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The easiest way to take nutmeg is to grind whole nutmegs and add them to juice. Freshly ground nutmeg is the best, because powdered nutmeg soon loses the oils that give it its distinct flavor and unique properties. I find the flavor goes with orange juice quite well--one just has to accept that the juice will be thick, if not chunky. A good way to test the potency of nutmeg is to insert a darning needle (or similar device) one centimeter into the flesh of the nut; if a drop of oil bubbles up after pulling the needle out then the nutmeg is good.
Karlos Fandango reports on Erowid.org that the active principle can be extracted by boiling nutmeg and collecting the waxy film that collects on top of the pot as the water cools (Fandango 2001). What Fandango has described is a way of extracting the fixed oil of nutmeg, otherwise known as nutmeg butter. Nutmeg butter has limited medicinal or cosmetic use, and does not contain the suspected active components of nutmeg, which are primarily myristicin, elemicin, and safrole (while myristicin alone has been shown to be psychoactive, it does not appear to completely replicate the inebriation caused by nutmeg). Nutmeg butter does contain trimyristin, which may have slight sedative effects. However, my attempts to repeat Fandango's recipe produced no sedation nor any other psychoactive effects.
Another preparation floating around the Internet is a recipe for "space paste" (Me 2001). The recipe is as follows, where one "part" equals a tablespoon.
4 parts nutmeg (ground from whole nutmeg)
4 parts almonds (soak overnight and rinse)
4 parts raw pistachios
2 parts cinnamon
1 part cumin
1 part tarragon
1 part oregano
1 part basil
1 part turmeric
1/2 part cayenne pepper
1/2 part black pepper
maple syrup (to taste)
One Internet poster, identifying himself as "Me," compared eating two tablespoons of space paste to eating marijuana brownies and reported that this dose produced mild hallucinations (Me 2001). Two tablespoons of paste would contain less than one teaspoon of nutmeg--a threshold dose at best. However, a quick search of the Internet demonstrated that "Me" was not the only individual to have success with this recipe. The following question was submitted to a medical web site:
Mother brings 14 y.o. female to emergency room. Initial exam is exceptional for elevated respiration and BP, nausea, moderate perspiration, and child complaining of colorful hallucinations. A typical LSD case, or maybe an exotic hallucinogen? Nope. Kids made a concoction out of the following ingredients: Nutmeg, almonds, raw pistachios, cinnamon, cumin, tarragon, oregano, basil, turmeric, cayenne pepper, black pepper, and Maple Syrup, mixed into a vanilla milkshake. Nice coating for pork chops, but is there anything here that would explain the patient's condition? -- Houston, TX (Houston 2006).
The questioner was advised that nutmeg was the likely culprit. However, given the low levels of nutmeg, other ingredients likely play a synergistic role in the inebriating effect. The author, "Me," declares that the recipe will not work unless all ingredients are included. Black pepper also contains high levels of myristicin, and the Winter 2003 issue of The Entheogen Review commented on how the chemical piperine from black pepper inhibits the metabolism of some drugs/chemicals, leading to an increase in their effects [TER 12(4): 134]. Capsaicin, a chemical found in cayenne pepper, is also a mild inhibitor of cytochrome P450 2E1, which is a mixed-function oxidase involved in metabolism that mediates some drug interactions. It could be that one or both of these peppers is the reason why lower doses of nutmeg seem to have stronger effects when taken via this preparation.
While few inebriating plant preparations are palatable for the average person, there are some low-dose nutmeg preparations useful as aphrodisiacs or mood-elevators that are quite agreeable. Add 1/4 to 1/2 tsp of nutmeg to a cup of hot chocolate and let it simmer until the surface of the drink becomes oily. This makes for a spicy drink that helps to allay anxiety and imbues confidence and a positive outlook.
Christian Rtsch and Claudia Mller-Ebeling (2006) offer the following recipe for "Cookies for Preventing Sadness" in their book Pagan Christmas: The Plants, Spirits, and Rituals at the Origins of Yuletide. The recipe is slightly modified for purposes of American baking measurements.
2 Tbsp ground nutmeg
2 Tbsp ground cinnamon
1.5 tsp ground cloves
3 cups flour
3/4 cup sugar
2 sticks of butter
2 eggs
pinch salt
3/4 cup chopped almonds
Mix ingredients and bake cookies at 350F for five to ten minutes. The cookies are sweet, spicy, and they lift the spirits. Perfect for the holidays.
PHARMACOLOGY & TOXICITY
Nutmeg consists of 45-60% cellulose and solid matter, 24-40% fixed oils and 5-15% volatile oils. The fixed oil (or "butter") of nutmeg is an orange-colored waxy substance. The butter contains 70-85% trimyristin, which has been shown to have a sedative effect on chickens, and it also contains myristic acid. The real power of nutmeg, however, is contained within the volatile (or essential) oil.
The volatile oil of nutmeg is a pale-yellow, nearly colorless liquid, with a distinct smell of nutmeg. The volatile oil contains 80% monoterpenes and 5% monoterpene alcohols with the remainder made up by aromatic ethers and miscellaneous compounds (Forrest & Heacock 1972). The aromatic ether fraction contains myristicin, elemicin, and safrole, along with other alkyl-benzene derivatives, such as estragole, eugenol, iso-elemicin, iso-eugenol, methyl-eugenol, methyl-isoeugenol, and methoxy-eugenol (Kalbhen 1971; Forrest & Heacock 1972; Shulgin 1967; Shulgin et al. 1967; Duke 2008), and it is believed to be responsible for the psychoactive effects of nutmeg.
It has been speculated that the psychoactivity of myristicin, elemicin, and safrole is due to their metabolizing into known psychoactive compounds. Alexander Shulgin proposed in 1967 that the compounds would metabolize in the body as follows: myristicin to MMDA; elemicin to TMA; and safrole into MDA (Shulgin 1967). However, studies that have tried to confirm this process were unable to detect amphetamine-type compounds in the urine of rats that were administered myristicin and safrole (Forrest & Heacock 1972, citing Oswald et al. 1971).
The psychoactive effects of nutmeg are still not well understood, and only myristicin has been tested on human subjects.
Myristicin, or methoxysafrole, is a benzodioxole with slight MAO-inhibiting properties. Myristicin is a colorless oil that generally does not crystallize, even at extremely low temperatures (i.e., -30C). Myristicin is mostly stable upon storage, but still subject to gradual changes in composition. Myristicin is insoluble in water and only slightly soluble in ethanol. The best solvents for extracting myristicin are benzene and diethyl ether.
Myristicin generally makes up 4-8% of nutmeg's volatile oil and has been found in concentrations as high as 1.3% of nutmeg by weight (C.E.F.S. 2005). The myristicin content in mace is generally double that of nutmeg, making it potentially more potent than nutmeg.
Myristicin is active at the 5-HT receptors in the brain, and has been shown to have hypotensive, sedative, anti-depressant, anesthetic, hallucinogenic, and serotonergic properties (Sangalli & Chiang 2001). Large doses generally cause hyper-excitability, followed by CNS depression. Myristicin is fairly unique as a hallucinogen (if it may be classified as such), because it lacks a nitrogen atom. It is also rare for a compound lacking a nitrogen group to show activity at the brain's 5-HT receptors.
Myristicin's psychoactive properties were confirmed by a study on ten human participants in 1961 (Hallstrom & Thuvander 1997, citing Truitt et al. 1961). Each of the participants was administered 400 mg of myristicin, or approximately 6-7 mg/kg by body weight. Only four of the participants experienced psychoactive effects, including euphoria, anxiety, and trouble concentrating.1
That only four participants experienced psychoactive effects at this level suggests that 400 mg or (6-7 mg/kg) is a threshold effective dose for nearly half of the population. Time of onset was between two and three hours after ingestion. Interestingly, 400 mg of myristicin is around twice the amount of myristicin that would be present in a moderate-high psychoactive dose of nutmeg, suggesting that myristicin is not the sole psychoactive agent in nutmeg.
Myristicin is found elsewhere in nature, notably in black pepper, carrots, celery, dill weed, parsley, and parsnip. Myristicin is almost completely processed in the body within 48 hours of ingestion. This long processing period may help to explain the extraordinary length of nutmeg's effect.
Because of myristicin's close relationship with safrole, it has long been considered a "suspected carcinogen." However, scientific data is lacking on this point. Several studies indicate possible carcinogenicity, but the results have been statistically insignificant. Myristicin has shown mild DNA binding properties, an indicator of carcinogenicity, but has not been found to be genotoxic (Hallstrom & Thuvander 1997).
In one study, twelve rats were administered 10 mg/kg of myristicin per day for twenty-six days. After this period, no differences in body weight were discernible from the control group and no abnormalities were detected in the liver or kidneys. The LD-50 (lethal dose for 50% of the population) in rats was shown to be greater than 1000 mg/kg (Hallstrom & Thuvander 1997). For comparison sake, the threshold effective dose in humans stands around 6-7 mg/kg.
Myristicin has also been suspected as a potential hepatotoxin, but the studies available suggest that rather than being hepatotoxic, myristicin may in fact be hepatoprotective (Morita et al. 2003).
One study consisted of injecting mice with LPS (lipopolysaccharide) and d-GaIN (d-galactosamine), both liver toxins, and measuring the changes in levels of ALT (alanine aminotransferase) and AST (aspartate aminotransferase), both enzymes that indicate liver injury. A single oral dose of myristicin at quantities of 50, 100 and 200 mg/kg was shown to inhibit serum elevations of both ALT and AST in the injected mice (Morita et al. 2003). Further, DNA fragmentation generally caused by the liver toxins LPS and d-GaIN was effectively suppressed by a single oral dose of 200 mg/kg of myristicin (Morita et al. 2003).
Several studies on mice suggest that myristicin may reduce the frequency of and inhibit the growth of tumors. One study showed that myristicin significantly reduced tumor formation in the lungs and forestomachs of mice with benzo(a)pyrene-induced carcinogenicity (Hallstrom & Thuvander 1997). Myristicin has also been shown to be an inducer of GST (glutathione S-transferase), a substance that inhibits tumorigenesis. Myristicin was shown to cause a fourfold increase in GST activity in the liver and a threefold increase in the small intestine (C.S.W.G. 1997).
Studies on other animals have been less promising. Cats orally administered 400 mg/kg of myristicin experienced fatty degeneration of the liver while rabbits and guinea pigs administered myristicin subcutaneously experienced both brain and liver lesions (Forrest & Heacock 1972).
Studies on chronic and reproductive toxicity and carcinogenicity of myristicin are still lacking. Further studies on myristicin's hepatoprotective and tumor-inhibiting properties are also needed.
Elemicin, one of the other suspected psychoactive components of nutmeg, is similar to myristicin in that it lacks a nitrogen group and is also active at the brain's 5-HT receptors. Elemicin has displayed anti-depressant, hallucinogenic, anti-histamine, hypotensive and anti-serotonergic properties (Sangalli & Chiang 2000). There is some evidence of DNA binding and genotoxicity with elemicin (C.E.F.S. 2005). Studies on hepatocarcinogenicity have been inconclusive.
Safrole is also suspected of contributing to the psychoactive properties of nutmeg, but there is sparse evidence to support this theory. Safrole makes up 75-80% of oil of sassafras, which has been used medicinally for hundreds of years and has never been reported to be hallucinogenic (Forrest & Heacock 1972). The FDA considers safrole to be carcinogenic--a finding that some herbalists take issue with based on its long history of safe use by various Native American groups (Buhner 1998).
The terpenes are generally not suspected of contributing to the psychoactivity of nutmeg. However, many compounds from the terpenic fraction of nutmeg are structurally similar to known CNS stimulants. Overdoses on some terpene-containing medicines have also been reported to produce similar reactions to those caused by nutmeg (Forrest & Heacock 1972). Whether psychoactive or not, the terpenes may still contribute to the effect of nutmeg by irritating the gastrointestinal tract and thus facilitating absorption of the suspected psychoactive compounds (Kalbhen 1971).
While the toxicity of nutmeg is still in question, there are numerous reports of accidental poisonings and emergency room visits that help provide some extra information. In poisoning cases vitals are taken and organs are checked and monitored for abnormalities. Several case studies merit brief mention. The Journal of Internal Medicine reported on the case of a thirty-two-year-old man who sought emergency room care after ingesting seven grams of ground nutmeg (Sjoholm et al. 1998). The hospital ran tests on the man and found that his blood count, electrolyte levels, calcium and liver enzymes were all within normal ranges. The Journal of Clinical Toxicology also reported on a nutmeg poisoning case involving a thirteen-year-old who had ingested 15-25 grams of nutmeg (Sangalli & Chiang 2000). Tests conducted on the boy showed that electrolyte levels, renal and liver function, urinalysis, hematology, and a pelvic ultrasound all returned without abnormality. Almost all cases of nutmeg poisoning are resolved without note and most emergency room visits are accounted for by accidental poisonings or by panic reactions.
There are two recorded deaths involving nutmeg poisoning. The first case involved an eight-year-old boy who ingested fourteen grams of nutmeg, or the equivalent of 560 mg/kg of myristicin by body weight (Stein et al. 2001). The boy fell into a coma and died twenty-four hours after ingestion. There do not appear to be any other explanations beyond nutmeg poisoning for the boy's death. The second case involved the death of a fifty-five-year-old woman (Stein et al. 2001). The woman was found with toxic, but not fatal, concentrations of flunitrazepam (Rohypnol) in her blood. Blood tests also showed the presence of myristicin, with a speculated dose of between 560 and 840 mg/kg of myristicin by body weight. While the myristicin levels in the two fatal cases are comparable, it is believed that the combination of a high dose of nutmeg and a toxic dose of flunitrazepam was the cause of death. Other instances from emergency rooms and poison control centers report that cases of nutmeg poisoning involving up to eighty grams of nutmeg (or up to 1100 mg/kg of myristicin by body weight) have occurred without the presence of life-threatening symptoms (Stein et al. 2001).
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This article, however, elucidates while treating the reader with the respect deserved by intelligent people reading for knowledge. I hope the comment column doesn't fill up with ninnies trying to protect us from ourselves.
Many thanks for the work, research, and writing! Now, could I convince the author to help me research the similarities between anandamine and certain lecithin constituents?
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I also experimented, when I was young, with just about every intoxicant there is, except for PCP, which only idiots willingly take. I soon discovered that Nutmeg was like PCP, something one only tried once, if one had any sense.
Now, I can save you the trouble, if the writer of this 8-page Nutmeg epic didn't warn you, of making this mistake: it's totally NOT worth it. First of all, you have to ingest enough of the stuff that you'll be sickened anytime you smell it again afterwards, for years; second, it only gives one a mild sense of disassosiation, like one experiences during a mild fever. It is not like Ketamine at all. It will also almost certainly make you sick. I used to have an iron stomach, and I was able to keep it down, but it made me queasy, and gave me a headache.
So, anyone thinking of experimenting with Nutmeg: save yourself this experience. And save the Nutmeg for a dash in your eggnog.
This is one of the only truly safe drugs to use to seriously alter the consciousness: psilocybin mushrooms (and do not attempt to find these yourself without detailed pictures, and preferably a guide who has picked them before.) Many mushrooms are deadly in their toxicity. Mushrooms are also unpredicable as far as dose. The more purplish liquid they "bleed," usually the more saturated with psilocybin. They are, however, very safe. Just make sure you're not allergic first by rubbing some of one of the mushrooms against your skin, and waiting 15 mins. for any reaction. If there's ANY reaction, find another drug. If not, I recommend starting out at a low dosage. A lot of people, grown used to fake black-market "acid"--which is almost never real LSD, let alone LSD-25-- and which doesn't cause one to really "trip," take mushrooms in a large dose, and end up panicking when the walls start breathing. Start off with a single cup if you make a tea from the mushrooms (blending it with grape coolaide almost entirely masks the unpleasant--but not noxious--taste. Or, eat 3 big mushrooms, 4 medium-sized ones. By a big mushroom I mean one as big as or bigger than an adult male's palm--3.5 to 4.5 inches in diameter. If they're 4.5, and heavily saturated, maybe just try two.
By the way, I am not advocating the use of these substances. But if you must experiment, better to do so safely. The most important things of all about tripping are Leary's "Set and Setting." Set is your mind-set before under-going a psychedelic experience. If you are worried about something, have any serious mental problems, or anything like that, do not use psychedelics. You should spend at least half an hour meditating, or just lying down and preparing yourself. Tell yourself to remember that you have taken a mind-altering drug, and to look upon the experience objectively as possible, as a learning experience. Always have someone around who is sober and can help should anything go wrong. Finally, the "setting," is the physical location and enviroment in which you take the trip. This should be someplace where you feel safe. The beach, near sunset, is a great place to start, but only if the beach affords privacy and will not attract law enforcement. You also don't want to get too far away from civilization, in case something goes wrong, although this is unlikely if one follows these guildlines. The next or possibly best place to start is in your own home, with some ambient music set to play, and candles set for lighting. Florescent lights are very unpleasant to trippers. If you do not feel the shrooms at first, give it some time. Do not take more until you've allowed an hour 15 mins, esp. if you ate a big meal before.
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don't give them more 'personal choices' to remove from our slowly-deteriorating list of pleasures we're 'allowed' to enjoy...
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Hehehe... somehow I managed it.
I got really sick for a day and a half, and I was tripping hard for three days.
But to this day, I really can't stand the taste of nutmeg anymore.
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Maybe this should have been a book instead of an AlterNet article – heck, half of that book is here already.
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But to me the crucial question is suspension: In this time of contagious global capitalism, any agent that permits us access to nonordinary "reality," however temporary, is worth the exploration.
Hell, with the right (left) kind of prosthesis I can be just like my neighbor.
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Honestly, i can say ive tried this, and there's a reason this is still legal. a comparitively short trip followed by two days of muscle weakness and general fatigue. and nausea. and headache. With proper hydration and all that.
btw, Anyone else notice that Alternet is allowing the government's disgusting anti-drug ads on these articles?
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It was slightly hallucinogenic but nothing special. But it did cause tachycardia and I was so concerned about it I had my roommate take me to the ER.
One odd effect it had was that my sense of hearing was super-enhanced. I could hear things from far away very well. In the ER, after I had sat in a room for a long time and had not received any treatment, I could hear two doctors far away discussing me. One of them said to the other "Charge him $100 and send him home." Sure enough, a few minutes later, the one came in and discharged me. The bill for their doing nothing was $100. Probably should have at least given me activated charcoal or something to clean out my system.
I went home and slept for about 24 hours straight after that.
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There are MUCH safer intoxicants.
The effects are not very fun.
Research morning glory seeds if you want a cheap legal entheogen.
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This article, however, elucidates while treating the reader with the respect deserved by intelligent people reading for knowledge. I hope the comment column doesn't fill up with ninnies trying to protect us from ourselves.
Many thanks for the work, research, and writing! Now, could I convince the author to help me research the similarities between anandamine and certain lecithin constituents?
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I also experimented, when I was young, with just about every intoxicant there is, except for PCP, which only idiots willingly take. I soon discovered that Nutmeg was like PCP, something one only tried once, if one had any sense.
Now, I can save you the trouble, if the writer of this 8-page Nutmeg epic didn't warn you, of making this mistake: it's totally NOT worth it. First of all, you have to ingest enough of the stuff that you'll be sickened anytime you smell it again afterwards, for years; second, it only gives one a mild sense of disassosiation, like one experiences during a mild fever. It is not like Ketamine at all. It will also almost certainly make you sick. I used to have an iron stomach, and I was able to keep it down, but it made me queasy, and gave me a headache.
So, anyone thinking of experimenting with Nutmeg: save yourself this experience. And save the Nutmeg for a dash in your eggnog.
This is one of the only truly safe drugs to use to seriously alter the consciousness: psilocybin mushrooms (and do not attempt to find these yourself without detailed pictures, and preferably a guide who has picked them before.) Many mushrooms are deadly in their toxicity. Mushrooms are also unpredicable as far as dose. The more purplish liquid they "bleed," usually the more saturated with psilocybin. They are, however, very safe. Just make sure you're not allergic first by rubbing some of one of the mushrooms against your skin, and waiting 15 mins. for any reaction. If there's ANY reaction, find another drug. If not, I recommend starting out at a low dosage. A lot of people, grown used to fake black-market "acid"--which is almost never real LSD, let alone LSD-25-- and which doesn't cause one to really "trip," take mushrooms in a large dose, and end up panicking when the walls start breathing. Start off with a single cup if you make a tea from the mushrooms (blending it with grape coolaide almost entirely masks the unpleasant--but not noxious--taste. Or, eat 3 big mushrooms, 4 medium-sized ones. By a big mushroom I mean one as big as or bigger than an adult male's palm--3.5 to 4.5 inches in diameter. If they're 4.5, and heavily saturated, maybe just try two.
By the way, I am not advocating the use of these substances. But if you must experiment, better to do so safely. The most important things of all about tripping are Leary's "Set and Setting." Set is your mind-set before under-going a psychedelic experience. If you are worried about something, have any serious mental problems, or anything like that, do not use psychedelics. You should spend at least half an hour meditating, or just lying down and preparing yourself. Tell yourself to remember that you have taken a mind-altering drug, and to look upon the experience objectively as possible, as a learning experience. Always have someone around who is sober and can help should anything go wrong. Finally, the "setting," is the physical location and enviroment in which you take the trip. This should be someplace where you feel safe. The beach, near sunset, is a great place to start, but only if the beach affords privacy and will not attract law enforcement. You also don't want to get too far away from civilization, in case something goes wrong, although this is unlikely if one follows these guildlines. The next or possibly best place to start is in your own home, with some ambient music set to play, and candles set for lighting. Florescent lights are very unpleasant to trippers. If you do not feel the shrooms at first, give it some time. Do not take more until you've allowed an hour 15 mins, esp. if you ate a big meal before.
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» RE: Alternet Must be Desperate for Stories-An 8 Page Article on Nutmeg?
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Posted by: QQOblivion on Jun 9, 2009 7:20 AM
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Jun 9, 2009 8:46 AM
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don't give them more 'personal choices' to remove from our slowly-deteriorating list of pleasures we're 'allowed' to enjoy...
Perspective.
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» RE: are you trying to get nutmeg banned?
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Posted by: chariotdrvr14 on Jun 9, 2009 9:29 AM
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Hehehe... somehow I managed it.
I got really sick for a day and a half, and I was tripping hard for three days.
But to this day, I really can't stand the taste of nutmeg anymore.
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Posted by: monkeywrench on Jun 9, 2009 9:40 AM
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Maybe this should have been a book instead of an AlterNet article – heck, half of that book is here already.
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Posted by: Jaffe on Jun 9, 2009 11:30 AM
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But to me the crucial question is suspension: In this time of contagious global capitalism, any agent that permits us access to nonordinary "reality," however temporary, is worth the exploration.
Hell, with the right (left) kind of prosthesis I can be just like my neighbor.
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Posted by: kelethian on Jun 9, 2009 11:36 AM
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Honestly, i can say ive tried this, and there's a reason this is still legal. a comparitively short trip followed by two days of muscle weakness and general fatigue. and nausea. and headache. With proper hydration and all that.
btw, Anyone else notice that Alternet is allowing the government's disgusting anti-drug ads on these articles?
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Posted by: ReallyBearish on Jun 9, 2009 11:45 AM
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Posted by: Althaea on Jun 10, 2009 2:05 AM
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It was slightly hallucinogenic but nothing special. But it did cause tachycardia and I was so concerned about it I had my roommate take me to the ER.
One odd effect it had was that my sense of hearing was super-enhanced. I could hear things from far away very well. In the ER, after I had sat in a room for a long time and had not received any treatment, I could hear two doctors far away discussing me. One of them said to the other "Charge him $100 and send him home." Sure enough, a few minutes later, the one came in and discharged me. The bill for their doing nothing was $100. Probably should have at least given me activated charcoal or something to clean out my system.
I went home and slept for about 24 hours straight after that.
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Posted by: drblack on Jun 11, 2009 6:38 PM
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There are MUCH safer intoxicants.
The effects are not very fun.
Research morning glory seeds if you want a cheap legal entheogen.
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