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Don't Blame Pot -- There's No Such Thing as a "Gateway Drug"
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The surging debate surrounding the legalization of marijuana has brought with it the resurrection of the "gateway theory," which alleges that experimenting with marijuana leads to the use of harder drugs like cocaine, heroin and methamphetamine. The gateway debate was reborn last week, thanks to a video of FBI director Robert Mueller testifying before Congress that marijuana should be illegal because it leads to more dangerous drug use.
Although the Mueller video has provoked amusement on pot-friendly websites, the unfortunate reality is that the "gateway drug" stigma continues to present an impediment to the reform of marijuana laws. A new Rasmussen poll found that a large percentage of Americans believe the gateway argument:
The new survey also shows that nearly half of voters (46%) believe marijuana use leads to use of harder drugs. Thirty-seven percent (37%) do not see marijuana as a "gateway" drug.
Revealingly, the percentage who opposed marijuana legalization and the percentage who believed in the gateway theory were identical, both coming in at exactly 46%. As we look for ways to persuade those who remain opposed to marijuana reform, it's clearly in our interest to work towards demolishing the pernicious gateway theory once and for all. Let's take a look at what the data shows.
In 1999, the National Institute on Drug Abuse commissioned a major study on medical marijuana conducted by the venerable Institute of Medicine, which included an examination of marijuana's potential to lead to other drug use. In simple terms, the researchers explained why the gateway theory was unfounded:
Patterns in progression of drug use from adolescence to adulthood are strikingly regular. Because it is the most widely used illicit drug, marijuana is predictably the first illicit drug most people encounter. Not surprisingly, most users of other illicit drugs have used marijuana first. In fact, most drug users begin with alcohol and nicotine before marijuana -- usually before they are of legal age.
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There is no conclusive evidence that the drug effects of marijuana are causally linked to the subsequent abuse of other illicit drugs.
In 2006, the University of Pittsburgh released a more thorough study in which researchers spent 12 years tracking a group of subjects from adolescence into adulthood and documented the initiation and progression of their drug use. The researchers found that the gateway theory was not only wrong, but also harmful to properly understanding and addressing drug abuse:
This evidence supports what’s known as the common liability model, an emerging theory that states the likelihood that someone will transition to the use of illegal drugs is determined not by the preceding use of a particular drug but instead by the user’s individual tendencies and environmental circumstances.“The emphasis on the drugs themselves, rather than other, more important factors that shape a person’s behavior, has been detrimental to drug policy and prevention programs,” Dr. Tarter said. “To become more effective in our efforts to fight drug abuse, we should devote more attention to interventions that address these issues, particularly to parenting skills that shape the child’s behavior as well as peer and neighborhood environments.”
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Posted by: LMNOP on May 29, 2009 1:43 AM
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As the article says, there is nearly nothing that fits the description of a gateway drug: a drug that facilitates the use of a different drug (possible exception: drinking makes many people want to smoke). Drugs that lead to self-destructive behaviors in their acquisition and consumption may be addictive and lead to more use of the SAME drug. But that’s not passing through a gateway. People who pass through gateway after gateway on their way to potentially lethal drug abuse aren’t being guided by the drugs. They’re also escalating their criminal behavior – petty theft, then armed robbery, then bank robbery. Are these gateway crimes? Fucking idiots. It’s so embarrassing to have been born here.
Fucking liars. Fucking lying country.
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» Pot **IS NOT** a gateway drug...
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Posted by: adempatriot on May 29, 2009 1:52 AM
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Upton Sinclair wrote in "The Cup of Fury" that he wouldn't keep a dog which bit one in ten visitors. This was his explanation for why he didn't keep liquor in the house.
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» That's not what a gateway drug is in this context
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» Amigos
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» Nicotine
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Posted by: davy on May 29, 2009 2:37 AM
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Posted by: adempatriot on May 29, 2009 3:19 AM
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There is a well-documented phenomonen called "cross-tolerance". Different drugs have similar effects on neurological functions. For example, alcohol is cross-tolerant with benzodiazepines or barbiturates, and cocaine is cross-tolerant with amphetamines.
Most drug users have a so-called drug of choice. If the supply of drug of choice is interrupted, very often the user will go to a drug of second choice which will produce a similar effect.
I don't think pot is a gateway drug in that way. I'm for decriminalization for adults. I don't think pot should be available to minors, though, mainly because it affects short-term memory and the immune system, and ANY kind of smoke is unhealthy to breathe. Also, pot CAN adversely affect motivation, but not always; in some cases it can actually increase motivation. The catch is that if pot were legal for adults, it would also become more available to kids.
That being said, I think that kids would be harmed far less by smoking a joint than by being forced to take speed in the guise of Adderall XR, or using Valium, Xanax, or Klonopin from their parents' medicine cabinet.
If pot is at all a gateway drug, I think that is primarily because it is illegal. People who sell the so-called hard drugs also often sell pot. Not always, but often enough. I think this is mainly because pot is illegal, and classed as a Schedule 1 narcotic on the same list as heroin. Oxycontin and Xanax, which are much more dangerous drugs than marijuana, are classed as Schedule II and Schedule IV, respectively. Go figure. ( http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/scheduling.html )
If pot were decriminalized or legal, use of the hard drugs- both the illegal hard drugs such as the opiates, coke, and meth, and the legal hard drugs such as alcohol, tobacco, bendodiazapine tranquilizers, and amphetamines used to treat that elusive "disease" called ADD or ADHD- would go down.
The tobacco, liquor, and Big Pharma interests would lose business if pot became legal or decriminalized. The federal and state governments, and the various local, state, and federal police departments, would lose revenue if pot were legalized or decriminalized. Always follow the money.
3.2 beer is as much a gateway drug as marijuana. For that matter, even sugar can be a gateway drug.
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Posted by: palolololo on May 29, 2009 3:59 AM
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Never had any desire to try heroin or meth or coke or any of the other heavier drugs. It's just a bullshit diversion.
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Posted by: joeocho88 on May 29, 2009 3:59 AM
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THINK OF HOW FAST THAT TAX REVENUE WOULD PUT OUR ECONOMY IN THE BLACK!
SELL AND TAX AND LEGALIZE!
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Posted by: colinmeister on May 29, 2009 4:13 AM
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Buying Pot does bring one into contact with drug dealers, some of who also sell other drugs, so legalisation of weed is the best way to go, users could then just buy it from a gas station, drugstore, liquor store etc. like cigarettes.
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Posted by: geometeer on May 29, 2009 5:05 AM
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Maybe pot can reduce the pain of Windows, as well as the pain of chemotherapy.
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Posted by: peppylapew on May 29, 2009 5:50 AM
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Posted by: popeurbanxxiii on May 29, 2009 6:35 AM
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Is anybody advocating that we criminalize Ritalin because it may be a "gateway drug"? (Leaving aside the point that we should be doping up our children.)
Agnitionis!
Pope Urban XXIII
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Posted by: picket on May 29, 2009 7:02 AM
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The Prohibitionists have had a harder time trying to speak about the use of legal drugs that may lead to use of other more dangerous legal drugs. Big Pharma is a BIG Sugar Daddy for US Law Enforcement and others. It's not that "they" really care about OUR CHILDREN. It is all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$ and CONTROLLING POWER over other humans.
One example only is chronic pain. Millions who suffer every second of the day and are denied relief. Big Pharma starts them off with a little relief usually non addictive but useless for the pain, then escalation to harder legal narcotics,which is usually useless for REAL pain. then the real human control kicks into action...the weak led to the slaughter, and our so-called leaders laugh all the way to the bank.
Let us talk about some LEGAL gateway drugs, for a change!!!! Cannabis the illegal God-given herbal plant should be made legal and free. Our "handlers" will not let that happen, unless we make them.
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Posted by: Izzy Stoner on May 29, 2009 7:50 AM
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...to becoming president. Every occupant of the Oval Office since 1993 has inhaled. Would a good stiff prison sentence have been good for their lives and their careers? If not, then why is it so good for everyone else? What's the message they're sending to children? Don't get caught?
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Posted by: neilemac on May 29, 2009 8:20 AM
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Posted by: rickiey on May 29, 2009 8:24 AM
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Enjoying the hell out of pot led to me trying LSD, Heroin, and Cocaine. I really, really liked LSD, but Heroin and Cocaine scared me because I liked them TOO MUCH, so I didn't repeat with em.
I gave up pot and LSD, when we decided to have kids, only because of the illegality of it. I felt it wasn't my right to risk my kids futures (with the risk of incarceration).
If pot becomes legal, I will go from a non-user to a frequent user. Same with LSD.
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» You made your own choices, pot did not make them for you.
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Posted by: Crazy H on May 29, 2009 10:05 AM
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A condition which does not exist, and would seem to be at odds with the article itself.
Gotta love it.
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Posted by: DdC on May 29, 2009 11:36 AM
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Gateway? Prohibition is the only Gateway Stepping Stone.
Ganja has been used 5 thousand years.
Cocaine and Heroin were invented in the mid 1800's.
Can't Gateway to what hasn't been invented...
Prohibition leads to stolen auto parts too.
No lame opinions, No racist lies can be reformed, just eliminated.
Ganja is or it is not, Physics not Politics!
Pot Potency? Boomers' blissfully unfazed by mere facts.
"Higher Potency? Bunk. Always been high potency.
Vietnam was better pot than Cali kynd bud.
Government pot and hash oil Panama Acapolko Gold?
More BS to scare the yuppies.
We must hold the liars accountable,
and overturn past hobgoblins made Law.
Our reputation and integrity are on the line."
THE DEMONIZATION OF MARIHUANA
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts
when you have forgotten your aim."
~ George Santayana, "The Life of Reason"
The Racist Ganjawar
"...the primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races."
~ Harry J. Anslinger - America's 1st Drug Czar (FDR - JFK)
Kill the Messenger
"There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz, and swing, result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and any others."
~ Harry J. Anslinger
Teens More Likely To Try Ganja After DEAthreats
"Insanity is doing the same old thing
over and over again
and expecting a different result."
~ Bill Clinton,
campaign debate, October 11, 1992
Cannabis Exposure Not Toxic To The Developing Brain
"Reefer makes darkies think they're as good as white men."
~ Harry J. Anslinger
Drugwar Lies Linked to Schizophrenia
"Marihuana leads to pacifism and communist brainwashing"
~ Harry J. Anslinger
The Ganjawar Fraud...
"Marijuana is an addictive drug which produces in its users insanity, criminality, and death."
~ Harry J. Anslinger
Virtues' of Ganja
"This vice brings in 100 million francs each year.
I will certainly forbid it at once - as soon as you can name
a virtue that brings in as much revenue."
-- Napoleon Bonaparte
Vices Are Not Crimes
"Marijuana is the most violence-causing drug in the history of mankind."
~ Harry J. Anslinger
Drug War Distortions
"The passing of an unjust law is the suicide of authority."
~ Pastoral Letter of the American Roman Catholic Hierarchy, February 1920
Mérdénol is Synthetic Sabotage
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Posted by: willymack on May 29, 2009 11:43 AM
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Resistance to the legalization of psychoactive drugs, unlike the days of the Wommen's Christian Temperance Union comes from another quarter altogether. All the voices raised against pot and other drugs have but one source, and in my opinion, it's the BANKS which launder the drug money. There's no longer any doubt that banks are crooked. Just look at what's been happening the last year or so, for instance. Another thing to ponder over is Afghanistan, where bumper crops of opium poppies have been produced. Is our army there to pursue the will o' the wisp Osama bin Laden, or protect the opium crop? Don't forget, there's real money in illegal drugs, and a major incentive for those profiting so handsomely from it to keep it going.
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Posted by: Moz Volta on May 29, 2009 1:05 PM
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Having said that, I'm still for legalization. Starting with marijuana.
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» even this grants too much
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» It depends on the predominate drug in the neighbourhood
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Posted by: truthteller on May 29, 2009 3:03 PM
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I think we just need to acknowledge that a certain percentage of the population is going to be addicted to whatever mind-altering substance they can get their hands on. We then need to deal with them in a non-punitive way that does the least overall harm to them and society at-large, and that means something other than a criminal justice process.
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Posted by: sirios on May 29, 2009 7:00 PM
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Posted by: cdmsr on May 29, 2009 7:15 PM
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People spread unevenly across the spectrum and tend to cluster in the middle. Drug use provides an adjustable range of neural stimulation or inhibition.
Deliberate ingestion of mind-altering substances is observed throughout the animal kingdom: it is arguably a natural and evolutionarily beneficial activity.
As to the gateway aspect of encountering more powerful or more dangerous drugs as a result of pot shopping, most of the sellers of reefer I have known didn't offer a smorgasbord of substances. Most -- not all, but most -- sold only weed and they were in an informal "network" of people who smoked it, sought it, found it and procured it for themselves and their friends.
The more powerful substances were easily found, but seperately from pot.
At least as strong in the gateway rationale (I believe) is the "known liar" aspect: When somone has obviously, glaringly lied to you, you tend to mistrust and dimiss anything else they tell you. When "authorities" claim that marijuana is dangerous, addictive and destructive, that it drives yoy crazy, robs you of your will and makes you waste your life, shrinks your weiner and gives you boobs and causes ball cancer -- a crapwagon full of lies -- you tend to ignore their warnings about cocaine, heroin, LSD, et al. And sadly, as risky as those substances can be, the "authorities" still lie and inject racism and myth into discussions of their use.
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Posted by: chabnormal on May 29, 2009 7:55 PM
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Posted by: AlteredStates on May 29, 2009 10:28 PM
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The news media is a smörgåsbord of bullshit. Pick a subject, and the news media will distort it, guaranteed.
Show business, in all its' forms, is a cornucopia of distorted reality where "a star is born" and dies "overnight" (depending on the box office receipts for the week).
Vanity rules America. The more vain and preposterous, the more it sells.
Is it any wonder that the "answer" to all our problems is in a pill... from a pharmacy? If you were to really listen to a TV advertisement for most any prescription drug being "pushed" by the pharmaceutical industry, you would hear a litany of side effects that could possibly give you a stroke, heart attack, cancer, and, or, cause your death, but your cholesterol would go down, by 10%. Whoopee!!
But, Pot seems to be our favorite whipping boy with all of the wild claims that have been associated with its' use. It's been blamed for everything from dandruff to falling arches and everything in between (pun intended).
So, is it any wonder, (because of our strange fascination with vanity), that we are the sickest nation on the planet? We spend more, per capita, on "health care" than any other country in the world.
Oh, I almost forgot about food, or something like it. We eat more artery clogging, dyspepsia causing, obesity related, super-refined, hyper-concentrated food, than again, an other country in the world. It's hard to tell where illusion and hysteria collide. Pot is just one starting point, but it's an ever-loving, recurring one, that never seems to die.
Please, someone, send this nightmare about Pot into that eternal, delicious, good night.
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Posted by: Jaffe on May 30, 2009 10:01 AM
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Email leads to MySpace then Facebook, Twitter, & the ever-cooler social networking highs.
Cellphones lead to texting to naughty photo transmission to buying newer hardware to eating your cell and starting all over.
Video war games lead to real time war & torture, or the other way around. Real or virtual, the idea is to get stoned out of your gourd on triple-X-game violence.
Whatever technology you're addicted to, pay with your credit card while averting your eyes from "real time" innocent highs like ingesting cannabis.
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Posted by: Jaffe on May 30, 2009 10:04 AM
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Email leads to MySpace then Facebook, Twitter & the ever-cooler social networking highs.
Cellphones lead to texting to naughty photo transmission to buying newer hardware to eating your cell and starting all over.
Video war games lead to real time war & torture, or the other way around. Real or virtual, the idea is to get stoned out of your gourd on triple-X-game violence.
Whatever technology you're addicted to, pay with your credit card while averting your eyes from "real time" innocent highs like ingesting cannabis.
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Posted by: BobbieT on May 30, 2009 11:26 PM
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Cannabis would cut into the demand for antidepressants, anti-anxiety medications, pain medication.
And if opiods were legal as well? Who would go to the MD with their complaints of pain and recieve suspicious, grudging pain relief when you could go to the liquor store and get heroin.
It would unravel our entire for profit sick care industry.
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Posted by: Jaffe on May 31, 2009 10:38 AM
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Rather than go on about cannabis being a gateway, chemists should address agents such as opium, heroin, MDMA--lessen their side effects while preserving the euphoria.
It will never happen, obviously.
Louis Armstrong was said to have smoked cannabis every day of his adult life--then he'd pick up his horn and make people happy.
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Posted by: jgabby804 on May 31, 2009 10:43 AM
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Posted by: kettleblack on Jun 1, 2009 9:48 AM
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Remember when cannabis was widely used in all sots of tinctures and medicines? And cocaine was in the original CocaCola, and lithium was in the original SevenUp. (The Emperor Wears No Clothes" by Jack Herer)
But, since we DEPEND on caffeine to drive our economy, we are in denial of calling caffeine a drug. And, surely we cannot be addicted to something that is not classified as a drug, like caffeine.
Remember when our parents told us children that we could not drink coffee or smoke cigarettes until we were 18?
Now, we pump our kids full of caffeine and sugar and wonder why they display signs of ADD.
How many pot smokers drank colas before they lit a joint?
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Posted by: tokerdesigner on Jun 1, 2009 1:36 PM
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For fear their car will be confiscated, etc., many cannabis users surrender to the tyranny of compulsory overdose and roll an easy-to-hide, easy-to-discard hot-burning "joint" full of carbon monoxide to produce extreme drug-like effects which, once an individual is used to accepting them, can indeed lead to a lack of defensiveness against the persuasion to try real DRUGS, which is then conveniently blamed on the cannabis.
To find the real no. 1 enemy of cannabis legalization just "call for Philip Morris"...
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Posted by: Landbaron on Jun 6, 2009 11:35 AM
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Posted by: hjr2 on Jun 6, 2009 11:56 AM
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peace
hjr2
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Posted by: doneman2000 on Jun 6, 2009 12:05 PM
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The war on drugs is the biggest fraud to ever be perpetrated on the American citizens by its government.
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Posted by: Mickeyp2434 on Jun 6, 2009 1:06 PM
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In many tears of working with users of 'hard' drugs such as heroin, I have met a number whose use of illegal drugs began with the the harder drugs rather than cannabis.
However, I have only ever met one heroin user who did not smoke cigarettes. I have doubts about whether a 'gateway' exists but if it does, then tobacco is likely to be the one.
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Posted by: LMNOP on May 29, 2009 1:43 AM
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As the article says, there is nearly nothing that fits the description of a gateway drug: a drug that facilitates the use of a different drug (possible exception: drinking makes many people want to smoke). Drugs that lead to self-destructive behaviors in their acquisition and consumption may be addictive and lead to more use of the SAME drug. But that’s not passing through a gateway. People who pass through gateway after gateway on their way to potentially lethal drug abuse aren’t being guided by the drugs. They’re also escalating their criminal behavior – petty theft, then armed robbery, then bank robbery. Are these gateway crimes? Fucking idiots. It’s so embarrassing to have been born here.
Fucking liars. Fucking lying country.
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» Pot **IS NOT** a gateway drug...
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» you are an idiot
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Posted by: adempatriot on May 29, 2009 1:52 AM
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Upton Sinclair wrote in "The Cup of Fury" that he wouldn't keep a dog which bit one in ten visitors. This was his explanation for why he didn't keep liquor in the house.
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Posted by: davy on May 29, 2009 2:37 AM
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Posted by: adempatriot on May 29, 2009 3:19 AM
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There is a well-documented phenomonen called "cross-tolerance". Different drugs have similar effects on neurological functions. For example, alcohol is cross-tolerant with benzodiazepines or barbiturates, and cocaine is cross-tolerant with amphetamines.
Most drug users have a so-called drug of choice. If the supply of drug of choice is interrupted, very often the user will go to a drug of second choice which will produce a similar effect.
I don't think pot is a gateway drug in that way. I'm for decriminalization for adults. I don't think pot should be available to minors, though, mainly because it affects short-term memory and the immune system, and ANY kind of smoke is unhealthy to breathe. Also, pot CAN adversely affect motivation, but not always; in some cases it can actually increase motivation. The catch is that if pot were legal for adults, it would also become more available to kids.
That being said, I think that kids would be harmed far less by smoking a joint than by being forced to take speed in the guise of Adderall XR, or using Valium, Xanax, or Klonopin from their parents' medicine cabinet.
If pot is at all a gateway drug, I think that is primarily because it is illegal. People who sell the so-called hard drugs also often sell pot. Not always, but often enough. I think this is mainly because pot is illegal, and classed as a Schedule 1 narcotic on the same list as heroin. Oxycontin and Xanax, which are much more dangerous drugs than marijuana, are classed as Schedule II and Schedule IV, respectively. Go figure. ( http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/scheduling.html )
If pot were decriminalized or legal, use of the hard drugs- both the illegal hard drugs such as the opiates, coke, and meth, and the legal hard drugs such as alcohol, tobacco, bendodiazapine tranquilizers, and amphetamines used to treat that elusive "disease" called ADD or ADHD- would go down.
The tobacco, liquor, and Big Pharma interests would lose business if pot became legal or decriminalized. The federal and state governments, and the various local, state, and federal police departments, would lose revenue if pot were legalized or decriminalized. Always follow the money.
3.2 beer is as much a gateway drug as marijuana. For that matter, even sugar can be a gateway drug.
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Posted by: palolololo on May 29, 2009 3:59 AM
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Never had any desire to try heroin or meth or coke or any of the other heavier drugs. It's just a bullshit diversion.
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Posted by: joeocho88 on May 29, 2009 3:59 AM
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THINK OF HOW FAST THAT TAX REVENUE WOULD PUT OUR ECONOMY IN THE BLACK!
SELL AND TAX AND LEGALIZE!
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Posted by: colinmeister on May 29, 2009 4:13 AM
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Buying Pot does bring one into contact with drug dealers, some of who also sell other drugs, so legalisation of weed is the best way to go, users could then just buy it from a gas station, drugstore, liquor store etc. like cigarettes.
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Posted by: geometeer on May 29, 2009 5:05 AM
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Maybe pot can reduce the pain of Windows, as well as the pain of chemotherapy.
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Posted by: peppylapew on May 29, 2009 5:50 AM
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Posted by: popeurbanxxiii on May 29, 2009 6:35 AM
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Is anybody advocating that we criminalize Ritalin because it may be a "gateway drug"? (Leaving aside the point that we should be doping up our children.)
Agnitionis!
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Posted by: picket on May 29, 2009 7:02 AM
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The Prohibitionists have had a harder time trying to speak about the use of legal drugs that may lead to use of other more dangerous legal drugs. Big Pharma is a BIG Sugar Daddy for US Law Enforcement and others. It's not that "they" really care about OUR CHILDREN. It is all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$ and CONTROLLING POWER over other humans.
One example only is chronic pain. Millions who suffer every second of the day and are denied relief. Big Pharma starts them off with a little relief usually non addictive but useless for the pain, then escalation to harder legal narcotics,which is usually useless for REAL pain. then the real human control kicks into action...the weak led to the slaughter, and our so-called leaders laugh all the way to the bank.
Let us talk about some LEGAL gateway drugs, for a change!!!! Cannabis the illegal God-given herbal plant should be made legal and free. Our "handlers" will not let that happen, unless we make them.
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Posted by: Izzy Stoner on May 29, 2009 7:50 AM
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...to becoming president. Every occupant of the Oval Office since 1993 has inhaled. Would a good stiff prison sentence have been good for their lives and their careers? If not, then why is it so good for everyone else? What's the message they're sending to children? Don't get caught?
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Posted by: neilemac on May 29, 2009 8:20 AM
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Posted by: rickiey on May 29, 2009 8:24 AM
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Enjoying the hell out of pot led to me trying LSD, Heroin, and Cocaine. I really, really liked LSD, but Heroin and Cocaine scared me because I liked them TOO MUCH, so I didn't repeat with em.
I gave up pot and LSD, when we decided to have kids, only because of the illegality of it. I felt it wasn't my right to risk my kids futures (with the risk of incarceration).
If pot becomes legal, I will go from a non-user to a frequent user. Same with LSD.
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» You made your own choices, pot did not make them for you.
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Posted by: Crazy H on May 29, 2009 10:05 AM
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A condition which does not exist, and would seem to be at odds with the article itself.
Gotta love it.
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Posted by: DdC on May 29, 2009 11:36 AM
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Gateway? Prohibition is the only Gateway Stepping Stone.
Ganja has been used 5 thousand years.
Cocaine and Heroin were invented in the mid 1800's.
Can't Gateway to what hasn't been invented...
Prohibition leads to stolen auto parts too.
No lame opinions, No racist lies can be reformed, just eliminated.
Ganja is or it is not, Physics not Politics!
Pot Potency? Boomers' blissfully unfazed by mere facts.
"Higher Potency? Bunk. Always been high potency.
Vietnam was better pot than Cali kynd bud.
Government pot and hash oil Panama Acapolko Gold?
More BS to scare the yuppies.
We must hold the liars accountable,
and overturn past hobgoblins made Law.
Our reputation and integrity are on the line."
THE DEMONIZATION OF MARIHUANA
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your efforts
when you have forgotten your aim."
~ George Santayana, "The Life of Reason"
The Racist Ganjawar
"...the primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races."
~ Harry J. Anslinger - America's 1st Drug Czar (FDR - JFK)
Kill the Messenger
"There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz, and swing, result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and any others."
~ Harry J. Anslinger
Teens More Likely To Try Ganja After DEAthreats
"Insanity is doing the same old thing
over and over again
and expecting a different result."
~ Bill Clinton,
campaign debate, October 11, 1992
Cannabis Exposure Not Toxic To The Developing Brain
"Reefer makes darkies think they're as good as white men."
~ Harry J. Anslinger
Drugwar Lies Linked to Schizophrenia
"Marihuana leads to pacifism and communist brainwashing"
~ Harry J. Anslinger
The Ganjawar Fraud...
"Marijuana is an addictive drug which produces in its users insanity, criminality, and death."
~ Harry J. Anslinger
Virtues' of Ganja
"This vice brings in 100 million francs each year.
I will certainly forbid it at once - as soon as you can name
a virtue that brings in as much revenue."
-- Napoleon Bonaparte
Vices Are Not Crimes
"Marijuana is the most violence-causing drug in the history of mankind."
~ Harry J. Anslinger
Drug War Distortions
"The passing of an unjust law is the suicide of authority."
~ Pastoral Letter of the American Roman Catholic Hierarchy, February 1920
Mérdénol is Synthetic Sabotage
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Posted by: willymack on May 29, 2009 11:43 AM
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Resistance to the legalization of psychoactive drugs, unlike the days of the Wommen's Christian Temperance Union comes from another quarter altogether. All the voices raised against pot and other drugs have but one source, and in my opinion, it's the BANKS which launder the drug money. There's no longer any doubt that banks are crooked. Just look at what's been happening the last year or so, for instance. Another thing to ponder over is Afghanistan, where bumper crops of opium poppies have been produced. Is our army there to pursue the will o' the wisp Osama bin Laden, or protect the opium crop? Don't forget, there's real money in illegal drugs, and a major incentive for those profiting so handsomely from it to keep it going.
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Posted by: Moz Volta on May 29, 2009 1:05 PM
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Having said that, I'm still for legalization. Starting with marijuana.
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Posted by: truthteller on May 29, 2009 3:03 PM
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I think we just need to acknowledge that a certain percentage of the population is going to be addicted to whatever mind-altering substance they can get their hands on. We then need to deal with them in a non-punitive way that does the least overall harm to them and society at-large, and that means something other than a criminal justice process.
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Posted by: sirios on May 29, 2009 7:00 PM
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Posted by: cdmsr on May 29, 2009 7:15 PM
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People spread unevenly across the spectrum and tend to cluster in the middle. Drug use provides an adjustable range of neural stimulation or inhibition.
Deliberate ingestion of mind-altering substances is observed throughout the animal kingdom: it is arguably a natural and evolutionarily beneficial activity.
As to the gateway aspect of encountering more powerful or more dangerous drugs as a result of pot shopping, most of the sellers of reefer I have known didn't offer a smorgasbord of substances. Most -- not all, but most -- sold only weed and they were in an informal "network" of people who smoked it, sought it, found it and procured it for themselves and their friends.
The more powerful substances were easily found, but seperately from pot.
At least as strong in the gateway rationale (I believe) is the "known liar" aspect: When somone has obviously, glaringly lied to you, you tend to mistrust and dimiss anything else they tell you. When "authorities" claim that marijuana is dangerous, addictive and destructive, that it drives yoy crazy, robs you of your will and makes you waste your life, shrinks your weiner and gives you boobs and causes ball cancer -- a crapwagon full of lies -- you tend to ignore their warnings about cocaine, heroin, LSD, et al. And sadly, as risky as those substances can be, the "authorities" still lie and inject racism and myth into discussions of their use.
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Posted by: chabnormal on May 29, 2009 7:55 PM
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Posted by: AlteredStates on May 29, 2009 10:28 PM
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The news media is a smörgåsbord of bullshit. Pick a subject, and the news media will distort it, guaranteed.
Show business, in all its' forms, is a cornucopia of distorted reality where "a star is born" and dies "overnight" (depending on the box office receipts for the week).
Vanity rules America. The more vain and preposterous, the more it sells.
Is it any wonder that the "answer" to all our problems is in a pill... from a pharmacy? If you were to really listen to a TV advertisement for most any prescription drug being "pushed" by the pharmaceutical industry, you would hear a litany of side effects that could possibly give you a stroke, heart attack, cancer, and, or, cause your death, but your cholesterol would go down, by 10%. Whoopee!!
But, Pot seems to be our favorite whipping boy with all of the wild claims that have been associated with its' use. It's been blamed for everything from dandruff to falling arches and everything in between (pun intended).
So, is it any wonder, (because of our strange fascination with vanity), that we are the sickest nation on the planet? We spend more, per capita, on "health care" than any other country in the world.
Oh, I almost forgot about food, or something like it. We eat more artery clogging, dyspepsia causing, obesity related, super-refined, hyper-concentrated food, than again, an other country in the world. It's hard to tell where illusion and hysteria collide. Pot is just one starting point, but it's an ever-loving, recurring one, that never seems to die.
Please, someone, send this nightmare about Pot into that eternal, delicious, good night.
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Posted by: Jaffe on May 30, 2009 10:01 AM
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Email leads to MySpace then Facebook, Twitter, & the ever-cooler social networking highs.
Cellphones lead to texting to naughty photo transmission to buying newer hardware to eating your cell and starting all over.
Video war games lead to real time war & torture, or the other way around. Real or virtual, the idea is to get stoned out of your gourd on triple-X-game violence.
Whatever technology you're addicted to, pay with your credit card while averting your eyes from "real time" innocent highs like ingesting cannabis.
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Posted by: Jaffe on May 30, 2009 10:04 AM
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Email leads to MySpace then Facebook, Twitter & the ever-cooler social networking highs.
Cellphones lead to texting to naughty photo transmission to buying newer hardware to eating your cell and starting all over.
Video war games lead to real time war & torture, or the other way around. Real or virtual, the idea is to get stoned out of your gourd on triple-X-game violence.
Whatever technology you're addicted to, pay with your credit card while averting your eyes from "real time" innocent highs like ingesting cannabis.
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Posted by: BobbieT on May 30, 2009 11:26 PM
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Cannabis would cut into the demand for antidepressants, anti-anxiety medications, pain medication.
And if opiods were legal as well? Who would go to the MD with their complaints of pain and recieve suspicious, grudging pain relief when you could go to the liquor store and get heroin.
It would unravel our entire for profit sick care industry.
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Posted by: Jaffe on May 31, 2009 10:38 AM
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Rather than go on about cannabis being a gateway, chemists should address agents such as opium, heroin, MDMA--lessen their side effects while preserving the euphoria.
It will never happen, obviously.
Louis Armstrong was said to have smoked cannabis every day of his adult life--then he'd pick up his horn and make people happy.
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Posted by: jgabby804 on May 31, 2009 10:43 AM
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Posted by: kettleblack on Jun 1, 2009 9:48 AM
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Remember when cannabis was widely used in all sots of tinctures and medicines? And cocaine was in the original CocaCola, and lithium was in the original SevenUp. (The Emperor Wears No Clothes" by Jack Herer)
But, since we DEPEND on caffeine to drive our economy, we are in denial of calling caffeine a drug. And, surely we cannot be addicted to something that is not classified as a drug, like caffeine.
Remember when our parents told us children that we could not drink coffee or smoke cigarettes until we were 18?
Now, we pump our kids full of caffeine and sugar and wonder why they display signs of ADD.
How many pot smokers drank colas before they lit a joint?
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Posted by: tokerdesigner on Jun 1, 2009 1:36 PM
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For fear their car will be confiscated, etc., many cannabis users surrender to the tyranny of compulsory overdose and roll an easy-to-hide, easy-to-discard hot-burning "joint" full of carbon monoxide to produce extreme drug-like effects which, once an individual is used to accepting them, can indeed lead to a lack of defensiveness against the persuasion to try real DRUGS, which is then conveniently blamed on the cannabis.
To find the real no. 1 enemy of cannabis legalization just "call for Philip Morris"...
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Posted by: Landbaron on Jun 6, 2009 11:35 AM
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Posted by: hjr2 on Jun 6, 2009 11:56 AM
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peace
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Posted by: doneman2000 on Jun 6, 2009 12:05 PM
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The war on drugs is the biggest fraud to ever be perpetrated on the American citizens by its government.
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Posted by: Mickeyp2434 on Jun 6, 2009 1:06 PM
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In many tears of working with users of 'hard' drugs such as heroin, I have met a number whose use of illegal drugs began with the the harder drugs rather than cannabis.
However, I have only ever met one heroin user who did not smoke cigarettes. I have doubts about whether a 'gateway' exists but if it does, then tobacco is likely to be the one.
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