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Kids Do the Darndest Things: Joe Biden's Cocaine Dilemma
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I received a text message at 11 p.m. on Saturday while I was walking to a party in Brooklyn. The message was about a "breaking story": Ashley Biden, daughter of Vice President Joe Biden, has allegedly been caught on video using cocaine. My friends know that I work at the Drug Policy Alliance, so I often get e-mails or calls when celebrities or elected officials have some drug-use drama.
My first thought was shit, again? It was less than two months ago that Michael Phelps face was plastered all over the media for the Bong Hit Seen Around the World. While walking down the street, with my own vodka buzz on, a range of other thoughts started racing through my head.
Part of me is thinking of the irony. As senator in the late 1980s, Biden was a cheerleader for the drug war. He played a major role in creating the drug czar's office and in enacting the draconian mandatory minimum sentences that have filled our prisons with nonviolent drug law offenders.
It's practically a page right out of the Traffic screenplay. If the video proves to be legitimate, Ashley Biden could join Noelle Bush, Rush Limbaugh, Patrick Kennedy, Ted Haggard and the many other examples that prove drug use and abuse can touch every family.
The next feeling is uneasiness. When stories like this hit families, especially political ones, it can break in two ways.
On one hand, I can envision Vice President Biden, realizing that drug use is so widespread that it even touches his daughter, would become more sympathetic to other people who use drugs. There are hundreds of thousands people behind bars serving long prison sentences on drug charges. The realization that other people's kids are living in a cage for doing the same thing that his daughter did could be a transformative experience.
In recent years, Biden has championed a number of progressive drug-policy reforms -- like introducing legislation to completely eliminate the 100-to-1 crack/powder cocaine sentencing disparity and rolling back the mandatory minimums he favored in the late 1980s. Perhaps his daughter's experience will strengthen his resolve.
On the other hand, these experiences can cause people to move into another direction. When Jimmy Carter was president, his administration seriously considered marijuana decriminalization. There is even footage of Carter and others in his administration saying that the laws against marijuana are more harmful than the drug.
But before the law was changed, someone in his drug-policy staff was outed for doing cocaine at a D.C. party -- and the issue of decriminalizing marijuana never came up again.
I don't know the details of Ashley Biden and her alleged cocaine use. If she does have a drug problem, then it's likely that she'll gain access to the best treatment options available. It would be terrific if this led Joe Biden to advocate for treatment on demand for all those who need it in this country.
That said, there are millions of people who have tried cocaine, or use it occasionally, who don't develop a problem. If this is true in Ashley Biden's case, she would strike another blow to the myth that if you try cocaine you will become an addict and before you know it end up unemployed and homeless.
It also raises the question about whether we should be arresting and incarcerating -- or even forcing people like her into treatment through drug courts -- when she may not even have a drug problem.
Too many people, including Joe Biden, automatically want the alternative to incarceration to be coerced treatment under the supervision of the criminal justice system. Maybe we should just leave alone people whose drug use isn't harming anyone else.
If Ashley Biden truly doesn't have a drug problem and her biggest mistake was to allow herself to be filmed by a so-called friend trying to make money off her trust, I hope she doesn't misdiagnosis the problem and solution.
I hope that her and her father's crisis management strategy will not lead to tearful apologies where she claims to have a drug problem and promises to go to treatment to go get help.
Given Joe Biden's high-profile views on the drug war, they also shouldn't claim that this is a personal issue and that they want their privacy.
I would hope instead that Ashley Biden's response and action is to join the millions of people who are challenging the ignorance and irrationality of locking up hundreds of thousands of our fellow citizens because of a nonviolent drug offense.
If Ashley and Joe Biden can use this embarrassing experience to become involved in changing our inhumane polices, then the Biden family, and our country, will be better for it.
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Posted by: GuitarBill on Mar 30, 2009 12:45 PM
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NY Post? The NY Post is owned by Rupert Murdoch's (Fox News anyone?) News Corp.
Sorry, but I don't believe a word of it.
Consider the source. And consider the motives (Money, and lots of it) of the "friend" who took the video.
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» RE: This "story" broke in the New York Post (grain of salt anyone?)
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» That doesn't surprise me, EM.
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» Arrested for pot
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» That article doesn't mention the word "rape" once.
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» RE: It doesn't matter that Ashley did it or not. Just end the god damned motherfucking drugwar alrea
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» Joe Biden is both a gun grabber and a drug czar in one !
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» 9/11?
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» Right on! I'll second that motion.
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Posted by: sausage on Mar 30, 2009 1:07 PM
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And, as far as I know, Ashly Biden ain't been popped yet and she probably won't be!
And anyway, who can afford cocaine these days? That must be the reason the young gentleman who taped Ashley snorting a line or two is shopping the video around for the highest bidder!
What this incident really shows is: Rich kids play, poor kids go to jail!
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» Gentleman? ;-)
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Posted by: VZEQICVA on Mar 30, 2009 1:26 PM
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Posted by: dayahka on Mar 30, 2009 4:11 PM
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It is the cost, the money, that's going to make any changes. Same thing for medical care. Same thing for unaffordable junk heaps called homes. Same thing for insolvent banks, worthless pensions, casino Wall Street, and on and on. When there's no money left for anything much, the vast prison population will decline. Expecting people to be "reasonable" and to change draconian laws out of some rational impulse is a waste of time and energy.
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Mar 30, 2009 4:28 PM
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For Biden to speak about the 'horrors of drugs' is about as genuine as the Pope expounding the joys of homosexuality. These people create laws to hide behind what they or their kids do. They always did.
It breaks down like this " We're going to tell you how to live,where to live,what to eat, where to shop,where to work, what kind of insurance you'll be underinsured with and how much we're not going to take care of you in your old age. If you don't like it...TOUGH SHIT! We're the ones you elected and you'll eat our shit and like it'.
All you fools that voted for this farce we call'the American Democratic System' are fools being lead by even bigger fools who's only motto is 'Steal from the people to prop up the few and make laws that make them criminals if they bitch too loud'.
Hey Joe, you got a kid overseas fighting for our 'freedom'. Imagine how shocked he's going to be when you pass laws that make him pay for his post-war medical care and he finds out he risked his life for a country that pisses all over Freedom,Liberty and the Constitution.
If he's like you,he'll probably go along with it. If he's got any balls he'll strap back on that bodyamour and stand against you.
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Mar 30, 2009 4:47 PM
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Posted by: RevinFreddy on Mar 30, 2009 5:49 PM
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Years later, I had a girlfriend who had a psychotic relationship with her "ex-fiance" with whom she had a baby boy. Because she decided mariage was a really bad idea after several violent eposodes between them, the ex decided to trick her into incriminating herself by doing a line of meth with him. Beingh stupid and naive, she took the offer and whiffed up the line, unknown to her, while being filmed on the Ex's hidden camcorder. He threatened her with it constantly and if she didn't do whatever he said, he was going to take it to the police... and to the school... and so on...
I tried to explain to her that the idea that a video recording of someone sucking a white line of powder into their nose, while may seem incriminating, provides no evidence as to what the substance was. I mean come on!!! For all anyone knows, it was flower or sugar!!! Regardless what you may have thought it was before you ingested it.
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Posted by: DrBrian on Mar 30, 2009 7:49 PM
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A treatment-based, demand-side strategy makes far more sense than a law enforcement based, supply side plan.
Drug use is a medical and psychological problem and is best handled by experts from those fields rather than by law enforcement and corrections.
The economic crisis presents a good opportunity to explore more cost-effective solutions.
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Posted by: greenferret on Mar 31, 2009 1:29 AM
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Tell President Obama and your elected representatives that marijuana should be legalized and taxed at GreenChange.org.
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Posted by: Truelass on Mar 31, 2009 1:48 AM
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Posted by: Suzon on Mar 31, 2009 4:05 AM
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Alexander's Rat Park experiments provided compelling evidence that opiates are not addictive substances (and if they're not, other drugs including alcohol probably aren't either). Alexander watched the films (c 1980) showing rats scrambling over an electrified grid to get a hit. He looked at the miserable conditions that lab rats were living in and concluded that he'd do like the rats and endure some pain to get even a moment of relief.
He and his colleagues built a spacious environment where rats could socialize, mate, feed their young and play. They could choose to drink plain water or water laced with opiates. Until the laced water was sweetened, the rats always preferred the plain water. And even though rats love sweets, the sweetened laced water was largely ignored.
When life is good, you don't want to take the edge off.
Build a nurturing society and get rid of all this condemning, prosecuting and punishing.
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» Sorry Suzon, you're wrong
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» no, hotar, Alexander is right about opiates--your experience is an exception to the general rule
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» Lauren, please point out the heartless part and I'll apologize...
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» Don't sweat it suz
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» RE: no, hotar, Alexander is right about opiates--your experience is an exception to the general rule
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» So, Maybe we replace WOD's with treatment for addiction?
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» Well-treated lab animals don't want drugs
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Mar 31, 2009 4:30 AM
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She blames america for the Drug wars in Mexico.Well then we should also be blamed for the huge stashes of cash from herione production in Afghanistan for the attacks of 9/11 too ah?
worse yet she claims it's the influx of weapons from the US- Ah who should be legislating laws on Gun producers to assure their products don't end up in the hands of drug cartels or Terrorists or sociopaths who shoot up churches and nursing homes???
Hillary love to obsure the underlying issues by blaming average americans for the worlds problems. She hasn't even got the 'Testicular fortitude' to call out China on it's horrendous Human Rights violations- perhaps she sees the Buddhist monks as the instigators of their own massacre.
Follow the Fucking money Hillary- the Corps who manufacture the weapons and then 'lose' control of where their weapons end up, The Corps who make huge profits by Trafficking Human labor across the border. These aren't just US Corps cheap labor market, they are also used(forced) as mules for the Drug czars.
And what about those corps who moved our Jobs down to Mexico- only to bug out again when SE asia became the newest Cheap labor market. They pulled the rug out from under them as they have US- and what causes drug abuse- hopelessness and helplessness. The only 'job' left is working for the cartels- That includes the police who no longer have a tax base to support their meager salaries.So don't blame the Pot smoking College Student or even the junkie on the street when it has been You, so called Public servants, who have Aided the corps in creating this socio-economic cesspool of desperation and despair.You have allowed these Corps to hopscotch around the world sucking the life out of one group of people to the next- so their Stock prices go up and their pockets get lined- with Blood money.
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» RE: Is Hillary Willing to Point a finger at Bidens daughter for the Mexican Drug wars too
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» You say "follow the money", and she did, to the USA!
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» US CIA started Afghan opium DRUG THUGGERY
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Posted by: 2thepoint on Mar 31, 2009 5:44 AM
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Bidens daughter, Gores son etc.. what a parent to do. We are all excpeted to feel for the parents and hope a message can come from this for others.
Seems that wasn't the sentiments of the left regarding Palins daughter - who decided to HAVE her baby instead of terminating it! Now THAT is a wonderful message!
legalizing Drugs or saving a life.. which do you take!
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» The "Lefts" message was about PREVENTION, not abortion.
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Posted by: IslandSkye on Mar 31, 2009 5:52 AM
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2.If she were to be prosecuted for this "transgression", I am sure JB would reconsider the wisdom of his former enthusiasm for harsh (and stupid) anti-drug laws. Such is life. We get to live more, experience more, so that we can recognize the error of our former certainties!
3.Consider the source--New York Post/Murdoch.
4.I read elsewhere that the slime (ex boyfriend of Ms. Biden) withdrew his claims about the video. Anyone know about that?
PS. Hilary is NOT an idiot for saying that the United States' appetite for drugs is fueling the "war" in Mexico. Of course it is. If there were no illegal drugs (or ideally no drug use) in the US, what would there be for the cartels to fight about? AND, if all the weapons are not being bought in the US, who is supplying them? Hmmm.
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Posted by: aahpat on Mar 31, 2009 6:11 AM
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There is a FAX number for the VP's office and I highly recommend that you use it. Fax numbers go directly into offices unlike emails that get lost in the blizzard of email traffic or hard copy snail mail that sits in the post office for months waiting to be tested for anthrax.
Contact page for Vice President Joe Biden
http://www.whitehouse.gov/ContactUs/
Vice President Joe Biden
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20500
Comments: 202-456-1111
Switchboard: 202-456-1414
FAX: 202-456-2461
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Posted by: picket on Mar 31, 2009 7:17 AM
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People rightly get upset over UNEQUAL justice under the Law in the USA. It is a fact of life and part of reality. For example, "in New York State there are more than 5,000 people doing hard time for simple drug possession". " A half-gram of cocaine can earn a Class D felony charge". [ 1,098 people were imprisoned for that offense 2/09]
StoptheDrugwar.org Drug War Chronicle, issue #575,3/09
I assume that the female in the picture was in possession of more than one half gram. Joe Biden is a Drug Warrior, a devout prohibitionist. I think he would treat HIS own daughter humanely BUT not OUR children.
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Posted by: Semi-Anon on Mar 31, 2009 7:44 AM
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unfortunately, all too often in America the laws only apply to the average person, not the rich and powerful.
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Posted by: fbear0143 on Mar 31, 2009 7:46 AM
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» RE: Joe Biden is a leader of the Drug War
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Posted by: aahpat on Mar 31, 2009 7:51 AM
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This story has been out there since Saturday.
True or not the media should be asking the White Hose for comment.
True or not the White House should be unilaterally repudiating the tape and trying to defuse the story.
If the White House does not repudiate a story it is usually because the story is true and the White House can't repudiate it.
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» Bull$h!t!
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» Bullsh*t? Why, that would be the contents of your head.
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» Straw men and red herrings.
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» Silly me. I Expect Leadership
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» You don't want a "leader"; you want a dictator.
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» "political bravery"?
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» You Support Obama's Political Cowardice I Oppose it
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Posted by: BlueTigress on Mar 31, 2009 7:53 AM
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It's always different when it's THEIR child.
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» Does he know better?
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Posted by: sopomike on Mar 31, 2009 8:12 AM
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Posted by: DignityForAll on Mar 31, 2009 8:18 AM
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Posted by: reelectnoone on Mar 31, 2009 8:19 AM
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We pay again when, because they are illegal, we get mugged and robbed by someone for money to pay a dealer who will then ship much of the cash to Mexico or Colombia or Peru etc.
Never does the IRS get to tax this money as it drifts away from our shores to build another hacienda for a wealthy drug lord.
People still use the drugs. So sell them the drugs, let them pay taxes and save us the billions we spend trying to lock everyone up. Use a fraction of those saved billions for rehab centers like we already have for alcohol.
No...Congress is just to stupid to see the obvious and will let gangs and thugs go on killing us and each other rather than take the one step that can put an end to the madness.
Already they forgot prohibition.
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Posted by: mrxls on Mar 31, 2009 8:48 AM
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The drug war has been fought at such a terrible cost. I hope the political establishment can find its way to introducing some rationality to the law.
Maybe the drug violence in Mexico and the financial pressures both spending and potential revenue will provide sufficient pain for people to change their views.
Too bad society can't seem to anticipate, to learn "obvious" lessons in advance of massive damage.
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» Don't click on that link (IDENTITY THEFT!)
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Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN on Mar 31, 2009 9:48 AM
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"While walking down the street, with my own vodka buzz on, a range of other thoughts started racing through my head.
Part of me is thinking of the irony."
The very worst and costliest of ALL drugs is alcohol.
Newman, JUSTIFY your duplicity.
C'mon, let's hear it.
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Posted by: techcafe on Mar 31, 2009 10:30 AM
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Murdoch's media drones are constantly on a witch hunt to bring down the Obama administration. The bastards *want* Obama to fail - as they consistently prop-up the Republican Party and pander to their conservative base of right-wing dittoheads.
Rupert Murdoch doesn't give a flying-fuck about what's good for America... he only cares about $$$, just like the other machiavellian sociopaths in the Republican Party.
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» Until you have proof
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» What are you smokin', aahpat?
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» GuitarBill Needs Childish Thuggish Personal Attacks
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» Straw men and red herrings.
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...moody
...mean
...selfish
...nasty
...egotistical
...vicious
...paranoid
...cut-throat
...remorseless
...predatory
...everything you need to be to 'get ahead', 'take part in the American Dream', be a 'contributing team player' &...
get yourself a Trophy Spouse
whereas pot?
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Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com on Apr 1, 2009 4:20 PM
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The only difference is that ritalin is normally taken in pill form, absorbed through the stomach in a slower fashion and with less of a dose.
If you crush up a ritalin pill and snort it, which many young kids do today with ritalin being prescribed so much among young people, you will feel the same effects as if you snorted cocaine.
Why can one drug get you over a decade in prison and the other be legally prescribed if you can convince a doctor you have ADD or ADHD?
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NY Post? The NY Post is owned by Rupert Murdoch's (Fox News anyone?) News Corp.
Sorry, but I don't believe a word of it.
Consider the source. And consider the motives (Money, and lots of it) of the "friend" who took the video.
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» That article doesn't mention the word "rape" once.
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Posted by: sausage on Mar 30, 2009 1:07 PM
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And, as far as I know, Ashly Biden ain't been popped yet and she probably won't be!
And anyway, who can afford cocaine these days? That must be the reason the young gentleman who taped Ashley snorting a line or two is shopping the video around for the highest bidder!
What this incident really shows is: Rich kids play, poor kids go to jail!
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Posted by: dayahka on Mar 30, 2009 4:11 PM
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It is the cost, the money, that's going to make any changes. Same thing for medical care. Same thing for unaffordable junk heaps called homes. Same thing for insolvent banks, worthless pensions, casino Wall Street, and on and on. When there's no money left for anything much, the vast prison population will decline. Expecting people to be "reasonable" and to change draconian laws out of some rational impulse is a waste of time and energy.
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Posted by: jeffrey7 on Mar 30, 2009 4:28 PM
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For Biden to speak about the 'horrors of drugs' is about as genuine as the Pope expounding the joys of homosexuality. These people create laws to hide behind what they or their kids do. They always did.
It breaks down like this " We're going to tell you how to live,where to live,what to eat, where to shop,where to work, what kind of insurance you'll be underinsured with and how much we're not going to take care of you in your old age. If you don't like it...TOUGH SHIT! We're the ones you elected and you'll eat our shit and like it'.
All you fools that voted for this farce we call'the American Democratic System' are fools being lead by even bigger fools who's only motto is 'Steal from the people to prop up the few and make laws that make them criminals if they bitch too loud'.
Hey Joe, you got a kid overseas fighting for our 'freedom'. Imagine how shocked he's going to be when you pass laws that make him pay for his post-war medical care and he finds out he risked his life for a country that pisses all over Freedom,Liberty and the Constitution.
If he's like you,he'll probably go along with it. If he's got any balls he'll strap back on that bodyamour and stand against you.
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Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Mar 30, 2009 4:47 PM
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Posted by: RevinFreddy on Mar 30, 2009 5:49 PM
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Years later, I had a girlfriend who had a psychotic relationship with her "ex-fiance" with whom she had a baby boy. Because she decided mariage was a really bad idea after several violent eposodes between them, the ex decided to trick her into incriminating herself by doing a line of meth with him. Beingh stupid and naive, she took the offer and whiffed up the line, unknown to her, while being filmed on the Ex's hidden camcorder. He threatened her with it constantly and if she didn't do whatever he said, he was going to take it to the police... and to the school... and so on...
I tried to explain to her that the idea that a video recording of someone sucking a white line of powder into their nose, while may seem incriminating, provides no evidence as to what the substance was. I mean come on!!! For all anyone knows, it was flower or sugar!!! Regardless what you may have thought it was before you ingested it.
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Posted by: DrBrian on Mar 30, 2009 7:49 PM
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A treatment-based, demand-side strategy makes far more sense than a law enforcement based, supply side plan.
Drug use is a medical and psychological problem and is best handled by experts from those fields rather than by law enforcement and corrections.
The economic crisis presents a good opportunity to explore more cost-effective solutions.
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Posted by: greenferret on Mar 31, 2009 1:29 AM
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Tell President Obama and your elected representatives that marijuana should be legalized and taxed at GreenChange.org.
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Posted by: Suzon on Mar 31, 2009 4:05 AM
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Alexander's Rat Park experiments provided compelling evidence that opiates are not addictive substances (and if they're not, other drugs including alcohol probably aren't either). Alexander watched the films (c 1980) showing rats scrambling over an electrified grid to get a hit. He looked at the miserable conditions that lab rats were living in and concluded that he'd do like the rats and endure some pain to get even a moment of relief.
He and his colleagues built a spacious environment where rats could socialize, mate, feed their young and play. They could choose to drink plain water or water laced with opiates. Until the laced water was sweetened, the rats always preferred the plain water. And even though rats love sweets, the sweetened laced water was largely ignored.
When life is good, you don't want to take the edge off.
Build a nurturing society and get rid of all this condemning, prosecuting and punishing.
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Posted by: Purple Girl on Mar 31, 2009 4:30 AM
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She blames america for the Drug wars in Mexico.Well then we should also be blamed for the huge stashes of cash from herione production in Afghanistan for the attacks of 9/11 too ah?
worse yet she claims it's the influx of weapons from the US- Ah who should be legislating laws on Gun producers to assure their products don't end up in the hands of drug cartels or Terrorists or sociopaths who shoot up churches and nursing homes???
Hillary love to obsure the underlying issues by blaming average americans for the worlds problems. She hasn't even got the 'Testicular fortitude' to call out China on it's horrendous Human Rights violations- perhaps she sees the Buddhist monks as the instigators of their own massacre.
Follow the Fucking money Hillary- the Corps who manufacture the weapons and then 'lose' control of where their weapons end up, The Corps who make huge profits by Trafficking Human labor across the border. These aren't just US Corps cheap labor market, they are also used(forced) as mules for the Drug czars.
And what about those corps who moved our Jobs down to Mexico- only to bug out again when SE asia became the newest Cheap labor market. They pulled the rug out from under them as they have US- and what causes drug abuse- hopelessness and helplessness. The only 'job' left is working for the cartels- That includes the police who no longer have a tax base to support their meager salaries.So don't blame the Pot smoking College Student or even the junkie on the street when it has been You, so called Public servants, who have Aided the corps in creating this socio-economic cesspool of desperation and despair.You have allowed these Corps to hopscotch around the world sucking the life out of one group of people to the next- so their Stock prices go up and their pockets get lined- with Blood money.
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Posted by: 2thepoint on Mar 31, 2009 5:44 AM
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Bidens daughter, Gores son etc.. what a parent to do. We are all excpeted to feel for the parents and hope a message can come from this for others.
Seems that wasn't the sentiments of the left regarding Palins daughter - who decided to HAVE her baby instead of terminating it! Now THAT is a wonderful message!
legalizing Drugs or saving a life.. which do you take!
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Posted by: IslandSkye on Mar 31, 2009 5:52 AM
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2.If she were to be prosecuted for this "transgression", I am sure JB would reconsider the wisdom of his former enthusiasm for harsh (and stupid) anti-drug laws. Such is life. We get to live more, experience more, so that we can recognize the error of our former certainties!
3.Consider the source--New York Post/Murdoch.
4.I read elsewhere that the slime (ex boyfriend of Ms. Biden) withdrew his claims about the video. Anyone know about that?
PS. Hilary is NOT an idiot for saying that the United States' appetite for drugs is fueling the "war" in Mexico. Of course it is. If there were no illegal drugs (or ideally no drug use) in the US, what would there be for the cartels to fight about? AND, if all the weapons are not being bought in the US, who is supplying them? Hmmm.
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There is a FAX number for the VP's office and I highly recommend that you use it. Fax numbers go directly into offices unlike emails that get lost in the blizzard of email traffic or hard copy snail mail that sits in the post office for months waiting to be tested for anthrax.
Contact page for Vice President Joe Biden
http://www.whitehouse.gov/ContactUs/
Vice President Joe Biden
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20500
Comments: 202-456-1111
Switchboard: 202-456-1414
FAX: 202-456-2461
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Posted by: picket on Mar 31, 2009 7:17 AM
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People rightly get upset over UNEQUAL justice under the Law in the USA. It is a fact of life and part of reality. For example, "in New York State there are more than 5,000 people doing hard time for simple drug possession". " A half-gram of cocaine can earn a Class D felony charge". [ 1,098 people were imprisoned for that offense 2/09]
StoptheDrugwar.org Drug War Chronicle, issue #575,3/09
I assume that the female in the picture was in possession of more than one half gram. Joe Biden is a Drug Warrior, a devout prohibitionist. I think he would treat HIS own daughter humanely BUT not OUR children.
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Posted by: Semi-Anon on Mar 31, 2009 7:44 AM
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unfortunately, all too often in America the laws only apply to the average person, not the rich and powerful.
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Posted by: aahpat on Mar 31, 2009 7:51 AM
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This story has been out there since Saturday.
True or not the media should be asking the White Hose for comment.
True or not the White House should be unilaterally repudiating the tape and trying to defuse the story.
If the White House does not repudiate a story it is usually because the story is true and the White House can't repudiate it.
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» Bull$h!t!
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» Bullsh*t? Why, that would be the contents of your head.
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» Straw men and red herrings.
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» Silly me. I Expect Leadership
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» You don't want a "leader"; you want a dictator.
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» "political bravery"?
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Posted by: BlueTigress on Mar 31, 2009 7:53 AM
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It's always different when it's THEIR child.
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Posted by: reelectnoone on Mar 31, 2009 8:19 AM
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We pay again when, because they are illegal, we get mugged and robbed by someone for money to pay a dealer who will then ship much of the cash to Mexico or Colombia or Peru etc.
Never does the IRS get to tax this money as it drifts away from our shores to build another hacienda for a wealthy drug lord.
People still use the drugs. So sell them the drugs, let them pay taxes and save us the billions we spend trying to lock everyone up. Use a fraction of those saved billions for rehab centers like we already have for alcohol.
No...Congress is just to stupid to see the obvious and will let gangs and thugs go on killing us and each other rather than take the one step that can put an end to the madness.
Already they forgot prohibition.
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Posted by: mrxls on Mar 31, 2009 8:48 AM
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The drug war has been fought at such a terrible cost. I hope the political establishment can find its way to introducing some rationality to the law.
Maybe the drug violence in Mexico and the financial pressures both spending and potential revenue will provide sufficient pain for people to change their views.
Too bad society can't seem to anticipate, to learn "obvious" lessons in advance of massive damage.
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Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN on Mar 31, 2009 9:48 AM
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"While walking down the street, with my own vodka buzz on, a range of other thoughts started racing through my head.
Part of me is thinking of the irony."
The very worst and costliest of ALL drugs is alcohol.
Newman, JUSTIFY your duplicity.
C'mon, let's hear it.
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Posted by: techcafe on Mar 31, 2009 10:30 AM
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Murdoch's media drones are constantly on a witch hunt to bring down the Obama administration. The bastards *want* Obama to fail - as they consistently prop-up the Republican Party and pander to their conservative base of right-wing dittoheads.
Rupert Murdoch doesn't give a flying-fuck about what's good for America... he only cares about $$$, just like the other machiavellian sociopaths in the Republican Party.
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» Until you have proof
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» Straw men and red herrings.
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Posted by: symcokid on Mar 31, 2009 11:59 AM
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...moody
...mean
...selfish
...nasty
...egotistical
...vicious
...paranoid
...cut-throat
...remorseless
...predatory
...everything you need to be to 'get ahead', 'take part in the American Dream', be a 'contributing team player' &...
get yourself a Trophy Spouse
whereas pot?
makes you calm, relaxed, contemplative... & less grasping...
patient...
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Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com on Apr 1, 2009 4:20 PM
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The only difference is that ritalin is normally taken in pill form, absorbed through the stomach in a slower fashion and with less of a dose.
If you crush up a ritalin pill and snort it, which many young kids do today with ritalin being prescribed so much among young people, you will feel the same effects as if you snorted cocaine.
Why can one drug get you over a decade in prison and the other be legally prescribed if you can convince a doctor you have ADD or ADHD?
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Posted by: abusedbypenguins on Apr 1, 2009 5:15 PM
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