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Hey Progressives: Why Don't you Care About the "Drug War" Like You Care About Other Issues?
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The following is the text of Drug Policy Alliance Director Ethan Nadelmann's speech to the Momentum Plenary at the America's Future Now conference in Washington. It has been edited for length and clarity.
The issue of over-incarceration and the overuse of the criminal justice system in America strike me as one of the most horrific violations of human rights in the United States today.
What I'm also struck by is the extent to which our American exceptionalism in this regard is unknown to so many who should know.
I'm going to throw some numbers at you:
* We have increased the number of people behind bars from roughly 500,000 people in 1980 to 2.3 million today.
* In the U.S., we have less than 5 percent of the world's population, but almost 25 percent of the world's prisoners.
* We rank first in the world in the per capita incarceration of our fellow citizens. First in the world -- We are No. 1.
Keep in mind, we are not so different as people sometimes think when it comes to crime, and even drug use: Our rates of crime, apart from homicide, are not that different from other industrialized nations, and our rates of illicit drug use are somewhat higher, but not dramatically higher than these other countries.
Yet we incarcerate people at five to 10 times the rate of most other nations. We are quicker to put people behind bars when they commit an offense; we keep people behind bars for longer once they are there; and once they come out, we put our heels in their faces and keep them down for as long as we possibly can.
Keep in mind it's not just the 2.3 million people behind bars but 5 million other people under the supervision of parole and probation in the U.S. right now. We deprive them of the right to vote like no other democratic nation does; we subject them to other sanctions and discriminations like no other country; and we make it very easy for them to get sent back to prison once again.
I want this issue to be part of the progressive coalition. I want to come to next year's progressive conference and hear the issue of prisons mentioned at least once on an opening plenary. What, after all, does it mean to be a progressive in America and live in a society that has this kind of exceptionalism? What does it mean to live in a society where over 2 million of our fellow citizens are behind bars tonight?
The issue of race is an inescapable part of this -- because we know that if the color of the faces of most of the people behind bars were white and not black, the reaction of the public would be different. There's something that clicks in our heads, that somehow when you see a black or brown face, especially a young male face, behind bars, there's that element -- even among all of us who do not consider ourselves racist and believe in fighting against racism -- there's that little click that accepts that on some level.
When you're talking about economic opportunity -- and approximately 50 percent of young black men in many cities already have a criminal record, already have a better chance of going to jail than university -- you realize this is not just an issue of race or of human rights but also an economic issue.
When you look at the growing power of the prison-industrial complex in our society, when you look at the prosecutors and the police, the prison guards' unions and the private prison builders -- that coalition has become a profoundly powerful and pernicious force in our society.
I saw it up front last year when we had a ballot initiative in California, Proposition 5. It would have been the most significant sentencing reform in the country's history, shifting a billion dollars per year from prison and parole to treatment and rehabilitation, reducing the state's bloated prison population by 30,000 drug and other nonviolent offenders, and saving taxpayers billions of dollars overall.
But when the district attorneys and the drug court judges and the prison guards union got together and said this has to go down, what I can tell you is that politicians from across the political spectrum in California did not ask them why. They simply complied.
The real meaning of power is when you tell an elected official to do something and he or she does it without even asking why. That's the power of the prison-industrial complex today.
I hope that we don't have to wait until January 2017 for President Barack Obama to have to give a farewell speech warning about the pernicious power of the prison-industrial complex, and the emerging homeland security industrial complex, like the speech that Eisenhower gave in January 1961with respect to the military-industrial complex. We should not have to wait that long.
Now, what is driving this issue more than anything else is the "war on drugs." It's the presumption that the criminal justice system has to be front and center in dealing with particular drugs in our society.
We have gone from 50,000 people behind bars in 1980 for a nonviolent drug law violation to over 500,000 behind bars tonight. We now lock up in America more people for violating a drug law than Western Europe locks up for all crimes -- and they have 100 million more people than we do.
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Posted by: mmckinl on Jun 12, 2009 1:30 AM
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Let's face it, it just costs too much political capital to advocate for those who cannot vote for you and don't have the means to contribute to you while the Prison Industrial Complex gives you huge amounts of money, support and votes ...
It is much easier to jail people, especially black and brown people, and call them criminals rather than admit that we have a broken social model and that we spend too little on social programs. TPTB know that under our "trickle down" economic system there are not enough jobs to go around and would rather warehouse people in ghettos and barrios than develop an inclusive economic system ... An economic system that tries to develop everyones talent rather than rationing education and opportunity ...
Progressives are fighting battles on every front. The environment, health care, the military budget, war, torture, financial reform etc,etc,etc, ...
Progressives only hope going forward is Publicly Funded Campaigns and Elections ... We just can't compete with the big money and their resources including the corporate media everywhere all the time.
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Posted by: Sister_Lauren on Jun 12, 2009 3:03 AM
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Ethan Nadelmann,
I wrote to his website about what I was doing.
I used the analogy of Rosa Parks to try to describe it. His response was to ignore me but jack my idea in one of his fundraising letters. You can look it up, I think Rosa Parks was in the title. He totally plagiarized my idea.
That pissed me off so I went to an event where he was a speaker. What a dufus. Anyway, in the question and answer period I asked him why he never addressed the religious discrimination issue. He said he never thought of it. Wow, that sure didn't square with him jacking my letter into his, did it?
The only good thing to come out of it was I met someone who claimed to have had religious experiences like mine and we make a date to meet. That is another interesting story about Jews, craziness, religion and an on-the-beat reporter risking her life just for her people.
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Posted by: Suzon on Jun 12, 2009 3:52 AM
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Royal charters have been granted to placate associations of powerful men for more than 900 years. Both the charters and these associations (of which the public knows little) concentrate power at the top which is why there is no regard for the common good.
Brewers and distillers and those in the prison industry have been enabled by their purchased politicians to corrode our society.
It's not only the people in prison who are trapped. Those who put them there must also have nightmares--of justice being done.
*Kevin Cahill's Who Owns the World: the hidden facts behind land ownership (2007)
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Posted by: grmartin on Jun 12, 2009 4:54 AM
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Posted by: jackl2400 on Jun 12, 2009 5:31 AM
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While most bleeding heart liberals on Alternet already grok Nadelmann's argument, liberals have been surprisingly resistant to progressive arguments on the drug war. When "we" the netroots activists have tried to raise the drugs/marijuana issues on political fora such as the Kerry '04 websites, The Daily Kos, or change.gov, most other liberals run away in feigned shock and horror.
Like Ethan says, most of them trivialize the issue because "you hippies just want to smoke your marijuana".
Presumably it's because of the realities of electoral politics and the valid prospect of being Willie Hortonized on crime issues, but it's also because those people, like Edelmann suggests, are merely being conventional, cowardly hypocrites and lazy thinking racists "for their children" and also because of conventional middle-class white cultural "blind spots".
Personally, I'm tired of those good Kos card carrying liberals telling me that drugs reform is not as "valid" or important an issue as reforming health care or the economy. Perhaps, some more sanity from leaders like Nadelmann will make some difference here by speaking directly to these blind spots and cultural prejudices of our fellow liberals.
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» I agree. Nothing puts "the land of the free" to the lie like existing drug policy. n/m
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Posted by: johnwinthrop on Jun 12, 2009 5:44 AM
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But let's say we only go after big dealers and people who drive when stoned(as we do with DWI, etc. drivers)
Are US jails still going to be packed? Sure. Will the majority be black and then Hispanic and then poor whites? Sure. People who are not part of conventional boring middle class society, which is mostly but not entirely white, commit more crimes including murder and robbery, than the leftwing maligned attorney and CPA living in the nice million dollar homes down the street. The author's following quote lacks support:
"When you're talking about economic opportunity -- and approximately 50 percent of young black men in many cities already have a criminal record, already have a better chance of going to jail than university -- you realize this is not just an issue of race or of human rights but also an economic issue".
Yes, it's an economic issue, but young blacks are in jail for violent acts not connected in many cases with drugs.
Young blacks need to save themselves, without white do-gooder help. They need to realize they are outgunned,always will be outgunned, and that taking education seriously, like Jews, Asians, and people of the Middle East do, is the best way to catch up and surpass socalled "white" society. Hip hop, BET, knocking up young girls, obsession with sex, sex sex, wearing stupid clothing and drugs are the best friends white racists ever had. Brown v Board of Ed and Martin Luther King are miserable failures. Black youth are in jail because they act the way white racists want them to act, not because of marijuana.
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» Mainstream rap is a parody of white fear as far as I can see
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» Racist denial Claptrap
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Posted by: Urgelt on Jun 12, 2009 6:02 AM
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Just as a for instance, caffeine addiction is no joke. It's up there with crack cocaine for difficulty in ending addiction. Some addicts become such heavy users, they acquire tablets, crush them, and snort them. I've corresponded with several users who have done this. Caffeine is known to provoke psychosis at high doses, among other effects.
If pharmacological properties are not used to sort these drugs into legal categories, what criteria are used?
Money.
If influential industries can profit by placing drugs in a particular legal category, then that's where the drugs are placed. The laws are for the benefit of special interests.
America doesn't have an illegal drug problem. America has a drug problem, period. We use more drugs per capita than any other nation on Earth. Everyone uses them. We use them to reduce pain, kick up our energy level, help us sleep, curb depression, feel jolly, clear our sinuses. If you ask me, I think we need to pull back a ways from our drug-using ways. But most of all, we need to quit being such hypocrites. A coffee junkie is no less an addict than a crack junkie, and exists on exactly the same moral plane.
The pharmaceutical industry makes huge profits on prescription drugs in part because inexpensive, easily obtained alternative drugs have been banned. Making marijuana and inexpensively-produced narcotics legal would devastate Big Pharma profits.
I think it's past time that we rationalized our drug policy along pharmacological lines, without respect for the profits of special interests. I'd also much prefer that doctors, not prosecutors, police and prisons, advise and guide citizens in their use.
I also think we should think twice about allowing corporations to add addictive drugs to consumer products.
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Posted by: Wayne Etheridge on Jun 12, 2009 7:11 AM
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Another thing not mentioned is the 900 lb monster in the White House. Yep, Joe BIDEN, not only D-MBNA but also a fucking drug czar. When Obama picked that son of a gun, nobody complained and in fact told us all to shut up and just trust Obama to end the war on drugs. Well guess what? Not happening ! Nader, Mckinney, Paul, or even Barr would have ended WOD while Obama and Mccain would have continued it.
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Posted by: FoonTheElder on Jun 12, 2009 7:22 AM
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The attitude in America is to still lock everybody up and throw away the key. Gavrilo Princip, the person who was responsible for starting World War I was sentenced to only 20 years in prison for murdering the Archduke of Austria. How many U.S. drug offenders have longer sentences than that?
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Posted by: kettleblack on Jun 12, 2009 7:36 AM
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We work our lives away, so that we can enjoy our golden years.
We work 10-12 hours a day so that we can afford a better retirement.
When we go overseas, we show the "locals" how Americans do it - we work, work, work - forget about siestas. Forget about socializing with the local population. Forget about learning about other cultures, because they are inferior.
Then, when we are ready to retire - sorry, no more social security. They spent it all.
Sorry, no more 401K. They took it all.
Sorry, you have no health, because you busted your ass all these years. You chose to do it to yourself. Take responsibility.
Welcome to Retirement, USA.
So, why do Americans need to escape from reality?
Drugs, including alcohol, are the cheap tickets out of this treadmill, even for just a short time.
Our culture taught us to stop smelling the roses along the way.
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Posted by: pcushniesr on Jun 12, 2009 7:37 AM
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Posted by: Southern Gal on Jun 12, 2009 7:52 AM
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» RE: We have to end this
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Posted by: freelyb on Jun 12, 2009 8:02 AM
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Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Jun 12, 2009 8:24 AM
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There is a concerted effort by our "authorities" to get everyone thrown into "the system", whether it be the legal system, the prison system, welfare system, etc.!
Wake-up, sheeple!
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Posted by: greenferret on Jun 12, 2009 8:26 AM
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Posted by: alturn on Jun 12, 2009 8:33 AM
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Prison guards make way upwards of $100,000 per year (particularly when counting the easy-to-get overtime) and have top-of-the-line retirement benefits. Their pay enables them to be one of the most powerful lobbying groups in the state while making the public's monetary cost for incarceration as out-of-control as health care.
So why would this powerful group want to lose their most docile customers?
From the public perspective, the debate should be pure guns or butter. Do we want to spend our increasingly scarce public money locking up people for petty violations of crimes with little to no harm to society? Or do we want to spend that same money on educating our kids and have public places like parks available to us?
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» NO FEDERAL BAILOUT FOR CALIF. - legalize pot first!!!
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Posted by: Gabba_Gabba_Hey on Jun 12, 2009 9:02 AM
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Think of Bill Clinton's op-ed in the NYT in January 2001, the month he left office, about how we HAD to do something about the sentencing disparities between powder vs. crack cocaine -- this after 8 years as president and never mentioning the issue.
Or Obama's insulting dismissal of the Internet questions about marijuana a couple of months ago. Not a good sign of action at the federal level, although Barney Frank and Ron Paul are still trying.
Right now the main drug war action is at the state level, where they're hurting for money the most.
Just as a start, NO FEDERAL BAILOUT for California! -- push them to the cliff and make California legalize and tax marijuana first, then we'll talk!
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Posted by: Steven Eisenhauer on Jun 12, 2009 9:20 AM
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Posted by: Kitty Lady Oregon on Jun 12, 2009 9:51 AM
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I have long advocated for the legalization of marijuana. I also advocate getting corporations out of the prison business.
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Posted by: stellabloo on Jun 12, 2009 9:51 AM
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Vancouver pot activist Marc Emery to plead guilty to U.S. drug charge
No hope of avoiding extradition, plea deal made
Words fail me. WE have enough of a democracy here in Canada to have our own legitimate Marijuana Party. WE do not send people to jail for minor possession. WE have established the right to medical marijuana. YOU are extraditing OUR politician, basically, for his political beliefs - because we have any number of legitimate head shops and hydroponics suppliers selling online. 2.3 million prisoners is not enough for the DEA, obviously; they need a trophy and they have pushed this ridiculous farce to the end.
WAKE UP PEOPLE - LIBERTY AND FREEDOM? YOUR GOVERNMENT IS OUT OF CONTROL - The jackboots are goosestepping right outside your door :.(
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Posted by: Defenestrator on Jun 12, 2009 9:59 AM
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Drug War Facts (pdf)
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Posted by: Annapurna1 on Jun 12, 2009 11:15 AM
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the drug czar has hit the proverbial nail on the head ..we must to eliminate the war metaphor in order to end the war on drugs...tragically..however..bu$hco has indelibly burned SINAO into the american mind..where it serves to continually reenforce the drug war paradigm...
in either case..its a waste of time to throw facts and figures at an electorate that believes that "drugs" must be defeated at any cost...listen to kerlikowske and try barking up a different tree instead (if there is such a tree)...
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Posted by: maxsmart on Jun 12, 2009 11:28 AM
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We have a punitive and adversarial legal and justice system. We want to hide unemployment in prisons. We are in a class warfare society and with grossly rich and poor. We have become a banana republic. There will be no safety in such a society and vast amounts of money will just circulate in an underground economy. We are beginning to look like an hourglass of rich and poor and no middle ground.
We are all interdependent and this world will not be a good world for the rich or the poor. A basic standard of living and opportunity for everyone benefits everyone. We need a social support network, not a sink or swim sharktank where the crazy strike out and we wonder why, where pills are pushed but nothing else, where homeless tent cities go unnoticed and soldier suffer PTSD for stupid senseless missions. Where somehow Wall Street scheme siphons away gigantic sums of money but no one knows where it went even if some fall guy goes to prison.
We must get beyond this capitalist/socialist dualistic impasse and realize the necessity of social responsibiity and our world's economic and environmental interdependence!! To see that Gross National Happiness is much better the Gross National Get-Rich-Quickness.
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Posted by: JSquercia on Jun 12, 2009 1:08 PM
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Posted by: femmyv on Jun 12, 2009 1:50 PM
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Shall we do away with laws against robbery?
We need to work on fair sentencing for ALL crimes, not just silly drug laws.
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Posted by: centure7 on Jun 12, 2009 3:24 PM
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» And if the laws could be enforced effectively...
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Posted by: aahpat on Jun 12, 2009 4:23 PM
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Jim Crow had stood on two legs. One was outright and direct denial of access to the electoral system. The VRA ended much of that. The other leg was criminal disenfranchisement using trumped up morals laws violations, including drug law violations. The drug war federalized Jim Crow, for all time going forward. It acted as a crutch for the mass criminal disenfranchisement of anyone who might question the status quo by engaging in illegal pleasures. But it was especially designed under the same motivations that Nadelmann pointed to for all of Americas drug laws.
I say, as a white urban child of the baby boom, there really is no "liberal" community in white America. Democrats have been shoved so far to the right for so many decades that todays Democrat liberal would have been a John Bircher forty years ago. What of them there might be are more concerned with the environment for polar bears than they are the urban environment that they create for poor or minority American children by their condoning the war on drugs.
The drug war cannot be ended in America. It is the ultimate authoritarian democratic corruption. The Democrats are in the pockets of the rich and aggressive police and prison guard unions. The Republicans are in the pocket of the prison industrial complex. The people have no say in the matter. Millions who have acted on their opposition to prohibition with defiant use are mass disenfranchised so cannot express their discontent in elections.
Liberals, afraid of being called soft on crime and unwilling to appear to defend the rights of generations of poor kids that have grown into the black market culture imposed on poverty oppressed urban America, care about every issue other than social justice for the least popular people in the nation. A liberal tradition used to lean learning about those things we fear and using knowledge to counter our ignorance imposed fear. Liberals today know nothing of the science of addiction. They care nothing of how prohibition economics causes much of the crime on our streets, empowers drug cartel anarchy and finances much of the terrorism in the world.
Its soft on crime to want to regulate the Taliban and alQaida out of the drug business?
Its soft on crime to want responsible licensed members of the community in control of drug rather than the addict drug dealers and gangsters of today's prohibition?
And is it soft on crime to want to reduce the cost of indigent healthcare in America by distributing clean needles and safe drugs to abusers? Abusers who would otherwise recruit and entice more children into abuse as part of their personal destruction.
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Thus far 28 senators have signed on to Sen. Webb's S-714 as co-sponsors. (http://mysite.verizon.net/aahpat/aandc/s-714_tally.htm) S-714 tally sheet of senators thus far co-sponsoring the bill. The bill needs all the support it can get because drug war supporters have offered a counter bill in the House of Representative.
Please write to your senators and persuade them to co-sponsor S-714.
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Posted by: aahpat on Jun 13, 2009 5:50 AM
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The endlessly escalating violence resulting from the prohibition economy, imposed by the lawless and undemocratic war on drugs occupation government of the United States of America, is the fault of the lawless unconstitutional government and its supporters.
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Posted by: aahpat on Jun 13, 2009 6:53 AM
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The war on drugs will end when politicians have graphic examples of masses of Americans in the streets ardently opposing the drug war war burned into their minds with TV and news pictures. Real Americans, angry at the drug war, in the streets ardently and graphically dispelling the notion that opposition to the war on drugs is just an online abstraction.
I like Ethan Nadelmann a lot. He, at least, is preaching the word. Bit I have had paid writers at Ethan Nadelmann's Drug Policy Alliance tell me that public protests for the cause is counter-productive. U.S. Congressman Keith Ellison of Minneapolis has a better understanding of the success of mass protest as a powerful means of political expression and action.
In Obama Era: Can We Think Big and Make the Changes We Really Need?
By Rep. Keith Ellison, AlterNet. Posted June 11, 2009.
"I've had a few of my progressive friends say to me, "You know Keith, I'm not that happy about the president not really going after those quirks in the Bush administration, I'm not that pleased that we haven't heard as much as we want to hear about a public option. What about 100 percent auction for cap and trade? What about these issues that we care about?"
And I say to my friends, that if the progressive movement could make Richard Nixon get out of Vietnam and sign the legislation for the Environmental Protection Agency, what can we do with this president? We cannot set our sights low, we should not settle for less, we should not gripe, we should not complain. We should organize, organize, organize!! You thought you were busy before November; you better figure out how to get even busier now, because the opportunity for us to change this thing all around are well within our grasp. The question is: Will we do it?
The fact is, look -- the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. did not wait on Lyndon Baines Johnson to inspire him, did he? He didn't say, "Lyndon, should I march?" He didn't say, "Jack, should I march??" He went out and marched! He also did not say, "I HAVE A COMPLAINT." He said, "I HAVE A DREAM!!" and he marched on that progressive vision, and it absolutely destroyed Jim Crow and eliminated the undemocratic nature of our society at that time.
You and I have to shoot higher than that. We can't shoot at that mark, we've got to shoot above that mark. We've got to be thinking big!"
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Posted by: bcainw on Jun 13, 2009 8:39 AM
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This is the only way the Cartels will be destroyed. It is the only way that patients will have cheap medicine.
But Nadleman is completely opposes to this. Instead he has betrayed the Marijuana Reform Movement which has always fought for the right for everyone to grow Mother Natures plant.
What does he want instead?
He wants a "Government Dispensary Program" where only a select group of the elite will grow the Marijuana and sell it to you for outrages prices that may even exceed the current street price for an ounce of Marijuana: $300 to $500 per ounce. And if you grow your own you will be going to jail.
This is a betrayal.
Under the MERP Model you could grow your Marijuana for free or for about $25/ounce under lamps.
The sad truth is that Nadleman is a pawn for his financier, George Soros. And George has never flinched at profiting at the expense of common people. Apparently his plans for Marijuana are no different.
To learn more about this deceit and the MERP Model for Marijuana Re-Legalization please go to the following link:
MERP Headquarters
The Marijuana Re-Legalization Policy Project (MRPP)
http://www.newagecitizen.com/MERP.htm
My plans are to have Americans growing their own for free within the year. If you want to see how this will work please read this and contact your representatives as soon as possible. We can do this together. Nadleman has not intention of helping us. Again, how sad.
How to Make Marijuana Free and Legal for For All Adults Within A Year
http://www.newagecitizen.com/MERP/RelegalizeNowObama00.htm
Yours in Peace and Freedom,
Bruce W. Cain
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Posted by: aahpat on Jun 13, 2009 8:44 AM
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The Constitution of the United States of America
Article III
Section 3. "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort."
According to military strategist John R. Glaze report to the U.S. Army War College Strategic Studies Institute, "Opium and Afghanistan: Reassessing U.S. Counternarcotics Strategy"(PDF), "...an estimated 70 percent of the Taliban’s income now comes from protection money and the sale of opium."
Aside from the billions going to these enemies of America our government drug warriors have long known that alQaida uses heroin distribution as an asymmetric weapon against the west. Flooding western streets to destabilize western society.
Obama advisor Sen. John Kerry told reporters in 2001 as the World Trade Center and Pentagon still smoldered: "That's part of their revenge on the world," Kerry said. "Get as many people drugged out and screwed up as you can." 21 Sept. 2001
"Aid and comfort"
Regulation and legalization would end this treasonous national security threat but American drug warriors 'just say no'.
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Posted by: DdC on Jun 13, 2009 8:45 PM
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So after prop 5 was bought and trashed by the prison industry and all of its paraphernalia companies and government employees cheer leading the defeat. As stated dragging in 5 governators including the present AG, trying to re-legislate citizens proposition 215 for his own vested ignorance. It should look good on the resume for his next guber attempt. Arno had no qualms about nixoning Hemp. Less fossil fools, trees and cotton chemicals sold if farmers grew it. But that hasn't reached the thimk tanks yet. The competition and their elected lobbyists have just as many profits at stake as the prisons. The Omnipotent DEA. The Pharmaceutical Industrial complex with its private copshops. FDA, EPA HHS and AMA. Even the IOM bowed to the demands including Ganja smoke with adulterated, chemicalized tobacco products.
But that would interfere with the latest tobacco prohibition, for Liberals. Nary a word mentioned about the hundreds of chemicals used in cigarettes, not sold for Ganja. Flame retardants and burn enhancers, preservatives, pesticides, and flavorings for your Ronnie Rayguns smoking pleasure. None of it in Ganja and therefore no comparison, therefore no mention. Libertarians didn't mention it cause they sell it along with the GOPerverts. The DNC, under Klintoon and the Czarbarry criminalized more Americans than Boosh, Rayguns and Nexxon combined. Authorizing the Patriot Ax, Sewders Axing of the Higher Education Act and NAFTA/SPLAT.
Joe Bliedens lie tacking the RAVE Ax onto amber alerts, keeping NORML rallies from taking place, do to the risk. Prison rape as a deterrent... to relieving nausea and spasms. Klintoon started eradicating non-psychoactive ditchweed hemp as Ganja to raise the numbers. Now real Americans are doing real hard time for burlap. Hitlerian crude oil producing states giving 93 year terms for personal garden stash. Booze and Casino's don't like it. Stoners don't seem to get drunk and dump cash into slot machines like x drug Czar Bennetts. Walter’s co author.
Same people in the Oblamo infrastructure. As Boosh juniors was x daddy cut throats from Iran Contra to being appointed president. Cliarence Thomas was Monsanto's hatchet lawyer. Keeping dioxins dumped into the Mississippi for 7 years while they appealed each guilty case. Exxon Valdeze has done the same. Their pet rock Palin whoring for big oil. All of this is why we have the Ganjawar. Selling those Wallmart St "treatments" over prevention and cures. Yes Nathan, the Ganjawar is a product and tax payers buy it without much questioning. Paid "reformers" and then what's popular-ists kick the tires once in a while. The agenda is to keep er goin. No money in Peace for Industrial Complexes treating problems. The neat thang is anything can become a problem with enough advertising. Hobgoblin Treatment Centers.
Pro Life Hell, Not even anti-abortionists
Preconception exposure to the pesticides glyphosate, atrazine, carbaryl, and 2,4-D increased relative risk of spontaneous abortion by 20-40%. Risks were even higher for women exposed to pesticides at age 35 or older and for women exposed to pesticide mixtures.
Switching cotton fields to hemp fields would improve: the quality of our soil, the durability of our clothes, the safety of our ground source water, Cotton crops in the USA occupy 1% of the country’s farmland but use 50% of all pesticides.
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Posted by: lalala on Jun 14, 2009 2:23 AM
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Morphine is very dangerous. Pot on the other hand has no potential for lethal overdose.
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Posted by: aahpat on Jun 14, 2009 4:40 AM
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Take your seeds and covertly spread them around government building gardens. Around the homes of your local politicians. And around police stations.
If each pot smoker has an ounce of seed the protest would be massive.
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Posted by: Fallstaff on Jun 14, 2009 6:43 PM
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As a Canadian I've always been stunned at American's ability to talk about their great freedom while living under this tyrannical 'war on drugs'. The hypocrisy and lack of self knowledge.
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Posted by: silvertogn on Jun 23, 2009 6:30 PM
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In my opinion, no one has the right to disturb another person unless they have done something wrong to some one else...
With that said; In ALL cases in the court system there should be an injured party. No injured party, no case! Period!
I have a real problem with hemp and drug arrests in general. The Netherlands are closing prisions in thier country instead of building new ones. We, on the other hand have more people incarcerated than any other country in the world, and we still call this place "the home of the free"! Come on People get with it!!
The government has no right to make anything that has no "injured party" illegal.
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Posted by: silvertogn on Jun 23, 2009 8:03 PM
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Posted by: mmckinl on Jun 12, 2009 1:30 AM
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Let's face it, it just costs too much political capital to advocate for those who cannot vote for you and don't have the means to contribute to you while the Prison Industrial Complex gives you huge amounts of money, support and votes ...
It is much easier to jail people, especially black and brown people, and call them criminals rather than admit that we have a broken social model and that we spend too little on social programs. TPTB know that under our "trickle down" economic system there are not enough jobs to go around and would rather warehouse people in ghettos and barrios than develop an inclusive economic system ... An economic system that tries to develop everyones talent rather than rationing education and opportunity ...
Progressives are fighting battles on every front. The environment, health care, the military budget, war, torture, financial reform etc,etc,etc, ...
Progressives only hope going forward is Publicly Funded Campaigns and Elections ... We just can't compete with the big money and their resources including the corporate media everywhere all the time.
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Posted by: Sister_Lauren on Jun 12, 2009 3:03 AM
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Ethan Nadelmann,
I wrote to his website about what I was doing.
I used the analogy of Rosa Parks to try to describe it. His response was to ignore me but jack my idea in one of his fundraising letters. You can look it up, I think Rosa Parks was in the title. He totally plagiarized my idea.
That pissed me off so I went to an event where he was a speaker. What a dufus. Anyway, in the question and answer period I asked him why he never addressed the religious discrimination issue. He said he never thought of it. Wow, that sure didn't square with him jacking my letter into his, did it?
The only good thing to come out of it was I met someone who claimed to have had religious experiences like mine and we make a date to meet. That is another interesting story about Jews, craziness, religion and an on-the-beat reporter risking her life just for her people.
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Posted by: Suzon on Jun 12, 2009 3:52 AM
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Royal charters have been granted to placate associations of powerful men for more than 900 years. Both the charters and these associations (of which the public knows little) concentrate power at the top which is why there is no regard for the common good.
Brewers and distillers and those in the prison industry have been enabled by their purchased politicians to corrode our society.
It's not only the people in prison who are trapped. Those who put them there must also have nightmares--of justice being done.
*Kevin Cahill's Who Owns the World: the hidden facts behind land ownership (2007)
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Posted by: grmartin on Jun 12, 2009 4:54 AM
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Posted by: jackl2400 on Jun 12, 2009 5:31 AM
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While most bleeding heart liberals on Alternet already grok Nadelmann's argument, liberals have been surprisingly resistant to progressive arguments on the drug war. When "we" the netroots activists have tried to raise the drugs/marijuana issues on political fora such as the Kerry '04 websites, The Daily Kos, or change.gov, most other liberals run away in feigned shock and horror.
Like Ethan says, most of them trivialize the issue because "you hippies just want to smoke your marijuana".
Presumably it's because of the realities of electoral politics and the valid prospect of being Willie Hortonized on crime issues, but it's also because those people, like Edelmann suggests, are merely being conventional, cowardly hypocrites and lazy thinking racists "for their children" and also because of conventional middle-class white cultural "blind spots".
Personally, I'm tired of those good Kos card carrying liberals telling me that drugs reform is not as "valid" or important an issue as reforming health care or the economy. Perhaps, some more sanity from leaders like Nadelmann will make some difference here by speaking directly to these blind spots and cultural prejudices of our fellow liberals.
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Posted by: johnwinthrop on Jun 12, 2009 5:44 AM
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But let's say we only go after big dealers and people who drive when stoned(as we do with DWI, etc. drivers)
Are US jails still going to be packed? Sure. Will the majority be black and then Hispanic and then poor whites? Sure. People who are not part of conventional boring middle class society, which is mostly but not entirely white, commit more crimes including murder and robbery, than the leftwing maligned attorney and CPA living in the nice million dollar homes down the street. The author's following quote lacks support:
"When you're talking about economic opportunity -- and approximately 50 percent of young black men in many cities already have a criminal record, already have a better chance of going to jail than university -- you realize this is not just an issue of race or of human rights but also an economic issue".
Yes, it's an economic issue, but young blacks are in jail for violent acts not connected in many cases with drugs.
Young blacks need to save themselves, without white do-gooder help. They need to realize they are outgunned,always will be outgunned, and that taking education seriously, like Jews, Asians, and people of the Middle East do, is the best way to catch up and surpass socalled "white" society. Hip hop, BET, knocking up young girls, obsession with sex, sex sex, wearing stupid clothing and drugs are the best friends white racists ever had. Brown v Board of Ed and Martin Luther King are miserable failures. Black youth are in jail because they act the way white racists want them to act, not because of marijuana.
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Posted by: Urgelt on Jun 12, 2009 6:02 AM
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Just as a for instance, caffeine addiction is no joke. It's up there with crack cocaine for difficulty in ending addiction. Some addicts become such heavy users, they acquire tablets, crush them, and snort them. I've corresponded with several users who have done this. Caffeine is known to provoke psychosis at high doses, among other effects.
If pharmacological properties are not used to sort these drugs into legal categories, what criteria are used?
Money.
If influential industries can profit by placing drugs in a particular legal category, then that's where the drugs are placed. The laws are for the benefit of special interests.
America doesn't have an illegal drug problem. America has a drug problem, period. We use more drugs per capita than any other nation on Earth. Everyone uses them. We use them to reduce pain, kick up our energy level, help us sleep, curb depression, feel jolly, clear our sinuses. If you ask me, I think we need to pull back a ways from our drug-using ways. But most of all, we need to quit being such hypocrites. A coffee junkie is no less an addict than a crack junkie, and exists on exactly the same moral plane.
The pharmaceutical industry makes huge profits on prescription drugs in part because inexpensive, easily obtained alternative drugs have been banned. Making marijuana and inexpensively-produced narcotics legal would devastate Big Pharma profits.
I think it's past time that we rationalized our drug policy along pharmacological lines, without respect for the profits of special interests. I'd also much prefer that doctors, not prosecutors, police and prisons, advise and guide citizens in their use.
I also think we should think twice about allowing corporations to add addictive drugs to consumer products.
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Posted by: Wayne Etheridge on Jun 12, 2009 7:11 AM
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Another thing not mentioned is the 900 lb monster in the White House. Yep, Joe BIDEN, not only D-MBNA but also a fucking drug czar. When Obama picked that son of a gun, nobody complained and in fact told us all to shut up and just trust Obama to end the war on drugs. Well guess what? Not happening ! Nader, Mckinney, Paul, or even Barr would have ended WOD while Obama and Mccain would have continued it.
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Posted by: FoonTheElder on Jun 12, 2009 7:22 AM
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The attitude in America is to still lock everybody up and throw away the key. Gavrilo Princip, the person who was responsible for starting World War I was sentenced to only 20 years in prison for murdering the Archduke of Austria. How many U.S. drug offenders have longer sentences than that?
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Posted by: kettleblack on Jun 12, 2009 7:36 AM
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We work our lives away, so that we can enjoy our golden years.
We work 10-12 hours a day so that we can afford a better retirement.
When we go overseas, we show the "locals" how Americans do it - we work, work, work - forget about siestas. Forget about socializing with the local population. Forget about learning about other cultures, because they are inferior.
Then, when we are ready to retire - sorry, no more social security. They spent it all.
Sorry, no more 401K. They took it all.
Sorry, you have no health, because you busted your ass all these years. You chose to do it to yourself. Take responsibility.
Welcome to Retirement, USA.
So, why do Americans need to escape from reality?
Drugs, including alcohol, are the cheap tickets out of this treadmill, even for just a short time.
Our culture taught us to stop smelling the roses along the way.
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Posted by: freelyb on Jun 12, 2009 8:02 AM
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Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Jun 12, 2009 8:24 AM
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There is a concerted effort by our "authorities" to get everyone thrown into "the system", whether it be the legal system, the prison system, welfare system, etc.!
Wake-up, sheeple!
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Posted by: alturn on Jun 12, 2009 8:33 AM
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Prison guards make way upwards of $100,000 per year (particularly when counting the easy-to-get overtime) and have top-of-the-line retirement benefits. Their pay enables them to be one of the most powerful lobbying groups in the state while making the public's monetary cost for incarceration as out-of-control as health care.
So why would this powerful group want to lose their most docile customers?
From the public perspective, the debate should be pure guns or butter. Do we want to spend our increasingly scarce public money locking up people for petty violations of crimes with little to no harm to society? Or do we want to spend that same money on educating our kids and have public places like parks available to us?
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Posted by: Gabba_Gabba_Hey on Jun 12, 2009 9:02 AM
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Think of Bill Clinton's op-ed in the NYT in January 2001, the month he left office, about how we HAD to do something about the sentencing disparities between powder vs. crack cocaine -- this after 8 years as president and never mentioning the issue.
Or Obama's insulting dismissal of the Internet questions about marijuana a couple of months ago. Not a good sign of action at the federal level, although Barney Frank and Ron Paul are still trying.
Right now the main drug war action is at the state level, where they're hurting for money the most.
Just as a start, NO FEDERAL BAILOUT for California! -- push them to the cliff and make California legalize and tax marijuana first, then we'll talk!
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Posted by: Kitty Lady Oregon on Jun 12, 2009 9:51 AM
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I have long advocated for the legalization of marijuana. I also advocate getting corporations out of the prison business.
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» South America is leading the way in many respects politically standing up to corps
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Posted by: stellabloo on Jun 12, 2009 9:51 AM
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Vancouver pot activist Marc Emery to plead guilty to U.S. drug charge
No hope of avoiding extradition, plea deal made
Words fail me. WE have enough of a democracy here in Canada to have our own legitimate Marijuana Party. WE do not send people to jail for minor possession. WE have established the right to medical marijuana. YOU are extraditing OUR politician, basically, for his political beliefs - because we have any number of legitimate head shops and hydroponics suppliers selling online. 2.3 million prisoners is not enough for the DEA, obviously; they need a trophy and they have pushed this ridiculous farce to the end.
WAKE UP PEOPLE - LIBERTY AND FREEDOM? YOUR GOVERNMENT IS OUT OF CONTROL - The jackboots are goosestepping right outside your door :.(
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» RE: Why not warn him, and deport him
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» RE: OUR government that wants him out of Canada
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Posted by: Defenestrator on Jun 12, 2009 9:59 AM
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Drug War Facts (pdf)
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Posted by: aonghus36 on Jun 12, 2009 10:07 AM
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» Why isn't industrial hemp a baby step?
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Posted by: willymack on Jun 12, 2009 10:49 AM
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» They also force the domestic farmer's in other lands to abandon their traditional crops
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Posted by: Annapurna1 on Jun 12, 2009 11:15 AM
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the drug czar has hit the proverbial nail on the head ..we must to eliminate the war metaphor in order to end the war on drugs...tragically..however..bu$hco has indelibly burned SINAO into the american mind..where it serves to continually reenforce the drug war paradigm...
in either case..its a waste of time to throw facts and figures at an electorate that believes that "drugs" must be defeated at any cost...listen to kerlikowske and try barking up a different tree instead (if there is such a tree)...
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Posted by: maxsmart on Jun 12, 2009 11:28 AM
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We have a punitive and adversarial legal and justice system. We want to hide unemployment in prisons. We are in a class warfare society and with grossly rich and poor. We have become a banana republic. There will be no safety in such a society and vast amounts of money will just circulate in an underground economy. We are beginning to look like an hourglass of rich and poor and no middle ground.
We are all interdependent and this world will not be a good world for the rich or the poor. A basic standard of living and opportunity for everyone benefits everyone. We need a social support network, not a sink or swim sharktank where the crazy strike out and we wonder why, where pills are pushed but nothing else, where homeless tent cities go unnoticed and soldier suffer PTSD for stupid senseless missions. Where somehow Wall Street scheme siphons away gigantic sums of money but no one knows where it went even if some fall guy goes to prison.
We must get beyond this capitalist/socialist dualistic impasse and realize the necessity of social responsibiity and our world's economic and environmental interdependence!! To see that Gross National Happiness is much better the Gross National Get-Rich-Quickness.
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Posted by: JSquercia on Jun 12, 2009 1:08 PM
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Posted by: femmyv on Jun 12, 2009 1:50 PM
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Shall we do away with laws against robbery?
We need to work on fair sentencing for ALL crimes, not just silly drug laws.
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Posted by: centure7 on Jun 12, 2009 3:24 PM
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» And if the laws could be enforced effectively...
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Posted by: aahpat on Jun 12, 2009 4:23 PM
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Jim Crow had stood on two legs. One was outright and direct denial of access to the electoral system. The VRA ended much of that. The other leg was criminal disenfranchisement using trumped up morals laws violations, including drug law violations. The drug war federalized Jim Crow, for all time going forward. It acted as a crutch for the mass criminal disenfranchisement of anyone who might question the status quo by engaging in illegal pleasures. But it was especially designed under the same motivations that Nadelmann pointed to for all of Americas drug laws.
I say, as a white urban child of the baby boom, there really is no "liberal" community in white America. Democrats have been shoved so far to the right for so many decades that todays Democrat liberal would have been a John Bircher forty years ago. What of them there might be are more concerned with the environment for polar bears than they are the urban environment that they create for poor or minority American children by their condoning the war on drugs.
The drug war cannot be ended in America. It is the ultimate authoritarian democratic corruption. The Democrats are in the pockets of the rich and aggressive police and prison guard unions. The Republicans are in the pocket of the prison industrial complex. The people have no say in the matter. Millions who have acted on their opposition to prohibition with defiant use are mass disenfranchised so cannot express their discontent in elections.
Liberals, afraid of being called soft on crime and unwilling to appear to defend the rights of generations of poor kids that have grown into the black market culture imposed on poverty oppressed urban America, care about every issue other than social justice for the least popular people in the nation. A liberal tradition used to lean learning about those things we fear and using knowledge to counter our ignorance imposed fear. Liberals today know nothing of the science of addiction. They care nothing of how prohibition economics causes much of the crime on our streets, empowers drug cartel anarchy and finances much of the terrorism in the world.
Its soft on crime to want to regulate the Taliban and alQaida out of the drug business?
Its soft on crime to want responsible licensed members of the community in control of drug rather than the addict drug dealers and gangsters of today's prohibition?
And is it soft on crime to want to reduce the cost of indigent healthcare in America by distributing clean needles and safe drugs to abusers? Abusers who would otherwise recruit and entice more children into abuse as part of their personal destruction.
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Posted by: aahpat on Jun 12, 2009 4:35 PM
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Thus far 28 senators have signed on to Sen. Webb's S-714 as co-sponsors. (http://mysite.verizon.net/aahpat/aandc/s-714_tally.htm) S-714 tally sheet of senators thus far co-sponsoring the bill. The bill needs all the support it can get because drug war supporters have offered a counter bill in the House of Representative.
Please write to your senators and persuade them to co-sponsor S-714.
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Posted by: tjg1984 on Jun 12, 2009 7:35 PM
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Posted by: aahpat on Jun 13, 2009 5:50 AM
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The endlessly escalating violence resulting from the prohibition economy, imposed by the lawless and undemocratic war on drugs occupation government of the United States of America, is the fault of the lawless unconstitutional government and its supporters.
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Posted by: aahpat on Jun 13, 2009 6:53 AM
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The war on drugs will end when politicians have graphic examples of masses of Americans in the streets ardently opposing the drug war war burned into their minds with TV and news pictures. Real Americans, angry at the drug war, in the streets ardently and graphically dispelling the notion that opposition to the war on drugs is just an online abstraction.
I like Ethan Nadelmann a lot. He, at least, is preaching the word. Bit I have had paid writers at Ethan Nadelmann's Drug Policy Alliance tell me that public protests for the cause is counter-productive. U.S. Congressman Keith Ellison of Minneapolis has a better understanding of the success of mass protest as a powerful means of political expression and action.
In Obama Era: Can We Think Big and Make the Changes We Really Need?
By Rep. Keith Ellison, AlterNet. Posted June 11, 2009.
"I've had a few of my progressive friends say to me, "You know Keith, I'm not that happy about the president not really going after those quirks in the Bush administration, I'm not that pleased that we haven't heard as much as we want to hear about a public option. What about 100 percent auction for cap and trade? What about these issues that we care about?"
And I say to my friends, that if the progressive movement could make Richard Nixon get out of Vietnam and sign the legislation for the Environmental Protection Agency, what can we do with this president? We cannot set our sights low, we should not settle for less, we should not gripe, we should not complain. We should organize, organize, organize!! You thought you were busy before November; you better figure out how to get even busier now, because the opportunity for us to change this thing all around are well within our grasp. The question is: Will we do it?
The fact is, look -- the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. did not wait on Lyndon Baines Johnson to inspire him, did he? He didn't say, "Lyndon, should I march?" He didn't say, "Jack, should I march??" He went out and marched! He also did not say, "I HAVE A COMPLAINT." He said, "I HAVE A DREAM!!" and he marched on that progressive vision, and it absolutely destroyed Jim Crow and eliminated the undemocratic nature of our society at that time.
You and I have to shoot higher than that. We can't shoot at that mark, we've got to shoot above that mark. We've got to be thinking big!"
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Posted by: bcainw on Jun 13, 2009 8:39 AM
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This is the only way the Cartels will be destroyed. It is the only way that patients will have cheap medicine.
But Nadleman is completely opposes to this. Instead he has betrayed the Marijuana Reform Movement which has always fought for the right for everyone to grow Mother Natures plant.
What does he want instead?
He wants a "Government Dispensary Program" where only a select group of the elite will grow the Marijuana and sell it to you for outrages prices that may even exceed the current street price for an ounce of Marijuana: $300 to $500 per ounce. And if you grow your own you will be going to jail.
This is a betrayal.
Under the MERP Model you could grow your Marijuana for free or for about $25/ounce under lamps.
The sad truth is that Nadleman is a pawn for his financier, George Soros. And George has never flinched at profiting at the expense of common people. Apparently his plans for Marijuana are no different.
To learn more about this deceit and the MERP Model for Marijuana Re-Legalization please go to the following link:
MERP Headquarters
The Marijuana Re-Legalization Policy Project (MRPP)
http://www.newagecitizen.com/MERP.htm
My plans are to have Americans growing their own for free within the year. If you want to see how this will work please read this and contact your representatives as soon as possible. We can do this together. Nadleman has not intention of helping us. Again, how sad.
How to Make Marijuana Free and Legal for For All Adults Within A Year
http://www.newagecitizen.com/MERP/RelegalizeNowObama00.htm
Yours in Peace and Freedom,
Bruce W. Cain
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Posted by: aahpat on Jun 13, 2009 8:44 AM
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The Constitution of the United States of America
Article III
Section 3. "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort."
According to military strategist John R. Glaze report to the U.S. Army War College Strategic Studies Institute, "Opium and Afghanistan: Reassessing U.S. Counternarcotics Strategy"(PDF), "...an estimated 70 percent of the Taliban’s income now comes from protection money and the sale of opium."
Aside from the billions going to these enemies of America our government drug warriors have long known that alQaida uses heroin distribution as an asymmetric weapon against the west. Flooding western streets to destabilize western society.
Obama advisor Sen. John Kerry told reporters in 2001 as the World Trade Center and Pentagon still smoldered: "That's part of their revenge on the world," Kerry said. "Get as many people drugged out and screwed up as you can." 21 Sept. 2001
"Aid and comfort"
Regulation and legalization would end this treasonous national security threat but American drug warriors 'just say no'.
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Posted by: DdC on Jun 13, 2009 8:45 PM
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So after prop 5 was bought and trashed by the prison industry and all of its paraphernalia companies and government employees cheer leading the defeat. As stated dragging in 5 governators including the present AG, trying to re-legislate citizens proposition 215 for his own vested ignorance. It should look good on the resume for his next guber attempt. Arno had no qualms about nixoning Hemp. Less fossil fools, trees and cotton chemicals sold if farmers grew it. But that hasn't reached the thimk tanks yet. The competition and their elected lobbyists have just as many profits at stake as the prisons. The Omnipotent DEA. The Pharmaceutical Industrial complex with its private copshops. FDA, EPA HHS and AMA. Even the IOM bowed to the demands including Ganja smoke with adulterated, chemicalized tobacco products.
But that would interfere with the latest tobacco prohibition, for Liberals. Nary a word mentioned about the hundreds of chemicals used in cigarettes, not sold for Ganja. Flame retardants and burn enhancers, preservatives, pesticides, and flavorings for your Ronnie Rayguns smoking pleasure. None of it in Ganja and therefore no comparison, therefore no mention. Libertarians didn't mention it cause they sell it along with the GOPerverts. The DNC, under Klintoon and the Czarbarry criminalized more Americans than Boosh, Rayguns and Nexxon combined. Authorizing the Patriot Ax, Sewders Axing of the Higher Education Act and NAFTA/SPLAT.
Joe Bliedens lie tacking the RAVE Ax onto amber alerts, keeping NORML rallies from taking place, do to the risk. Prison rape as a deterrent... to relieving nausea and spasms. Klintoon started eradicating non-psychoactive ditchweed hemp as Ganja to raise the numbers. Now real Americans are doing real hard time for burlap. Hitlerian crude oil producing states giving 93 year terms for personal garden stash. Booze and Casino's don't like it. Stoners don't seem to get drunk and dump cash into slot machines like x drug Czar Bennetts. Walter’s co author.
Same people in the Oblamo infrastructure. As Boosh juniors was x daddy cut throats from Iran Contra to being appointed president. Cliarence Thomas was Monsanto's hatchet lawyer. Keeping dioxins dumped into the Mississippi for 7 years while they appealed each guilty case. Exxon Valdeze has done the same. Their pet rock Palin whoring for big oil. All of this is why we have the Ganjawar. Selling those Wallmart St "treatments" over prevention and cures. Yes Nathan, the Ganjawar is a product and tax payers buy it without much questioning. Paid "reformers" and then what's popular-ists kick the tires once in a while. The agenda is to keep er goin. No money in Peace for Industrial Complexes treating problems. The neat thang is anything can become a problem with enough advertising. Hobgoblin Treatment Centers.
Pro Life Hell, Not even anti-abortionists
Preconception exposure to the pesticides glyphosate, atrazine, carbaryl, and 2,4-D increased relative risk of spontaneous abortion by 20-40%. Risks were even higher for women exposed to pesticides at age 35 or older and for women exposed to pesticide mixtures.
Switching cotton fields to hemp fields would improve: the quality of our soil, the durability of our clothes, the safety of our ground source water, Cotton crops in the USA occupy 1% of the country’s farmland but use 50% of all pesticides.
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Posted by: lalala on Jun 14, 2009 2:23 AM
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Morphine is very dangerous. Pot on the other hand has no potential for lethal overdose.
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Posted by: aahpat on Jun 14, 2009 4:40 AM
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Take your seeds and covertly spread them around government building gardens. Around the homes of your local politicians. And around police stations.
If each pot smoker has an ounce of seed the protest would be massive.
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Posted by: Fallstaff on Jun 14, 2009 6:43 PM
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As a Canadian I've always been stunned at American's ability to talk about their great freedom while living under this tyrannical 'war on drugs'. The hypocrisy and lack of self knowledge.
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Posted by: NCBluejay on Jun 17, 2009 10:55 AM
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Posted by: silvertogn on Jun 23, 2009 6:30 PM
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In my opinion, no one has the right to disturb another person unless they have done something wrong to some one else...
With that said; In ALL cases in the court system there should be an injured party. No injured party, no case! Period!
I have a real problem with hemp and drug arrests in general. The Netherlands are closing prisions in thier country instead of building new ones. We, on the other hand have more people incarcerated than any other country in the world, and we still call this place "the home of the free"! Come on People get with it!!
The government has no right to make anything that has no "injured party" illegal.
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