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Not to Worry -- Concerns About Pot Coffee Houses in Amsterdam Have Gone up in Smoke

Despite the bluster of some of its members, the governing coalition in Holland is not going to touch cannabis policy.
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For more than 30 years under the policy of "gedoogbeleid," which could best be translated as "pragmatic tolerance," the Dutch have allowed the sale of personal amounts of marijuana through the coffee house system, even though doing so is technically illegal. But lately, especially for those of us on this side of the water, a black cloud appears to be hovering over the coffee shops. The number of coffee shops has contracted from about 1,500 in 1995 to 720 now, as successive governments have tightened the screws. The current national government is hostile, if somewhat divided on the issue, and recent headlines about moves to close coffee shops in some border towns and reduce their numbers across the country add to the ominous picture.

But the picture is nowhere near as gloomy as presented by the occasional Reuters or Associated Press report covering such developments. Dutch cannabis policy is approaching a tipping point, the status quo is under pressure, but the end result is more likely to be the creation of a vertically-integrated legal cannabis production and sales industry than the end of the coffee houses and retreat back into prohibition.

Three parties in coalition form the national government: the Social Democrats (PvdA), the Christian Democrats (CDA), and Christian Unity (CU), a fundamentalist Christian Party. The two Christian parties oppose drug use in general and the coffee shop system in particular, and would like to see it go away. But the most powerful party in the coalition, the Social Democrats, is much less hostile, and even amenable to regulating cannabis production as well as retail sales.

While the Christian parties appear implacable in their opposition on moral grounds, the PvdA and the opposition parties are arguing more pragmatically over a pair of issues that have come to symbolize the "problems" of the coffee shops. One is the endless influx of cannabis buyers from neighboring countries with more repressive laws, who clog the city centers of border towns and sometimes deal with hard drug dealers and create public nuisances as well. The other major issue around the coffee shops is the "backdoor problem," wherein, while retail sales at the coffee shops are tolerated, the wholesale supply of cannabis to the coffee shops remains tethered to a criminal netherworld.

"It is true that some problems have arisen around the coffee shops," said Joost Sneller, assistant to opposition DP66 Party MP Boris van der Ham, "but a lot of that has to do with vagueness surrounding cultivation, and not with the coffee shops themselves. The backdoor problem is only a problem because we make it so," Sneller argued. "There is one simple solution, and that is legalization of backdoor purchase and the regulation of the entire soft drugs chain. The selling of cannabis should be licensed," he said.

"The coffee shops are a good way to deal with soft drugs and regulate their sales," agreed Velzen van Krista, an opposition Socialist Party MP. "The coffee shop system definitely ensures that people who buy soft drugs don't get mixed up with hard drug sellers."

While the coffee shops are a good interim measure, the best approach would be to simply regulate the whole trade, said van Krista. "Our people don't use soft drugs at a higher rate than surrounding countries, and since it is being used anyway and making it illegal doesn't help, we might as well just legalize it," she argued. "That would create legal jobs, taxable income, quality control, even jobs in security work, because there is a lot of dough in growing."

Marc Josemans, a coffee shop proprietor since 1983, is president of the Maastricht coffee shop association, representing all 14 coffee shops in the border city. The Maastricht association is one of eight regional associations, all of which are organized into the national coffees shop association, LOC, which represents about a third of all coffee shops in the Netherlands.


Phillip S. Smith is a staff writer for Drug War Chronicles.
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Who Wants Cannabis Prohibition Everywhere?
Posted by: doneman2000 on Dec 12, 2008 4:29 PM   
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The very same people who know not only what's best for themselves but the rest of society as well. You know who I'm referring too, the people who get their politics from their bible. That's why we tackle a public health problem with the criminal justice system. Back in the 20's after the passage of the Harrison Act our illustrious supreme court stated that drug addiction was a moral issue not a medical one and therefore was certainly appropriate to arrest doctors for prescribing narcotics to quell an addicts symptoms. The criminal justice system has never looked back seeing a $50-70 billion cash cow which must be protected regardless of the science stating addiction is a medical problem. Money always trumps good policy. Who yells the loudest when anyone even mentions a different policy than the current one which has made the prison business as one of the fastest growing industries still left in the U.S. My God the insanity of it all. The insanity of it all.

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Hasn't anyone over there heard of Rick Simpson Oil?
Posted by: hempjack on Dec 12, 2008 9:02 PM   
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Watch Rick Simpson's "Run from the Cure" to learn how to make super concentrated cannabis hemp oil that cures cancer and other diseases.

www.phoenixtears.ca
www.phoenixtearsmovie.com

Read "The Emperor Wears No Clothes" online free at www.jackherer.com. It's all about the history and many uses of Cannabis Hemp.

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A different view than the official line...
Posted by: ecj on Dec 13, 2008 2:48 PM   
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Van Krista also suggested moving border town coffee shops to non-tourist areas. "The people coming to the coffee shops aren't coming to look at our beautiful cities but to go to the coffee shops,"

I was with a group of West Coasters living in Germany. We took several long weekend road trips to the Netherlands, partly so we could relax in the West Coast way, but we also checked out all of the dozen or so cities we visited; staying, eating, and buying souvenirs. Their cities and their people are beautiful. I suspect that there are many others like us who take advantage of the entire Netherlands experience. I hope they keep some coffeeshops in the city centers. Dag.

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Why?
Posted by: pana on Dec 14, 2008 11:09 AM   
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I am sick and tired of the so-called Christians and other religious fanatics telling others what to do. These so-called better than thou folks should just mind their own business.

The the Dutch are usually rational people and I encourage them not to allow those others who move to their country to tell them what to do.

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Pot headlines sell newspapers
Posted by: ken_sailor on Dec 15, 2008 3:49 PM   
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Just one more thing pot contributes to society - every six months we get stories about how the Dutch want to close the coffee shops. Thank goodness they really don't. They are probably laughing all the way to the bank - with one of the lowest child use rates in Europe and with the tax dollars from the shops as well as the tourist dollars from every corner of the civilized world.

Once again, the Netherlands reap the benefits of doing the right thing and making money doing it. Hmmm, after 30 years of their success, don't you think we might wise up?

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The Dutch and cannabis
Posted by: Don Quixote on Dec 16, 2008 3:29 AM   
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As a Spaniard, 64, living The Netherlands since 2000 for family reasons, I have to feel a lot of respect fot this tiny country with the highest IQ in europe, almost no criminality if we exclude immigrants, third world agriculture exporter, seat of the International Courts, and first or among the first in the world in many things, from water engineering to trade, and from plant biology to solar cars. The Dutch are the World’s social pioneers, the prow of the social ship that is mankind.

The Dutch started liberalising abortion, gay rights, cannabis, prostitution, authanasia… and every time other European countries spent first 10 to 20 years critizicing them, and the following 10 to 20 years imitating them. The US was the ideal country for many Europeans in the fifites and sixties, before Vietnam switched the ideal to Scandinavia, and later to The Netherlands, and sorry to tell you, the US ususally follows the Dutch and Europe many years later in many things.

There are only two policies, either state regulation, (its obligation), or prohibition, a gift to the maffias, who probably buy polititicians everywhere so they let them continue their business. Cannabis is a threat to the $60 billion pharmaindustry who would sell less pills (drugs), so the DEA was created to keep their monopoly. There is no “war on drugs”, that is one more of the many US government lies and half truths with semantic manipulation, there is only a “war” on “drugs not sold by the pharma-tobacco-alcohol lobbies”.

We all know that tobacco kills 4 million and alcohol 2 million persons per year in the world, and the pharma-industry 50.000 per year in the US alone. Cannabis has never killed anyone, has been used throughout all history as industrial raw material and as medicine.

Nobody advocates free sale nor promotion, just decriminalization. Why don’t we put alcoholics in jail? They cause much more social damage than cannabis consumers. US corruption rains from megacorps through US politics to every country, but the Dutch have been the only ones to resist. They deserve all my respect. I hope the US and others will learn some day.

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Ninth Amendment.
Posted by: douglashoyt on Dec 16, 2008 4:58 AM   
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One would think that the delegated powers in the constitution is taken seriously by our courts and political system.

Indeed, has anyone read the ninth amendment?

Nowhere is drug prohibition named in the Constitution; but freedom of action and choice is implied with the ninth amendment.

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Just some small corrections:
Posted by: Benjaminsjw on Dec 16, 2008 5:52 AM   
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The political party is called D66 (not DP66), and the MP is called Krista van Velsen (and not the other way around).

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If...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Dec 16, 2008 6:43 AM   
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If the big problem is tourists who have to come there for legal pot and not locals who have constant access to legal pot, then it becomes painfully obvious that the problem isn't pot... its the prohibition of it elsewhere.

If every nation had this kind of access, then there would be no drug tourists. There would also be no international drug cartels funded by pot smuggling. There would also be no need to spend money keeping people in prison over pot.

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Pot Is Preferable
Posted by: jshubbub on Dec 16, 2008 7:00 AM   
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I have never understood cannabis prohibition. Hemp, first of all, is incredibly useful stuff, but the U.S. prohibits its domestic cultivation. Pot, on the other hand, is no more intoxicating than alcohol and no more harmful than cigarettes (and possibly less so since you don't smoke as much pot as you do tobacco). Yet, both alcohol and cigarettes are legal although heavily regulated. Besides, if you ask me, being high is a hell of a lot more fun than being drunk.

So why, I ask, is cannabis illegal here? It's such utter nonsense.

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The real reason Cannabis is illegal: OIL ! And this Christian is MORTIFIED !
Posted by: maxpayne on Dec 16, 2008 7:42 AM   
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Otherwise, INDUSTRIAL HEMP 4 FUEL would have been allowed to compete with petroleum and petroleum would have LOST in a truly free market. This Christian is ashamed of those who are against allowing cannabis to be legal for people to choose. Until America gets rid of the ban on cannabis from drug testing to growing for industrial use, GOD WILL CONTINUE TO SEVERELY PUNISH AMERICA TO ETERNAL DAMNATION WITH MORE POVERTY, RESTLESSNESS, AND INSECURITY !!!!

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The problem isn't with the Dutch
Posted by: tommy_slothrop on Dec 16, 2008 9:09 AM   
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The problem is that the rest of us haven't gotten our act together and demanded sane drug policies in our countries. As a result the Dutch get a disproportionate number of intoxicated tourists.

U.S. pressure prevents many countries from adopting saner drug laws. Within the last few years countries such as Brazil and Mexico have had to abandon efforts to decriminalize marijuana because the U.S. wouldn't allow it.

So ... yet another positive result we can look forward to as a result of the decline of the U.S. empire.

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"Goats love to play with it"
Posted by: 6ndi333 on Dec 16, 2008 9:35 AM   
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"Legalize it. Don't criticize it."

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Uh, pardon my ignorance
Posted by: willymack on Dec 16, 2008 12:10 PM   
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But don't we have damn near as many hapless twits rotting away in jail for drug offenses as the entire population of the Netherlands? Who is it with the drug problem?

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Christian moral objections to pot...
Posted by: NikoKun on Dec 16, 2008 4:25 PM   
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I have no respect at all for the Christians or otherwise who claim Marijuana is bad on Moral grounds... Because that belief is based on lies. That entire mindset is based on the lies from the 30s/40s.

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Legal Cannabis and other things referred to as drugs
Posted by: frankosandiego on Jan 4, 2009 6:45 PM   
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Frnak’s Laws:

Legal drugs = Controllable
Illegal drugs = Out-of-Control

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Who Wants Cannabis Prohibition Everywhere?
Posted by: doneman2000 on Dec 12, 2008 4:29 PM   
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The very same people who know not only what's best for themselves but the rest of society as well. You know who I'm referring too, the people who get their politics from their bible. That's why we tackle a public health problem with the criminal justice system. Back in the 20's after the passage of the Harrison Act our illustrious supreme court stated that drug addiction was a moral issue not a medical one and therefore was certainly appropriate to arrest doctors for prescribing narcotics to quell an addicts symptoms. The criminal justice system has never looked back seeing a $50-70 billion cash cow which must be protected regardless of the science stating addiction is a medical problem. Money always trumps good policy. Who yells the loudest when anyone even mentions a different policy than the current one which has made the prison business as one of the fastest growing industries still left in the U.S. My God the insanity of it all. The insanity of it all.

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Hasn't anyone over there heard of Rick Simpson Oil?
Posted by: hempjack on Dec 12, 2008 9:02 PM   
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Watch Rick Simpson's "Run from the Cure" to learn how to make super concentrated cannabis hemp oil that cures cancer and other diseases.

www.phoenixtears.ca
www.phoenixtearsmovie.com

Read "The Emperor Wears No Clothes" online free at www.jackherer.com. It's all about the history and many uses of Cannabis Hemp.

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A different view than the official line...
Posted by: ecj on Dec 13, 2008 2:48 PM   
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Van Krista also suggested moving border town coffee shops to non-tourist areas. "The people coming to the coffee shops aren't coming to look at our beautiful cities but to go to the coffee shops,"

I was with a group of West Coasters living in Germany. We took several long weekend road trips to the Netherlands, partly so we could relax in the West Coast way, but we also checked out all of the dozen or so cities we visited; staying, eating, and buying souvenirs. Their cities and their people are beautiful. I suspect that there are many others like us who take advantage of the entire Netherlands experience. I hope they keep some coffeeshops in the city centers. Dag.

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Why?
Posted by: pana on Dec 14, 2008 11:09 AM   
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I am sick and tired of the so-called Christians and other religious fanatics telling others what to do. These so-called better than thou folks should just mind their own business.

The the Dutch are usually rational people and I encourage them not to allow those others who move to their country to tell them what to do.

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Pot headlines sell newspapers
Posted by: ken_sailor on Dec 15, 2008 3:49 PM   
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Just one more thing pot contributes to society - every six months we get stories about how the Dutch want to close the coffee shops. Thank goodness they really don't. They are probably laughing all the way to the bank - with one of the lowest child use rates in Europe and with the tax dollars from the shops as well as the tourist dollars from every corner of the civilized world.

Once again, the Netherlands reap the benefits of doing the right thing and making money doing it. Hmmm, after 30 years of their success, don't you think we might wise up?

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The Dutch and cannabis
Posted by: Don Quixote on Dec 16, 2008 3:29 AM   
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As a Spaniard, 64, living The Netherlands since 2000 for family reasons, I have to feel a lot of respect fot this tiny country with the highest IQ in europe, almost no criminality if we exclude immigrants, third world agriculture exporter, seat of the International Courts, and first or among the first in the world in many things, from water engineering to trade, and from plant biology to solar cars. The Dutch are the World’s social pioneers, the prow of the social ship that is mankind.

The Dutch started liberalising abortion, gay rights, cannabis, prostitution, authanasia… and every time other European countries spent first 10 to 20 years critizicing them, and the following 10 to 20 years imitating them. The US was the ideal country for many Europeans in the fifites and sixties, before Vietnam switched the ideal to Scandinavia, and later to The Netherlands, and sorry to tell you, the US ususally follows the Dutch and Europe many years later in many things.

There are only two policies, either state regulation, (its obligation), or prohibition, a gift to the maffias, who probably buy polititicians everywhere so they let them continue their business. Cannabis is a threat to the $60 billion pharmaindustry who would sell less pills (drugs), so the DEA was created to keep their monopoly. There is no “war on drugs”, that is one more of the many US government lies and half truths with semantic manipulation, there is only a “war” on “drugs not sold by the pharma-tobacco-alcohol lobbies”.

We all know that tobacco kills 4 million and alcohol 2 million persons per year in the world, and the pharma-industry 50.000 per year in the US alone. Cannabis has never killed anyone, has been used throughout all history as industrial raw material and as medicine.

Nobody advocates free sale nor promotion, just decriminalization. Why don’t we put alcoholics in jail? They cause much more social damage than cannabis consumers. US corruption rains from megacorps through US politics to every country, but the Dutch have been the only ones to resist. They deserve all my respect. I hope the US and others will learn some day.

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Ninth Amendment.
Posted by: douglashoyt on Dec 16, 2008 4:58 AM   
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One would think that the delegated powers in the constitution is taken seriously by our courts and political system.

Indeed, has anyone read the ninth amendment?

Nowhere is drug prohibition named in the Constitution; but freedom of action and choice is implied with the ninth amendment.

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Just some small corrections:
Posted by: Benjaminsjw on Dec 16, 2008 5:52 AM   
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The political party is called D66 (not DP66), and the MP is called Krista van Velsen (and not the other way around).

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If...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Dec 16, 2008 6:43 AM   
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If the big problem is tourists who have to come there for legal pot and not locals who have constant access to legal pot, then it becomes painfully obvious that the problem isn't pot... its the prohibition of it elsewhere.

If every nation had this kind of access, then there would be no drug tourists. There would also be no international drug cartels funded by pot smuggling. There would also be no need to spend money keeping people in prison over pot.

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Pot Is Preferable
Posted by: jshubbub on Dec 16, 2008 7:00 AM   
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I have never understood cannabis prohibition. Hemp, first of all, is incredibly useful stuff, but the U.S. prohibits its domestic cultivation. Pot, on the other hand, is no more intoxicating than alcohol and no more harmful than cigarettes (and possibly less so since you don't smoke as much pot as you do tobacco). Yet, both alcohol and cigarettes are legal although heavily regulated. Besides, if you ask me, being high is a hell of a lot more fun than being drunk.

So why, I ask, is cannabis illegal here? It's such utter nonsense.

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The real reason Cannabis is illegal: OIL ! And this Christian is MORTIFIED !
Posted by: maxpayne on Dec 16, 2008 7:42 AM   
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Otherwise, INDUSTRIAL HEMP 4 FUEL would have been allowed to compete with petroleum and petroleum would have LOST in a truly free market. This Christian is ashamed of those who are against allowing cannabis to be legal for people to choose. Until America gets rid of the ban on cannabis from drug testing to growing for industrial use, GOD WILL CONTINUE TO SEVERELY PUNISH AMERICA TO ETERNAL DAMNATION WITH MORE POVERTY, RESTLESSNESS, AND INSECURITY !!!!

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The problem isn't with the Dutch
Posted by: tommy_slothrop on Dec 16, 2008 9:09 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The problem is that the rest of us haven't gotten our act together and demanded sane drug policies in our countries. As a result the Dutch get a disproportionate number of intoxicated tourists.

U.S. pressure prevents many countries from adopting saner drug laws. Within the last few years countries such as Brazil and Mexico have had to abandon efforts to decriminalize marijuana because the U.S. wouldn't allow it.

So ... yet another positive result we can look forward to as a result of the decline of the U.S. empire.

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"Goats love to play with it"
Posted by: 6ndi333 on Dec 16, 2008 9:35 AM   
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"Legalize it. Don't criticize it."

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Uh, pardon my ignorance
Posted by: willymack on Dec 16, 2008 12:10 PM   
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But don't we have damn near as many hapless twits rotting away in jail for drug offenses as the entire population of the Netherlands? Who is it with the drug problem?

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Christian moral objections to pot...
Posted by: NikoKun on Dec 16, 2008 4:25 PM   
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I have no respect at all for the Christians or otherwise who claim Marijuana is bad on Moral grounds... Because that belief is based on lies. That entire mindset is based on the lies from the 30s/40s.

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Legal Cannabis and other things referred to as drugs
Posted by: frankosandiego on Jan 4, 2009 6:45 PM   
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Frnak’s Laws:

Legal drugs = Controllable
Illegal drugs = Out-of-Control

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