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Vancouver's Radical Approach to Drugs: Let Junkies Be Junkies
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On a chilly, overcast morning in downtown Vancouver, British Columbia, a steady trickle of sallow-faced drug addicts shambles up to a storefront painted with flowers and the words "Welcome to Insite." One by one, they ring the doorbell and are buzzed into a tidy reception area staffed by smiling volunteers.
The junkies come here almost around the clock, seven days a week. Some just grab a fistful of clean syringes from one of the buckets by the door and head out again. But about 600 times a day, others walk in with pocketfuls of heroin, cocaine or speed that they've scored out on the street; sign in; go to a clean, well-lit room lined with stainless steel booths; and, under the protective watch of two nurses, shoot their drugs into their veins.
Welcome to North America's only officially sanctioned "supervised injection site." The facility sits in the heart of Vancouver's Downtown East Side, 10 square blocks that compose one of the poorest neighborhoods in all of Canada. The area is home to an estimated 4,700 intravenous drug users and thousands of crack addicts. For years, it's been a world-class health disaster, not to mention a public relations nightmare for a town that is famous for its beautiful mountains and beaches (and is gearing up to host the 2010 Winter Olympics). Nearly a third of the Downtown East Side's inhabitants are estimated to be HIV-positive, according to the United Nations Population Fund, a rate on par with Botswana's. Twice that number have hepatitis C. Dozens die of drug overdoses every year.
Largely in response to this nightmare neighborhood, Canada's third-largest city has embarked on a radical experiment: Over the last several years, it has overhauled its police and social services practices to re-frame drug use as primarily a public health issue, not a criminal one. In the process, it has become by far the continent's most drug-tolerant city, launching an experiment dramatically at odds with the U.S. War on Drugs.
Smoking weed has been effectively decriminalized. The famous "B.C. bud," rivaled in potency only by California's finest, is puffed so widely and openly that the city has earned the nickname "Vansterdam." A single block in the Downtown East Side hosts several pot seed wholesalers, the headquarters of the British Columbia Marijuana Party and the toking-allowed New Amsterdam Caf.
But that's nothing next to the city's approach to drugs like heroin and crack. Impelled by the horror show of the Downtown East Side, prodded by activists and convinced by reams of academic studies, the police and city government have agreed to provide hard drug users with their paraphernalia, a place to use it and even, for a few, the drugs themselves.
More than 2 million syringes are handed out free every year. Clean mouthpieces for crack pipes are provided at taxpayers' expense. Around 4,000 opiate addicts get prescription methadone. Thousands come to the injection site every year.
On top of that, health officials just wrapped up a pilot program in which addicts were given prescription heroin. And it doesn't stop there. The mayor is pushing for a "stimulant maintenance" program to provide prescription a lternatives for cocaine and methamphetamine addicts. Emboldened advocates for drug users are even calling for a "supervised inhalation site" for crack smokers.
Vancouver has essentially become a gigantic field test, a 2 million-person laboratory for a set of tactics derived from a school of thought known as "harm reduction." It's based on a simple premise: No matter how many scare tactics are tried, laws passed or punishments imposed, people are going to get high. From winemaking monks to coca-leaf-chewing Bolivian peasants to peyote-chomping Navajos to caffeine-fueled office workers to the junkies of Vansterdam, human beings have never been willing to settle for our inherently limited palette of states of consciousness.
If you accept the notion that people aren't going to stop abusing drugs, it makes sense to try to minimize the damage they inflict on themselves and the rest of us while they're at it. Harm reduction is less about compassion than it is about enlightened self-interest. The idea is to give addicts clean needles and mouthpieces not to be nice but so they don't get HIV or pneumonia from sharing equipment and then become a burden on the public health system. Give them a medically supervised place to shoot up so they don't overdose and clog up emergency rooms, leaving their infected needles behind on the sidewalk.
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Posted by: Nodarse on Nov 18, 2008 1:52 AM
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I sincerely hope Vancouver succeeds with this program and it spreads to other governments. Addiction is an illness and must be treated as such.
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Posted by: gunboat diplomat on Nov 18, 2008 3:29 AM
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Prescription drugs in the United States account for 9 out of 10 drug overdose deaths - due to people taking to many of their pills, or mixing the wrong pills at too high a dose (Heath Ledger, for example).
Tobacco is the biggest killer, leading to more health care costs than any other, and the industry still focuses advertising on their "future lifetime customers", teenagers.
You can't write about drug-related crime while ignoring these three. It's very typical for mainstream reporters to attempt to draw clear lines between illegal drugs and the industry's biggest advertisers (Big Pharma, Tobacco and Alcohol), but that's just not the case.
Imagine if everywhere in the article one saw "heroin" or "crack" one saw "alcohol"? How would that look?
"I saw empty liquor bottles scattered around the streets."
"Drunk were keeled over in alleyways, out cold in their own vomit."
"The jails were full of alcohol addicts who had engaged in wild drunken brawls in public."
There is very little difference between an alcohol addict and a heroin addict, in real life. That simply means that all drugs should be legalized and regulated, just as alcohol is, and the dangers of the Legal Three should be emphasized just as much as the dangers of cocaine, meth and heroin are (and cannabis is innocuous, please.)
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» RE: Good comment, but your take on some Prescription Drugs is frankly, stoopid-on-crack
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Posted by: Ottomatic on Nov 18, 2008 3:52 AM
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A War on This and a War on That!
Where's the accountability?
Hundreds of Wars going on and
We are loosing them all.
It sounds like a business to me.
The Big Business of WAR!
We have no money for: Poverty, Education, Infrastructure, Renewable Energy or Health Care.
But,
We got WAR!
Does that make sense?
It does if your making a killing!
The Little Man fights the WARS and
The Little Man losses them
ALL.
We're all Little Men.
Remember Iran Contra.
STOP the BU__! SH__!
Put Organized crime out of business.
END Prohibition!
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Posted by: maxpayne on Nov 18, 2008 5:02 AM
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Posted by: schnoggi on Nov 18, 2008 5:36 AM
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stupid narcissistic fairy tale bullshit.
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Posted by: shd1230 on Nov 18, 2008 6:05 AM
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Posted by: strikealite on Nov 18, 2008 6:14 AM
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The key difference between Europe/Australia/canada/NZ etc and the US is that they have single payer health care systems and the US does not. When you have a single payer system, there is huge incentive for the government to reduce its health care costs, so dealing with these drug users becomes enlightened self interest, as the article says. When you have a health care system based on profits made by insurance companies, the incentive is certainly not to reduce costs. In addition, most drug users dont have health insurance, so there is no incentive to deal with the problem.
A single payer system works well for these type of societal problems because the government sets health care policy and it is in their interest to reduce costs for taxpayers. The cost of giving someone clean needles is tiny compared to treating them for hep C and HIV down the road or the cost of the crimes they produce. I lived 2 mins walk away from an injection room in Kings Cross in sydney Australia when it opened in 2000, and it seemed to work really well.
The US, both government and non-profit groups, do a lot of work to help drug users, but it probably can't do anything close to what other countries are doing unless it changes its health care system.
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Posted by: Quasar on Nov 18, 2008 6:32 AM
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The parity law is a big step in the right direction.
Vancouver is setting the pace for the rest of us in N. America.
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Posted by: nen on Nov 18, 2008 6:37 AM
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Um, Mr. Walters, Canada has provinces, not states. Thanks for, y'know, taking the time to learn something about our country. Hoser.
Also, Vancouver has the highest drug/crime rate? Well big surprise! It also has the highest population density in the country! Well whadda ya know? More people = more crime! Who'da thunk it? Jeeze.
I feel so misrepresented.
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Posted by: Nightstallion on Nov 18, 2008 7:42 AM
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"Laws" and Wars on "DRUGS" "PEOPLE" "MORALS" and Chimeras of Ship and State are why I started using drugs to begin with in an attempt to escape into myself. I made myself as stupid as the Laws ET AL!
What finally made me quit is that I realized I didn't want to die and not notice! Read that last sentence again, make sure you understand. I arrived at that decision by myself NONE of my erst while saviors made it. I was not forced to quit by a prison, a doctor, a preacher, a Judge, or my sick dog!
One must become WILLING to admit they have a problem before that first movement can be made. Locking them up or strapping them down just pisses them off and they try harder to escape! By doing this to people FORCING THEM that is, you will lend them the impetus they need to suicide. There is no OUTSIDE force that will stop a junkie this side of the grave.
Get it straight! Learn to understand it FEEL IT! One does not legislate a precept of men, and they cannot (except in blissful dreams) legislate freedoms or rights. All they can do is threaten with death or imprisonment and that shit does not work! Ten thousand years of so-called civilization have taught that.
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Posted by: Petrus on Nov 18, 2008 8:13 AM
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» RE: epealing prohibition was harm reduction
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Posted by: Archie1954 on Nov 18, 2008 8:44 AM
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» Actually, that's just a non-addictive painkiller based on tetrodoxin
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Posted by: marid on Nov 18, 2008 11:32 AM
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Just another way to shovel the dollars to the Corpse.
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Posted by: DaBear on Nov 18, 2008 2:23 PM
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Locally in the US, some Californian school systems still have to deal with DARE offspring and their craptasm of stoopid. Coming this Wednesday the local middle school PTSA is sponsoring "Teens & the Internet, Sports Drinks, Alcohol & Drugs." It's a DARE end-run around complementing the local "replacement" of DARE with the equally innoculative bullshit scam called "Project ALERT"... the "discussion" is a talk-at event where two cops (the former DARE coordinators) preach the everything-is-addictive, teens-are-just-potential-inmates approach to parenting to a bunch of well-heeled owning class white parents.
As long as this is what passes for drug policy, the US will be at the bottom in terms of dealing with reality.
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Posted by: Nightstallion on Nov 18, 2008 3:28 PM
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At least in Vancouver they are trying to do no harm. Hippocrates would be proud! Learn to listen to the Junkie not just what he says, but what he DOESN’T say. If a junkie shows up blowing snot, shaking, barfing, Jones sick and says Gimmie another shot; torture is not the answer. Give the ninny another shot! If on the other hand he shows up and says something like: “Help me if I head for the door shoot my miserable ass!” MAYBE there is hope of reaching through the garbage to that man!
It is rare but sometimes junkies will say after a good long toot, I quit, that’s it, no fucking more. I ain’t starting that shit again if my ass falls off! It is wise at that point NOT to contradict him. Instead, get a bunch of other junkies who have been saying that for years and NOT using, to talk with him. Hooray for Vancouver, someone is thinking someone finally found a brain instead of a “Fix it” machine.
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Posted by: andrewstromotich on Nov 18, 2008 4:27 PM
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Our office was in the block the article refers to, and the 4real vancouver show with eva mendes dealt with the insite clinic.
one of the characters in the show, a blonde woman about 40 (looks 50 at least), used the clinic for some time. she didn't get aids and is now clean. I saw her with her new dog out walking one day, and told her i recognized her from the cut of the show i ws working on. she told me how she no longer goes to insite as she is now clean. Insite got her into the system and showed her someone cared, and as a result she is now in recovery.
it is harm reduction for the city, but it is also a chance for these neglected people to get back into the system and get the greater help they need.
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Posted by: bryangalt on Nov 18, 2008 7:01 PM
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It would be a pleasant surprise if our "Christian" nation would stop acting like they have never fallen on their asses and start acting like they care about their fellow man when it comes to drug issues.
I cannot speak for everyone, but I am fairly certain that no one starts off life with the goal of becoming addicted to any substances or behaviors (cigarettes, alcohol, xanax, speed, sex, gambling, porn, etc). It just creeps up on a person usually with the cheering support of your peer group!
In the movie "Lord of War" the main character makes the statement:"I never understood why one person could be a recreational user and another becomes an addicted user (paraphrasing here since I don't have the exact quote available!!). That question is the heart of the problem but is the most obvious and easy to answer: THE HUMAN FACTOR.
Once we start to recognize this, then programs like Vancouver can get more widely accepted and then we as a society may actually see a change in the way things are done. Wouldn't it be nice to be nice to our brothers and sisters who are need of a kind word that doesn't require a prayer meeting to get it?
In California, the cost of housing a prisoner is now estimated to be over $7,000 a month. That is $84,000 a year. If 50% of the 220,000 prisoners are drug offenses, that's $9.2 billion being spent to punish a medical/social issue.
Imagine what could be accomplished if that money was spent to increase college admissions, or provide a safe haven to those who need it?
Imagine new lives being saved every day.
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Posted by: Tik on Nov 19, 2008 3:12 AM
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Why in the heck are these narcissistic parasites allowed to breathe and walk free?
All they're doing is spreading spread lethal diseases, giving birth to innocent, diseased children who will suffer from poverty, and make life miserable for the healthy and functional. They lie about their health and infect the non-diseased, non-drug abusing citizens. It's insanity that any civilization would put up with it.
I swear, this is the worse form of national codependency. We don't blink at getting rid of cancer, so why is this any different?
Canada and the US needs to build a couple of decent towns that are designed like modern day, Lepers-style Colonies on an island, and ship them off where they will get off drugs because there won't be any. How's that for drug treatment? And there, they'll work for a living.
Have one town for the HIV/HepC population and sterilize them, and another for the uninfected. This way they can't contaminate the rest of society and each other with their diseases and crimes. The citizens will maintain the towns, work jobs, etc, and lock up the sociopaths who refuse to work. The uninfected population gets to return to society after they've demonstrated they can hold a job and have learned some skills.
These diseases need to be stamped out, and if someone doesn't take an unpopular and hard line like they should have back in 1981 when less than 1500 people in the US had HIV, this health problem will continue to grow geometrically and eventually suck us all dry - like a giant cluster of ticks.
Think this is a cruel solution? Yeah, it is, but it's more cruel to let this insanity continue and destroy our communities.
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Posted by: PaulK on Nov 19, 2008 8:53 AM
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We could offer free drugs for a limited trial period to get the desperate addicts to come in to a city's clinic. Then we could give them choices. If an addict can switch to methadone and hold a job, they can stay in the city. If they can't, they can go to the safe farm for higher drug doses, food, a bed, and more leeway. If and when they recover somewhat at the reservation, the city option is open. This tactic pre-emptively pulls the ripoff artists and muggers out of town without requiring a felony conviction.
Sweden has a weekend reservation for convicted drunk drivers. People work, then they don't party on weekends.
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Posted by: speedo on Nov 19, 2008 10:43 AM
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I live on Vancouver's east side and I was shot at this summer by a doofus trying to convince a dealer he'd make a good protector. Playing with my three year old and newborn baby in the grass, I was an imminent threat to them both. The cops took him down and he was back the next day, shuffling around the neighbourhood looking for things to steal out of people's yards. But it came out he's addicted to crack, has FAS and a history of mental health issues.
There is a hooker who stands not 50 yards from my door at all hours of the day and night. She's supporting her habit. And getting pregnant frequently. She's now carrying child number 4 and she's 22. Community groups approach her with offers for job training and housing and she turns them all down. "She can't live the straight life", she says.
If you're socially borderline, drugs like heroin and cocaine are consumed to help erase pain but only cut you off from opportunities to make your life rich and fulfilling. No job, no hobbies, no fun, no comfort, no security and no love.
It makes no sense to punish people for their pain but it makes less sense to watch them struggle to survive and even less sense than that to let their struggles disrupt the lives of others. At some point, the state has to intervene and say, "I'm sorry you can't live the straight life but now you're gonna have to accept our help."
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Posted by: macrumpton on Nov 19, 2008 11:13 AM
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Perhaps playback of a recording of people being savagely beaten coming from methadone clinics and similar institutions would satisfy the moralists.
Another possibility is to appeal to greed, somehow the moralists are always wanting to hoard their cash. If the financial costs were compared I am sure "justice" and prison is far more expensive than the disease approach to drug addicts. Now combine that with something cheap and punitive and I think you would have a winner.
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Posted by: reelectnoone on Nov 20, 2008 8:56 AM
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We need a new breed who are willing to not only look at facts, but take a pro-active stance to educate their own citizens as to the value of those facts.
The current mind-set here is that somehow prison is a valuable method of treatment for drug addiction. How stupid and narrow minded can they be?
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Posted by: efficacy on Dec 11, 2008 5:42 AM
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Safe injection/heroin, meth, cocaine, mda maintanance programs are what will end prohibition. Thats what I believe but other people say no. What do you think? If we show
the so called harder drugs can be controlled, then cannabis is a cake walk
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Posted by: Nodarse on Nov 18, 2008 1:52 AM
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I sincerely hope Vancouver succeeds with this program and it spreads to other governments. Addiction is an illness and must be treated as such.
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Posted by: gunboat diplomat on Nov 18, 2008 3:29 AM
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Prescription drugs in the United States account for 9 out of 10 drug overdose deaths - due to people taking to many of their pills, or mixing the wrong pills at too high a dose (Heath Ledger, for example).
Tobacco is the biggest killer, leading to more health care costs than any other, and the industry still focuses advertising on their "future lifetime customers", teenagers.
You can't write about drug-related crime while ignoring these three. It's very typical for mainstream reporters to attempt to draw clear lines between illegal drugs and the industry's biggest advertisers (Big Pharma, Tobacco and Alcohol), but that's just not the case.
Imagine if everywhere in the article one saw "heroin" or "crack" one saw "alcohol"? How would that look?
"I saw empty liquor bottles scattered around the streets."
"Drunk were keeled over in alleyways, out cold in their own vomit."
"The jails were full of alcohol addicts who had engaged in wild drunken brawls in public."
There is very little difference between an alcohol addict and a heroin addict, in real life. That simply means that all drugs should be legalized and regulated, just as alcohol is, and the dangers of the Legal Three should be emphasized just as much as the dangers of cocaine, meth and heroin are (and cannabis is innocuous, please.)
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Posted by: Ottomatic on Nov 18, 2008 3:52 AM
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A War on This and a War on That!
Where's the accountability?
Hundreds of Wars going on and
We are loosing them all.
It sounds like a business to me.
The Big Business of WAR!
We have no money for: Poverty, Education, Infrastructure, Renewable Energy or Health Care.
But,
We got WAR!
Does that make sense?
It does if your making a killing!
The Little Man fights the WARS and
The Little Man losses them
ALL.
We're all Little Men.
Remember Iran Contra.
STOP the BU__! SH__!
Put Organized crime out of business.
END Prohibition!
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Posted by: maxpayne on Nov 18, 2008 5:02 AM
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Posted by: schnoggi on Nov 18, 2008 5:36 AM
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stupid narcissistic fairy tale bullshit.
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Posted by: shd1230 on Nov 18, 2008 6:05 AM
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Posted by: strikealite on Nov 18, 2008 6:14 AM
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The key difference between Europe/Australia/canada/NZ etc and the US is that they have single payer health care systems and the US does not. When you have a single payer system, there is huge incentive for the government to reduce its health care costs, so dealing with these drug users becomes enlightened self interest, as the article says. When you have a health care system based on profits made by insurance companies, the incentive is certainly not to reduce costs. In addition, most drug users dont have health insurance, so there is no incentive to deal with the problem.
A single payer system works well for these type of societal problems because the government sets health care policy and it is in their interest to reduce costs for taxpayers. The cost of giving someone clean needles is tiny compared to treating them for hep C and HIV down the road or the cost of the crimes they produce. I lived 2 mins walk away from an injection room in Kings Cross in sydney Australia when it opened in 2000, and it seemed to work really well.
The US, both government and non-profit groups, do a lot of work to help drug users, but it probably can't do anything close to what other countries are doing unless it changes its health care system.
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Posted by: Quasar on Nov 18, 2008 6:32 AM
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The parity law is a big step in the right direction.
Vancouver is setting the pace for the rest of us in N. America.
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Posted by: nen on Nov 18, 2008 6:37 AM
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Um, Mr. Walters, Canada has provinces, not states. Thanks for, y'know, taking the time to learn something about our country. Hoser.
Also, Vancouver has the highest drug/crime rate? Well big surprise! It also has the highest population density in the country! Well whadda ya know? More people = more crime! Who'da thunk it? Jeeze.
I feel so misrepresented.
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Posted by: Nightstallion on Nov 18, 2008 7:42 AM
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"Laws" and Wars on "DRUGS" "PEOPLE" "MORALS" and Chimeras of Ship and State are why I started using drugs to begin with in an attempt to escape into myself. I made myself as stupid as the Laws ET AL!
What finally made me quit is that I realized I didn't want to die and not notice! Read that last sentence again, make sure you understand. I arrived at that decision by myself NONE of my erst while saviors made it. I was not forced to quit by a prison, a doctor, a preacher, a Judge, or my sick dog!
One must become WILLING to admit they have a problem before that first movement can be made. Locking them up or strapping them down just pisses them off and they try harder to escape! By doing this to people FORCING THEM that is, you will lend them the impetus they need to suicide. There is no OUTSIDE force that will stop a junkie this side of the grave.
Get it straight! Learn to understand it FEEL IT! One does not legislate a precept of men, and they cannot (except in blissful dreams) legislate freedoms or rights. All they can do is threaten with death or imprisonment and that shit does not work! Ten thousand years of so-called civilization have taught that.
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Posted by: marid on Nov 18, 2008 11:32 AM
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Just another way to shovel the dollars to the Corpse.
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Posted by: DaBear on Nov 18, 2008 2:23 PM
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Locally in the US, some Californian school systems still have to deal with DARE offspring and their craptasm of stoopid. Coming this Wednesday the local middle school PTSA is sponsoring "Teens & the Internet, Sports Drinks, Alcohol & Drugs." It's a DARE end-run around complementing the local "replacement" of DARE with the equally innoculative bullshit scam called "Project ALERT"... the "discussion" is a talk-at event where two cops (the former DARE coordinators) preach the everything-is-addictive, teens-are-just-potential-inmates approach to parenting to a bunch of well-heeled owning class white parents.
As long as this is what passes for drug policy, the US will be at the bottom in terms of dealing with reality.
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Posted by: Nightstallion on Nov 18, 2008 3:28 PM
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At least in Vancouver they are trying to do no harm. Hippocrates would be proud! Learn to listen to the Junkie not just what he says, but what he DOESN’T say. If a junkie shows up blowing snot, shaking, barfing, Jones sick and says Gimmie another shot; torture is not the answer. Give the ninny another shot! If on the other hand he shows up and says something like: “Help me if I head for the door shoot my miserable ass!” MAYBE there is hope of reaching through the garbage to that man!
It is rare but sometimes junkies will say after a good long toot, I quit, that’s it, no fucking more. I ain’t starting that shit again if my ass falls off! It is wise at that point NOT to contradict him. Instead, get a bunch of other junkies who have been saying that for years and NOT using, to talk with him. Hooray for Vancouver, someone is thinking someone finally found a brain instead of a “Fix it” machine.
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Posted by: andrewstromotich on Nov 18, 2008 4:27 PM
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Our office was in the block the article refers to, and the 4real vancouver show with eva mendes dealt with the insite clinic.
one of the characters in the show, a blonde woman about 40 (looks 50 at least), used the clinic for some time. she didn't get aids and is now clean. I saw her with her new dog out walking one day, and told her i recognized her from the cut of the show i ws working on. she told me how she no longer goes to insite as she is now clean. Insite got her into the system and showed her someone cared, and as a result she is now in recovery.
it is harm reduction for the city, but it is also a chance for these neglected people to get back into the system and get the greater help they need.
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Posted by: bryangalt on Nov 18, 2008 7:01 PM
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It would be a pleasant surprise if our "Christian" nation would stop acting like they have never fallen on their asses and start acting like they care about their fellow man when it comes to drug issues.
I cannot speak for everyone, but I am fairly certain that no one starts off life with the goal of becoming addicted to any substances or behaviors (cigarettes, alcohol, xanax, speed, sex, gambling, porn, etc). It just creeps up on a person usually with the cheering support of your peer group!
In the movie "Lord of War" the main character makes the statement:"I never understood why one person could be a recreational user and another becomes an addicted user (paraphrasing here since I don't have the exact quote available!!). That question is the heart of the problem but is the most obvious and easy to answer: THE HUMAN FACTOR.
Once we start to recognize this, then programs like Vancouver can get more widely accepted and then we as a society may actually see a change in the way things are done. Wouldn't it be nice to be nice to our brothers and sisters who are need of a kind word that doesn't require a prayer meeting to get it?
In California, the cost of housing a prisoner is now estimated to be over $7,000 a month. That is $84,000 a year. If 50% of the 220,000 prisoners are drug offenses, that's $9.2 billion being spent to punish a medical/social issue.
Imagine what could be accomplished if that money was spent to increase college admissions, or provide a safe haven to those who need it?
Imagine new lives being saved every day.
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Posted by: Tik on Nov 19, 2008 3:12 AM
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Why in the heck are these narcissistic parasites allowed to breathe and walk free?
All they're doing is spreading spread lethal diseases, giving birth to innocent, diseased children who will suffer from poverty, and make life miserable for the healthy and functional. They lie about their health and infect the non-diseased, non-drug abusing citizens. It's insanity that any civilization would put up with it.
I swear, this is the worse form of national codependency. We don't blink at getting rid of cancer, so why is this any different?
Canada and the US needs to build a couple of decent towns that are designed like modern day, Lepers-style Colonies on an island, and ship them off where they will get off drugs because there won't be any. How's that for drug treatment? And there, they'll work for a living.
Have one town for the HIV/HepC population and sterilize them, and another for the uninfected. This way they can't contaminate the rest of society and each other with their diseases and crimes. The citizens will maintain the towns, work jobs, etc, and lock up the sociopaths who refuse to work. The uninfected population gets to return to society after they've demonstrated they can hold a job and have learned some skills.
These diseases need to be stamped out, and if someone doesn't take an unpopular and hard line like they should have back in 1981 when less than 1500 people in the US had HIV, this health problem will continue to grow geometrically and eventually suck us all dry - like a giant cluster of ticks.
Think this is a cruel solution? Yeah, it is, but it's more cruel to let this insanity continue and destroy our communities.
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Posted by: PaulK on Nov 19, 2008 8:53 AM
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We could offer free drugs for a limited trial period to get the desperate addicts to come in to a city's clinic. Then we could give them choices. If an addict can switch to methadone and hold a job, they can stay in the city. If they can't, they can go to the safe farm for higher drug doses, food, a bed, and more leeway. If and when they recover somewhat at the reservation, the city option is open. This tactic pre-emptively pulls the ripoff artists and muggers out of town without requiring a felony conviction.
Sweden has a weekend reservation for convicted drunk drivers. People work, then they don't party on weekends.
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Posted by: speedo on Nov 19, 2008 10:43 AM
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I live on Vancouver's east side and I was shot at this summer by a doofus trying to convince a dealer he'd make a good protector. Playing with my three year old and newborn baby in the grass, I was an imminent threat to them both. The cops took him down and he was back the next day, shuffling around the neighbourhood looking for things to steal out of people's yards. But it came out he's addicted to crack, has FAS and a history of mental health issues.
There is a hooker who stands not 50 yards from my door at all hours of the day and night. She's supporting her habit. And getting pregnant frequently. She's now carrying child number 4 and she's 22. Community groups approach her with offers for job training and housing and she turns them all down. "She can't live the straight life", she says.
If you're socially borderline, drugs like heroin and cocaine are consumed to help erase pain but only cut you off from opportunities to make your life rich and fulfilling. No job, no hobbies, no fun, no comfort, no security and no love.
It makes no sense to punish people for their pain but it makes less sense to watch them struggle to survive and even less sense than that to let their struggles disrupt the lives of others. At some point, the state has to intervene and say, "I'm sorry you can't live the straight life but now you're gonna have to accept our help."
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Posted by: macrumpton on Nov 19, 2008 11:13 AM
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Perhaps playback of a recording of people being savagely beaten coming from methadone clinics and similar institutions would satisfy the moralists.
Another possibility is to appeal to greed, somehow the moralists are always wanting to hoard their cash. If the financial costs were compared I am sure "justice" and prison is far more expensive than the disease approach to drug addicts. Now combine that with something cheap and punitive and I think you would have a winner.
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Posted by: reelectnoone on Nov 20, 2008 8:56 AM
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We need a new breed who are willing to not only look at facts, but take a pro-active stance to educate their own citizens as to the value of those facts.
The current mind-set here is that somehow prison is a valuable method of treatment for drug addiction. How stupid and narrow minded can they be?
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Safe injection/heroin, meth, cocaine, mda maintanance programs are what will end prohibition. Thats what I believe but other people say no. What do you think? If we show
the so called harder drugs can be controlled, then cannabis is a cake walk
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