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Marijuana and Cocaine Should Be Legalized, Says Latin American Drugs Commission
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Marijuana and cocaine for personal use should be decriminalised because the "war on drugs" has been a disaster, according to some of Latin America's most powerful politicians and writers.
The current international policy on drugs encourages corruption and violence that is threatening democracy throughout the continent, according to the former president of Brazil, Fernando Enrique Cardoso, who is a co-president of the Latin American commission on drugs and democracy. As well as politicians, the commission includes the writers Mario Vargas Llosa of Peru, and Paulo Coelho of Brazil.
The election of Barack Obama has opened up the best opportunity for decades to address the failure of the "so-called drugs war", Cardoso told the Guardian today on a visit to London. He said he was hopeful that the international community would acknowledge that the time had come for a "paradigm shift" in the debate on drugs. "The war on drugs has failed in spite of enormous efforts in places like Colombia -- the area of coca crops is not reducing," he said.
The current system of prohibition encouraged corruption among police officers, politicians and even judges. "It poisons the whole system, it undermines democracy," Cardoso said. "The war on drugs is based on repression ... How can people believe in democracy if the rule of law doesn't work?" Users should be offered treatment rather than jail, he said.
"The starting point has to be the United States," he said. "Now we have a new American administration, which is much more open-minded than before." He said he had held talks with the US state department in the later years of the Bush administration and found that, privately, many of the officials there shared his views.
Cardoso said that the changes would have to be co-ordinated. "We need an international convention, otherwise you will have different countries doing different things," he said. "But the climate is changing for the first time for many years. Even in the US, they recognise we are in deadlock now." Obama had already made it clear that the idea of a "war on drugs" was not workable. The need for change is urgent, said Cardoso, because of what is happening in Latin America. "There is a very grave situation in Mexico," he said. "More people are being killed there (through the drugs war) than in Iraq." He said that it was easier for former presidents who were no longer in office or running for election to speak out on such a controversial issue. He added that ending the war on drugs would be not be a signal that drugs were acceptable but a recognition that current policies had failed.
"You have to show that drugs are harmful, even light drugs, like marijuana - it is better not to use drugs - but tobacco is harmful also yet its use is being reduced by education," said Cardoso. He added that the vast quantities of money being used to enforce "repressive" policies on drugs could be put into treatment and education. Hundreds of thousands of people were being unnecessarily criminalised and sent to prison, "which are schools of crime."
The previous UN drugs policy that aimed to eliminate all drug use by this year was ill-conceived, he said. "You can never stop drugs use," he said, likening it to some of the failed policies in the past over HIV/Aids. "You can't have zero drugs any more than you can have a zero sex policy but you can have a safe sex policy." He said that Brazil's success in halting the HIV/Aids epidemic, which meant promoting the use of condoms in a Catholic country, was an example of how people's behaviour could be changed by education rather than repression.
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Posted by: texsocalist on May 28, 2009 6:10 PM
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Posted by: Cory.Goodman on May 29, 2009 2:46 AM
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yeah well, we haven't quite figured that one out either so.......
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Posted by: aahpat on May 29, 2009 5:05 AM
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There can be no reform of the authoritarian drug war laws because its America's leading tool of social and political repression in the world and in America.
There will especially not be any reform while the Democrats control the U.S. government. The Democrats encourage drug policy reform ONLY while the Republicans are in power. It is a tool to distract the Republicans and to indoctrinate youthful voters into the idea that the the Republicans are bed drug warriors.
But then, when Democrats get control of the government, drug policy reform goes by the wayside as the Democrats work to escalate and militarize the drug war both in America and around the world.
Drug policy reform groups in America are co-opted and controlled by the Democrats. The groups get big money from Democrat fat cats while the GOP is in control of the government. But the groups all fall and shut down their activists when the Democrats get control. After all, we can't rock the Democrat boat.
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Posted by: aahpat on May 29, 2009 5:24 AM
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As a result of this success the war on drugs is so entrenched in American governance and has so corrupted American democracy that the war on drugs will not be dislodged or diminished, in America, by democratic means.
I have watched the development of the war on drugs since its inception and cannot escape this conclusion. A nation simply cannot use democracy to restore democracy once democracy is gone.
Democrats and Republicans simply will not give up this means to their undemocratic authoritarian control of America. No matter how many citizens in the states vote for reform. No matter how many citizens sign petitions.
Democracy is a failed in America. And that means that the war on drugs is a success.
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Posted by: aahpat on May 29, 2009 6:04 AM
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This is the kind of misinformation that the Obama administration hoped for when they had the drug czar make the assertion about ending the war on drugs. The fact is that the administration is simply ending the use of the rhetorical mechanism "War on Drugs". The administration is in fact escalating and militarizing the war on drugs.
The Obama administration, in an arrogant display of political cynicism, recognizes the negative political connotations that have accumulated around the term 'War on Drugs'. They do not want the potential political damage of being associated with the term 'War on Drugs'.
But the fact is that the Obama administration has increased spending on the war on drugs both domestically and internationally. He is making plans to militarize the Mexican border war. And many of the troops going to Afghanistan are finding themselves fighting the war on drugs in the poppy fields rather than directly fighting the Taliban that profits from the black market created by the war on drugs prohibition policy.
As time goes on we will see more references in the media to the Obama administration ending the war on drugs. And assertions that the administration considers the war on drugs a failure. Its bogus. Its bullshit!
When Obama, some years ago, said the war on drugs was a failure it was to affirm his belief that America has not fought the war intensely enough. The right-wing has used this argument for decades each time criticism of the failure of the drug war gets into legislatures. If they only had unlimited resources they could stop the drugs. Debates that start out critical of the failure turn into cheer leading sessions for escalation. Obama is doing the same damned thing.
Drug warrior Obama will not end the war on drugs. The only paradigm shift is in the rhetoric.
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Posted by: jstepp590 on May 29, 2009 7:58 AM
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As for cocaine? I have a hard time condoning legalizing the refined version because it is very addictive and could be turned into crack here in the States. However, that may not be necessary.
If we legalized the natural leaf version to be used just like the native americans did that would work much better. That isn't any more addictive than coffee and could be packaged before it ever gets to the U.S. or Europe. We could allow anyone over the age of 55 to be able to buy it over the counter to alleviate the normal aches and pains of aging, turning our growing elderly population into an asset instead of a liability. It takes a LOT of leaf to make refined cocaine and the farmers would make more selling the natual product, turning them against the drug dealers that they now protect. It would collapse the entire problem with the swipe of a pen.
Good luck getting this through our campaign finance system though. Lobbyists will block it and we'll continue with business as usual. When our we going to realize how badly our government has been hijacked and do something about it? They aren't working for us any more, which is why it doesn't matter what party is in power.
We no longer live in a democracy but a guilded cage. Wake up people.
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Posted by: MaudDib on May 30, 2009 10:07 AM
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Legalization is the only path.
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Posted by: Dr T on May 30, 2009 5:12 PM
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Yet no society has ever been successful in lightly regulating a concentrated stimulant like cocaine.
Marijuana is a plant and regulation should be minimal. As for medical use of marijuana, on September 6, 1988, after reviewing all the evidence, DEA Administrative Law Judge Francis L. Young stated in his ruling on a marijuana rescheduling petition that “Marijuana, in its natural form, is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man. By any measure of rational analysis marijuana can be safely used within a supervised routine of medical care”.
The policy should be legalization of all drugs with the degree of regulation of each substance dependent on the degree of harm to public health.
Decriminalization should be reserved for small amounts (depending on the drug) of drugs for personal possession.
Public health personnel can handle this much better than the criminal justice system and these policies would eliminate victimless crimes, the category of offenses that corrupts police.
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Posted by: alexanderosterhagen on Jun 25, 2009 2:54 AM
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As an example we can take the tobacco industry - tobacco is a legal drug but it's circulation and consumption is not fully controlled, so what we can see - ciggarettes sold everywhere, adults smoking while their children are near them. Children grow and smoking for them becomes a normal event.
The same is for drugs - if they would be come legal, what would be the results?
In Amsterdam marijuana and mushrooms are legal and this hasn't lowered at all their consumption, it only increased it.
I think the legalization of drugs will increase it's consumption and there is no difference if it's a safe drug intake or not. The main narcotic intake related problem is not the HIV or hepatitis, it's the society degeneration and this can't be legalized.
Drugs are a very good income source not only for drug dealers but also for the politicians and other law representatives who protect them and allow the circulation.
There are tons of heroin, cocaine and other drugs imported each year on the black market of US, do you think this is possible without being protected by superior officialities? I think not.
Here are some statistics of heroin import sources in USA:
Mexico 17%
South America 65%
Southeast Asia 14%
Southwest Asia 4%
South America is the leader, of course they want to legalize their business.
The same I can say about steroids in strength sports - I can't imagine a clean, drug free bodybuilder, powerlifter or strong man competitor. Most of them are using performance enhancing drugs and everyone knows it's illegal. If steroids would be legalized what would be the results? I'm sure even junior athletes will be using them, it will become a rule and a mandatory compound of sports.
My opinion is that our society is not ready for drug legalization and there is a huge work to be done before drugs could be legalized.
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Posted by: Cory.Goodman on May 29, 2009 2:46 AM
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yeah well, we haven't quite figured that one out either so.......
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Posted by: aahpat on May 29, 2009 5:05 AM
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There can be no reform of the authoritarian drug war laws because its America's leading tool of social and political repression in the world and in America.
There will especially not be any reform while the Democrats control the U.S. government. The Democrats encourage drug policy reform ONLY while the Republicans are in power. It is a tool to distract the Republicans and to indoctrinate youthful voters into the idea that the the Republicans are bed drug warriors.
But then, when Democrats get control of the government, drug policy reform goes by the wayside as the Democrats work to escalate and militarize the drug war both in America and around the world.
Drug policy reform groups in America are co-opted and controlled by the Democrats. The groups get big money from Democrat fat cats while the GOP is in control of the government. But the groups all fall and shut down their activists when the Democrats get control. After all, we can't rock the Democrat boat.
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Posted by: aahpat on May 29, 2009 5:24 AM
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As a result of this success the war on drugs is so entrenched in American governance and has so corrupted American democracy that the war on drugs will not be dislodged or diminished, in America, by democratic means.
I have watched the development of the war on drugs since its inception and cannot escape this conclusion. A nation simply cannot use democracy to restore democracy once democracy is gone.
Democrats and Republicans simply will not give up this means to their undemocratic authoritarian control of America. No matter how many citizens in the states vote for reform. No matter how many citizens sign petitions.
Democracy is a failed in America. And that means that the war on drugs is a success.
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Posted by: aahpat on May 29, 2009 6:04 AM
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This is the kind of misinformation that the Obama administration hoped for when they had the drug czar make the assertion about ending the war on drugs. The fact is that the administration is simply ending the use of the rhetorical mechanism "War on Drugs". The administration is in fact escalating and militarizing the war on drugs.
The Obama administration, in an arrogant display of political cynicism, recognizes the negative political connotations that have accumulated around the term 'War on Drugs'. They do not want the potential political damage of being associated with the term 'War on Drugs'.
But the fact is that the Obama administration has increased spending on the war on drugs both domestically and internationally. He is making plans to militarize the Mexican border war. And many of the troops going to Afghanistan are finding themselves fighting the war on drugs in the poppy fields rather than directly fighting the Taliban that profits from the black market created by the war on drugs prohibition policy.
As time goes on we will see more references in the media to the Obama administration ending the war on drugs. And assertions that the administration considers the war on drugs a failure. Its bogus. Its bullshit!
When Obama, some years ago, said the war on drugs was a failure it was to affirm his belief that America has not fought the war intensely enough. The right-wing has used this argument for decades each time criticism of the failure of the drug war gets into legislatures. If they only had unlimited resources they could stop the drugs. Debates that start out critical of the failure turn into cheer leading sessions for escalation. Obama is doing the same damned thing.
Drug warrior Obama will not end the war on drugs. The only paradigm shift is in the rhetoric.
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Posted by: jstepp590 on May 29, 2009 7:58 AM
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As for cocaine? I have a hard time condoning legalizing the refined version because it is very addictive and could be turned into crack here in the States. However, that may not be necessary.
If we legalized the natural leaf version to be used just like the native americans did that would work much better. That isn't any more addictive than coffee and could be packaged before it ever gets to the U.S. or Europe. We could allow anyone over the age of 55 to be able to buy it over the counter to alleviate the normal aches and pains of aging, turning our growing elderly population into an asset instead of a liability. It takes a LOT of leaf to make refined cocaine and the farmers would make more selling the natual product, turning them against the drug dealers that they now protect. It would collapse the entire problem with the swipe of a pen.
Good luck getting this through our campaign finance system though. Lobbyists will block it and we'll continue with business as usual. When our we going to realize how badly our government has been hijacked and do something about it? They aren't working for us any more, which is why it doesn't matter what party is in power.
We no longer live in a democracy but a guilded cage. Wake up people.
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Posted by: MaudDib on May 30, 2009 10:07 AM
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Legalization is the only path.
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Posted by: Dr T on May 30, 2009 5:12 PM
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Yet no society has ever been successful in lightly regulating a concentrated stimulant like cocaine.
Marijuana is a plant and regulation should be minimal. As for medical use of marijuana, on September 6, 1988, after reviewing all the evidence, DEA Administrative Law Judge Francis L. Young stated in his ruling on a marijuana rescheduling petition that “Marijuana, in its natural form, is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man. By any measure of rational analysis marijuana can be safely used within a supervised routine of medical care”.
The policy should be legalization of all drugs with the degree of regulation of each substance dependent on the degree of harm to public health.
Decriminalization should be reserved for small amounts (depending on the drug) of drugs for personal possession.
Public health personnel can handle this much better than the criminal justice system and these policies would eliminate victimless crimes, the category of offenses that corrupts police.
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Posted by: alexanderosterhagen on Jun 25, 2009 2:54 AM
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As an example we can take the tobacco industry - tobacco is a legal drug but it's circulation and consumption is not fully controlled, so what we can see - ciggarettes sold everywhere, adults smoking while their children are near them. Children grow and smoking for them becomes a normal event.
The same is for drugs - if they would be come legal, what would be the results?
In Amsterdam marijuana and mushrooms are legal and this hasn't lowered at all their consumption, it only increased it.
I think the legalization of drugs will increase it's consumption and there is no difference if it's a safe drug intake or not. The main narcotic intake related problem is not the HIV or hepatitis, it's the society degeneration and this can't be legalized.
Drugs are a very good income source not only for drug dealers but also for the politicians and other law representatives who protect them and allow the circulation.
There are tons of heroin, cocaine and other drugs imported each year on the black market of US, do you think this is possible without being protected by superior officialities? I think not.
Here are some statistics of heroin import sources in USA:
Mexico 17%
South America 65%
Southeast Asia 14%
Southwest Asia 4%
South America is the leader, of course they want to legalize their business.
The same I can say about steroids in strength sports - I can't imagine a clean, drug free bodybuilder, powerlifter or strong man competitor. Most of them are using performance enhancing drugs and everyone knows it's illegal. If steroids would be legalized what would be the results? I'm sure even junior athletes will be using them, it will become a rule and a mandatory compound of sports.
My opinion is that our society is not ready for drug legalization and there is a huge work to be done before drugs could be legalized.
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