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Will Pot Ever Be Legal in This Schizoid Country?

By Steven Wishnia, AlterNet. Posted May 1, 2008.


Five signs that pot might become legal soon -- and five reasons why it probably won't.
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Marijuana occupies a bizarrely paradoxical place in American culture. Its use is widespread, commonplace among the young and ubiquitous in popular culture. Yet it remains highly illegal, and talk of legalization is usually deemed political suicide.

Here are five signs that pot should be legal soon -- and five reasons why it probably won't.

1. Pot is indelibly a part of the cultural mainstream. The stoner comedy Harold and Kumar Escape from Guantanamo Bay grossed $14.6 million in its first weekend, making it the second most popular movie in the country. Most pro basketball players blaze, according to sources as diverse as the ganjaphile Mavericks player Josh Howard and the anti-drug ex-Knick Charles Oakley. And on April 20, thousands of revelers turned out at the University of Colorado and the University of California at Santa Cruz to celebrate the 4/20 herb holiday.

As of 2002, notes Keith Stroup, legal counsel with the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws, 47 percent of American adults had smoked marijuana at some time in their lives, according to a CNN/Time poll. By today, he adds, "it is likely there are more living Americans who have smoked marijuana than who have not. Approximately 26 million Americans smoked marijuana just in the last year. All of these people know it did not cause them any real harm and that it did not keep them from having a successful life and career."

2. Increased medical acceptance. In February, the American College of Physicians, the second-largest medical organization in the country, urged the federal government to move cannabis out of Schedule I, the category for drugs with no legal medical use, "given marijuana's proven efficacy at treating certain symptoms and its relatively low toxicity." The group also strongly urged legal protections for doctors who prescribe cannabis and patients who use it.

Last year, more than 3,000 articles on cannabinoids were published in scientific journals. These have explored their possible uses for a host of ailments, from easing the pain of arthritis to inhibiting the growth of brain tumors.

The development of vaporization technology -- pricey devices that heat cannabis to a point where the THC can be inhaled, but don't incinerate the plant matter -- has eliminated one of the main reasons for doctors to be uncomfortable about the medical use of cannabis: that smoke contains toxic compounds. "Vaporization of THC offers the rapid onset of symptom relief without the negative effects from smoking," the ACP noted.

3. A federal decriminalization bill was introduced last month. HR 5843, sponsored by Reps. Barney Frank, D-Mass., and Ron Paul, R-Tex., would eliminate federal penalties for possession of less than 100 grams or for the nonprofit transfer of less than one ounce between adults. The bill is the first decriminalization measure introduced in Congress since the early 1980s.

4. The state budget crunch. With the recession battering their treasuries, many states are taking a second look at the price of incarcerating thousands of drug prisoners. Legal cannabis would eliminate the costs of arresting, prosecuting and jailing cannabis users, growers and dealers, and could be a major new source of tax revenue -- especially in states like California, where it is estimated to be the most valuable cash crop. And cannabis farming could revive rural economies, whether by hemp production in the Great Plains or marijuana cultivation in Appalachia.

5. There are no rational arguments against legalizing cannabis under regulations similar to those for alcohol. I've been covering drug issues for almost 20 years (and smoking the green since? Well, I went to Woodstock when I was 14, you do the math), and I haven't heard any. The most common, the "gateway theory" and the idea that today's pot is so much stronger than Woodstock-era weed that it's essentially a different drug, are based on distortion and misinformation. They aren't even valid rebuttable presumptions like "abortion is murder," "the government should not interfere with the free market by regulating rents," or "the U.S. government had to depose Saddam Hussein by any means necessary." And the "send a message to the children" argument is akin to espousing the resurrection of Prohibition because legal alcohol encourages underage drinking.

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On the other hand, I strongly doubt that cannabis will become legal in the near future, for the following reasons.

1. Pot smokers aren't well organized. According to government surveys, there are about 4 million to 5 million regular marijuana users -- roughly speaking, people who get high at least once a week. The three leading drug-law-reform groups would have a combined mailing list of 35,000 to 55,000 people, estimates NORML executive director Allen St. Pierre. NORML has about 15,000 dues-paying members, 55,000 email subscribers, and 420,000 friends on its Facebook page. The Marijuana Policy Project claims 24,000 members and 180,000 email subscribers. The Drug Policy Alliance has 26,000 members and more than 100,000 email subscribers.


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Steven Wishnia is the author of Exit 25 Utopia, The Cannabis Companion and Invincible Coney Island. He lives in New York.

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Maybe it's just me, but...
Posted by: Miki on May 1, 2008 2:20 AM   
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...seems as if the MSM isn't the only media devoid of content, or maybe I need to stop smoking so much.




~Please fix this article Alternet.

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» RE: Maybe it's just me, but... Posted by: chiefwanadubie
» RE: Maybe it's just me, but... Posted by: abbadon2007
Where's the story Alternet????
Posted by: lively56 on May 1, 2008 3:51 AM   
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Aha, one to many tokes off old bong and forgot to post the story. hehehe

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» WTF over. Posted by: Hoot42
The position in the UK and Japan
Posted by: akai ringo on May 1, 2008 3:58 AM   
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Had there been an article on which to comment, I intended to say something along the lines that while there is still considerable ambivalence in the UK regarding the harmful effects of smoking cannabis (=marijuana, =pot), the position now and what seems to be the likely position in the future is that in the vast majority of cases, police officers will turn a blind eye, or issue a caution if they are so inclined, to someone having a quiet smoke, but will have additional powers to act if the smoke seems to be linked to other criminal activity. If this is in fact the way things turn out, it seems to me to be an eminently sensible position. It could, I suppose, be roughly compared to the illegal brewing of alcohol in Japan, where I now live. It is technically illegal here to brew your own home^made beer or wine, but unless you go to great lengths to tell the authoities that you are committing an illegasl act, you are in practice entirely free to brew your own beer, wine or whatever. Are there points here from which the U.S. could learn?

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» RE: The position in the UK Posted by: harryf200
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» The Messenger dearherb Posted by: Herbert Levinson
mia
Posted by: wittler youth on May 1, 2008 4:30 AM   
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I thought it was my p.c.!..pot will never be leagal in my life time..or yours. think all the wars on drug$..laws make money..but never for the good guys.

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» RE: mia Posted by: chronic420
It Difficult To Argue With This Article
Posted by: BlackbirdHighway on May 1, 2008 4:31 AM   
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But I'll do it anyway. I disagree with every point listed here!

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» RE: Disagree with every point how? Posted by: magiquarian1969
» You had to be there Posted by: mazel
Cannabis isn't completely harmless
Posted by: opmoc on May 1, 2008 4:33 AM   
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If you smoke too much you forget to actually put the words down - and if you smoke even more the words you put down make absolutely no sense to anyone else.

It is also liable to make you go completely paranoid such that you think Ozzy Osbourne is not the devil but the Messiah.

I reckon all these lunatics in control are stoned out of their heads on something - and cannabis was probably the gateway drug - so the politicians should be banned

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» RE: Cannabis isn't completely harmless Posted by: chiefwanadubie
dude
Posted by: HelperMonkey on May 1, 2008 4:37 AM   
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Dave's not here, man.

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» RE: dude Posted by: bornxeyed
don't bogart that article
Posted by: valeriecole on May 1, 2008 4:45 AM   
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wow....thought I might be interested in this
subject...where's AlterNet...hello...you there?

Can you tell me where you last put this article? Sure would like to read it.

Did u forget? Hellooo? Anybody home?

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» RE: don't bogart that article Posted by: chiefwanadubie
It all makes sense now - its the search for inner peace
Posted by: opmoc on May 1, 2008 4:58 AM   
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The Secret of Inner Peace

Could this be the answer? I am passing this on to you because it definitely worked for me and we all could use more calm in our lives.

By following the simple advice I heard on a Medical TV show, I have finally found inner peace.

A Doctor proclaimed the way to achieve inner peace is to finish all the things you have started.

So I looked around my house to see things I started and hadn't finished and, before leaving the house this morning I finished off a bottle of Merlot, a bottle of Shhhardonay, a bodle of Baileys, a butle of vocka, a pockage of Prunglies, tha mainder of bot Prozic and Valum scriptins, the res of the Chesescke an a box a chocolets.

Yu haf no idr who fukin gud I fel.

Peas sen dis orn to dem yu fee ar in ned ov inr pece.

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» Imagine Whirled Peas! Posted by: bornxeyed
Making more money keeping it illegal
Posted by: Purple Girl on May 1, 2008 5:05 AM   
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Come on we know who blocks this legislation- the Pharms- who are making bank off the 'Anti depressant/ anti anxiety' meds. Really would you want to smoke or eat something natural and a long history of effectiveness and safety- Or jsut Pop a pill that has serious sideffects like thoughts of Suicide. This logic is insane- but Profitable.
Add to that the Profits from this ridiculous 'War on Drugs'. Not that we couldn't use such law enforcement to actually be part of real Homeland Security!
Well you Go Barney & Dennis!
And if teh actually accomplish stealing this Dem nomination FOR Hillary- I'll vote for Paul. Actually may consider it anyway- I am sick of these two antiquated parties running our Country in the Ground- Corp covert Operatives working as 'Public Servants' - Inc Whores fully indoctrinated into the Cheney & Co Agenda.
Hang in there Ron- we Might just get the chance to see these Criminals eat Crap in Nov!
I'm certainly open to REAL Change!And No Longer Loyal to a party who has screwed US for Decades, camoflagued in Blue.

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» RE:Dennis was my first choice!! Posted by: Purple Girl
» Insane but profitable Posted by: Cathyc
If you havent seen American Drug War...
Posted by: Iconoclast421 on May 1, 2008 5:43 AM   
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watch it!

And to answer the question of when pot will be legalized.... probably when Ron Paul wins the presidency. (So, yeah, basically never.) There will have to be an economic collapse followed by a complete bankruptcy of the government. (It is already insolvent.) When they can no longer afford to run the prisons, they'll have to legalize.

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cowardace, entrenched bureaucracy and enforced morality are the problem
Posted by: johnthetreehugger on May 1, 2008 5:50 AM   
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y'all can blame big pharma if you want.

I believe pot to still illegal for three primary reasons:

1. Americans are political cowards - especially pot smokers. Americans have been trained to accept unjust authority and pot smokers have been trained to fear and hide from that same authority.

I'm sick of hearing medical or other lame rationales for legalizing pot. It should be legal because NO MAN OR GOV'T OR OTHER INSITUTION HAS ANY RIGHT TO TELL ME WHAT I CAN PUT IN MY BODY IN THE PRIVACY OF MY HOME (and especially if its natural and causes mellowness not violence)

This is the land of the free. No true free human being should tolerate the oppression that comes with pot laws (not to mention a host of other regulations that are anti-freedom).

2. The DEA, the FBI and all state and local law enforcement agencies and court apparatuses are making waaaay too much money (on the books and off) by keeping pot illegal. These authoritarian scum could care less if pot is safer than booze. They just don't want to lose a very lucrative source of funding. A good example is the fact that the DEA leans on Farm Bureau types whenever the issue of agricultural hemp comes to the fore and gets them to stop supporting it.

3. related to number one: We put up with too much enforced morality and let it infringe upon our freedom. Sorry, but your religion does not give you the right to tell me what I can put in my body. Especially if i don't share your religion.

then there are the hypocrites - you know, the legions of Republicans, Democrats, law and order types, Christians, business majors, ex-military personal, cops, lawyers, doctors, professors and other mostly normal American middle class professionals who are happy to toke once in a while, or even maintain mild or serious habits, but will deny it and hide it and NEVER, NEVER, stand up for legalization 'cause they are political cowards and/or authoritarians or they just don't care 'cause they'll never get caught and if they do, they can afford attorneys to make the possession charge go away.

So, until we, as a people, decide that we won't give blind obedience to entrenched bureaucracy, corrupt law enforcement, stupid morals and other infringements on our American and Human rights, pot will remain illegal and authoritarian scum will keep pushing us all around and continue to erode what's left of our liberty.

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Expert Opinion Please
Posted by: harryf200 on May 1, 2008 5:58 AM   
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We have lots of people writing on these blogs, most claiming pot is harmless and some saying it isn't. My impression is that many of the writers here believe what they want to believe, will accept only the opinions that confirm their own views.

But I have yet to see anything written here by someone who knows more than laymen! Is there no one out there who will give an expert opinion, based on their own research? Please experts, tell us: Is the old style pot harmful or not? What about Skunk Weed? Is that harmless or can it cause loss of brain function and even mental illness as some researchers appear to claim?

Where are the real experts?

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» RE: pot smokers are experts Posted by: Lauren
» Studies Posted by: LeeAnnG
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» How about Dr Lester Grinspoon? Posted by: stellabloo
» How about Fiorello LaGuardia? Posted by: bornxeyed
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» RE: xpert Opinion Please Posted by: jroth420
» All smoke is not equal Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: All smoke is not equal Posted by: Lauren
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» I'm An Expert On My Own Liberty Posted by: left_libertarian
The only way itll ever be legal...
Posted by: kelethian on May 1, 2008 5:54 AM   
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...is if we have a full-blown revolution. pure and simple. The special interests are at this point too entrenched to change anything by electing yet another one of their flunkies.

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In favor
Posted by: Bushmaster on May 1, 2008 5:59 AM   
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For the majority of 25 years I smoked pot daily.

I do not do it anymore on a daily basis.

However every so often I like it, it helps with creativity, and it helps with insights into life, if taken every so often.

I'd like to see it legal.

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» RE: In favor of what exactly? Posted by: harryf200
» IDIOT! Posted by: bornxeyed
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» RE: IDIOT! Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: IDIOT! Posted by: jroth420
» Helps with creativity? Posted by: harryf200
» He told me it was BiPolar Posted by: meetmeineleusis
urg
Posted by: personalpolitical on May 1, 2008 6:01 AM   
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WOW, this is really important, like the most important issue out there! Screw global warming and Iraq and the economy and health care and education, the real problem is stoners aren't able to smoke their pot freely!

Give me a goddamn break, get a life people.

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Point In Favor Of Legalization
Posted by: Phred42 on May 1, 2008 6:01 AM   
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Legalizing smoking quality Hemp would remove the barriers and allow us to explore the INDUSTRIAL USES of the non-smokable type of Hemp - which are many, and the potential benefits to our Economy HUGE.

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» All those uses for hemp Posted by: xxdr_zombiexx
My take
Posted by: riffraff2001 on May 1, 2008 6:14 AM   
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Pot should be legal. Not for the reason most of you think. For the same reason why I believe all drugs should be legal. Let the stupid, lazy, and weak people kill themselves and then we'll have a much smarter and hard-working populace. Don't get me wrong. I like people who smoke pot (and do other drugs) just fine. They're nice people. But you're smoking crack (maybe literally) if you think that pot is "good" for you. It might relieve stress. It might dull pain. That's fine. But if you're using it just to see purple baboons jumping out of chocolate-filled rainbows, then get a freaking life. Get off the couch and, oh I don't know, jog or something. I guarantee that you will feel better.

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» You're an idiot too Posted by: bornxeyed
» Good retort, bornxeyed! Posted by: Cathyc
» RE: My take Posted by: Anon12
Let's cut the "pot" talk out and cut to the chase, shall we?
Posted by: maxpayne on May 1, 2008 6:30 AM   
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First of all, the author buys into the "pot" frame thereby allowing Cannabis to be badmouthed. Instead, why not go on the offensive and bring about the 26000 uses of Cannabis, in particular, hemp, the non-THC version of Cannabis. At a time when gas prices are rising high and Big Oil, Coal, Gas, Nuclear, Chemical, Agri, Tobacco, Cotton, Paper, Junk Food, Pharma, War, etc ... are killing and ripping you and I apart, the last thing we need to talk about is "pot". Well, let me tell you this. Name me one petroleum-manufactured poison bill that's any better than "pot" and prove that it's any better. I'll bet you can't even name one. And tell me how tobacco is any better than "pot" ?

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Organized crime and the great depression
Posted by: meetmeineleusis on May 1, 2008 6:30 AM   
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helped bring down prohibition. The upcoming 2nd great depression might be history repeating.

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» History repeating Posted by: Cathyc
» RE: History repeating Posted by: bornxeyed
our national debt
Posted by: jeffersonian on May 1, 2008 7:18 AM   
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would become a surplus quickly by legalizing marijuana and taxing it heavily as is current for alcohol.

Instead, we borrow money from China with no means to pay it back. We as a society are really stupid.

Yes, lots of successful people have used and do use marijuana. Very few are like Cheech and Chong. Just as very few people who drink alcohol are falling-down drunks.

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» RE: our national debt Posted by: bornxeyed
Number One Reason
Posted by: ClassAct on May 1, 2008 7:26 AM   
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The number one reason cannabis will not be legalized is that it is an important lynchpin holding the right wing together. Through its prohibition, cannabis produces a huge government-financed business for the business elite while promoting moral superiority for conservative rhetoric. (Much of this rhetoric is evident in the comments on this article.) The left has failed to “capitalize” upon the opportunity that cannabis, like sex before it (where there has been some progress), presents for the leftist cause and the many benefits that will accrue for the public if it is legalized. The Democrats must be made to realize the strategic significance of the matter and public protest must occur to bring this about.

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DUBIE OR NOT DUBIE,IT'S TIME FOR THAT QUESTION???
Posted by: chiefwanadubie on May 1, 2008 7:52 AM   
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I have been trying to legalize cannabis/ pot/ marijuana, since 1975, and that in it's self qualifies me as an expert on the subject, I'm a dr. of dubalogy!!! Lets step back in time for a moment, back to prohibition of alcohol. Prohibition took a vote of the people and a constitutional amendment to pass, the war on drugs, never got that courtesy!!! prohibition was fueled by the fear and hatred of the Germans, following wwi, by the temperest movement (the church of England), the war against drugs is funded and promoted by the moral majority (the church of England) Natural plants were outlawed in 1937 right after prohibition was repealed, in order to give the gangsters something else on the black market!!! marijuana, will not become legal until tobacco is outlawed, to replace it on the black market!!! In order to keep our gangster government in power!!!

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Bad Article, Steve
Posted by: xxdr_zombiexx on May 1, 2008 8:00 AM   
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My scathing reply here. Too much for this comment box.

Jesus, this is a ridiculous article.

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» An irrational society Posted by: Cathyc
» RE: An irrational society Posted by: bornxeyed
Follow the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Desperate Times....
Posted by: picket on May 1, 2008 8:02 AM   
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"...if history of alcohol prohibition is a guide, drug prohibition will not end merely because there are many sound, sensible and human reasons to end it. Instead, it will end only if and when Congress gets desperate for another source of revenue."
The Politics of Prohibition...Don Boudreaux

Alcohol vs Cannabis Prohibition

The politics during 1920's when "THEY" tried to force everyone to give up drinking, Americans kept drinking, violence increased and there was NO sympathy by the Politicians to end Prohibition. Then... the Great Depression and Congress was desperate for tax revenues. So it ended.

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» Its always about the money Posted by: Cathyc
treason American style
Posted by: chiefwanadubie on May 1, 2008 8:18 AM   
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Since the assassination of J.F.K. The government has been at war with the American people, starting with the war against poverty, the war against inequity, the war against racial indifference, the war against drugs, obesity, illiteracy, smoking, drunk driving...Who gave the majority the right to wage war against the minority??? Treason did!!!None of these wars make any sense, but they sure make a lot of dollars!!! We have become a divided nation/ fascists, we have a "not-see" government, that is guilty of treason in the first degree!!! END TERRORISM: VOTE THEM OUT!!!

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Drug War Facts
Posted by: fanny666 on May 1, 2008 8:28 AM   
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Drug War Facts (PDF file) worth printing out and reading when you have some time.

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» The problem with "drug war facts" Posted by: xxdr_zombiexx
» intoxicating Posted by: bornxeyed
Marijuana has many uses and could create a new green economic boom..!
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on May 1, 2008 8:37 AM   
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If we were to legalize the cultivation of Marijuana for different uses by Americans we would keep billions of dollars from leaving the country and going into the hands to a largely and ever more criminal element in Mexico and other nations..

Why are we denying people food and running up the price of food due to feed stocks and grain availability when we could be converting vehicles to run on Hemp..!

Why are we not using Hemp for more and more products such as newspapers which is a process that pollutes our water..?

Bush wants to give Mexico these huge amounts of money to fight their drug problem, when if we legalized the cultivation and possession and distribution of Marijuana to adults with regulation and some taxation even we could deny these criminal gangs and elements from what is maybe 40% of their income and market..!

The stalks of the Marijuana can also be used to create a cellulose based fuel..

I saw the Mercedes station wagon that drove across American and a VW Van which ran on Hemp..the VW had I believe been driven down from Canada..

Also the now best most expensive but long lasting best sounding guitar speakers Tone Tubby are made of Hemp..!

The entire Marijuana laws must be re-considered it has largely been a hold over of Richard Nixon's culture war from the late 60's..!

Nixon turned an entire generation of America's who were more honest decent and intelligent than him into a generation of criminals and used this to deny them access to the political process for decades..so as to corrupt our system with these criminal fascist thieving war monger insane Republicans who Clinton and Obama want to get in bed with and make nice with rather than driving them out of our government and save our nation from the ruin we are heading head long for a full speed ahead..!

Ahead get it..?

Of course Barney Frank has submitted a bill to finally legalize possession of small amounts of Marijuana which was co sponsored by my Congressman who is almost always right of every issue Maurice Hinchey..among others..

Instead of Ethanol grow Marijuana and use it for cellulose fuel and for the hemp itself..!

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Broken record
Posted by: HughScott on May 1, 2008 8:44 AM   
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Of the 13 Steven Wishnia articles published by Alternet, seven were about drugs.

Me thinks he's been smoking too much Mary Jane. Otherwise, his articles would address something that wasn't old news.

Enough already!

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» This issue will be "old" Posted by: meetmeineleusis
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Americans are not rational
Posted by: vangogh69 on May 1, 2008 9:22 AM   
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Which is the only reason why cannibis remains illegal. If nothing else (referring to drug scheduling), to compare cannibis to heroin is a serious leap of logic (and science). Tobacco has been shown to be a carcinogen and alcohol, well, you can see how well that's working out for society. The only reason why some drugs are legal and others are not is not because drug A is good and drug B is bad; the reason is due to moral foolishness and political expediency.

Just as we do today with prohibition, the day will come when we look back in disbelief at the prohibition on marijuana.

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» RE: Americans are SCARED! Posted by: jimidee
lots of angry people
Posted by: cbishopp on May 1, 2008 9:39 AM   
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Though I find this article to be lacking in many of the solid points needed for a real argument, I think many people focus on the side issue of what it is to be "stoned" or the fear that marijuana causes them as they are non-users and feel that marijuana is on par with alcohol or heroin or meth or many other highly addictive man-made substances that dominate the market.
The issue to consider is the much more inclusive concept of how much power the government has in your personal lives.
Should this be a state issue? Should someone who has cancer who finds relief from headache and loss of appetite by smoking pot be placed in the same catagory with a felon?
The war against drugs is just another wonderful way to make money on both sides.
What happens to the all money and drugs confiscated from drug busts?

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» RE: lots of angry people Posted by: Lauren
how did it happen?
Posted by: grmartin on May 1, 2008 10:12 AM   
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Prohibition is a symptom of a sick society. The elite are allowed to commit crimes of stunning collosal global extent while ordinary citizens are denied a toke. As my friend likes to say: "Maybe we've already died and this is hell".

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1964
Posted by: chiefwanadubie on May 1, 2008 10:33 AM   
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1964, not only gave us a new president, to replace democracy!!! It brought with it, the "BRITISH INVASION",an attack on our morals, and a dividing force against families, and institutions alike!!! 1964 gave us the WAR against poverty(today there are as many Americans living below poverty, as they are people working for the government)1964 brought us fluoride in our drinking water(without a vote of the people)and the AMERICAN dental association!!! 1964 brought about the end of the silver standard, in our money (without a vote of the people)1964, brought about the birth of the N.F.L. and the construction, of the biggest circuit of coliseums, since ancient Rome(without a vote of the people)1964 brought about the surgeon general, the American cancer society, and the American heart association!!! whom declared war against tobacco/smoking(all without a vote of the people)Who would hate the tobacco industry more than England, because it funded the revolution!!! 1964 brought an end of Catholic, family oriented leadership in America!!! The church of England, quickly, but not quietly, replaced it, with capitalism, but they spell pray, prey, and were it!!! AMERICA 1776-1964

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Tool of control.
Posted by: frankly1 on May 1, 2008 10:37 AM   
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Although this article does touch on some valid points, particularly on justification for legalization, it fails to identify the main purpose of making and keeping marajuana a criminal substance. Firstly, the government of the United States has absolutly no interest in the health or welfare of the Ameican citizen, in fact it would prefer you to die young so you don't hang around and draw on the benifis you have worked to accumulate, so any health issue is mute. Secondly, keeping "kids" off drugs is a complete scam! Children are put through a simple basic training to become obedient workers and consumers, fed on a almost poisonous diet of processed foods and indoctrinated on lies, propaganda and violence as entertainment. How is this caring for them ?
The reason marajuana is illegal is simple politcal control. Hoover told Nixon that if he wanted to control and pesecute his political enemies (liberals) illegal drugs would be an excellent method as a good proportion used or favored legalization of recreational drugs. Race was one of the original "hot Buttons" used to pass anti-drug laws in the early part of the 20th century to remove mexican immigrants during the depression and to suppress black Americans. In other words an easy way to arrest and incarcerate those who politically oppose you.
Today millions of Americans are or have been imprisoned stripprd of thier rights and have had thier lives ruined.
The canabis plant has enormous potential as an agricultual product (hemp oil, fiber etc.) as well as its health benifits. Unfortunatly I can see no real possibilty (short of the colapse of the corpoate industial complex) that this state of affairs will change any time soon.

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» RE: Tool of control. Posted by: chiefwanadubie
Ya
Posted by: Love Me, I'm a Liberal on May 1, 2008 10:50 AM   
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I agree wit da op.

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Our owners will never permit . . . .
Posted by: billwald on May 1, 2008 10:52 AM   
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Our owners will never permit us to grow anything in our living rooms that will make us happy.

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Up in smoke
Posted by: Binnsb4tyrs on May 1, 2008 11:04 AM   
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Pretty strange no article? Legally, is already happening in Santa Barbara, California.

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» RE: Up in smoke Posted by: chiefwanadubie
Speaking up means you're one
Posted by: PaulK on May 1, 2008 11:19 AM   
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I found this out as a teen. I was the straightest teen that ever went to high school. One day I read a fairly intelligent decriminalization article. I opened my mouth and got blasted by my preacher.

I later left that church.

Pot will never be decriminalized because anyone who advocates saving the government's money will certainly lose their own job. It's a racket like the emperor's new clothes.

Perhaps we need a group called Taxpayers Anonymous.

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LOOK OVER THERE
Posted by: chiefwanadubie on May 1, 2008 11:26 AM   
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While the moral majority, was conducting it's annual SALEM witch hunt, I got curious, wondering why the government would declare war on a plant??? My family has suffered from allergies, poison oak, ivy, and sumac, rag weed, golden rod, dogwood...since I can remember!!! It always comes at a high price(medical bills, lost productivity...)Has the government, come to the rescue, to protect us from nature??? NO, NOT AT ALL, there is no war against, these obnoxious plants, the elite makes a fortune off of peoples suffering!!! I'm not allergic to hemp, so why the war against it??? When I was in 10th grade, I took a history class, about American presidents! I learned that George Washington's first law was that the hemp plant, should be legal forever, because it's the most valuable/useful plant on earth!!! Not only would there be no Europeans/ Africans in the new world without the hemp plant, because canvass use to mean woven hemp(now it means molded plastic)and the sails on the great ships that discovered the new world, were made of hemp, as were there clothes, rope...old glory was made of hemp, as were the first two drafts of the constitution!!! Washington, and Jefferson, were both hemp farmers!!! LOOK at those Hippies smoking that plant, we need to exterminate, them and their obnoxious weed!!! because they do "not-see" that in so doing it they gave our nation to the BEAST(state/church/corporations!!! Will history state that bigotry not only brought down the greatest nation on earth, but also destroyed the Earth!!!

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The problem with blackmarket cannabis is...
Posted by: aonghus36 on May 1, 2008 11:40 AM   
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The risk of contamination, which has happened in, at least, Europe and can, and probably has happened here. First there was pot containing microscopic glass beads, and now it is lead. Lead, which can cause brain damage. How's that for artificially creating "burnt out stoners"?
Cannabis needs to be legalized and taken off the blackmarket. Here are some links to show where I got my info, http://www.cannabisireland.net/ and http://content.nejm.org/cgi/reprint/358/15/1641.pdf , also, http://ukcia.org/wordpress/?p=6

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not innocent, not criminal
Posted by: richholland on May 1, 2008 11:39 AM   
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in the Netherlands weed and hasisch are sold in licensed shops.
However the Dutch Nederwiet has a strength of 3 times the average foreign qualities.
Some politicians here investigate wether the strongh quality probably is a hard drug.

I am an advocate of allowing marihuana legally, but do not deny the following.

Strong blowing for hours CAN be a trigger mechanisme for some schizofrenic people.
In mean time this is proven.
The medical expression is "cannabis psychose"
Particui;y of you combine strong drinking of alcohol.
That is the reason in the so called coffeeshop alcohol and weed are not allowed.

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Of all the reasons why
Posted by: willymack on May 1, 2008 12:24 PM   
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Pot won't be legal soon, if ever, #1, lack of organization is the most relevant. Imagine if you will a mass toke-out on the capital steps. Hundreds of thousands of stoners giggling and eating tons of crackers and chips. I'll bet that'd get SOMEBODY'S attention, don't you?

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Sign #2 is Reason #1
Posted by: scheherezade on May 1, 2008 12:34 PM   
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Sign #2 that marijuana may be legal soon (Increased medical acceptance) is reason #1 why it never will.

Where would pharmaceutical companies be if people could grow their own painkiller/depression treatment/happy pill/cure for the 'jimmy legs.'

Big Pharma will never allow lawmakers to legalize pot.

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Can I just say
Posted by: argyle on May 1, 2008 12:43 PM   
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that "snapping at phantoms rageball drunk" is a great line. I'm totally stealing it. What were we talking about?

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It's Ignorance
Posted by: ChairmanMetal on May 1, 2008 12:47 PM   
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We live in a society where politics are dominated by moronic symbolism, where the media ignore government's actual effect on working-class people in favor of pontificating endlessly about the importance of Hillary Clinton knocking back a shot of blended whiskey vs. Obama's abysmal bowling score, where they cast a spoiled senator's son as a "man of the people" because he clears brush and isn't too bright.

We live in a society ruled by fear, where people are willing to accept having the Bill of Rights shredded in the name of fighting drugs or "terrorism."


Only a moronic population would be swayed by moronic symbols. And only the ignorant would live in fear inspired by the propaganda to which we are subject day and night.

But we are not all ignorant morons. Let's see what November brings.

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» RE: It's Ignorance Posted by: Lauren
one more reason...
Posted by: jeffreyDee on May 1, 2008 12:48 PM   
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...a great many people make LOTS of money from prohibition: The testing industry. Wakenhut etc. Police. DEA. Foreign governments. Beer makers. The list goes on.

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» The Culture of GREEEEEED! Posted by: Cathyc
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Mingo at Cannabis TV
Posted by: Mingo on May 1, 2008 1:00 PM   
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The main reason it will end is that this morally bankrupt nation will soon be fiscally bankrupt too, and won't be able to sustain ONE BILLION DOLLARS PER WEEK! spent on prohibition. Check out our post:
http://cannabistv.wordpress.com/2008/04/28/drug-war-funds-
Could we possibly spend our tax money wore wisely?

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Let them smoke pot
Posted by: Ayla87 on May 1, 2008 1:28 PM   
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If people want to spend thier free time getting stoned and staring at a wall all day, (or apparently, writing articles for alternet) be my guest. Just don't stand next to me. You smell disgusting.


...That goes for cigarette smokers too!

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» Ladies Posted by: Cathyc
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» RE: Let them smoke pot Posted by: Lauren
show me
Posted by: chiefwanadubie on May 1, 2008 2:18 PM   
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Show me in the constitution, that the government, has the right to declare war on it's own citizens??? In fact the war against drugs abolished the constitution altogether!!! we should never have to defend ourselves from our own government, they should be defending us,24/7!!! the government is crying victim!!! Nice try, they are already judge, jury and conviction-er, but now they want to cry victim as well, but then they will defend you also!!! I don't want no public pretender!!! that's all that the government has become--pretenders---highway BADGERY--reach out and rob somebody!!! SHOW ME JUSTICE/ ARREST THE GOVERNMENT!!!

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INNER CIRCUMCISION
Posted by: chiefwanadubie on May 1, 2008 2:53 PM   
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The Jews in Nazi Germany, were identified by the circumcision of their penises!!! The persecuted race in America are identified by our inner circumcision, of which issues forth from our penises!!! the 5th amendment, gave us the right against self incrimination, the war on drugs would not be possible, with the protection of the constitution!!! That makes the war on drugs, nothing less than TREASON!!!

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» RE: INNER CIRCUMCISION Posted by: Lauren
umm, i know about the rule
Posted by: kelethian on May 1, 2008 3:41 PM   
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Used to be pagan until i found it too fluffy bunny and white light for the harsh, grim reality of this world of evil and darkness.

Itll come back to them three times, i think, when i put 3 bullets through their skulls. Thats unfortunately the way things are, read your history. Humans are evil, base, vile creatures, who cannot love or forgive, only kill and oppress.

Only Pini's elves, perhaps, could live by the tenets of Wicca.

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» RE: umm, i know about the rule Posted by: aonghus36
Legalize it and I will advertise it
Posted by: 2dogarage on May 1, 2008 4:27 PM   
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Didn't read the article and didn't read the posts, someone may have already said what I'm about to say:

Marijuana is a gift from god/God/Goddess to my brothers and me.

The assumed authority to regulate a plant that grows freely in the ground and has proven itself to be a panacea for a variety of ills and complaints is a travesty and a pox on a society of humans who deserve the right to regulate how they will live their lives.

The criminalization of this natural "herb" (NOT "DRUG") is merely an organized effort to restrict individuals from deciding the course of their own lives...

I don't see anyone complaining about how a substantial proportion of the populace operates under the influence of caffeine while incessantly talking on cell phones...

The "powers that be" have decided that they are in control of our lives.

Just say "NO!"

This legislation has nothing whatsoever to do with the "good for all" and only to do with the powers that be and their extent of control over the lives of the "unwashed masses".

Get up. Stand up. Stand up for your rights.

To live life as you choose. As long as it doesn't interfere with anyone else's right to do the same.

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Personal Attacks ...
Posted by: harryf200 on May 1, 2008 5:27 PM   
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"AlterNet will not tolerate personal attacks on our writers or readers ..."

AlterNet, I wish you guys would live up to that promise.

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» 3rd laugh of the day Posted by: harryf200
say no to big pharma
Posted by: chiefwanadubie on May 1, 2008 6:20 PM   
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It is amazing that the masses say no to nature, but yes to the witches brews, of which all started with nature, then corrupted by man!!! it's a battle of plants: the man-u-factoring plants vs Gods plants!!! anyone against nature is against GOD!!! ACCORDING to the bible God gave us all the seed bearing herbs, it's man that is denying God!!!

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Marijuana, the bread of Christ
Posted by: chiefwanadubie on May 1, 2008 6:33 PM   
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Jesus said that ALL that partake in the sacraments of the last supper, would be hated and persecuted on account of him!!! The bread of Christ, was made from hemp, it was all that the poor had, wild hemp, washed down with alcohol, the blood of Christ!!! We are the chosen race, because we choose to be persecuted rather than forsake our creator, thank you Satan, for gathering us all together for harvest time!!!

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just say no
Posted by: chiefwanadubie on May 1, 2008 6:48 PM   
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just say no to bigotry,and comercialized pro-pagan-da!!! I believe that al-CIA-da, must be funding "D.A.R.E"., "AND THE PARTNERSHIP FOR A DRUG FREE AMERICA"and of course M.A.D.D., These hate groups are dividing our supposed UNITED STATES!!! TREASON is the act of declaring war on your own country, and that is what they are doing!!! ARREST THEM NOW, we have given our nation to the beast, but now we know who they are!!! take them out!!!

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Hemp - American History Revisited: The Plant With a Divided History
Posted by: maxpayne on May 1, 2008 7:37 PM   
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Deitch's hemp-centric tour of American history cultivates two aspects of the plant: the economic, in which hemp was used to produce rope, sails, paper and a multitude of other products, and the psychoactive, i.e., marijuana. Citing Carl Sagan, Deitch suggests that "civilization may well have started with the cultivation of Cannabis." And if he prudently casts hemp's role in the founding of civilization as speculative, he confidently attributes the colonization of America, not to Puritan religious disaffection but to the needs of Britain's "domestic hemp-based industry, the lifeblood of the economy, [that] separately needed a stable, reliable, and relatively cheap source of raw hemp." On the lighter side, Deitch opines that as the evidence of apple orchards planted by the legendary Johnny Appleseed are slight, "Chances are, it wasn't apple seeds Johnny was planting, but intoxicating Cannabis seeds." While hemp's role in history is Deitch's focal point, he offers a substantial discussion of the temperance movement and Prohibition, which, in a contrarian mode, he suggests, caused the Great Depression. Deitch's treatment of the economics of hemp is original, or at least imaginative. Less original is his argument that it is folly to prohibit the recreational and medical use of marijuana. His account features familiar villains: Harry Anslinger, the notorious Federal Bureau of Narcotics anti-marijuana zealot, and various other militants in the government's war on drugs, who Deitch says have distorted and misrepresented facts in imposing a fatally flawed marijuana policy. Deitch is an L.A.-based writer and activist for medical marijuana. His passion for his subject and the radical version of its history, despite its excesses and idiosyncrasies, is also entertaining.

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Total act of betrayal
Posted by: sicntired on May 1, 2008 9:25 PM   
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I am also a member of the Woodstock generation although I never got further than reading an ad in the Georgia Straight newspaper and thinking how insane it would be to just pack up and go.I didn't.We were so sure that as soon as the WW2 generation was gone we'd all be smoking pot in the movies and bars.Now some of the staunchest opponents of decriminalization are some of my pot smoking friends.It seems they think they were just lucky to have come through untouched but that no-one else should have the same chance.I guess they think they were super beings and everyone else are just losers that need their protection from themselves.I hope that sounded convoluted enough because that's how stupid this issue is.Hypocricy rules today and racism was the basis for all drug laws.Even today the majority of people jailed for drug offences are non whites.I am completely dumbfounded that this is still an issue in the 21st century.The parallels to alcohol prohibition are so many and obvious that it just makes no sense that this is allowed to kill and destroy peoples lives to this day.My generation betrayed the people and became everything they hated.There has to be a lesson in that some where.

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Reading_enlightens
Posted by: celeborn on May 2, 2008 2:31 AM   
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Watch and learn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z6nY3ySWrk
I've often wondered by Americans don't kick their hypocritical government in the ass, when there is reams of proof that the CIA is running the cocaine drug trade. How can they lock up citizens for mere pot use? Especially when it's costing millions of taxpayer dollars? Get wise America, don't get dumb and dumber! You need some good rat poison in Washington!

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Why pot remains illegal
Posted by: rdog on May 2, 2008 7:39 AM   
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1. Funding police budgets with cash and other assets that are seized and sold (houses, cars,
boats, etc.) as a result of marijuana convictions

2. Supplying inmates for the Prison Industrial Complex, an economy unto itself

3. Stopping people from growing and producing their own psychotropic drug, instead of making Big Pharma rich

As always, it's all about the money!

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» RE: Why pot remains illegal Posted by: davesilvan
» RE: Why pot remains illegal Posted by: Lauren
Good article, but author is wrong on at least 1 point
Posted by: davesilvan on May 2, 2008 8:59 AM   
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Considering there are anywhere from 25-75 million regular tokers (which I would say is 3 or more times per week) I wouldn't say they aren't organized. reasons they're not vocal about their support would include: they already have their 'go-to guy' and as long as they're getting their supply, what difference does it make to them if it's legal or not? Another would be fear of prosecution, stepping out and signing their name to a document urging decrim/legalization would no doubt scare some people, especially in today's fledgling police state.

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Failed Drug War a luxury
Posted by: drblack on May 2, 2008 12:45 PM   
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The War On Some Drugs is a failed policy but it is also a luxury that we no longer can afford.
All drugs should be freely and cheaply available.
This includes ALL drugs.

Violence, theft and corruption will drop off when this happens and drug abuse will become less destructive , while drug use will not increase .

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Legalization is closer than everyone thinks
Posted by: JackMcGuirk on May 2, 2008 1:08 PM   
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There is a revolution taking place in the field of ethics that is little understood even by those who are central to it and it is closely related to the revolution advocated by cannabis lovers. The four conflicting sides in the approaching revolution in ethics are represented by Atlas Shrugged, Animal Liberation, Kant's Groundwork on the Metaphysics of Morals, and the Bible. Atlas Shrugged has inspired today's libertarian political movement as well as the school of Objectivism which exists in isolation from academia. Animal Liberation has inspired the modern plant eating movement and it contains the best argumentation against the intensive confining of animals. Zealots for the cause it established rule academic ethics ignorant of and in denial of the significance of Ayn Rand's work. It just so happens that these two ethical points of view have the potential to be synthesized with one another so as to produce numerous individual courses of ethically motivated action highly productive for both of the two schools. If you familiarize yourself with the conflict I have summarized and you familiarize yourself with Marc Emery's life of activism, you will conclude that Marc represents just such a synthesis. What makes his situation more interesting is that his actions are consistent with a Kantian moral framework (Kant's ethics being the atternative to altruism according to those in academia). Having chosen a course in life that lead him to be judged perfect by all three doctrines when no one else acted similarly, the question can be asked: will he be identified as a threat by the other six billion earthlings inferior to him or will he be seen as a light shining towards a more virtuous era? I suspect that "both" is a likely answer and it is my sincere hope that those with the latter perception will be smart enough to protect him for their own sake. If he cannot be prosecuted for his marijuana related crimes he will be the first and, at that point, the last person to be condemned for the same offences will be just around the corner.

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British Research ...
Posted by: harryf200 on May 2, 2008 2:05 PM   
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"The Advisory Committee on the Misuse of Drugs appears to have concluded there has been no rise in the incidence of severe mental illness linked to the rise in cannabis use.

But mental health campaigners do have concerns.

The charity Rethink says a review of research published in The Lancet last year found frequent cannabis use increased the risk of psychotic illnesses like schizophrenia by 40%.

Studies have also suggested that using the drug can trigger psychotic symptoms such as hallucinations and feeling out of touch with surroundings in some people.

However it is unclear whether these symptoms are short-lived, or if they persist even when use of the drug is stopped.

Mental health charity Mind has reported psychiatrists have seen an increase in numbers of people being hospitalised with psychotic episodes linked to cannabis use since the drug was downgraded.

Many experts believe that use of the drug can worsen symptoms in someone who already has schizophrenia, or manic depression associated with psychotic symptoms.

There is also a body of evidence beginning to emerge that long-term use of cannabis in early teenage years puts an individual most at risk.

But sceptics say those who are affected have already demonstrated a predisposition to problems.

A British Medical Journal study in 2004 concluded that while cannabis use moderately increased the risk of psychotic symptoms in young people, it had a much stronger effect in those who had already had mental health-related problems.

In November 2005, Glasgow and Edinburgh University researchers found damage to a certain brain gene was the key to determining risk of developing serious mental health problems.

The finding prompted experts to say mental health problems were "too complex" to be put down to one factor, either environmental or genetic....

....There is some suggestion that modern formulations are stronger. In the 1960s the average cannabis "joint" contained about 10mg of THC.

Hybrid varieties of cannabis - including a type known as skunk - are known to contain higher than usual levels of THC.

These are produced by intensive indoor cultivation are, on average, around twice as potent as the herbal cannabis and cannabis resin available 20 or more years ago.

Researchers are therefore concerned that much of the research into the effect of the drug may be out of date. "

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4583648.stm

I make no comment. Just thought SOME of you might find it interesting, although I know already many of you won't because youjust like to attack "the messenger" esp when you don't like the message.

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» RE: British Research ... Posted by: Cooltruth
Prohibition funds Terrorism... bypasses elected officals to fund Black-ops...
Posted by: Bearzerker on May 2, 2008 5:12 PM   
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...and is the main contributing factor in Capone style gangster-ism throughout the world today!...

it must end!
we consumers are directly funding through our weaknesses and addictions
the weapons that are directly killing our sons and daughters overseas!
Current policies are not, and never have worked!
changes are URGENTLY needed

Drugs for guns: how the Afghan heroin trade is fueling the Taliban insurgency

Heroin trafficking is small potatoes compared to the hemp trade but worldwide, enough capital can be raised to logistically support a guerrilla movement inside a fund-a-mental-ist back-country easily!
Now, imagine the capitol thats being raised everyday through Black Market Hemp sales!... and imagine the capital thats being misdirected on this alone!

People must organize to end these obscene laws,
which federally legislates laws, "OVER" your States Rights!
To enforce "IT's"nationalistic policies/ideologies over "YOUR" body and soul!

Make a simple commitment!

and post this note everywhere to remind us all!...

..."If those of us who currently smoke would take the pledge that we will never again vote for any candidate for public office who supports treating us like criminals, we could end prohibition within a couple of election cycles," says Stroup...

and organize politically!
and always remember...
"KEEP YOUR LAWS OF MY BODY"
as "ONE MANS VISION OF HEAVEN CAN BE MY VISION OF HELL"

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Wow Is everyone stoned? lol
Posted by: SouthernWolf on May 2, 2008 8:05 PM   
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End the fascist war on drugs and liberty. And don't get busted while you enjoy your freedom.

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NO WHERE
Posted by: chiefwanadubie on May 2, 2008 10:58 PM   
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No where in the constitution does it state:that we are only free to do what is healthy for us; no where in the constitution does it state; that we are only as free as the surgeon general says that we are: no where in the constitution does it state;that we are only free, until we get addicted; no where in the constitution does it state;that we are only free until some statistic, says otherwise; no where in the constitution does it state;that we are only as free as the insurance companies say that we can be; no where in the constitution does it state that the majority can declare war on the minority;no where in the constitution does it state; that they can take away your citizenship for a prior act of servitude;no where in the constitution does it state; that the government can make an industry, out of denying, and stealing your industry...!!! our government is no where within the constitution, except where it states; that we have the right to protect ourselves from foreign and domestic enemies!!!

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Marijuana is already legal
Posted by: CliffSchaffer on May 3, 2008 7:28 AM   
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Steve, and anyone else interested, needs to come to California and stay long enough to get a drivers license. Marijuana is already de facto legal in California.

California passed Prop. 215 in 1996 which legalized medical marijuana. The only requirement is that you go to the doctor to get a recommendation. That costs about $100 and no adult gets turned down. Literally any adult who asks is granted a recommendation. By now, the number of people with recommendations is probably close to a million.

Furthermore, there are now literally hundreds of stores openly selling marijuana to these people. They have regular storefronts in strip malls and other similar places. They advertise marijuana specials in the newspaper. Some have neon signs in the window. They may have dozens of varieties of marijuana onhand, as well as candies, brownies, and edibles of all descriptions. Some of them have done $50 million in business from a single location in a single year.

The Feds have basically given up. The US Attorney for Northern California has said that trying to stop it is "shoveling sand against the tide" and that they have better things to do. The DEA still raids places occasionally, but it is mainly smash and grab to steal everything they can, with no follow-up prosecution. They know that just the existing stores are far beyond their meager resources to shut down. That is not to count the delivery services.

And the bigger news is that everyone in California is completely OK with it. There are no marches in the street to get it repealed. The secret here is that the people don't really support marijuana prohibition. They support the status quo -- as long as the status quo is not bothering them. Marijuana prohibition wasn't bothering them, so why not leave it in place? Marijuana legalization isn't bothering them, so there is no move to get it repealed.

The Feds have lost the war on medical marijuana in California. That means they have lost the war on marijuana in California. If they have lost the war on marijuana in California, then ultimately they have lost it nationwide.

For one thing, the California experience proves that the sky doesn't fall when marijuana is legalized. For another, there is the economics. California now stands poised to replace Mexico as the major supplier of marijuana to the rest of the country. That will not go unnoticed. People, and particularly governments, are going to realize that they could cut costs and boost tax revenue if they would simply recognize the obvious.

At this point, all it will take is gravity, and I don't think it is going to take that long, either.

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Medical Marijuana and North Carolina Marijuana Law
Posted by: Irienow on May 3, 2008 12:00 PM   
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Medical Marijuana and North Carolina Marijuana Law
Posted by: Irienow on May 3, 2008 12:02 PM   
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Your message is based on lies...
Posted by: kelethian on May 3, 2008 12:18 PM   
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thats why i will attack it.

If anything, the grass was better back then! Those lies, straight from the US Gov't ONDCP and DEA, are based on samples that have decayed significantly.

As for the supposed link between cannabis and psychosis, if you believe that.. why, im sure you would think that Reefer Madness is a factual documentary.

Im sure there is one link though, and you can completely avoid it by drinking that invention we call soda. Its called...cottonmouth.

Let me explain. Has anyone around here heard of polydipsomania? Its really the primary cause of most cases of schizophrenia, along with a profound lack of sodium.

Im sure if you connect the dots, you will find that many of the people who do experience these problems (supposedly from cannabis) drank tons of water and ate vegan diets, avoiding anything as "unhealthy" as soda.

Im saying this because it nearly happened to ME, and i nearly DIED. (cardiac arrest) Be forewarned and toke safe.

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Myopic defeatism
Posted by: aahpat on May 4, 2008 10:54 AM   
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Like most pot reform writing this article fails to see the potential of pot policy reform regarding the non-using policy decision making community in America. Americans who support continued pot prohibition do so because they feel, right or wrong, that continued prohibition protects them from crime. Our demonstrating, to policy and news makers, the fallacy of the contention that the prohibition reduces crime, will end the support for the prohibition quickly.

Pot, and other legalization proponents, need to show policy makers and their supporters that drug law reform is good for crime reduction. H.B. 5843 is a good first step in allowing crime plagued cities to re-task officers from pot enforcement to real and violent crime prevention. See: Real solutions for Philadelphia's prison overcrowding for a way to approach politicians and the media. I have written to Philadelphia City Council advocating that they support H.B. 5843 as a means of freeing up police and prison resources for serious crime.

Laws are made for the self-interests of the people who support the particular laws. Drug policy reformers need to work harder to show how it is NOT in the best public safety and national security interest of Americans to continue the prohibition.

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Medical Marijuana is Legal in California but...
Posted by: macdon1 on May 5, 2008 7:07 PM   
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The county I live in persecutes patients and states that federal law over rules state law and so they don't have to enforce the state law. One of our DA's favorite moves is to seize the legal by state law plants of a legal patient then turn them over to the feds for prosecution where they are charged with cultivation of an illegal drug and spend a long stretch in a Federal prison. Armed and dangerous gangsters are allowed to steal from patients and dispensaries without being prosecuted. Patients have been seriously wounded and nearly died but the gangsters are never pursued. If the patients defend themselves they are prosecuted as harshly as possible, receiving penalties heavier than habitual drug dealers, usually in state prison. This is the "law" in Sacramento CA

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rn
Posted by: mnatra on May 5, 2008 8:09 PM   
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this whole subject about pot is so absurd, who cares if a dope head wants to numb out from the suffering of this culture, grow up

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I advocat symbiosis with the Canibis plant, graft one to your pate now!
Posted by: Nightstallion on May 12, 2008 8:03 PM   
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It will be a short high relationship have fun.

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