. We teach anything with the hope for beneficial results. Are some of those who post here saying that we should stop teaching science because someone might build a bomb? Ridiculous.
I attended a lecture by a clinical psychologist who stated, "If there is a substance for man to abuse, he will abuse it." I believe this to be true. Perhaps we are self-destructive, perhaps simply unable to rationally cope with our own existence. Whatever the reason, I want my kids to have the most accurate and honest information about those substances before they ever have the opportunity to decide whether or not to put them into their body.
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Posted by: aahpat on Jul 7, 2009 2:32 PM
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Individually, the Libertarians, Green Party and Nader Independents are dismissible as fringe. Together, on a single issue, they are a voter block. A discernible constituency.
The long term value to each group of being a partner in getting a major policy crafted with their coalition input is immeasurable. As a voting and activist coalition going into the 2010 elections the Democrats will listen to them.
The one policy that Libertarians, the Green Party and Nader Independents all agree upon is ending the war on drugs. The immediate opportunity would be for the coalition to activate members to lobby their U.S. senators to co-sponsor Democrat Jim Webb's S-714, a bill to create a national criminal justice commission. Webb's characterizes the commission as putting everything related to America's failed criminal justice system on the table for critical analysis and review. Even legalization of marijuana.
Webb's S-714
Tally Sheet of 29 senator co-sponsors
Bringing a third party and Independent coalition together on a single issue will educate the two dominance parties to the power of listening to and working with third parties and Independents. Rather than the stone wall that they put up today.
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Posted by: humblesound on Jul 8, 2009 2:18 AM
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Yet, for reasons that would require a few pages to explain, and Despite being drug free, and being widely known as the kid who was more 'out there' than everyone else yet didn't touch their low quality Jr. High weed, I have a criminal record for something that happened in the 8th grade.
Incredibly long story short- I came into contact with someone elses drugs [tiny, marble sized mashed up ball of some boys weed in a plastic baggie] dropped at my feet in the middle of a class. As was instructed by the DARE officers, I could turn in any suspicious items found, no question asked, so I placed it in my pocket and proceeded to walk to the office.
On my way, I both saw the boy whose drugs they were getting the shit beat out of him, and had an instant
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Yet, for reasons that would require a few pages to explain, and Despite being drug free, and being widely known as the kid who was more 'out there' than everyone else yet didn't touch their low quality Jr. High weed, I have a criminal record for something that happened in the 8th grade.
Incredibly long story short- I came into contact with someone elses drugs [tiny, marble sized mashed up ball of some boys weed in a plastic baggie] dropped at my feet in the middle of a class. As was instructed by the DARE officers, I could turn in any suspicious items found, no question asked, so I placed it in my pocket and proceeded to walk to the office.
On my way, I both saw the boy whose drugs they were getting the shit beat out of him, and had an instant wave of every unrealistic hyperbole riddled fear mongering horror story told to me in DARE come back to me: these were drug people... they could do anything, they could have anything- guns, knives, anything.
So of course, I freaked the fuck out, kept it in my pocket, got it found out, and was booked on possession as a 13 year old.
DARE is fucked up, and while over 10 years later I still have no interest in getting my toes wet with illicit substances, I want so badly to see drug laws reformed.
Because yes, innocent people are getting seriously screwed over by our current approach.
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Posted by: xmvince on Jul 8, 2009 1:16 PM
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People love mysterious things and want to experience the drugs on a personal level to try and formulate their own opinions of the drugs or life itself.
Only when you stop for a minute and take a deep breath will you truly enjoy the fresh air. Our busy lives keep us separated from that eternal happiness and only when you bring down the barriers and open up can you truly see how wonderful and alive you are!
The body and mind are amazing gifts and drugs are a way to experiment with them and learn about yourself and the world. Drugs aren't bad - we are made out of drugs. To say they are dangerous is to say life itself is dangerous, which we all know is true. Prohibition is a waste of time and money and is taking away freedom from people all over.
It's time for an end to this madness. We are adults and we pay taxes. The government should start treating us like adults and realize that taking away people's freedom for a personal decision they rightfully made is unethical, immoral, ignorant, and insulting!
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Posted by: woofadoof on Jul 9, 2009 4:05 AM
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Daryl Gates, Hmmmmmm, this should give plenty of room for eye brows to be raised! And now, to make the eyes pop out of thier sockets Betty Sembler. From DARES own site,
"The DEA Museum Foundation is honoring Mrs. Betty Sembler today with its 2008 Lifetime Achievement Award in Washington, DC in recognition of her thirty years of leadership and commitment to fighting drug abuse and drug addiction through her international support of law enforcement, treatment and education/prevention efforts.
Mrs. Sembler actively participated in the White House Conference for a Drug Free America, the Governor’s Drug Policy Task Force in Florida and helped establish nonprofit drug treatment programs across the U.S. She is the founder and president of Drug Free America Foundation and Save Our Society From Drugs (S.O.S.). She is currently the vice-chairperson of D.A.R.E. International and serves on the Florida National Guard Multijurisdictional Counterdrug Training Advisory Board. Accompanying her husband on his missions to Australia and Italy as United States Ambassador, she has constantly stood for sound drug policy and a drug free lifestyle for over thirty years.
The DEA Museum Foundation is an independent, nonprofit organization dedicated to supporting the mission of the DEA Museum and Visitors Center in Arlington, VA. This public/private partnership serves to educate the American public on the long, complex and tragic history of drugs in America, and on the many costs and consequences of drug use on our society.
Congratulations from the entire DARE family!'
Betty Sembler and her husband Mel Sembler are the cretins behind so much of this. Mel Sembler started Straight Inc (do your research). Straight was closed down, as it's predessesor The Seed, which the Semblers son Brent was in.
After Straight Inc, the Semblers started DFAF, Drug Free America Foundation, and now want thier agenda to be wordwide. These elitists are out of control. Read this article on Mel Sembler, see what a snake he is
http://www.alternet.org/story/27725/?page=entire
I am a survivor of Straight Inc. This was before the DARE program. The damages range from self esteem issues to destroyed family, distrust of most things human and cynical outlook at any 12th step wish craft.
If the Drug War can not be won honestly, with intergety these folks will do all in thier power to push thier agenda. Which makes the DARE program just another "pawn" in thier plan.
Investigate, Betty Sembler and Mel Sembler. Look at thier associations with the Bush clan. Knowing the Jewish family of the Semblers have no problem locking up youth for up to 4 years for suspected drug use...I just think it's ironic, Betty Sembler, and her involvement in the Holocaust Museum in St. Pete Florida has no problem creating essentually prison camps, gulags for children for profit, fame, notarity and favor. After all Mel Sembler got his Ambassadorships to Italy and Australia because of his efforts in starting Straight Inc. With the Reagan administrations blessing, which began Nancy Reagans infamious quote...."Just say No!"
The elitists will destroy this country if they are not kept in check.
Sickening!
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Posted by: kittybud420 on Jul 6, 2009 2:17 AM
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By abundant experience human beings enjoy getting high. Most are not interested in quitting.
The idea that young folks are instructed by these DARE officers to keep their eyes peeled for dope and then turn in the "perp", even if it's their own mom and dad is giving them the wrong message. Like the young man said he thought his parents would be told that drugs are bad not that they'd be arrested.In some situations "snitching" someone out could be a life changing action. This is not the message I would want taught to my child.
In a related matter, kids now prefer to take prescription opiates and other pills because most of them eliminate quickly from the body. You know~ those drug tests that are supposed to keep kids "clean" by threatening their participation in after school activities. Hey, that makes great sense too! Let's take the best most character building part of the school experience and tie it in with drug use.
Whatever we're doing it's certainly not the right thing to stem drug use from anyone. This War on Drugs has been going on an awfully long time. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting the results to be different. Why is that so hard for America to understand?
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Posted by: Don Quixot on Jul 6, 2009 2:59 AM
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Posted by: PJAW on Jul 6, 2009 3:30 AM
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Whatever. The point is that we humans have an innate desire to change our perspective periodically, and will employ a variety of substances and technologies to achieve that end. Most commonly, with most humans, this is an intermittent though perhaps ritualized quest. With some, however, this quest becomes the dominant force in our lives. I suppose such persons are what is described as "addictive personalities" and when an addictive personality encounters a genuinely addictive substance, unfortunate results can, and often do, ensue.
Petroleum is one such substance. We have developed a vast array of technologies for using the stuff to "get high". Uses range from pharmaceuticals, designed for direct ingestion into our bodies, to exotic transport mechanisms that shine and glitter and make intriguing sounds and carry us rapidly over the surface of the earth. Initially, our use of it was probably to accomplish more "work", and ease our daily burden. That quickly changed and it is now used more for recreational and entertainement purposes than for necessities.
Wanna know what a junkie looks like? Look around. (I try to avoid mirrors and recommend you do the same unless you're really interested in getting straight) And remember, "denial" is one of the major components of addiction. Listen closely to the "explanations" we all offer to justify our personal dependence on and use of this substance, as though it's pefectly "normal". In truth our current relationship with petroleum is approximately 100 years out of our total history on this planet.
Anyone know where I can cop a couple gallons, gotta get to the office and run my game. Dig ya later.
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Posted by: aahpat on Jul 6, 2009 4:27 AM
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This authoritarianism isn't working.
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Posted by: aahpat on Jul 6, 2009 4:44 AM
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For thousands of generations there have been discrete areas around the world where people had an affinity for one intoxicant or another. The wine making regions of France. The beer brewers of Germany. The marijuana smoke of Mexico, Central, South America and much of Asia. The hashish of central Asia and the Middle East. Opium through the same regions.
In each of these instances there have been multi-generational consuming patterns that have, in time, impacted the gene pool of those regions. Ten generations of wine growers or pot smokers will impact the gene pool of that community. As populations naturally disseminate around the globe they take with them their regional genetic distinctions. Hair color. Skin pigment. Intoxicant preferences. Over time the distinctions dilute within populations so that some people are less susceptible to and some people are more susceptible to being driven by their individual genetic inheritance.
Compound this human genetic condition with a natural affinity that the human body has for identifying natural pain relief and pleasure stimulation and you have a human condition that goes far beyond any DARE generation or baby boomer silliness.
An affinity for intoxication is as natural as masturbation. It is the human condition. Intoxicating is as natural as being human.
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Posted by: shill on Jul 6, 2009 4:50 AM
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a. on stuff that does not do what it is supposed to do
b. in order to tell us what to do with our own bodies and therefore "save" us from ourselves.
It should be scrapped.
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Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN on Jul 6, 2009 5:08 AM
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HAHAHAHAHAHA
THAT is total bullshit.
Cops are ABSOLUTELY UNTRUSTWORTHY.
People in the REAL world KNOW they lie on the stand, are NOT your friends, are NOT there to help anyone other than themselves, etc, etc, ad infinitum.
And the poor kid who was sucked in my them thinking they were there to help and NOT arrest their parents?
What did THAT kid learn?
You're damn right!!
He learned the truth about going to the goddamn cops for help.
HELP is NOT what they do.
BTW-I've been clean & sober for over 26 years.
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"The do-over event was organized by the same ponytailed businessman who’d put the first one together, and typical of something organized by an aging boomer, it was a corporate shit show"
Is there any reason to believe that this generation of Americans is really any different than the last when it comes to money grubbing, corporate culture and going with the high cost flow the the economy? For that matter is there any difference in the arrogance of this generation thinking that it is better that the one before it?
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Posted by: Atheistno1 on Jul 6, 2009 7:36 AM
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To know the times & the social attitudes that were the norms at the time, one had to live it & listen to the Rock/Pop at the time, or be taught through social acceptance. As each generation of Modernists, Punk & then Hip Hop came through the social networks of society, each group or 'gang' thought they were tougher or 'cooler' than the last & took things to a next level.
Those of us who were, or are parents, brought our children up with an understanding & the full support of parental guidance, knowing that 'fashions' change & kids will be kids, full of influential impressions. Making sure that the local doo good-er didn't stick their beak in & psychologically fuck our children up & destroy the hard work that deterred them from straying down the wrong path & into addiction, or even worse, death.
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There is a concerted effort by our "authorities" to get everyone thrown into "the system", whether it be the legal system, the prison system, welfare system, etc.!
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Yes, Woodstock '99 was a sellout to crass commercialism but - guess what - there were no riots. The real story comes from a friend of mine, who was the supervising sound engineer on the main stage and saw the whole thing.
Yes, sanitary facilities were poorly organized and most of the food sold was overpackaged junk food. By the last show there was garbage everywhere. Then it began to rain and some kids got the idea of burning garbage to stay warm. Soon there were several little garbage fires and one was lit too close to a cooktent and a propane tank. Then there was an explosion. Then the National Guard showed up in riot gear and the newspapers talked about riots because it sounds sensational and it made it easier to blame the kids instead of the concert organizers.
So you start with one poorly researched story and spin it as the prime example for a vague and poorly expressed point (kids need D.A.R.E. or they will take drugs and riot?) - guess what - I am not motivated to buy the book.
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...Fast forward five or ten years, and I then recall someone getting baked on bong rips at a party wearing the iconic black DARE T-shirt.
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Posted by: chariotdrvr14 on Jul 6, 2009 4:58 PM
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I remember at the time various Woodstock luminaries cited the negative messages of the bands playing... few admitted to the gross MTV/corporate greed that in that kind of heat sought to exploit hunger and thirst while catering to youth culture and wound up being violently rejected.
Sorry to hear about the rapes... that's messed up.
But none of it had anything to with drug use and any inference that it did is over-simplified nonsense.
As for DARE... who cares?!
It's just as effective as all those abstinence programs foisted upon young people.
The social realities that surround most kids (and yes, drug availability) have far more bearing upon the appeal of drugs (and what kind of drugs) to school kids.
All the stats in the world aren't going to help you predict drug use trends. Too many variables and x factors... like wars' influence, or the gov't flooding poor neighborhoods with heroine just to pacify restless inhabitants, or massive unemployment.
Create a society of social justice and the need for anaesthetics will be far less.
Btw, ever notice the more society tries to exert control over its young the more they lose it?
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Then, sometimes they hear the "good old "protect and serve (or kick your head in the ground, kill you, or strip-search you)police man tell them how pot is this evil drug that will make you insane and commit crimes, etc. and then they try it and realize it's relatively harmless, and then they never believe their parents or cops again, even when you tell them something true, like, methamphetamine is one of the most dangerous and destructive drugs around. But instead we have idiots like Bush's Drug Czar, who said that "marijuana was the most dangerous drug of all, even more than heroin." !!! I wonder how many minors over-dosed becuse of that evil, politically driven lie.
I'm not saying I think minors should smoke cannabis. I think everyone should refrain until at least 18. I started smoking when I was 17, and I'll debate anyone and prove that it has not negatively affected my ability to reason, imagine, or think critically. But I was blessed with a good brain, and I started reading at an early age. Cannabis is not good for the developing brain, and the brain keeps devloping until between 18 and 24 years of age, depending on whom you ask.
But, if I had a choice between a minor consuming mass amounts of alcohol compared to mass amounts of cannabis, I would choose the latter. 50,000 people die from alcohol related promblems each year--and that's not counting car accidents. Cannabis has been used for over 10,000 years by man, and there is no report since records have been kept of anyone dying due to cannabis use. Some people might smoke too much and think they're going to die (lol), but it's never actually happened.
But if we want to keep our kids off all drugs until they're at least 18, we need to stop this "tough love" and "just say no" crap and tell them the truth: that all humans, and animals too seek to alter their consciousness. In fact, that's how man learned which plants were poisonous, which were healing, and which would cause you to start actin' all funny. This is the simple truth. When we de-mystify drugs, and be honest with our kids, we may not prevent all use, but it will decline, and when you tell them the truth--that marijuana is not that dangerous, but that it could possibly slow the development of their brains and be dangerous, we will regain their trust, and will believe us when we do get serious about the truly dangerous drugs, like heroin and methamphetamine. Children are far more intelligent than we give them credit for being, and although every child is different, I think a more honest, non-hypocritical approach will not only prevent early use of all drugs, but that--most importantly--it will save our children from the needless overdoses on dangerous drugs because they tried them because we said cannabis was this horrible drug, they tried it, and found out we were lying; and then they hear the Drug Czar say "marijuana is more dangerous than heroin" and they think--well, it must not be that bad! Instead if they knew about the drug, and the tiny amount it takes to overdose, and how drugs like Xanax will increase that risk, we would have a lot less deaths! If it came down to it, I would rather have my kid alive and smoking a little pot, than dead from a heroin overdose. But, like I said, I think an honest approach would lead to less drug use over-all.
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Posted by: the director on Jul 6, 2009 6:45 PM
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in 1975 the FDA approved of direct marketing of prescription drugs on the Tube and in the press.
How does that alter your premise.
DARE taught kids about drugs, but did not remove the reasons why kids take drugs. Our country is on Drugs.
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Posted by: DaBear on Jul 6, 2009 11:15 PM
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Innoculation is like abstinence only, it's all about the grup trying to program kids in accordance with that grup's paranoid fears and irrational fundamentalism.
It's the 21st century and we got science and weed. Get over it.
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Posted by: UnEasyOne on Jul 7, 2009 4:34 AM
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It was all about the evils of communism. I remember being struck by what I considered the most horrible part: Those terrible authoritarian commies got kids to snitch on their parents.
MJ use is a political crime, period. Everyone in jail for it's sale or use is a political prisoner. And DARE teaches kids to snitch on their parents.
That may be the only recorded case of me agreeing with J. Edger. The bastards who get kids to snitch on their parents are evil and they are traitors to everything America is supposed to stand for.
Hell of it is, the right still loves this horrible program - and no one has the guts to kill it.
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Posted by: kettleblack on Jul 7, 2009 7:25 AM
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Every war has two sides. THEY put US on the other side.
When THEY declared a war on drugs, who turns out to be the suspects (i.e. enemies)? The rest of us. Every one of us is a potential drug addict, so welcome to the police state.
So, now, how can we trust the cops when they view US as the enemy?
How can we trust the same self-declared enemy to have our best interests in mind?
Especially when their agenda is not fueled by science and fact, but by ideology and lies.
These are our authority figures. Do they know that they are undermining their own credibility?
Cops used to be citizens, too, at one time.
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Posted by: sgtstan on Jul 7, 2009 11:05 AM
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DARE's core idea was to provide a unified front of parents, teachers and cops against the misuse of drugs and violence. Can we guess where the breakdown is? One of the first steps of DARE was to organize an assembly for parents to explain and discuss the program, and let parents decide if their children would participate. I never did this, because the officers that I replaced (and the schools) told me they could never get parents to attend. This is not to say parents don’t care, but simply trust their schools to make good curriculum choices. But each child had to return a signed permission form, with my name and phone on it, before ever listening to my talks.
The DARE curriculum, in my opinion, was a bit too stilted, conservative, and, in relation to drugs, too short and often inaccurate due to slanted implications. But never more inaccurate than casual opposing information "on the street." I admit that I altered the curriculum to address things the way that I felt comfortable, expanding what I thought important and interesting, and seriously compressing or skipping the dull. I learned long ago the best way to alienate a kid was to lie, so if it wasn’t true to my knowledge or study, it wasn’t said; or it was refuted and explained. I gave a lot of 'technical' drug info with the intention of rubbing some of the gloss and glamour away.
I never promised that DARE would keep your son or daughter from taking a drink or smoking a cigarette. (And we certainly did discuss the reasons people do these things.) What the program did do was stimulate children to ask questions of their parents, teachers and peers about what has become a widespread assumption: everybody does it. It hopefully helped kids see that people in authority, like cops, are just people who can be held to answer questions and explain their views.
The problem with DARE was the public’s assumption that such education could, in a fell swoop, eliminate drug use from an entire generation. Follow-up surveys to DARE always include: "have you ever used an illegal drug" or "have you ever smoked a cigarette" or "have you ever drank an alcoholic beverage" questions. If a kid answered "yes" to any of these, the program is deemed to have failed him/her.
Why? For some reason, this and other programs are considered failures if they do not result in an absolute quantifiable behavioral limitation. Do we hold the same standard for other educational programs? I took four years of high school and college Spanish, yet can not speak Spanish today. Are those classes considered failures? What about your algebra classes? Can you recite the quadratic formula right now?
DARE failed to live up to our, and perhaps its own, totally unrealistic expectations. But I truly enjoyed being a part of it, saw that kids also enjoyed and even learned from it, and can claim a personal satisfaction when a previous ‘student’ sees me in a restaurant or store and says, "Hey, weren’t you that funny guy that taught DARE?"
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Posted by: sgtstan on Jul 7, 2009 11:49 AM
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A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, and always has been. We teach anything with the hope for beneficial results. Are some of those who post here saying that we should stop teaching science because someone might build a bomb? Ridiculous.
I attended a lecture by a clinical psychologist who stated, "If there is a substance for man to abuse, he will abuse it." I believe this to be true. Perhaps we are self-destructive, perhaps simply unable to rationally cope with our own existence. Whatever the reason, I want my kids to have the most accurate and honest information about those substances before they ever have the opportunity to decide whether or not to put them into their body.
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Posted by: aahpat on Jul 7, 2009 2:32 PM
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Individually, the Libertarians, Green Party and Nader Independents are dismissible as fringe. Together, on a single issue, they are a voter block. A discernible constituency.
The long term value to each group of being a partner in getting a major policy crafted with their coalition input is immeasurable. As a voting and activist coalition going into the 2010 elections the Democrats will listen to them.
The one policy that Libertarians, the Green Party and Nader Independents all agree upon is ending the war on drugs. The immediate opportunity would be for the coalition to activate members to lobby their U.S. senators to co-sponsor Democrat Jim Webb's S-714, a bill to create a national criminal justice commission. Webb's characterizes the commission as putting everything related to America's failed criminal justice system on the table for critical analysis and review. Even legalization of marijuana.
Webb's S-714
Tally Sheet of 29 senator co-sponsors
Bringing a third party and Independent coalition together on a single issue will educate the two dominance parties to the power of listening to and working with third parties and Independents. Rather than the stone wall that they put up today.
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Posted by: humblesound on Jul 8, 2009 2:18 AM
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Yet, for reasons that would require a few pages to explain, and Despite being drug free, and being widely known as the kid who was more 'out there' than everyone else yet didn't touch their low quality Jr. High weed, I have a criminal record for something that happened in the 8th grade.
Incredibly long story short- I came into contact with someone elses drugs [tiny, marble sized mashed up ball of some boys weed in a plastic baggie] dropped at my feet in the middle of a class. As was instructed by the DARE officers, I could turn in any suspicious items found, no question asked, so I placed it in my pocket and proceeded to walk to the office.
On my way, I both saw the boy whose drugs they were getting the shit beat out of him, and had an instant
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Posted by: humblesound on Jul 8, 2009 2:19 AM
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Yet, for reasons that would require a few pages to explain, and Despite being drug free, and being widely known as the kid who was more 'out there' than everyone else yet didn't touch their low quality Jr. High weed, I have a criminal record for something that happened in the 8th grade.
Incredibly long story short- I came into contact with someone elses drugs [tiny, marble sized mashed up ball of some boys weed in a plastic baggie] dropped at my feet in the middle of a class. As was instructed by the DARE officers, I could turn in any suspicious items found, no question asked, so I placed it in my pocket and proceeded to walk to the office.
On my way, I both saw the boy whose drugs they were getting the shit beat out of him, and had an instant wave of every unrealistic hyperbole riddled fear mongering horror story told to me in DARE come back to me: these were drug people... they could do anything, they could have anything- guns, knives, anything.
So of course, I freaked the fuck out, kept it in my pocket, got it found out, and was booked on possession as a 13 year old.
DARE is fucked up, and while over 10 years later I still have no interest in getting my toes wet with illicit substances, I want so badly to see drug laws reformed.
Because yes, innocent people are getting seriously screwed over by our current approach.
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Posted by: xmvince on Jul 8, 2009 1:16 PM
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People love mysterious things and want to experience the drugs on a personal level to try and formulate their own opinions of the drugs or life itself.
Only when you stop for a minute and take a deep breath will you truly enjoy the fresh air. Our busy lives keep us separated from that eternal happiness and only when you bring down the barriers and open up can you truly see how wonderful and alive you are!
The body and mind are amazing gifts and drugs are a way to experiment with them and learn about yourself and the world. Drugs aren't bad - we are made out of drugs. To say they are dangerous is to say life itself is dangerous, which we all know is true. Prohibition is a waste of time and money and is taking away freedom from people all over.
It's time for an end to this madness. We are adults and we pay taxes. The government should start treating us like adults and realize that taking away people's freedom for a personal decision they rightfully made is unethical, immoral, ignorant, and insulting!
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Posted by: woofadoof on Jul 9, 2009 4:05 AM
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Daryl Gates, Hmmmmmm, this should give plenty of room for eye brows to be raised! And now, to make the eyes pop out of thier sockets Betty Sembler. From DARES own site,
"The DEA Museum Foundation is honoring Mrs. Betty Sembler today with its 2008 Lifetime Achievement Award in Washington, DC in recognition of her thirty years of leadership and commitment to fighting drug abuse and drug addiction through her international support of law enforcement, treatment and education/prevention efforts.
Mrs. Sembler actively participated in the White House Conference for a Drug Free America, the Governor’s Drug Policy Task Force in Florida and helped establish nonprofit drug treatment programs across the U.S. She is the founder and president of Drug Free America Foundation and Save Our Society From Drugs (S.O.S.). She is currently the vice-chairperson of D.A.R.E. International and serves on the Florida National Guard Multijurisdictional Counterdrug Training Advisory Board. Accompanying her husband on his missions to Australia and Italy as United States Ambassador, she has constantly stood for sound drug policy and a drug free lifestyle for over thirty years.
The DEA Museum Foundation is an independent, nonprofit organization dedicated to supporting the mission of the DEA Museum and Visitors Center in Arlington, VA. This public/private partnership serves to educate the American public on the long, complex and tragic history of drugs in America, and on the many costs and consequences of drug use on our society.
Congratulations from the entire DARE family!'
Betty Sembler and her husband Mel Sembler are the cretins behind so much of this. Mel Sembler started Straight Inc (do your research). Straight was closed down, as it's predessesor The Seed, which the Semblers son Brent was in.
After Straight Inc, the Semblers started DFAF, Drug Free America Foundation, and now want thier agenda to be wordwide. These elitists are out of control. Read this article on Mel Sembler, see what a snake he is
http://www.alternet.org/story/27725/?page=entire
I am a survivor of Straight Inc. This was before the DARE program. The damages range from self esteem issues to destroyed family, distrust of most things human and cynical outlook at any 12th step wish craft.
If the Drug War can not be won honestly, with intergety these folks will do all in thier power to push thier agenda. Which makes the DARE program just another "pawn" in thier plan.
Investigate, Betty Sembler and Mel Sembler. Look at thier associations with the Bush clan. Knowing the Jewish family of the Semblers have no problem locking up youth for up to 4 years for suspected drug use...I just think it's ironic, Betty Sembler, and her involvement in the Holocaust Museum in St. Pete Florida has no problem creating essentually prison camps, gulags for children for profit, fame, notarity and favor. After all Mel Sembler got his Ambassadorships to Italy and Australia because of his efforts in starting Straight Inc. With the Reagan administrations blessing, which began Nancy Reagans infamious quote...."Just say No!"
The elitists will destroy this country if they are not kept in check.
Sickening!
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