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Breaking the Drug Taboo: Group of Traumatized Veterans Gets Ecstasy Treatment

By Scott Thill, AlterNet. Posted February 11, 2008.


An experimental study that treats PTSD veterans with the drug MDMA could make life after war a lot more livable.
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"We need to be positioning ourselves now to provide the assistance that our veterans need," said House Committee on Veterans' Affairs chairman Bob Filner (D-CA) during a hearing, called "Stopping Suicides: Examining the Mental Health Challenges Facing the Department of Veterans Affairs," held in December 2007. "Not only for those brave men and women who are returning home from Iraq and Afghanistan, but also for our veterans from previous conflicts. We cannot afford to put this issue off."

Filner's choice of words is instructive, as are his sentiments: With upwards of 25 million veterans in the United States, not counting those overseas in the morally murky theater of Iraq and Afghanistan who may return home sometime after the 2008 presidential election, that's a lot of assistance and funding needed to head off what he called a "rate of veteran suicide [that] has reached epidemic proportions," to the point that it has doubled the suicide rate of civilians. Safeguards already put into place have failed, for a variety of reasons, and given the severity of the mental and physical problems carried by returning soldiers, some daring out-of-the-box thinking is not only desperately needed, but required.

Enter the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies (MAPS), and its currently funded trials using 3,4-methylenedioxy-N-methamphetamine -- otherwise known as MDMA, or ecstasy -- to treat post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). Although the U.S. Army had carried out lethal dose studies of MDMA back in the 1950s, work which was not classified until the close of the 1960s, it was only centered on animals and was mixed in with a variety of other compounds. At the closure of that research, MDMA languished in clinical obscurity until its rise as a club drug in the '80s and '90s brought it the kind of attention that dooms better drugs to Schedule I classifications -- that is, illegality -- and lesser drugs to approval by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). But MAPS founder and president Rick Doblin became aware of MDMA in 1982, and since then has been convinced of its therapeutic uses. Accordingly, his organization has coordinated and/or funded recent studies into MDMA treatment of PTSD and has its eyes set on a higher goal.

"We're looking to make MDMA into a prescription medication in the United States, United Kingdom and elsewhere," he explained by phone.

So far, MAPS has gone a long way to helping legitimize MDMA treatment for PTSD, as well as anxiety in cancer patients and more. The organization is supporting and funding Dr. Michael Mithoefer's double-blind sessions and protocol on MDMA/PTSD, initially approved by the FDA in 2001 and due to conclude this June, as well as co-sponsoring a pilot MDMA/PTSD study with the Swiss Medical Association for Psycholytic Therapy and coordinating research at Harvard Medical School's McLean Hospital into MDMA's ability to aid the suffering of terminal cancer patients.

In short, MAPS is putting its money where your mouth is, in hopes of saving your brain and heart. And their help can't come fast enough, given hundreds of thousands of troops have already returned home from Iraq and Afghanistan to face everything from a possible economic recession to homelessness, homicide and suicide, with hundreds of thousands on the way behind them. According to some estimates, America can expect a minimum of 300,000 cases of PTSD, at a cost of over $600 billion, rivaling the cost of the wars themselves. And that's just the military wing of PTSD's vast network, which leans all too heavily on those who have suffered horrific experiences such as rape, violence, abuse and more. Post-traumatic stress disorder is a deadly assassin when it comes to the humanity's overall mental health, and its costs are extensive and lasting. This is why some physicians and professionals are keeping an eye on MDMA treatment, which so far has proven to be almost uniformly successful in helping patients work through their crippling traumas with the help of ecstasy's cathartic yet calming influence.

"I've seen each and every one of these patients, and, just as a clinical psychologist, it is impressive to see the degree of treatment response these folks have had," explained testing expert Mark Wagner, a clinical psychologist at the Medical University of South Carolina, to the Washington Post after serving as an independent evaluator of Mithoefer's work. "I didn't see a single individual who thought: 'Oh, yeah, this is great fun. I'm going to try to go out and use this for recreational use.' All of them took this very seriously and therapeutically."

Indeed, out of all of the MDMA research underway, it seems to be Mithoefer's work, conducted in a warmly lit cottage in South Carolina with his wife and registered nurse Annie, that seems best positioned to aid MDMA's American crossover from a Schedule I danger to a FDA-approved wonder drug. But that's just the beginning of a long, bureaucratically tangled road to redemption. "Michael's study is the furthest along," added Doblin, "and after June, we'll do the data analysis and submit our findings to the FDA. After that, we will work with the FDA to come up with ideas about phase three studies, and that's when we have to spend the millions of dollars and treat hundreds of patients."


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MDMA can help
Posted by: drblack on Feb 11, 2008 12:17 AM   
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I have seen MDMA help a woman who was sexually and mentally abused for many years as a child.
She couldn't hold a job, had few friends and was very insecure.
After one MDMA experience she turned around completely. She just took it with no shrink or even any talk of her past trauma.
It was the most amazing transformation I have ever seen.
This was back in 1986. I saw her recently and she is still doing great and it was all because of one dose of MDMA.

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» Yes it can! Posted by: garry minor
» Yes (we) can! Posted by: fifthworld
rolling soldiers
Posted by: MobileSucks on Feb 11, 2008 2:46 AM   
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Don't suppose it would maybe lead some to reconsider being a soldier and killing people? Probably not. But they could feel less bad about it. I have heard it said that MDMA is really what the hippies said LSD was, or at least what they wanted LSD to be. Namely a "love drug" that gets people together feeling real groovy about themselves, each other, and the universe. Of coarse LSD doesn't always do that (lol).

Last I had heard about MDMA in the media was that it causes brain damage and if you take enough of it, in the long term, what happens is that you become incapable of being happy. Or you can't get very excited about anything. It emotionally flat lines you. Some researchers actually said this and it was all over TV for a few days. That study was based on research done with rats or mice that were given insanely large amounts of the drug over extended periods of time. How can you trust the findings of any of these studies I'm not sure. If it's a drug that has been made illegal, the sky is the limit on what people can claim about it's supposedly hazardous effects. If it's legal...well usually a lot of people have to get sick and die before you hear much about it.

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» RE: rolling soldiers Posted by: LeaveMeAlone
» RE: rolling soldiers Posted by: MobileSucks
No pacifier
Posted by: Zuma on Feb 11, 2008 3:18 AM   
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rolling people use pacifiers for good reason; the drug, like normal methamphetamine, crawls up your spine and leaves you grinding your teeth. it was unpleasant to say the least, with no redeeming benefits to me. on the whole, worse than bad acid. i cannot recommend it to anyone, for any purpose.

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» RE: No pacifier Posted by: kelt65
» You got ripped off!!! Posted by: garry minor
» RE: No pacifier Posted by: meetmeineleusis
» RE:You didn't take MDMA... Posted by: jimidee
» RE: No pacifier Posted by: MobileSucks
» RE: No pacifier Posted by: pizzmoe
myrak
Posted by: myra on Feb 11, 2008 4:23 AM   
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My first thought was Which Pharmaceutical Giant Corporation is reaping the profits from this EXPERIMENTAL drug, using our troops as guinea pigs? My second thought was Will they keep sending them back to the Psychological Hell Zone with their supply of the drug? The U S Army Drug "Larium" was reported by volumes of troops that it makes them crazy and out of control. The Army, in its usual manner, ignored them. I guess the troops' choice will be to live with PTSD or live like a zombie. ~~~ Army Wrong!!

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The Best Possible Answer of all? STOP THE WAR! Stay Home!
Posted by: williameon on Feb 11, 2008 5:29 AM   
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Ecstasy is a BUMMER! CRAP!

First they rip your world apart.
Then BU__! SH__! Sends you off to a
Phony Halliburton WAR
With a target on your back.
In Iraq you committed War Crimes.
Then you came back to
Bush-Zarro World
With the top of your head blown off!
Your dreams shattered.
Then it settles in,
Everything was a lie.
You were used and abused.

Do you think that Ecstasy is going to cure that?
There is only one cure!
Get rid of these, Dirty Hippocratic, Sato-Sadistic and Fascist Bass-Turds that sent you there.
Enough with the Wars already!
It is the worst possible thing we can do with our dwindling resources and loved ones lives.
The Shrub loves it.
They stay home, live high on the hog and get even richer.

Ecstasy is a Bummer!
Reality is tough.
It will make living in Bush-Zarro AmeriKaKa even harder.
Another placebo instead of the cure.
The Truth.
FREEDOM

You want to make their lives better?
Restore their faith in this Country!
Give back their Dreams.
Stop the Lies, Spies and Delusional Nightmares:
In this Cor‘pirate’ Hell Hole!

Ecstasy can only make it tougher.

There are safer and more reliable methods for integration.
There are many proven Relaxation, Exercise, Yoga and Meditative techniques.
There are as many ways as there is people.
Each path personal and unique.

Long walks with Mother Nature are very beneficial.
Occupying the conscious mind so that your inner Light/Spirit can shine.
Expand the possibilities and deepen the Experience.
All the veils will fall away and you will be home again.
What you were born.
With all your Limitless Potential.

I forgive you!
Please forgive me.
Peace!

Everything else is illusion.

The best cure of all?
STOP the WAR!
Protect and support your Family.
Stay Home!

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KAEL
Posted by: KAEL on Feb 11, 2008 5:29 AM   
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Morally murky Iraq and Afghanistan? Unless you stopped paying your taxes and have been on the street demonstrating most days since day one of the wars, you are no authority on moral, immoral, or morally murky. The difference between those who buy the bullets and those who take them to the enemy is what is murky in this debate.

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» RE: KAEL Posted by: grn1
Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies!
Posted by: garry minor on Feb 11, 2008 5:51 AM   
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Anyone interested in learning about the many positive effects of this wonderful drug should visit the MAPS (Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies) home page. Knowledge is a good thing!

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about damn time
Posted by: schnoggi on Feb 11, 2008 6:59 AM   
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therapists have been clamoring for access to this wonderful substance for thirty years, but it has been locked down in media propaganda and fearmongering. Any sentence beginning with "well everything I've read in the mainstream media about it" can be ignored from there on. it's pretty sad that nobody was allowed to whisper about it until the military needed a cheap way to avoid having to treat a bunch of emotional husks. Big irony, because it's going to work great, it will creep into the laws through this crappiest of doors, and slowly the drug war begins to crumble.
and to those who snicker in disdain at E, either you haven't done it (in which case just be quiet), or you did bad stuff, or you were just an exception. a good dose in a proper situation is a truly life-changing experience, and it is well time the cultural clenchers backed off.

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» RE: WORD! nm Posted by: jimidee
Stay human
Posted by: fifthworld on Feb 11, 2008 7:06 AM   
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There are proven, highly effective therapies for dealing with the blows to the soul that are PTSD. There are books about it, exercises you can even do for yourself, to work THROUGH the trauma. Drugs never do that; they just take you beyond. It's called denial. The trauma remains.

Of course, yes, the real answer is to curtail the madness and inhumanity called war. Meanwhile, the drug companies are part of the war. The armed forces are doing experimental drug treatments of combat soldiers - involuntarily, I've read - to make them more inured to the horrors of combat and killing; to make them zombies basically. So, is this not simply the other end of that process, the "treatment" for the consequences of becoming a killing machine, though one still with a psyche, the heart and soul that have become traumatized?

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» RE: Stay human Posted by: grn1
Many years away?
Posted by: Intellect on Feb 11, 2008 7:15 AM   
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"From our perspective, the FDA is a delight to work with, because they focus on that science. It's not until it comes to policy that the political influences come in. But we're many, many years away from that."

The troops returning with PTSD are returning now.
Many, many years away is not good enough if this is really something that will help them.

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Sure cure (Maybe)
Posted by: willymack on Feb 11, 2008 7:25 AM   
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I've got an idea I think will work better than any chemical coverup devised by a regime far more interested in its "legacy" than its military personnel, whom it considers a mere means to an end, on a par with depleted uranium munitions, phony villians such as Osama bin Laden, and the hapless wretches at Guantanamo. First, get our military the hell out of Iraq and Afghanistan. While we're at it, pull them out of Korea and Europe as well. Second, a complete overhaul of our Defense Department, aimed at reducing our military establishment to that necessary to curtail an invasion or to help out during times of disasters like Katrina. Third, an all-out effort through a revitalized and well-funded VA to take what we know to be the ethical and morally correct course of action to correct or, at least lessen the impact of combat stress and injuries suffered by our military personnel, INCLUDING REINTEGRATION INTO OUR SOCIETY. Fourth, and most importantly, the prosecution of the criminals and vainglorious fools who got us into the horrible mess we're in as well as the establishment of a museum modeled on the Holocast Museum in Israel as a warning of what is possible if we allow psychopathic criminals to gain the upper hand in our political system. While not exactly a complete solution to the brutalization of our young people (to say nothing of the brutalization of Iraq & Afghanistan), it would be a big improvement over what can only be considered as crimes against Humanity.

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» RE: Sure cure (Maybe NOT) Posted by: jimidee
» RE: TRUE mick3 Posted by: jimidee
» RE: mick3 Posted by: babs
Let's get real!!!
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Feb 11, 2008 7:48 AM   
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MDMA!?!! WTF, are we really willing to subject our people to the very psychological disquieting side effects of this shit? Those of us who have seen the actions of this drug up close would rightly argue that this is not an answer.
Being a Vietnam Vet I can tell you from personal experience,Cannibas Hemp is a far better choice. After months and years of slaughtering and following absurd orders you need something to get by in civillian life and Hemp made the transistion much easier.
I can approve of wanting our people to regain the feeling of love and closeness and family after their return,but I think GENUINE feelings of Love,Family and Closeness is a far better remedy than a drug induced 'love mentality' especially since there's no guarantee that you'll be in a situation where those feelings will be returned. A let down under those circumstances could have disasterous results. At least if you're stoned and someone shoots you down you're more inclined to say
"Cool, I'll just go talk to someone else.".
I think the military squarely has it's collective head-up-its-ass on this one.
Draft Jeffrey7 for Prez '08
www.youtube.com/RevJeffrey7
WE CAN DO BETTER.WE JUST NEED TO DO IT!!!

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» RE: OK, let's! Posted by: jimidee
» RE: OK, let's! Posted by: jeffrey7
» RE: OK, let's! Posted by: jimidee
» RE: OK, let's! Posted by: jeffrey7
» RE: OK, let's! Posted by: halkorp
About Ecstasy: the risk is small
Posted by: goeswithness on Feb 11, 2008 8:06 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The BBC recently had a show that rated the 20 most used drugs in terms of scientific evidence about harm done to the body, the psyche, addiction potential, number of related deaths, and it also looked at the harm done to society.

Alchohol was number 5. Cannabis was 11. Ecstasy was 17 or 18. It was said that the risk of using it is "insignificant."

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» RE: About Ecstasy: the risk is small Posted by: goeswithness
Yikes
Posted by: blogfrog on Feb 11, 2008 8:29 AM   
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"We want patients to integrate their trauma into their normal lives."

Someone explain to me how taking a powerful psychotropic drug that rips you out of sober consciousness is in any way an integrating experience? And furthermore, I think the vets had enough of "integating their trauma" into their lives when the Bushmaster launched this unilateral agression and sent them into hell.

Which famous work of fiction speaks of a substance that all in society must take to maintain the state mandated "right" perspective and behavior?

This is getting scary folks...........

real scary.

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» RE: I'd read it again now. Posted by: jimidee
» RE: Yikes Posted by: LeaveMeAlone
Gotta post again: THINK - what does "ec-stasy" mean?
Posted by: fifthworld on Feb 11, 2008 8:28 AM   
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That's to stand outside... Outside of oneself, beside oneself. And is this healing or therapy for trauma? Not. It is part and parcel OF the trauma experience itself; not being able to remain in the terrorized body, or being frozen in it. There is no substitute for real, interactive therapy, someone to help and witness the process of re-connecting with self. It takes work - that's the point I'm making.

"Fun" vs. suffering (or stoicism of some sort)is not the issue, as suggested by someone above. That's a cruel joke, spoken by someone who clearly doesn't know the horrors of combat and related traumatic experience. The issue is what really will help this horrendous kind of suffering in the long haul.

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After years of dealing with PTSD
Posted by: donnee on Feb 11, 2008 9:10 AM   
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I've tried everything including MDMA, which while I was on it was wonderful, but the effects didn't transfer to the rest of my life.
I found that I takes constant vigilance to keep the dark at bay,and the memories of horror from creeping in. Eventually your friends and family slip away, worn out and feeling helpless in the face of the storm that rides your ass, day in and day out with no respite.

It was a dog that finally saved me and then another dog, constant exercise that I wouldn't give to myself (because someone as horrible as I didn't deserve to be teated well) I gave to them willingly, the adoration I received just for coming home and having to come home to feed and care for them, kept me out of other bad situations.

Yeah talk therapy helped, drugs where more trouble than they were worth, what with the side effects and having to see the doctor on a regular basis. But my four legged shamans and Mozart are the best prescription I have found to finally feel semi-whole again.

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How Ironic
Posted by: unity1 on Feb 11, 2008 9:13 AM   
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MDMA is the 'love' drug, how ironic then that after military training negates ones humanity, negates ones heart and soul in order to over ride ones inherent nature to kill and commit acts of atrocity these traumatized solders are given the 'love' drug to cope and perhaps bring them back to a more normal insanity in order to cope with the trauma that war irreparably brings

when is this insane humanity going to grow up and learn - when are you americans going to wake up and realize war is NOT patriotic nor is it sane - so far you have killed over 3 million people - no wonder your solders are not coping - the Germans denied the human holocaust also

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» RE: How Ironic Posted by: amazingjim
A thought on another area not mentioned so far
Posted by: madmax427 on Feb 11, 2008 9:16 AM   
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in this article. Has anyone kept up on the "trial" of Sgt Vela? He was found guilty of Murdering an Iraqi Civilian who was "detained" when He found Vela's Unit resting on the fourth day (the second day of two back to back two day missions). Each Man carried 150# packs, travelled during the night to reach the designated area for observation, slept maybe fifteen minutes at a time, did Their observations in 120 degree heat during the day and had only 4 or 5 litres of water for each man per mission. The Iraqi burst in on the Unit, was tackled and The Unit tried to quiet Him down and He wouldn't. Vela was ordered to shoot Him as it was thought the Iraqi was trying to expose Their position. Velas' trial was the THIRD one conducted over the death of this Iraqi and the first two ended with not guilty verdicts for two other Unit members. Vela was convicted to ten years in Prison (That's Military Prison= Hard Labor, Loss of all pay and allowances and a Dishonorable Discharge). All this because He did what was asked of Him and ORDERED to do! My point is, I guess, that where is the "reintergration" for this Young Man? Where is the consideration for the assinine conduct of His "Superiors" in ordering such missions, BACK to BACK, under such harsh conditions and THEN convicting ANY Soldier for protecting His Unit? Are We to sacrafice Him for "Public Relations" with the Iraqis? This comment may not belong here, But I think the article was about helping Our troops and I wanted to point out there is more help needed than just drugs.

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It Does Work
Posted by: scottml on Feb 11, 2008 10:03 AM   
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I smoked 2 packs of tobacco cigarettes daily for ten years. I was thoroughly addicted and tried to quit many, many times--with and without legal drugs and psychotherapy. I was successful only after experiencing the catharsis that comes with two hits of MDMA and dancing enthusiastically all night to inspiring music spun by a highly skilled DJ with a diverse group of other like-minded folks. When it was finally time to rest, I put a piece of nico gum in my mouth (in the midst of a quit attemp) and had what religious folks might call an epiphany. I immediately spat it out because it tasted like poison. I felt like I was going to pass out--falling down a rabbit hole in my own head. I saw layers and layers of lies and self-deceit unravel in less than a second. I was able to see my addiction and the lies to my self that made it possible laid bare. I was able to forgive myself and move on and have never even wanted another cigarette. My recovery took about ten minutes--some friends missed me on the dancefloor, went looking and found me, brought me some water and a back massage, and I've been a stronger more compassionate person ever since. After this experience (almost ten years ago), I recognized MDMA's potential and used it to work through mild PTSD after being mugged at gunpoint very close to my home. That being said, I believe that MDMA gives one access to a month's worth of serotonin within five or six hours. If one uses it more than once a month, one runs the risk of never being able to feel happy.

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xtiml
Posted by: xtiml on Feb 11, 2008 10:29 AM   
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mdma is meth amphetimnie with a psychedelic molecule . so figure that out a zipping speed and a psychedelic aspect. never had it, but would like to,lol.the veterans coming back are under shock all right, at what they did and let themselves in for, and the more sensitive or and conscienable ones have to do serios readjustment., draftees have an excuse as a helping. we are brain dead to have people filling the armed force of america to do the new world orders killing, well it pays good, and no jobs around...what about the drug they are going to give them while in combat to numb the horror, more like disable certain places in brin that give trouble , such as basic humanity and a conscience.course it wouldnt mess with bodily ability like reflexes and getting smarter in time. or would it. these generals dont care about the soldiers, they care about their position in the new world order, thats all. screw all this shit i sick a it, you monkeys are sop stupid not to see what the agenda is it is a fait acompli for the ones who are better than us , the uppity high level 1% natural psychopaths ruleing class.100 year war says rumsfeld, he meant on us the commoners.of the world.

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» RE:It is not that simple... Posted by: jimidee
Psychedelics outside of Psychiatry
Posted by: nobody4prez on Feb 11, 2008 11:11 AM   
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A lot of promising work had been going with the use of psychedelics in psychiatry in the 1950s and early 1960s. Unfortunately, Timothy Leary got involved and decided to become a messiah. He was the worst possible thing to happen clinical use of psychedelics...

Psychedelics are powerful, and they shouldn't be administered lightly, whether in experimental, clinical, or recreational settings; the disorders for which these medications are most likely to be helpful are sufficiently debilitating as to warrant consider treating them with commensurately powerful methods.

Consider: would you treat a mild headache with morphine? Of course not. Does this mean that morphine is useless? No! It just means it isn't a cure-all and shouldn't be used for mild headaches. If I had cancer, on the other hand, I'd rather have morphine than aspirin. Would a responsible psychiatrist use LSD with someone with a transient or mild problem? No. Should a responsible and appropriately-trained psychiatrist have the option to use powerful tools against powerful foes? Of course!

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"Penicillin for the Soul"
Posted by: PeaceLove on Feb 11, 2008 11:36 AM   
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Very profound and powerful tool, MDMA. Those with no experience of MDMA are only mirroring the propaganda they've been fed. Many therapists today are willing to risk criminal prosecution in order to (secretly) use MDMA clinically with their patients.

Read The Secret Chief online, a beautiful book about a therapist who came out of retirement to conduct therapy using MDMA and psychedelics like LSD:

http://www.maps.org/secretchief/sctoc.html

Jacob postponed his retirement, completely enraptured by the effects of MDMA on himself and his patients. Over the next few years, he traveled around the country, quietly training groups of therapists in the use of MDMA in psychotherapy. He occasionally went to Europe to continue this work among European psychologists and psychiatrists.

At his memorial, I asked one of his oldest friends whether she had any idea as to how many people Jacob might have initiated over the years in the use of psychedelics, and she replied, "Oh, I would guess about four thousand, give or take a few." Rather extraordinary, for a man in his seventies!


I'm not entirely thrilled with the idea of granting an exclusive monopoly on such powerful sacred tools to the therapy community, but it's a start towards a more rational policy. At least the science can advance once again.

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Steven Bezruchka on mental illness, psychopharma, and the gap b/ rich 'n poor
Posted by: fifthworld on Feb 11, 2008 1:53 PM   
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Some relevant material: "In his talk 'Is America Driving You Crazy?' "Stephen Bezruchka links the surging rates of mental illness and psychiatric drug use in the US to the widening gap between rich and poor."

(This copy/pasted from kpfa.org today, 2/11; this is great material, getting a huge reception nationally. Go to the archives on the above station and see if you can catch it -- I believe Dr. B has a book out by this title, hence the talk... He's been doing a lot of speaking/interviews

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From Rawstory, "Soldier, After Bipolar Treatment and suicide attempts, sent back to war zone
Posted by: fifthworld on Feb 11, 2008 2:08 PM   
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Go to Rawstory for today 2/11 - format won't let me post the link here.

Guess the poor lad's gonna lead lots of ECTSTASY after this tour of duty...Oy.

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PTSD Survivor
Posted by: lilcheese71 on Feb 11, 2008 2:48 PM   
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I have experienced PTSD due to childhood sexual abuse. There is no drug in the world that can take away emotional pain. Yes, it can momentarily numb it, but eventually the pain will resurface for it was only buried. It may take decades, but unless the pain is dealt with it will come back. I know firsthand that it takes therapy and loving people around you to overcome PTSD.

I am not against using any drug to legitimately help people. However, you can't pop a pill for everything.

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X
Posted by: gellero on Feb 11, 2008 2:54 PM   
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X is just a street name for multiple phenylethylamines: MDA, MMDA, MDE, MDMA. All similar,but slightly different in effect and half-life. "Empathogens" are what we call them in the Psychedelic Community.

Society will never allow them. They are for select cognocenti.

Read 'Phikal' by Dr. Shulgin. He made and tried them all (200+ isomers). Cookbook included for Organic Chemistry majors.

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Opening the Doors of Perception
Posted by: sofla100 on Feb 11, 2008 5:38 PM   
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It was Aldous Huxley who first used mescaline and extensively talked about "opening the doors of perception." An earlier poster mentioned another early drug researcher Timothy Leary, and of course, we have the well known Richard Alpert (aka: Ram Dass). Now, these drugs can be powerful because they can so radically alter ones perception of reality. For example, under normal circumstances, we take for granted a "scientific world view." That is, our objective experience is something real and verifiable. However, under LSD, psilocybin and some of these other drugs, you no longer may experience yourself as an individual entity. You may experience yourself as God, your mind might exit your body, you might experience living what seem to be "past lives," and that is just for openers. Since these experiences seem just as real as what we are experiencing now, it can be very disconcerting to some people. Of course, the reality of it all is difficult to determine, is it more or less as real as what we all experience now and our "scientific world view." And, once you realize this, these drugs can and are no problem, otherwise, they could be a problem. Ecstasy, by the way, is not as likely to produce a "trip" as say LSD or mushrooms, but it can still have some powerful mood altering effects. Therefore, it is probably good that people use these drugs with a good guide and somebody not freaked out by the things I mentioned. Regardless, the drugs certainly could be a blessing for many and they certainly have the capability to break someone out of many a neurotic tendency or fixation.

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CUI Bono?
Posted by: douglashoyt on Feb 11, 2008 7:58 PM   
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Who has benefits from the current anti drug policies? Drug companies, police, courts, lawyers, government administrations, religious organizations and other repressive organizations.

See above for the continuing misery of the world.

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Drug Companies??
Posted by: gellero on Feb 11, 2008 8:59 PM   
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I hardly think they are interested or benefit from the current policies.

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I don't think this article is really about how good it feels to be high!
Posted by: Dboy on Feb 11, 2008 11:58 PM   
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I think the real point is that if you can properly medicate a soldier after he has broken every code of morality his parents, teachers, coaches, and society ever taught him, you can get his head back on straight so he can go out and kill some more. Isn't that basically the idea?

After all, who are these 'traumatized' soldiers? Maybe he was the one who was traumatized by setting that 14-year old girls body on fire, along with her family, after raping her? That would certainly be traumatizing.

dboy

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Dx. PTSD is the conservative politically correct doctrine in action
Posted by: logansafi on Feb 12, 2008 9:50 AM   
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Having a diagnosis of PTSD is the politically correct doctrine of reactionaries. Who do they always talk about having it? Why its cops and soldiers, is it not?

These are a group of 'workers' that are our ruling class's elite guard over the rest of us, by and large.

'Oh, Poor People, you have PTSD! You been treating others so damn bad it's begun to hurt even you... Oh the humanity!'

But I have noticed that nobody is particularly worried about other sufferers from traumatic exposures? Has anybody ever heard of any talk about other sufferers of PTSD needing special treatment, such as ER, ICU, or Burn Unit nurses, for just one example? What about those workers exposed to dangerous and toxic factory conditions that grind them down daily? What about cab drivers? And how about the inmates released from prisons?

'Oh, Cell Block Joe, you have a bad case of PTSD! Have some Ecstasy, Dude.'

We need to get over doting on vets as if they were some sort of fragile wilting elite flowers.... heroes, as they wish to often be known as. Most of them eagerly went into a military career with less thought than going into the Postal Service would have given them. And many later come out of the military, just as so many also come out of the Civil Service Postal Service, all tired of their earlier chosen and less than entirely satisfying job choice.

Simply put, the military is a ruling class set up elite that the rest of us continue to fund at the risk of our own PTSD.

'Hand me the marijuana and Ecstasy, please. What, I have know medical insurance? And no Social Security? What! The vets got it?!'

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Jack Webb....
Posted by: morticia on Feb 12, 2008 12:12 PM   
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...would not approve.

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the poor, poor soldiers!
Posted by: Dboy on Feb 12, 2008 1:21 PM   
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And they looked so strong, majestic, and heroic in those pretty uniforms! They looked powerful with those M-16's! They look so self-confident with those bibles and tanks. Yet apparently when the enemy gets a few well-deserved hits in, these gallant warriors turn into slobbering babies. Onward, christian soldiers! The world is a funny place.

dboy

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We won't see legal MDMA
Posted by: jeffreyDee on Feb 12, 2008 1:36 PM   
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MDMA was patented in the early 20th century. The patent has expired so Phizer et al don't have a profit motive. No profit for drug companies means that MDMA, like cannibis will remain illegal.

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holistic approach
Posted by: richholland on Feb 12, 2008 6:32 PM   
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I suppose that traumatic people who are treated with drugs will recover when they have|
-no housing problems
-a good health insurance
- financial security
-cantalk about the problems freely

after the second world war and the colonial wars millions of europeans, soldiers and survivors of terror bombing and concentration camps were building a strong Europe based upon
democratic social ideas of welfare for everyone
instead for a small group of Rich families.
THis is the core of the problems.
A state has the duty to take care of her veterans.

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I'm not comforted by the implications of this for gynecological issues.
Posted by: sweet_byrd on Feb 13, 2008 10:39 AM   
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I find it very interesting that the overwhelming majority of the discussion about PTSD as a serious illness (both in these comments, and in the American media in general) focuses on battle-induced trauma -- an issue that, in American society, at least, predominantly affects men. However, the larger proportion of PTSD sufferers are those with rape or sexual abuse induced trauma, and this is an issue that predominantly affects women.

This feeds into my theory that American society (as opposed to individuals or sub-groups) really only begins to take an affliction seriously when it affects men.

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Chemical dependence is a poor solution ...but it can help
Posted by: metamind on Feb 16, 2008 8:07 AM   
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MDMA is a high substance, spiritually speaking, because it produces the experience of empathy ... feeling for others as you feel for yourself. It's pretty difficult to hurt someone if you will hurt yourself by doing so.

Still, it's a mistake to substitute chemical empathy for the real thing. If you can use the chemical to learn how to do it for yourself then it can be a blessing. If you depend on the chemical to alter your consciousness then it can be a bad thing.

As with virtually every drug ... it's how you use it that matters most. Does it help you more than it hurts you or hurt you more than it helps you?

Ecstasy can open one's mind to a capacity to feel for others. If it is combined with psychotherapy it might even be useful in treating some forms of mental disease.

In the big picture we need to stop looking at mental illness as "just a chemical imbalance" and start looking at it as a composite of many different things, including diet, exercise, mental attitude, biochemical imbalance and psychosocial factors. Money is the cause of much depression ... that's our collective "spell" being cast upon each other in with evil consequence.

It's all US. WE are the problem. WE are the solution.

Teach virtue. It works.

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