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DrugReporter

Could Smoking Pot Be Good for Teens?

By Bruce Mirken, AlterNet. Posted November 10, 2007.


If you follow the White House's twisted logic, the answer could be yes.
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A new study from Switzerland raises the question: Might marijuana actually be good for teens? The answer is almost certainly no, but if one follows the logic used by the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy (ONDCP, aka the Drug Czar's office), the answer would be, "In some ways, yes."

If that seems confusing, allow me to explain.

The Swiss study, just published in Archives of Pediatric and Adolescent Medicine was based on a survey of 5,263 students, aged 16-20. Scientists compared teens who smoked both cigarettes and marijuana, those who used only marijuana, and those who abstained from both substances. The results were surprising.

By pretty much all measures, the youths using both marijuana and tobacco were doing the worst. Compared to those using marijuana only, they had poorer grades, were less likely to finish school, more likely to be depressed and more likely to get drunk frequently. Their marijuana use was also much more frequent than the marijuana-only group, and they were much more likely to have started smoking marijuana before age 15.

But the marijuana-only teens were strikingly similar to the abstainers, with very few statistically significant differences. The marijuana smokers were more likely to skip school but had comparable grades and were just as likely to finish their schooling as the abstainers. The marijuana users had more "sensation-seeking" personalities, which -- not surprisingly -- translated to somewhat higher use of alcohol or other drugs than the abstainers. But the marijuana-only group's use of alcohol and other drugs was far lower than the marijuana/cigarette group.

And in some ways the teens using marijuana looked better than the abstainers. They had better peer relationships, were more likely to be involved in sports and more likely to be on an academic (as opposed to vocational) track in school.

But these associations, as researchers call them, do not prove cause and effect. Just because A and B happen together tells nothing about whether A causes B, B causes A, or some third factor causes both A and B.

And that's where the Drug Czar gets into trouble. ONDCP regularly uses such correlations to frighten parents about marijuana in an utterly dishonest way. For example, an ONDCP ad published in major newspapers and magazines around the country bore the headline, "Marijuana can limit your teen's academic achievement." It went on to warn parents, "Marijuana use is linked to poorer grades. A teen with a 'D' average is four times more likely to have used marijuana than a teen with an 'A' average."

Well, yes, there was a study showing such an association, but just like the Swiss study, it did not and could not prove that marijuana caused the poorer grades. Indeed, there is a small mountain of evidence suggesting that it's the teens doing poorly in school who start smoking marijuana at a young age in the first place.

So by ONDCP's logic, it should now start running ads telling parents that smoking marijuana is linked to better peer relationships, involvement in athletics and more interest in academics. Don't hold your breath.

(It's worth noting here that there are good reasons to urge teens not to smoke marijuana. Some things, like psychoactive drugs, are simply best handled after one has acquired a bit of experience and maturity. Second, there are still unanswered questions about marijuana's effect on developing brains. Given that the brain uses marijuanalike chemicals as part of its natural communication system, pouring in large amounts of similar compounds while that neural circuitry is still developing seems needlessly risky until more is known.)

What the Swiss study does, if policymakers would only listen, is suggest that ONDCP's obsessive focus on stamping out even occasional marijuana use is misguided. The serious public health problem isn't good students who light up an occasional joint with friends on weekends, much as we might prefer they not do so. The real problem is the population of kids, clearly identifiable in the Swiss research, using multiple substances at an early age and having all sorts of problems at school and home. These kids -- more depressed, less likely to finish school and using heavy amounts of marijuana, booze and other drugs -- exist in the United States as well as Switzerland, and they clearly need help that many aren't getting.

For most of these teens, substance use likely wasn't the original cause of their problems, but it's almost certainly making them worse. ONDCP could be helping parents and schools identify these kids and get them help. Instead, officials cherry-pick data to bolster an ideological agenda while ignoring the real problem.

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Bruce Mirken is communications director for the Marijuana Policy Project.


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What is the Point of Smoking
Posted by: Abushite on Nov 10, 2007 3:47 AM   
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Surely smoking anything, means the child is not involved in some other productive activity.

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» The point of smoking is: Posted by: abbadon2007
Definition of the Individual not the Issue by: Keith Richard Radford Jr
Posted by: KeithRichardRadfordJr on Nov 10, 2007 4:21 AM   
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The blanket statements used today to endorse of condemn the questioned readers on subjects has got to be better defined. I am sure with a little scrubbing through we can find some youth out their who is a poster boy/girl for the pros/cons of both sides of the issues, but We can all agree that use of medical marijuana is far better for use against nausea and pain than booze. Some situations require nourishment to heal. Booze is not going to lead to nourishment.

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» legalize medical marijuana Posted by: vasumurti
Definition of the Individual not the Issue by: Keith Richard Radford Jr
Posted by: KeithRichardRadfordJr on Nov 10, 2007 4:28 AM   
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The blanket statements used today to endorse or condemn the questioned readers on subjects has got to be better defined.

I am sure with a little scrubbing through we can find some youth out there who is a poster boy/girl for the pros/cons of both sides of the issues, but We can all agree that use of medical marijuana is far better for use against nausea and pain than booze.

Some situations require nourishment to heal. Booze is not going to lead to nourishment.

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» legalize medical marijuana Posted by: vasumurti
I think the prez is stoned.....
Posted by: eosrk on Nov 10, 2007 5:16 AM   
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....out of his mind!

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» RE:If he were stoned.. Posted by: oregonox
» RE: If he were stoned.. Posted by: donl51
You to can grow up like Bush
Posted by: rocketman on Nov 10, 2007 5:31 AM   
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Bush is a prefect example of substance abuse..why would you want your kid to turn out like that!

The more the "pot" industry tries to sell you on the benefits of smoking "weed" - the more they sound like the tobacco industry!

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» RE: You to can grow up like Bush Posted by: undrgrndgirl
» RE: You to can grow up like Bush Posted by: abbadon2007
» "to"? Posted by: grailsnail
"Don't hold your breath"
Posted by: war_on_tara on Nov 10, 2007 6:20 AM   
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Well THAT'S not good advice!

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Anyone who thinks that Bush is a stoner
Posted by: soulrebeljc on Nov 10, 2007 6:29 AM   
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...has never been a stoner.

He certainly exhibits the traits of a cokehead though.

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» does Bush abuse his wife? Posted by: sunspot
What is good for a teen .....?????????
Posted by: picket on Nov 10, 2007 7:00 AM   
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A family life with one or two stable adult role models who love and respect each. The teen would receive love and acceptance and be provided with the necessities of life.

The necessities of life a warm home, three nutritious meals, a safe environment that is necessary to learn and enjoy some of the free elements of life music, art , dance, literature, friends, medical care for real problems, clothing, a good school with teachers that care [ no hugging allowed now] schools where the SWAT TEAM and the dogs DO NOT invade, where teens don't pee in a cup to make the adults look good........ parents that have some free time....yada yada yada..

For millions.... the dream is a nightmare. Reality??? We all know what reality is and the upper 20 % of the population but mostly the top 2% do NOT CARE!!!!! It is a cruel society here in the good ole US of A. Those citizens, who look to and elect others to manage our hard earned $$$$ and for leadership such as politicians, clergy et al , must know by NOW it all is a cruel JOKE. Money and Power, for the most part, corrupts those with the best of intentions early in life.

Sooooooo..... for a society that gives Prozac to shy teens and throws Gram and Gramp, Mom and Dad and Children in a locked cage for a few God-given medicinal plants and forces millions into Big Pharma pain relief which offers drowsiness and extreme and often deadly side effects.............!!!!

What is good for teens??? Adults with common sense and a conscience.

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Electric Bill
Posted by: Electric Bill on Nov 10, 2007 7:07 AM   
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Smoking pot may not be the best thing for teens, but to just blindly assume that idiotic policies like "just say no" work is simply putting your head in the sand. You might say I have done extensive research in the area and one thing I can say for certain is smoking pot will get a you in a lot less trouble (if you stay out of Texas) than drinking alcohol. I have never seen anyone start a fight or commit a violent crime while stoned on weed.
The cigarette thing is very telling. I currently live in an area that has been ravaged by prescription drug and methamphetamine abuse and I taught high school history for several years in another place equally ravaged by "urban" drugs like crack and heroin, so I have seen some really serious dope fiends. One characteristic they have in common is they are almost all heavy cigarette smokers. They suck cigarettes like it was their mother's breast milk. Tobacco is the real gateway drug and is almost always a junkie's first experience with addiction. Marijuana is not addictive and it is less harmful than alcohol or tobacco. Like I said, I don't advocate smoking pot for teenagers, but if they are going to do something, it's a lot safer than snorting OxyContin of the hood of their daddy's car.

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» RE: lectric Bill Posted by: somegirl
» RE: lectric Bill Posted by: rafaeltoral
» Pot vs. alcohol Posted by: LMNOP
» RE: Pot vs. alcohol Posted by: rocketman
» Troll Posted by: LMNOP
» Does your head hurt? Posted by: rocketman
» RE: Does your head hurt? Posted by: LMNOP
» RE: Does your head hurt? Posted by: rocketman
» RE: rocketman's Posted by: donl51
I think so!!!
Posted by: garry minor on Nov 10, 2007 8:23 AM   
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Cannabis opened my eyes to the ignorance of humanity and the Idiots that believe they have a right to prohibit others from searching within themselves through the ingestion of certain plants that God created for physical and spiritual nourishment. It delivered me to the Truth of Kaneh bosm!
In 1936 a Polish Anthropologist named Sula Benet discovered that in the original Hebrew text of the Old Testament the the word "kaneh bosm" had been translated as calamus by the Greeks when they first rendered the Books in the 3rd century B.C., then proagated as such in all future translations. During the same time period Hebrew ceased to be used as a spoken language and was not revived until the late 1800's by Eliezer Ben-Yehuda. Benet claimed through substantial research and etymological comparison that "kaneh bosm" is cannabis. In 1980 the Hebrew Institute of Jerusalem confirmed her claim that "kaneh bosm" is indeed cannabis. This fact is confirmed by the Ben Yehuda Hebrew English dictionary page 140.
In Exodus 30:23 God instructs Moses to use 250 shekels of kaneh bosm in the oil to anoint all Kings, Priests, and Prophets, for all generations, including that of Jesus and even today. The title Christ/Messiah means literally covered in oil, "Anointed". Kaneh is also lited as an incense tree in Song of Songs 4:14. The mistake was repeated in Isaiah 43:24, Jeremiah 6:20, and Ezekiel 27:19. There are 141 references to anointing and 145 for burning incense in the standard Bible. The Biblical "Canon" is derived from the Hebrew word "Kaneh".
Cannabis can provide us with food, fuel, shelter, medicine, pleasure, spirituality, and unity. All paper, plastics, packaging, paints, varnishes, fuel, lubricants, textiles, pressed board products, insulation, rope, netting, structural components and more can made with it. Over 25,000 known products. The cannabis seed is the most nutritious thing you can eat. Our Government stockpiles it as a strategic food source under Executive order 12919.
In Europe and Canada cannabis has been clinically proven to promote the growth of brain cells and destroy tumors. It is proven helpful with Alzheimers, MS, autism, epilepsy, arthritis, migraine, obesity, depression, diabetes, chronic pain, nausea,
glaucoma, asthma, drug addiction, alcoholism, emphysema, herpes, Tourettes, Parkinsons, Huntingtons, Crohns disease and more!
We have been deceived!!!!!!!

www.thc-ministry.org
http://time4hemp.com

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» RE: I think so!!! Posted by: thekidde
» Well, that's just nuts! Posted by: Tombo
» RE: I think so!!! Posted by: GANDALF84
Cause and effect
Posted by: tkwilson on Nov 10, 2007 8:32 AM   
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Looks to me like compulsory education causes drug abuse; at least among some kids.
I think they're asking the wrong questions, as usual, and then misinterpreting the answers they get to fit their preconcieved prejudices.
People self medicate for a reason. If it works well enough they'll ignore the side effects, like lung cancer, jail, poor grades, damaged relationships, whatever. That's called addiction.
The question is who's susceptible and why.

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» RE: Cause and effect Posted by: scenery
» RE: Cause and effect Posted by: rafaeltoral
treat marijuana like alcohol or tobacco
Posted by: vasumurti on Nov 10, 2007 9:11 AM   
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Throughout history, the legal and moral status of psychoactive drugs has kept changing. During the 17th century, the sale and consumption of tobacco were punished by death in much of Europe, Russia, China and Japan. For centuries, many of the Muslim domains that forbade alcohol sale and consumption simultaneously tolerated and even regulated the sale of opium and cannabis.

According to a 2003 Zogby poll, two of every five Americans say “the government should treat marijuana the same way it treats alcohol: It should regulate it, control it, tax it, and only make it illegal for children.” Close to 100 million Americans, including over half of those between the ages of 18 and 50, have tried marijuana at least once. Military and police recruiters often have no alternative but to ignore past marijuana use by job seekers.

In 1996, California voters passed a law to regulate medical marijuana within the state. In 2000, voters in California approved an initiative allowing people who are arrested for simple possession of drugs to go through a rehabilitation program rather than through the court process that would result in prison. Since the program began, most agree it has been very successful. It results in less recidivism and is considered cheaper than imprisonment.

Richard Posner, Chicago's chief judge of the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals and one of the nation's leading legal scholars, says marijuana use should be legalized as a way of reducing crime. Posner, a Reagan administration appointee once described by American Lawyer magazine as “the most brilliant judge in the country,” explained his views on marijuana in The Times Literary Supplement, a British publication, and in later interview:

“It is nonsense that we should be devoting so many law enforcement resources to marijuana," says Posner. "I am skeptical that a society that is so tolerant of alcohol and cigarettes should come down so hard on marijuana use and send people to prison for life without parole.”

Posner is the highest-ranking judge to publicly favor the repeal of marijuana laws. Several judges of the federal district court, a level lower than the appeals court, have made similar calls, including Robert Sweet of New York and James Paine of Florida, both Carter Administration appointees.

New York University law professor Burt Neuborne said it's significant that “one of the leading intellectuals in the judicial system recognizes that the laws don't seem to be working well.”

Posner and other federal judges have complained that sentencing guidelines force them to give unjustly severe prison sentences to relatively minor drug offenders. Says Posner:

“Prison terms in America have become appallingly long, especially for conduct that, arguably, should not be criminal at all. Only decriminalization is a sure route to a lower crime rate. It is sad that it appears so far below the horizon of political feasibility.”

Rufus King, a Washington, DC lawyer who has served on the President's Commission on Law Enforcement and the Administration of Justice, calls the drug war, “A worthless crusade.” According to King, drug use is a social problem, not a law enforcement problem. He observes:

“Cigarette use is declining through changes in cultural values in the population. Like most smokers and alcoholics, most users of illegal drugs poison themselves because they want to be intoxicated. No human force can do them much good until they want help.”

King is optimistic that the current anti-drug hysteria will subside, and responsible and reasonable drug law policies will be adopted.

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Caffeine and Cannabis
Posted by: aonghus36 on Nov 10, 2007 9:47 AM   
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I'd like to see the Swiss do a similar study involving caffeine, particulary coffee drinking, and smoking pot.

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» RE: Caffeine and Cannabis Posted by: richholland
Excellent discussion of marijuana laws.....
Posted by: Angel1961 on Nov 10, 2007 9:48 AM   
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...is found here

The author states in part, "You'll see below that the very first federal vote to prohibit marijuana was based entirely on a documented lie on the floor of the Senate.

You'll also see that the history of marijuana's criminalization is filled with:

* Racism
* Fear
* Protection of Corporate Profits
* Yellow Journalism
* Ignorant, Incompetent, and/or Corrupt Legislators
* Personal Career Advancement and Greed

These are the actual reasons marijuana is illegal"
.

Doesn't seem like much has changed on Capitol Hill.

"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance."
Thomas Jefferson

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Pot is good for everyone
Posted by: Tombo on Nov 10, 2007 10:22 AM   
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in moderation

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Nobody's Business
Posted by: LeaderofMen on Nov 10, 2007 5:50 AM   
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An excellent book entitled, 'Ain't Nobody's Business if you do: The Absurdity of consensual crimes', is probably the best book you could ever read on this subject.

Your gov't has been lying to you for decades.
The thriving hemp market collapsed because of a paper baron's greed.

Alternate energy and oils production could have been ours for decades.

We could have been energy independent or damn near it already if not for consensual crimes legislation and the accompanying scare tactics involved in the perpetuation of them.

But I digress.

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» RE: Nobody's Business Posted by: babs
When I was 16-
Posted by: WitchyNy on Nov 10, 2007 10:59 AM   
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while the cheerleaders and the football team were all out drinking and often dying in car crashes...I was home in my bedroom smoking pot and listening to music.

My friends and I were talking about changing the world, revolution, art and music, ending the war-(some things never change) and what books we had read lately. We thought it great fun that our parents were so worried we were having SEX when all we mostly wanted to do was get high and laugh together.

Interestingly-my grades went UP when I started smoking pot-perhaps NOT a good thing-considering the repressive working class-brainwash the masses-high school I attended.

The truth is there is something in pot that makes you question authority. And THAT is why the government fears it so! That and the fact it is a WEED and anyone can grow it and therefore there is no profit in it....

As a poster above stated-what kids really need is a good home with loving parents and good healthy food and books and music and lots family time and warm quilts.

Considering how rare this is for most kids---there are a hell of a lot worse things they can do than pot.

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» RE: When I was 16- Posted by: Grandma Crabby
» RE: When I was 16- Posted by: DaBear
Stress and Marijuana
Posted by: Moe Snodgrass on Nov 10, 2007 11:20 AM   
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I've smoked marijuana once recently (first time in 25 years) but I smoked it frequently in my youth. I was reminded what a great treatment it is for stress. Just two or three puffs after work would be enough for near total stress elimination.

ScienceDaily (May 17, 2007) — A researcher at the University at Buffalo's Research Institute on Addictions (RIA) is investigating the "brain's own marijuana" -- called endocannabinoid -- in the regulation of stress, stress-related behavior and anxiety.

I'd take marijuana up again to alleviate stress except I don't like the idea of associating with a criminal element (for purchasing it) and fear arrest (and potential employer drug testing). But I believe that stress is the most widespread affliction in the modern world and marijuana could help change the world at least a little for the better in that regard.

Symptoms of chronic stress are:
* eating problems
* upset stomach
* headache
* backache
* insomnia
* anxiety
* depression
* anger
* panic attacks

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» RE: Stress and Marijuana Posted by: P.E.A.C.E.
Teens are pissed off because they're being betrayed and they know it.
Posted by: P.E.A.C.E. on Nov 10, 2007 11:24 AM   
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If you grew up innocent, trusting and loving -- then found out that your parent's generation was running up your generation's environmental credit card without any intention of paying it back, you'd be pissed off too. That's a big reason that teens are getting loaded. Accept it. Just make sure they have access to untainted, organic herb, if that's the choice they make.

Hell, it's a big reason I get loaded. I'm pissed of that people who are sick are being put in jail when slime bags like Rummy & Scooter are being set free, and enriched.

I didn't start toking herb 'til I was 24, and had graduated from college. But I was a booze-swilling fool from the age of 14 because that was the drug of my peers. Besides beer tatstes good when you're really thirsty. So alot of these studies are conveniently flawed to allow for selective interpretation. What else is new? There isn't even any distinction made between indoor herb and outdoor herb, organic or chemically grown, so how can any of these studies be taken seriously. Too many variables.

What isn't mentioned is the role that individual responsibility plays in making individual choices. It's your life. If you don't know the difference beween right and wrong, then you and the people who care about you are the ones who will suffer for your bad choices.

Advise to toking kids (stop reading here if you don't wanna hear it):

Respect yourselves. Practice self-love through self-empowerment, meaningful achievement and self-discipline from an early age. And don't overdo anything that takes you away from that path for too long. It's easy to lose your way through instant gratification and distraction.

I understand that I'm not telling anyone anything you don't already know. I merely seek to remind you of something you may have forgotten, in case it may serve you.

I trust this may serve someone in some small way.

for peace,
with humility,
and maximum appreciation for the miracle that is the Cannabis plant,

PvH
California Cannabis Ministry
http://californiacannabisministry.blogspot.com

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I can't begin to believe that marijuana could be good for children...teenagers
Posted by: soul13832 on Nov 10, 2007 11:50 AM   
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I'm 46 and smoke marijuana. But, I can't begin to believe that marijuana could be good for children...teenagers. Then again, I have a 15 yo son and I don't think kids should smoke until there 21. Like the drinking age...that doesn't work. But, what does?

Peace,

soul

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Most excellent article
Posted by: wobblies on Nov 10, 2007 12:06 PM   
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Hi~
That may be the best piece that I've ever read on the subject. I would like to add one reason why under-18-year olds should not smoke: it stifles one's imagination if one doesn't first realize that one's epiphanies are not caused by marijuana. thirteen year old kids (as they begin to enjoy more freedom) may think that their great, usually ephemeral insights are the result of marijuana that actually only intensives the sensations that they enjoy in those insights. Young people still enjoy much more imagination and fascination than they usually do as adults: we wake up one day to realize that we are wage slaves and not living in liberty. Our youth need to have the wisdom by that age to use their reason and forethought independently of anything except a good night's sleep, a good breakfast ()-), and lots of exercise.

Ah and there's Hurtado's Law: one doesn't party until one has taken care of business.

God Speed,
David

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IF you cant dazzel 'em with brillance, baffle 'em with bullshit....
Posted by: Bearzerker on Nov 10, 2007 2:15 PM   
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...Instead, officials cherry-pick data to bolster an ideological agenda while ignoring the real problem...

As Officer Bar Brady would say;
move along people... nothing to see here...

What else did you expect from greed graft & cronyism thats over a 100 years old?
Its entrenched, its wrong and its illegal for a government to do to its citizens what the US governments does to its own!

Do as I say, not as I do...???
HAVE U.S. POLITICIANS NO SHAME?

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Smoking pot as a teen worked well for me
Posted by: briotron on Nov 10, 2007 3:37 PM   
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I am 30 now. I began at age 16, around the time my independent, intellectual mind began to blossom, in and outside of school. Somehow nobody says this but for some, marijuana is a highly intellectual "drug". Everybody knows that tokers are keen on exploring just about anything with curiosity and discover the wisdom of setting aside the ego every once in a while. The first time I ever got stoned I didn't think that what I smoked did anything for me, so I started doing my after-school homework. And then it kicked in as I was working on algebra and geometry homework. I noticed my mind was tangenting off more than I was used to, but I began to see mathematical relationships all around me, well in all the territory between my surroundings and my thought process. I was totally blown away. I started smoking pot more often purely out of intellectual curiosity, not as a hedonistic pleasure like others do. I realized I had been lied to my whole life, that pot doesn't make people stupider. to the contrary. I started getting better grades, even 'A's which I wasn't used to at all before. I took a ridiculous amount of notes in class whenever we were being taught anything. For me I feel pot was not harmful. Perhaps the most harmful thing for teens, I think, is a sense of hopelessness and a sense of betrayal from the adult world. We have to be more creative about engaging youth and we have to show them that the world of education is not something that's so lame to want to escape so far from. The most "harmful" thing about pot, if anything, is that it can take you into a frame of mind beyond the realm of the squares, the conformists, the establishment. Which means you're less compatible, cooperative with this disgusting system that degrades everything it touches. THC chemically opens the mind into largely uncharted territories of imagination, creation and discovery that must be explored if we want to evolve, with or without psychedelics. And this is a threat to the paradigm of the squares which must be smashed to pieces if we want a better world. Period. I'm tired of people attacking stoners as we continue to allow the sober leaders of government, corporate powers, churches inflict fear, harm, pollution, division around the world.

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Whatever Happened to Freedom?
Posted by: NoPCZone on Nov 10, 2007 5:22 PM   
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Pardon me if I'm mistaken, but one of the basic concepts our nation has stood for was freedom for the individual to conduct their lives as they see fit. The boundary of that freedom is when it imposes upon that of others.

I do not see smoking pot as anything different from the consumption of alcoholic beverages. If you want to roll one or burn one in your own back yard it shouldn't be anyone else's business. If you cross the line and drive under the influence, you should be punished in a manner similar to that currently applied to drunken drivers.

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Experience
Posted by: YogiBear on Nov 10, 2007 7:48 PM   
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Some things, like psychoactive drugs, are simply best handled after one has acquired a bit of experience and maturity.

And one gets that experience how again?

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» It's Like Margaret Cho Said... Posted by: pdxstudent
Plants are a gift of nature
Posted by: drblack on Nov 10, 2007 8:00 PM   
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I know from personal experience that many hundreds of people who smoked weed as teens did well in school and do very well today.
The guy in our school who got a perfect sat score, is now a rich computer mogul smoked pot all the time: with his British father who was also a very rich ,successful guy.
Marijuana is less harmful than coffee and certainly more beneficial.
Moderation is key.
I would prefer my kids to drink only water and eat healthy food...but I would rather they smoke weed then drink if they get interested in exploring this area.
No plant should be illegal. That is insane.

If you want to cut down on violence , corruption and government spending and make drug use 95% less harmful REPEAL DRUG PROHIBITION NOW.
Creating Black Markets by making somthing expensive and/or illegal is the dumbest policy as history has proven time and again.

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Lizanderson
Posted by: emmaliz on Nov 10, 2007 8:27 PM   
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I have been assisting families with teen-aged children since 1988 and I can spot a teen marijuana user within 5 minutes of a family assessment. During puberty, marijuana has a deleterious effect on school performance (a-motivational syndrome) and behavior. Whereas in an adult, it may increase relaxation and create a sense of well-being, a teen in puberty often becomes irritable, disrespectful and overly rebellious, especially when in withdrawal. It also causes fat development in the breasts of male teens and can affect development of the testes. WE now believe that it causes disruption in the development of neurons and keep in mind that the teen brain is rapidly developing and does not need any interference!
I support medical marijuana but absolutely do not support any use during puberty.

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a social problem, not a law enforcement problem
Posted by: vasumurti on Nov 10, 2007 8:45 PM   
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Programs aimed at curbing the use of mind-altering substances among young people (e.g., teen drinking and teen smoking) are admirable, but does this mean mild forms of intoxication should be criminalized?

According to a 2003 Zogby poll, two of every five Americans say "the government should treat marijuana the same way it treats alcohol: It should regulate it, control it, tax it, and only make it illegal for children."

Alcohol, not marijuana, is the most abused drug in the United States. There are an estimated eight million known alcoholics in America, and the number increases by 450,000 every year. One survey reported that 75 percent of all crimes and 60 percent of all divorces have drinking in their background. The National Safety Council reports that 50 percent of all traffic deaths are caused by drunk drivers.

According to Dr. John McDougall, over seven percent of the adult population in the United States suffers from alcoholism, resulting in decreased productivity, accidents, crime, mental and physical disease and disruption of family life. Excessive consumption of alcohol leads to liver disease, cancer, birth defects (fetal alcohol syndrome) and multiple vitamin deficiency diseases.

A report by the World Health Organization states: “Alcohol is a poison to the nervous system. The double solubility of alcohol in water and fat enables it to invade the nerve cell. A man may become a chronic alcoholic without ever having shown symptoms of drunkenness.” The conclusion of the report is that nobody is immune to alcoholism and total abstinence is the only solution.

Dr. McDougall writes further that excessive consumption of caffeine leads to an elevated heart rate, irregular heart beat, increased blood pressure, frequent urination, increased gastric secretion, nervousness, irritability and insomnia. Caffeine is known to cause birth defects in animals, and may do the same in humans. Caffeine stimulates the growth of breast cells, causing benign lumps.

Excessive intake of caffeine may cause a rise in blood fats. Cancer of the urinary bladder has been linked to caffeine use and it contributes to loss of calcium from the body. Moreover, the body actually becomes physically addicted to caffeine. Withdrawal symptoms include headaches, drowsiness, tension and anxiety.

Again, programs aimed at curbing the use of mind-altering substances among young people (e.g., teen drinking and teen smoking) are admirable, but does this mean mild forms of intoxication should be criminalized?

Rufus King, a Washington DC lawyer who has served on the President’s Commission on Law Enforcement and the Administration of Justice, calls the drug war “a worthless crusade.”

According to King, drug use is a social problem, not a law enforcement problem. He observes:

“Cigarette use is declining through changes in cultural values in the population. Like most smokers and alcoholics, most users of illegal drugs poison themselves because they want to be intoxicated. No human force can do them much good until they want help.”

King is optimistic that the current anti-drug hysteria will subside, and responsible and reasonable drug law policies will be adopted.

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Worked for me!
Posted by: culprit on Nov 11, 2007 5:19 AM   
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I smoked pot all through my adolescence, and I turned out fine!

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....."take the grandmother's house."....
Posted by: picket on Nov 11, 2007 1:29 PM   
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"When the police department can't put the drug dealers in jail, they ask me to take the grandmother's house." James Anthony, Prosecutor
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