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Calling B.S. on the Idea of 'Marijuana Addiction'

By Paul Armentano, AlterNet. Posted March 22, 2008.


It's laughable that the Feds are pushing the concept of pot addiction when science shows that withdrawal symptoms from caffeine are far worse.
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The U.S. government believes that America is going to pot -- literally.

Earlier this month, the U.S. National Institute on Drug Abuse announced plans to spend $4 million to establish the nation's first-ever "Center on Cannabis Addiction," which will be based in La Jolla, Calif. The goal of the center, according to NIDA's press release, is to "develop novel approaches to the prevention, diagnosis and treatment of marijuana addiction."

Not familiar with the notion of "marijuana addiction"? You're not alone. In fact, aside from the handful of researchers who have discovered that there are gobs of federal grant money to be had hunting for the government's latest pot boogeyman, there's little consensus that such a syndrome is clinically relevant -- if it even exists at all.

But don't try telling that to the mainstream press -- which recently published headlines worldwide alleging, "Marijuana withdrawal rivals that of nicotine." The alleged "study" behind the headlines involved all of 12 participants, each of whom were longtime users of pot and tobacco, and assessed the self-reported moods of folks after they were randomly chosen to abstain from both substances. Big surprise: they weren't happy.

And don't try telling Big Pharma -- which hopes to cash in on the much-hyped "pot and addiction" craze by touting psychoactive prescription drugs like Lithium to help hardcore smokers kick the marijuana habit.

And certainly don't try telling the drug "treatment" industry, whose spokespeople are quick to warn that marijuana "treatment" admissions have risen dramatically in recent years, but neglect to explain that this increase is due entirely to the advent of drug courts sentencing minor pot offenders to rehab in lieu of jail. According to state and national statistics, up to 70 percent of all individuals in drug treatment for marijuana are placed there by the criminal justice system. Of those in treatment, some 36 percent had not even used marijuana in the 30 days prior to their admission. These are the "addicts"?

Indeed, the concept of pot addiction is big business -- even if the evidence in support of the pseudosyndrome is flimsy at best.

And what does the science say? Well, according to the nonpartisan National Academy of Sciences Institute of Medicine -- which published a multiyear, million-dollar federal study assessing marijuana and health in 1999 -- "millions of Americans have tried marijuana, but most are not regular users [and] few marijuana users become dependent on it." The investigator added, "[A]though [some] marijuana users develop dependence, they appear to be less likely to do so than users of other drugs (including alcohol and nicotine), and marijuana dependence appears to be less severe than dependence on other drugs."

Just how less likely? According to the Institute of Medicine's 267-page report, fewer than 10 percent of those who try cannabis ever meet the clinical criteria for a diagnosis of "drug dependence" (based on DSM-III-R criteria). By contrast, the IOM reported that 32 percent of tobacco users, 23 percent of heroin users, 17 percent of cocaine users and 15 percent of alcohol users meet the criteria for "drug dependence."

In short, it's the legal drugs that have Americans hooked -- not pot.

But what about the claims that ceasing marijuana smoking can trigger withdrawal symptoms similar to those associated with quitting tobacco? Once again, it's a matter of degree. According to the Institute of Medicine, pot's withdrawal symptoms, when identified, are "mild and subtle" compared with the profound physical syndromes associated with ceasing chronic alcohol use -- which can be fatal -- or those abstinence symptoms associated with daily tobacco use, which are typically severe enough to persuade individuals to reinitiate their drug-taking behavior.

The IOM report further explained, "[U]nder normal cannabis use, the long half-life and slow elimination from the body of THC prevent[s] substantial abstinence symptoms" from occurring. As a result, cannabis' withdrawal symptoms are typically limited to feelings of mild anxiety, irritability, agitation and insomnia.

Most importantly, unlike the withdrawal symptoms associated with the cessation of most other intoxicants, pot's mild after-effects do not appear to be either severe or long-lasting enough to perpetuate marijuana use in individuals who have decided to quit. This is why most marijuana smokers report voluntarily ceasing their cannabis use by age 30 with little physical or psychological difficulty. By comparison, many cigarette smokers who pick up the habit early in life continue to smoke for the rest of their lives, despite making numerous efforts to quit.

So let's review.

Marijuana is widely accepted by the National Academy of Sciences, the Canadian Senate Special Committee on Illegal Drugs, the British Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs and others to lack the severe physical and psychological dependence liability associated with most other intoxicants, including alcohol and tobacco. Further, pot lacks the profound abstinence symptoms associated with most legal intoxicants, including caffeine.

That's not to say that some marijuana smokers don't find quitting difficult. Naturally, a handful of folks do, though this subpopulation is hardly large enough to warrant pot's legal classification (along with heroin) as an illicit substance with a "high potential for abuse." Nor does this fact justify the continued arrest of more than 800,000 Americans annually for pot violations any more than such concerns would warrant the criminalization of booze or nicotine.

Now if I can only get NIDA to fork me over that $4 million check.

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Paul Armentano is deputy director of NORML and the NORML Foundation.

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Terrorist
Posted by: HeKnew on Mar 22, 2008 12:07 AM   
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Legalize Marijuana


Direct Democracy

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» RE: Terrorist Posted by: Opinionator
A person can get hooked on weed
Posted by: Adler Berriman Seal on Mar 22, 2008 12:13 AM   
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Call it what you will, a person can get hooked on weed.

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» I call it "habituated." Posted by: Rune
» RE: A person can get hooked on weed Posted by: left_libertarian
» RE: A person can get hooked on sex Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN
» you speak of a small group Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
» I, for one, agree ... Posted by: vegngrl
» RE: A person can get hooked on weed Posted by: carbon-based
» RE: an addendum Posted by: donl51
call it what you will
Posted by: argyle on Mar 22, 2008 12:39 AM   
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a person can get hooked on anything.

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» i was hooked on phonics Posted by: KaptainSpiffy
Politicizing Medicine
Posted by: drjasonmd on Mar 22, 2008 1:27 AM   
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THC is not an addictive substance, at least not by any medical definition. Being addicted to THC is like saying you're addicted to chocolate. Just because you really like something, and have regular access to it, does not mean you're addicted. Addiction has a definition, and people would be well served by LOOKING IT UP.

This legitimization of pseudoscience-to-medicine really stems from the DSM, the diagnostic manual that charlatans . . . err, mental health professionals use to "diagnose" mental diseases. It is compiled by a panel of shrinks, many of them BigPharma stakeholders, who periodically VOTE on what to include. Only theories are offered as the cause of diseases, and these theories are never proven in the laboratory. Despite the fact that psychiatry is the only branch of medicine that never identifies the etiology of the diseases that it treats every day, we are told to trust them to pump up people's brains with mind altering substances to "cure" them of the "diseases" that they voted on (are they still trying to cure homosexuals?).

Many good, sound, peer-reviewed studies have failed to conclude that marijuana is addictive, so now the government and BigPharma are doing an end-around on the scientific method and taking their message directly to the public. There is not a single, large, peer-reviewed study in the history of medical science that has come to the conclusion that marijuana is addictive, so now Uncle Sam is going to fund the studies directly with the implicit understanding that any conclusion that goes contrary to the "war on drugs" dogma will end funding.

I wonder what the long term health effects are of locking millions of otherwise innocent Americans in cages with hardened criminals, taking away their right to vote, destroying their careers, their families. That is something that can actually be measured, but no one is measuring it. I wonder why.

The war on drugs was an invasion predicated on lies, fear mongering, and doctored intelligence (by non-doctors). Despite failing to show any progress, despite ample time and obscene expenditures in lives and treasure, it continues unabated. Sound familiar?

U.S. out of C.N.S!

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» Terminology Posted by: RON_KING
» RE: Terminology Posted by: drjasonmd
» RE: Politicizing Medicine Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: Politicizing Medicine Posted by: drjasonmd
» RE: Politicizing Medicine Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: Politicizing Medicine Posted by: drjasonmd
» Now, I don't agree Posted by: vegngrl
This IS the twenty-first Century, right?
Posted by: Tom Degan on Mar 22, 2008 2:49 AM   
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How many people have we known in our lives who have died from too much booze or two many cigarettes. How many people have you known personally in your lifetime who have died as a result of too much pot? Not only have I never known anyone to die in that matter, I am not aware of it happening in all recorded human history!

The fact that we are still having this debate in 2008 is amazing to me. Just incredible.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
"The Rant" by Tom Degan

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Smokin' and Tokin'
Posted by: farmertx on Mar 22, 2008 4:09 AM   
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As one who has done both for a number of years, I can honestly say that I can forgo Marijuana much easier than I can Tobacco.
Shrubs booming Economy has reduced my ability to obtain decent smoke, which is no problem. I miss it, sure. But I'm not out hunting it or considering robbery or theft as a way to fund it.
That some would try and get on the Government wagon to "treat" this problem (that doesn't exist)
is no surprise. That is the nature of the Greedy. A class that has grown beyond belief. Now there is a behavior that needs treating. But it would be embarrassing for all the CEO's and politician's to sign up for rehab. So they create a problem where one doesn't exist and take advantage of the widely discredited Killer Weed myth of Hurst and Anslinger.

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Other issues
Posted by: carbon-based on Mar 22, 2008 4:46 AM   
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I just heard the other day of a study that recently came out saying pot smokers have 5 times the chance of lung disease.

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Long-term marijuana smoking significantly impairs lung function, according to a study published this month, which also found that smoking one cannabis joint has the adverse effects of up to five tobacco cigarettes.

"Habitual use of cannabis may cause asthma and chronic bronchitis," Dr. Richard Beasley from Medical Research Institute of New Zealand, Wellington, told Reuters Health. "The current initiatives to reduce tobacco smoking should also include attempts to reduce cannabis smoking."

Withdrawal if any is just a side issue!

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» Nonsense. Posted by: thoughtcriminal
» RE: Nonsense. Posted by: carbon-based
» RE: Nonsense. Posted by: drjasonmd
» RE: Nonsense. Posted by: ConnecttheDots
» RE: Nonsense. Posted by: Timba
» RE: Nonsense. Posted by: lively56
» RE: Other issues Posted by: left_libertarian
» RE: Other issues Posted by: carbon-based
» simple solution, ban smoke! Posted by: bornxeyed
» here, here! Posted by: Tombo
» Same B.S., different day... Posted by: VickyinSD
» RE: Same B.S., different day... Posted by: carbon-based
» RE: Same B.S., different day... Posted by: VickyinSD
» RE: Same B.S., different day... Posted by: carbon-based
» RE: Other issues Posted by: parmentano
» Go for it Paul!!! Posted by: VickyinSD
» RE: Other issues Posted by: skydog
It's about
Posted by: justicenow on Mar 22, 2008 5:33 AM   
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It's about the person not the pot. If a person has the disease of addiction then they could potentially be addicted to butter beans. My ex has the trifecta of addictions-alcohol, pot and cigs. He hasn't been able to stop.I believe that it's the disease of addiction--- the substance itself could be anything.

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» RE: It's about Posted by: ZenQuixote
» It's really about Posted by: bornxeyed
People quit smoking cannabis all the time.
Posted by: colinmeister on Mar 22, 2008 5:55 AM   
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The evidence for this? Most pot smokers have jobs. To get a job in the USA these days one usually has to undergo a drug test. Failing a drug test results in not getting the job, so anyone who smokes pot will give it up for a while - at least until they have found another job. Since pot is detectable in a drug test for a month or more after quitting smoking in a habitual smoker, it is clear that pot is not addictive in the same way as nicotine, alcohol, or opiates. People just like to get high.

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Marijuana dependence is a real entity
Posted by: vitualis on Mar 22, 2008 6:31 AM   
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The term is perhaps unfortunately but there are clearly people who are clearly dependent on marijuana. The belief that this is not the case is just as erroneous as the belief that marijuana is addictive in the usual physiological sense of the word.

I have met many people who will use marijuana to the degree that it impairs their social functioning; unable to maintain work or study, or affecting their relationships. Most realise that marijuana is a problem for them but that insight rarely leads to a change in behaviour. There are usually underlying psychological issues as well but in most cases, the marijuana is definitely not helping. Most psychotropic agents, whether they are addictive or not, can lead to the same issues, e.g., opiates, alcohol, tranquilers or even sniffing solvents.

Regards.

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» hypocrisy is a real entity Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: Marijuana dependence is a real entity Posted by: left_libertarian
addiction is a state of mind,
Posted by: dsmidiman on Mar 22, 2008 6:34 AM   
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Addiction is a state of mind and the object of addiction can be literally anything!!! Food, drugs, achohol, coffee, sex, work you name it. For every one person that is "addicted" to any one thing there are thousands who have no issues using/doing that same thing. It's that simple!!! As far as our government and it's bought and paid for media goes like always it's all about making money. A whole lot of people use pot so there is a whole lot of money to made fighting, incarcerating, rehabilitating etc. people who use pot. That's it in a nutshell....

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Issue of semantics
Posted by: givitaway on Mar 22, 2008 6:44 AM   
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Look, There is a difference between physical addiction and addiction. No, you don't get physical withdrawal from weed. Yes, you can get addicted to weed. You can get addicted to food (look down), shopping, video games, tv, etc.

Let's not pretend there is nothing wrong with smoking Ganj just because it isn't as severe as heroin. Can a lot of people smoke this stuff and not have it affect their life? Sure. Should we end the "war on drugs"? Hell yes, but don't try to con people into thinking there are no consequences for habitually smoking refer.

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» RE: Issue of semantics Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: Issue of semantics Posted by: Digby C. Ceasar
» RE: Issue of semantics Posted by: bornxeyed
follow the money
Posted by: liberalibrarian on Mar 22, 2008 7:03 AM   
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Marijuana addiction. Are we so powerless in our own country and in the world that we can't even stop a stupid study setting up a stupid clinic for subsidy/rich money? I sometimes get so discouraged.
Sure MJ has a few consequences--it is smoking something. Sure it has a mild high...so does caffeine or those couple of beers or glasses of wine we have after work. The US treats its adults like babies confined to a playpen.
It is not addictive. And it has real medical value. I certainly hope that this plant is legalized in my lifetime--I might carry some hope with me for the future.
I agree with Tom Degan--it's 2008 for Weed's Sake!
Namaste

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The Truth
Posted by: fearn on Mar 22, 2008 7:45 AM   
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The majority of Americans don't know the truth about their wars, their food, their country, their oil consumption, their government or their history.
Why would pot be any different???

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The best bio mass for bio fuel is Hemp
Posted by: Marlena on Mar 22, 2008 8:09 AM   
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now get of the idea that hemp=marijuana....since hemp needs no fertilizers, grows anywhere, can rejuvenate a field, especially in 3-4 field crop rotation AND for every gallon used to make "hempahol" you get 12 gallons of it. Oh, and it can also be used as to make fabric, roofing, etc, etc. But it inst controlled by agri business of pharma...or big oil..Im not saying conspiracy, but when was the last time you heard anyone say "Hello?? Hemp does NOT = Marijuana?? Ban MJ, and you can then ban all hemp. Used to be that hemp was grown through out the Shenandoah valley in VA, the miners had a second source of income,and didnt have to depend on the mines....bye bye hemp culture!! And you can fine the same thing in other industries...

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» Your mention of conspiracy Posted by: Anon12
This is Complete BS
Posted by: corazon on Mar 22, 2008 8:20 AM   
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Its just another tactic to suck more money out of tax payers.
I've been smoking a little weed off and on for 25 years. Its NO different than having a good brandy or 25 year old scotch during the holidays. Its not addictive, its actually good for you. The THC kills cancerous cells in your body.
There are people that have addictive disorders. They feel the need to be addicted to something, whether its a non addictive drug like marijuana or a really seriously addictive drug like crack or heroin.
Its another avenue of Big Pharma to get us addicted and killed on THEIR drugs. If its synthetic is OK, if its natural its bad... go figure.

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rich
Posted by: cocopuffed on Mar 22, 2008 9:08 AM   
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pray for 1/20/09.

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» RE: rich Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN
Oh, sweet jesus, where's the COFFEE!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: sausage on Mar 22, 2008 10:08 AM   
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forgot to buy coffee yesterday....no coffee this morning...pounding headache...go to store to buy coffee...make coffee...drink...drink...drink!!!

aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh.......*

*(This is all true. It is now 12:07 PM CDT and I've just finished my second cup of coffee.)

The idea of marijuana being addictive is ridiculous.

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Blunts are an addiction problem
Posted by: LauraK on Mar 22, 2008 10:47 AM   
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The kids are wrapping their "tree" in cigar wrappers. They are addicted, but not to the pot. It's the nicotine in the cigars they are inhaling. That has to be terrible for their lungs, too. Even cigar smokers don't inhale cigars.

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Not a terribly addictive drug, I agree
Posted by: Laplandi on Mar 22, 2008 10:59 AM   
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But THC has really profound effects on short term memory. May be you don't get addicted b/c you can't remember your experience, eh? Thinking of writing a grant to investigate this issue.

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Been smoking both...
Posted by: VickyinSD on Mar 22, 2008 11:08 AM   
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for 35 yrs., actually starting with MJ, then cigarettes a year later.

I know for a fact that I can give up the MJ with no problem at all because I've done it several times. As for the cigarettes, I don't even want to try, as the stress alone would make nuts, and I don't need any more stress than I already have.

I'm a legal patient in the State of California, but live in 1 of 2 counties currently suing the state over the legality of voter approved Prop. 215 which, not surprisingly, is also the same county where the new 'Center for Cannabis Addiction' will be built... probably with the support of the county administration.

Unfortunately, as a result of the county's ignorance and predjudice, MMJ is not widely available here, other than underground sources, so I've been going without for awhile now.

Am I bouncing off the walls or having any physical withdrawl symptoms? HELL NO!!! The only thing making me freak-out at this point is all the political bullshit that's happening in DC and elsewhere that is screwing up our economy, creating hate worldwide for the people of this country, and driving gas prices through the roof!

I don't know what's in the water in DC, but maybe they should add a little THC instead!

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» RE: Been smoking both... Posted by: Lauren
Addiction and habit are seperate and distinct.
Posted by: radiomorning on Mar 22, 2008 11:35 AM   
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I agree with Rune, I have just gotten out of a prolonged period of herb usage, and I was starting to worry myself that I was addicted, because my habit was so regular, and so I decided to quit for at least a while, and there has been no urges, cravings, or physiological reaction of any kind.

I have been very successful and found it easy to quit; I haven't smoked it in ages. That is definitely more than I can say for when I quit smoking tobacco. I still feel cravings and withdrawal symptoms for cigarettes, and make the occasional stumble.

While its easy to develop a habit, this is because herb is so good, not because it has adddictive properties.

I would definitely argue in favour of legalization.

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steph01
Posted by: steph01 on Mar 22, 2008 1:08 PM   
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Sure it's bull-shit. As a recovering alcoholic I can testify that LEGAL alcohol is a much worse and very dangerous drug. Also there's far too many people in prison for this sort of thing. Blame it on our"democratic" governnment.

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» RE: steph01 Posted by: donl51
Lest we forget Soviet dissidents
Posted by: johnchase34 on Mar 22, 2008 1:19 PM   
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Soviet dissidents were often given the choice of the Gulag or a psychiatric hospital to treat their mental illness ("They must be crazy, else why would they resist us").

Pot smokers are our dissidents.

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marijuana is not physically addictive
Posted by: vasumurti on Mar 22, 2008 3:08 PM   
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A pamphlet entitled "10 Things Every Parent, Teenager and Teacher Should Know About Marijuana" produced by the Family Council on Drug Awareness tells us marijuana is not physically addictive. The 1980 Costa Rican study, the 1975 Jamaican study and the 1972 Nixon Blue Ribbon Report all concluded that marijuana use does not lead to physical dependency. The FBI reports that 65 to 75 percent of criminal violence is alcohol-related. On the other hand, Federal Bureau of Narcotics director Harry Anslinger testified before Congress in 1948 that marijuana leads to nonviolence and pacifism.

In a message to Congress on August 2, 1977, President Jimmy Carter insisted: "Penalties against possession of a drug should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself."

Drug Enforcement Administration Law Judge Francis L. Young wrote on September 8, 1988: "Nearly all medicines have toxic, potentially lethal effects. But marijuana is not such a substance. There is no record in the extensive medical literature describing a proven, documented cannabis-induced fatality Marijuana, in its natural form, is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man."

Tobacco kills about 430,700 each year. Alcohol and alcohol-related diseases and injuries kill about 110,000 per year. Secondhand tobacco smoke kills about 50,000 every year. Aspirin and other anti-inflammatory drugs kill 7,600 each year. Cocaine kills about 500 yearly alone, and another 2,500 in combination with another drug. Heroin kills about 400 yearly alone, and another 2,500 in combination with another drug. Adverse reactions to prescription drugs total 32,000 per year, while marijuana kills no one.

A November 4, 2002 Time/CNN Poll found that eighty percent of those polled felt marijuana should be legal only for therapeutic purposes. 72 percent felt recreational users should get fines rather than jail time, which is essentially decriminalization. The complete legalization of marijuana was favored only by 34 percent of respondents, but this figure is twice as large as it was in 1986. Marijuana is safer than alcohol and tobacco, and our drug laws should reflect this reality.

According to a 2003 Zogby poll, two of every five Americans say “the government should treat marijuana the same way it treats alcohol: It should regulate it, control it, tax it, and only make it illegal for children.”

Richard Posner, Chicago's chief judge of the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals and one of the nation's leading legal scholars, says marijuana use should be legalized as a way of reducing crime. Posner, a Reagan administration appointee once described by American Lawyer magazine as “the most brilliant judge in the country,” explained his views on marijuana in The Times Literary Supplement, a British publication, and in later interview:

“It is nonsense that we should be devoting so many law enforcement resources to marijuana," says Posner. "I am skeptical that a society that is so tolerant of alcohol and cigarettes should come down so hard on marijuana use and send people to prison for life without parole.”

Posner is the highest-ranking judge to publicly favor the repeal of marijuana laws. Several judges of the federal district court, a level lower than the appeals court, have made similar calls, including Robert Sweet of New York and James Paine of Florida, both Carter Administration appointees.

Posner and other federal judges have complained that sentencing guidelines force them to give unjustly severe prison sentences to relatively minor drug offenders. Says Posner: “Prison terms in America have become appallingly long, especially for conduct that, arguably, should not be criminal at all. Only decriminalization is a sure route to a lower crime rate. It is sad that it appears so far below the horizon of political feasibility.”

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YES YOU CAN
Posted by: caru on Mar 22, 2008 5:27 PM   
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hey for all you tobacco freaks out there -- you can do it, just keep trying. train your brain to live without. you can do it. the worst is i hear like heroin in the first threes: three days, three weeks, three years ... also, nicoholics there is such a thing called: nicotine anonymous. check it out, yes you can!

as far as cannabis. people dont die of it. so who cares? we'd all do better to pour our millions into real problems like poverty and hunger.

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Smoke gets in my throat
Posted by: GPFrank on Mar 22, 2008 6:54 PM   
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Any kind of smoke is irritating, cough,cough, cough, as I still did every winter, 20 years after my father did stop smoking.

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Important Things to Consider
Posted by: jennish on Mar 22, 2008 10:00 PM   
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Anyone who has looked up addiction will realize that the term is not used in the same way by everyone and the criteria for an addiction can be different. Addiction is most broadly used to refer to habitual, obsessive, or compulsive submission to something. Most commonly to use of a substance.

Saying that the idea of marijuana addiction is "b.s." is a poor way to generalize a line of thought. And it suggests little knowledge of addiction. Food can be addictive. Caffeine, gambling, shopping, and many other things that are legal, and not harmful in moderation can be addictive and detrimental in larger doses. It is important to distinguish between use and abuse. While I do not think a person should be denied the right to recreationally use marijuana, I also believe it can be addictive. Anyone who says they know or have known "hundreds" of pot smokers and says that none of them have experienced harmful effects or some kind of "addiction" to the drug is either very young, uninformed, or just plain lying. I have smoked plenty of weed and known plenty of weed-smokers. I have seen burnouts and people who do not have problems at work of in their social life and still smoke. I have seen it used as recreation, I have seen people stop without problems and never miss it. I have seen it overused as self-medication. I have seen a lot of people accept less-than-adequate performance in life or mere mediocrity of experience because they are constantly stoned. I have been in rehab with a self-professed marijuana addict. In the six-month period of treatment, he showed a lot of positive changes in behavior and attitude. He also did not find it easy to quit.

Just like alcohol, caffeine, or food, there is a complex set of factors that determines a person's physiological and psychological dependence (or lack thereof) to marijuana.

Just because no one has died from it does not make it entirely harmless. Likewise, just because people have died from something doesn't mean it should be prohibited.

As someone who has experienced several types of "addiction," I think it is important to consider the differences in everyone's physiological reaction to the drug and psychological experiences with the drug. Everyone is not addicted to the things I became addicted to, but I have struggled with overcoming these addictions and to trivialize my experience would be extremely demeaning. While marijuana was not a "major" obstacle for me, it can be addictive and harmful for some people. While it is hard to comprehensively discuss this without defining addiction and discussing the differences between substance use, abuse, and dependence, I believe that many people underestimate the negative effects that marijuana can have on an individual.

My least developed line of thought here is that in some ways, marijuana can be harder to overcome if it becomes an addiction. A common phrase in treatment is that you don't quit until you've hit your "rock bottom." If marijuana is something that doesn't cause death, loss of homes, families and friends, it it doesn't quickly bring you to the kinds of lows that other addictions do. I believe it could continue causing problems in many lives and still be used addictively. As many people know, when quitting any habit the process is often much longer than what is needed for the substance to leave the body (alcohol or cigarettes) and for obvious physical withdrawl to stop. That's why many addicts use the term "recovering" instead of "recovered" - it is a continual process and one that is never completely passed. and it can take a long time.

Oh, and to somebody above, you CAN'T stop an addictive behavior unless you WANT to - so you are not really saying anything there.

While marijuana is certainly not an addiction or a problem for everyone, it is certainly not harmless or without addictive potential.

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» RE: concider this! Posted by: donl51
Pharmaceuticals
Posted by: sasquuatch55 on Mar 23, 2008 7:18 AM   
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I feel safer using weed,than manufactured legal Pharmaceuticals. There have been NO deaths from Marijuana, and you CAN'T overdose!

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» RE: Pharmaceuticals Posted by: Lauren
Marijuana is Addictive-Ask...Me
Posted by: meldada on Mar 23, 2008 8:24 AM   
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Marijuana can be addictive to some. So can television, gambling, the internet, porn,alcohol, shopping, food, sex. You name it. I happened to be addicted to marijuana. I know that it can be a beneficial drug and it should be legalized but there are many amongst us who have become addicted. I go to MA meetings each week and hear the stories and tell my own. Marijuana is one powerful drug and in the types of strains that are found today can immobilize you. One of the symptoms that are common amongst marijuana addicts is lethargy and living in a self defined reality,self centerdness.Longtime everday users suffer from short term memory loss and lung problems. Middle aged smokers are at higher risk of heart disease. For those who are habitual users, scoring it, dealing it, worrying about when the stash is low becomes a way of life. Many amongst us are doctors and lawyers and functional members of society. For me, I wasn't when I was using it. I am much more capable now that I am clean of the stuff. I've lost weight and am sharper in mind and spirit. I am proud to be a clean father and role model for the children around me. And indeed, there is definately a detox process when coming off the weed. Headaches, irritability and cravings mark the path to sobriety. The emotional dependency, the high, is also tough to kick.

For those who are not habitual users, I envy you for marijuana is a wonderful recreational and medicinal substance. I am an addict and take it a day at a time and am grateful to be clean and sober. My life has improved tremendously without the use of marijuana.

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it's impossible to be objective on this issue if you use pot
Posted by: kylefoley76 on Mar 23, 2008 8:54 AM   
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anyone who uses pot and tries to write an article saying it is not addictive obviously suffers from cognitive dissonance - a mental state wherein if someone has so much of their being dependant on the truth of the matter that they will minimize all info contrary and maximize all evidence in favor. it's just like a man who uses pornography trying to prove that pornography is ok to look at it, when obviously it is literature that glorifies adulterous, egotistical behavior. david foster wallace, essentially the 2nd or 3rd greatest american novelist of the latter half of the 20th century paints a pretty convincing portrait of marijuana addiction. as far as caffeine addiction - i used to drink 3 cups of coffee a day for 3 years and i quit coffee with one effort and only experienced withdrawal for two days.

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All you need to know about the issue of marijuana
Posted by: Anon12 on Mar 23, 2008 9:03 AM   
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Number dead in the US this year from a cannabis OD? 0

Number dead in the US, over the course of its entire history? 0

Number dead in the entire world, since the beginning of recorded medical history? 0

Amount of money spent a year to keep potheads in prison to be raped or beaten by the guards/inmates? $16 billion

Can't wait for the end of this country.

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» And if you'd read my post Posted by: Anon12
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HERE'S THE CANDIDATE WHO WILL SHUT DOWN THE CANNIBAS BAN !
Posted by: maxpayne on Mar 23, 2008 11:25 AM   
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RALPH NADER FOR PRESIDENT !!!!

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Four times as scary
Posted by: YogiBear on Mar 23, 2008 12:23 PM   
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For my local press I covered an event sponsored by a health education center about teens being able to hide drug use from their parents. It was pretty impressive and well researched -- until they got to the facts about marijuana section. I sat there listening to what were some outrageous claims, which neither the educator in the room, nor the parents attending seemed to question. I left that mess out of the final article, but was a little spooked by people's willful disregard for the truth.

The "fact" I recall the best came after a long discussion of the toxins that are in cigarettes. Cigarettes contain hundreds of cancer-causing toxins, including chemicals found in battery acid, formaldehyde, etc. etc., the educator said (all true, up to here) and then switched over to marijuana and said, because people inhale and hold the marijuana smoke for up to four times as long it's four times as dangerous as cigarettes!

What she didn't say, and I was appalled about, was that of all those cancer causing agents in cigarettes, the majority are added by the tobacco companies to enhance the flavor and act as preservatives of the tobacco!

So the educator, who seemed sincere, was either willfully propagandizing, or more likely, allowing herself to be duped by data she should know better than to repeat so she can feel like she's doing good.

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Another distraction
Posted by: corylus on Mar 23, 2008 8:04 PM   
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Once again, the federal government steps in to provide another distraction-du-jour to redirect the priorities of the people. Pot's addictive? What about consumerism? How about greed? What about blood lust? What about video games? What about Nancy's Pelosi's favorite douche? What about Dickless Cheney's penchant for torture?

I've smoked pot for 37 years, and have prospered in numerous business endeavors, gone back to school for multiple degrees, become a respected scientist and environmental advocate, paid my way the whole time, and never committed a crime against a person. I've drunk coffee for 34 years, and I can tell you, as much as I love my java, it's far more addictive than THC, and I can only count my blessings that nicotine never caught my fancy -- perhaps because I saw my mother and my sister and numerous friends struggle with the horrible effects of addiction to a corporate- and government-sanctioned drug.

The U. S. government never fails to come up with yet another attempt to indoctrinate, to mislead, to lie, to deceive, for the purposes of promoting its own drugs of choice, whether they be psychologically, physically, or spiritually depleting and addicting. The U. S. government is the sole definition of evil in my universe, and I hope to hell that someday I can see it in the throes of withdrawal. Marijuana is liberty in my life, and you can put that in your pipe and smoke it!

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» A Signal of Misunderstanding Posted by: fanny666
» RE: Another distraction Posted by: lively56
Why do the Feds really care about this issue?
Posted by: Dboy on Mar 24, 2008 2:59 AM   
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Why aren't they worried about addiction to violence? Because a violent culture creates kids who happily point weapons and kick in doors in whatever country is being subjugated this week.

Why aren't they worried about TV addiction? Because TV is the primary indoctrination tool. TV is how we learn that the US is the best country in the world and everyone else on the planet are created so that we might have primitive heathens to convert to christianity.

Why aren't they worried about alcoholism? Because consumption of alcohol is a primary social activity in this culture (Nascar, football, hot-wings, and beer).

Why cannabis? Because it can be grown, shared, and consumed without any corporate or government intrusion...can almost be a free hobby if you do it right. Why cannabis? Because pot-smokers tend to be free-thinkers. Why cannabis? Because the CIA is already in that business and they really HATE competition.

Dboy

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Of course marijuana can be addictive
Posted by: fanny666 on Mar 24, 2008 10:50 AM   
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If gambling can become addictive, then so can marijuana.

The frustrating thing about this article is that it makes valid, important points, but has a stupid and dishonest title.

I am a neurobiologist. Cannabinoid receptors, so named for their affinity for exogenous cannabinoid molecules like THC, are literally one of the most prevalent receptor types in the central nervous system. Chronic cannabis use does, of course, lead to changes in the functioning of these receptors (their "real" job is to regulate pre-synaptic glutamate). People do go through withdrawal when ceasing a long term habit. Nobody here has even met anyone who has tried to quit a wake-and-bake habit? Really? Of course- there are some who can smoke for 20 years, then quit without problem; and there are some who will get headaches, anxiety, sleep disruption if they try to break a 2 month habit.

That being said, the real debate we should be having is not that it cannot become addictive (not the easiest word to define) but that grown-ups should be able to choose what molecules they are allowed to have in their own bloodstream.

There are enough good things about marijuana- help with neuropathic pain is an exploding area of research right now- that "our side" shouldn't have to be dishonest.

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pot withdrawal
Posted by: SOWILO on Mar 24, 2008 4:20 PM   
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I smoked pot every day for 5 years. Then I stopped. There was absolutely, NO withdrawal. I tried to stop having my morning cup of coffee once (I only have black coffee in the morning) and my week was a living hell.

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Physical Vs. Psychological Addiction...
Posted by: Bearzerker on Mar 28, 2008 2:08 PM   
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...is the real point that we should be asking...

the difference to me is that;

In physical addictions, certain substances like Alcohol must be weened off the body
or death can occur...

In Psychological addictions, no adverse mental or physical symptoms are present when ceasing the use of the so-called addictives... [eg. Marijuana, Computer Gaming, Chocolate etc...]

So to me, this is all about perspectives and how we wish to focus this disagreement/argument.

Semantics can structure anyones position to serve their own political motivations
and this is clearly a prohibitionist tactic in keeping this unworkable law
off of social and personal choice issues....
and on challenging the existing constitutional points of this most untenable law...

Anti-Prohibitionists and Free choice proponents should be looking at the tactics of law and their interpretations and developing end runs around it in order to prove the argument scientifically once and for all...

currently a true debate on the facts is out of reach for voters to consume!

Free Marc Emery!

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Ya know, that is really a bad comparison
Posted by: rickiey on Mar 29, 2008 10:17 AM   
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It's laughable that the Feds are pushing the concept of pot addiction when science shows that withdrawal symptoms from caffeine are far worse.

Oh my god!! I wasn't scared of pot before, but now, I am.

Because I'm a caffeine addict. In truth, I'm sitting here with my cup of (much better than starbucks) coffee as I type this. I've been through caffeine withdrawal and started again.

Caffeine withdrawal is horror.

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Decriminalize
Posted by: Urban Myth #3 on Mar 29, 2008 1:38 PM   
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I think as the case for Legalization moves forward - Governments have to consider potential costs.
No educated person can rate Marijuana alongside Alcohol or Tobacco yet the latter two items take huge resources out of our communities - in virtually every sense.
The fact is we can probably not afford the cost of Legalizing another mind-altering substance. The big two are already a financial and social scourge, and a huge drag on our workplace and(particularly) Health system.
The figures are a bit sleepy too - look at the sheer Damage done by alcohol abuse - yet a whole 15% of the population is addicted? - that makes for a National and International Disaster surrounding our old fried the Bottle (15% of 95% of the Adult population = tens of millions).
A Fatally addictive drug - right up there with Heroin.
Having said all that, Decriminalization of Marijuana has worked in those places (in Australia) I have seen it trialed.
Aficianados in Adelaide can grow their own if they're so inclined - no big jump in Crime or Health stats.
That's a big difference from having it packaged and on the shelf too - a separate consumerism if you like - and doesn't clog the legal system with victimless 'crime'.
Further it takes the "Bread and Butter" money away from the Black Market entities that currently control this trade.
I think the Models for progress and Individual Freedom of Choice are there - it's a case of getting real about the facts

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All very true UM but
Posted by: marid on Mar 29, 2008 4:50 PM   
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The War on Drugs is a perfect war. It can be neither won nor lost but just fought forever.

The DEA and the police systems love the billions coming their way to buy new toys and pay for raises, the privatized prison owners love it for it brings in clients, Big Pharma loves it for we cannot even conduct rational studies on it, It gives the powers that be a hammer over the head of all too many Americans, it keeps intelligent, caring, people out of politics in fear of the QUESTION, it is a job security program for lawyers, keeps hemp (a different strain of the plant) from competing with paper, oil, and chemical companies, keeps the drug money coming to the investors on Wall Street and the Casinos in Vegas and elsewhere, and an endless list of asinine travesties that we are fed.

It has nothing to do with addiction or health!!!! Nothing.

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thc is fat soluble
Posted by: whealeydj on Mar 30, 2008 5:59 AM   
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So the withdrawal symptoms not immediately apparent as with water soluble alcohol, cocaine, heroin and caffeine. THC it takes 30 time as long for to leave your body so that is why you can test positive long after your last joint and THC is also affecting your mind for long time afterwards too. Pot is not innocuous but the perseuction of pot users is much more damaging to our society than the damage of marijuana use. Legalize and regulate it. I tend to beleive the studies about dangers of smoking pot because people hold it in lungs for its intoxicating effect it makes sense that lung cancer rates per cigarette might be higher; if you still use it stop smoking and start eating even though intoxication is much less it is safer.

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Another no win situation
Posted by: LeeAnnG on Mar 31, 2008 8:11 AM   
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I have a friend who got busted for growing about 15 years ago. Due to a lot of very fortunate circumstances, he got probation, a small fine, and no jail time. But part of the conditions for his probation was that he had to go to counseling for his "addiction."

And here's the most ridiculous part of this - his insurance would have paid for a stay in an in-house recovery program, but since the insurance company or the government or some entity had declared that MARIJUANA IS NOT PHYSICALLY ADDICTIVE, he could not be admitted to the in-house program. As a result, he wound up having to pay for the treatment himself.

As it turned out, this guy was extremely emotionally stable, and the therapist he went to contacted his probation officer and told her that the "recovery treatment" he was attending was a complete waste of time and money.

Incidentally, my friend was a 30 year regular (as in daily) user, but during his "rehabilitation" time, he stopped smoking any pot whatsoever and had no physical or emotional effects.

I know many pot users who have to stop using from time to time because of jobs, lack of access, or financial considerations. None of them have had any problems, physical or otherwise.

There are many reasons, too numerous to analyze here, for the illegal status of marijuana. But one of them is most definitely not addiction. Fear of addiction is a ploy to convince people that it should remain against the law to use it. There have been several rumors circulating concerning lung damage and other ill effects of marijuana, and most of them have been contradicted by more knowledgable sources.

The Canadians did an extensive study several years ago, the intent of which was to prove "once and for all" that marijuana use is destructive. The opposite happened; the study indicated very strongly that marijuana has no lasting highly detrimental effects, that it is not a "gateway" drug (alcohol is far more likely to lead to hard drugs), and that no one seems to ever have died from an overdose of THC. In fact, the study found that it's nearly impossible to OD on marijuana and that even driving impairment is minimal because people who are high on pot tend to drive more slowly and cautiously.

A few years ago, an entire issue of The Nation was devoted to the subject of the drug war. One article was not in favor of legalizing pot because "it's not without its consequences." My reaction was that pregnancy is not without its consequences, nor is playing football, getting married (note the number of spousal abuse cases), driving a car, hunting, sky diving or nearly any human activity.

The entire war on drugs is absurd, but the legal status of marijuana as the worst kind of addicitve substance is pure, unmitigated nonsense.

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I'm addicted to caffeine
Posted by: lepidopteryx on Apr 10, 2008 8:10 AM   
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If I go more than 24 hours without coffee, I go into caffeine withdrawal - nausea, blinding headache, diarrhea - all of which can be made to go away with a cup of New Orleans Blend.
Lots of addictive substances are perfectly legal and not regulated in any way. Coffee doesn't even have a Surgeon General's warning to pregnant women about the effects of caffeine consumption on developing fetuses. (It can intefere with absorption of minerals needed for bone formation).
So what's the big deal about pot? It's no more dangerous than alcohol, which is perfectly legal, and less addictive than tobacco, which is also perfectly legal.

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