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Lies About Marijuana Drive People to a Much More Harmful Drug -- Booze

By Steve Fox, AlterNet. Posted November 9, 2009.


Anti-pot propaganda drives most people to drink alcohol instead. But booze is far more dangerous than marijuana.
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Professor David Nutt didn’t play the game. As the chief drug policy advisor in the British Government, an unspoken part of his job description was to help maintain a public fiction about marijuana – or cannabis, as it is known in the U.K. and other parts of the world.  Specifically, he was expected to further the misperception of cannabis as a substance worthy of being classified and prohibited in a manner similar to more dangerous drugs like heroin and cocaine.  

He made a big mistake at the end of last month. In a lecture at King’s College in London, he spoke honestly – and truthfully – about the fact that cannabis is less harmful than alcohol and urged the government to factor the relative harms of substances into their policy-making.  Moreover, he accused the British government of ignoring the evidence about the true harms of cannabis in order to reclassify the drug and increase penalties for possession.  

Reacting with the logic and reason of pub patron after last call, Home Secretary Alan Johnson immediately demanded that Prof. Nutt resign as the head of the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs. He said Prof Nutt had "crossed the line between offering advice and … campaigning against the government on political decisions."   

More accurately, Prof. Nutt crossed the line between deceiving citizens and being honest with them.  The home secretary, a former member of Parliament, is no doubt comfortable with a little verbal jousting over public policy decisions. What he could not abide by was a top ranking official threatening the anti-cannabis mythology embraced at the very top level of government. Based on Nutt’s fateful bout of truthfulness, Johnson said he had “lost confidence” in Nutt as an advisor.  

In a letter to Professor Nutt, Mr. Johnson explained how the system is supposed to work. He said: "As Home Secretary it is for me to make decisions, having received advice from the [Council] ... It is important that the Government's messages on drugs are clear and as an adviser you do nothing to undermine the public understanding of them ... I am afraid the manner in which you have acted runs contrary to your responsibilities."  

The Home Secretary’s chief medical officer Sir Liam Donaldson put a similar spin on this hostile reaction to fact-based statements to the public.  "These things are best sorted out behind the scenes,” he said, “so that the government and their advisers can go to the public with a united front."  

In the real world, what this means is that advisors are free to provide research or reports based on an honest assessment of the scientific evidence, but when this research is completely ignored in setting policy, they are expected to keep their mouths shut and move on as if nothing ever happened.  

This is all part of the game the government plays in order to maintain marijuana prohibition.  In the United States, there are many examples of significant advisory opinions related to marijuana being completely ignored – even where the opinions were part of a decision-making process that should have led to action by the federal government.  

In 1970, Congress established the National Commission on Marijuana and Drug Abuse to study marijuana and make recommendations about how to control its use.  The Commission’s final report suggested removal of criminal penalties, noting, “The actual and potential harm of use of the drug is not great enough to justify intrusion by the criminal law into private behavior.”  President Nixon ignored the Commission’s findings and launched and all-out war on marijuana users.  

In 1988, Francis Young, an administrative law judge at the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), following hearings to determine whether marijuana should be placed into a less restrictive category under the Controlled Substances Act, wrote that marijuana should be moved from Schedule I (the most restrictive category) to Schedule II and it would be “unreasonable, arbitrary and capricious” to conclude otherwise.  More than 20 years later, marijuana remains a Schedule I drug.  

A recently as February 2007, an administrative law judge at the DEA issued an opinion concluding that it would be in the public interest for the agency to grant a license to the University of Massachusetts to grow a limited amount of marijuana to be used to study its potential therapeutic benefits.  Faced with this seemingly rational opinion, the political powers at the DEA sat on it for nearly two years and then rejected it by formally denying the University the license in the very last days of the Bush administration.  

Of course, ignoring fact- and evidence-based advice about marijuana is just one part of the game our government has played over the past four decades.  It has also gone out of its way to promote and spread myths about the drug – from the “gateway” theory to marijuana’s supposed connection to cancer to the notion that “potent pot” is somehow more dangerous than “your father’s marijuana.” Each one has been debunked or proven wrong or misleading, but there is no doubt that they have helped keep marijuana illegal.  

Yet there is one myth more insidious than the rest.  And it is one that is as devastating as it is subtle.   

You see, whether intentional or not, the government’s greatest achievement when it comes to keeping marijuana illegal has been its ability to convince a majority of Americans that marijuana is as harmful as, if not more harmful than, alcohol.  By doing so, it has secured alcohol’s place as the recreational substance of choice for the vast majority of the public.  

Influenced by the government’s anti-marijuana propaganda, a large segment of our population is comfortable with a system that bans the use of marijuana but allows – and even celebrates – the use of alcohol, despite the fact that alcohol is objectively far more harmful.  

Let’s consider just a few facts about the two substances.  For starters, alcohol is far more toxic than marijuana.  Just ten times the effective dose of alcohol can be fatal.  Yet there has never been a recorded marijuana overdose death in history.  The highly toxic nature of alcohol is also what leads to the all-too-frequent occurrences of nausea and vomiting from over-indulgence.  

Over the long-term, alcohol consumption is also far more likely to lead to the death of the user.  According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control, between 33,000 and 35,000 Americans die annually from the effects of alcohol.  The comparable number for marijuana?  Zero.  The supposed cancer-causing properties of marijuana?  Non-existent.  

Perhaps most disturbingly, as almost anyone who has been exposed to the two substances could tell you, alcohol is far more likely to produce dangerous and socially destructive behavior.  It is cited as a contributing factor in 25-30 percent of violent crimes in this country and in about 100,000 sexual assaults on college campuses annually.  These kinds of negative associations simply don’t exist with marijuana.  

As mentioned at the beginning, facts like this were quite familiar to Professor Nutt.  Even after his firing, he endeavored to spread the truth about the relative harms of marijuana and alcohol and urged parents to be especially wary of the one that posed the greatest potential for damage.  

"The greatest concern to parents,” he said, “should be that their children do not get completely off their heads with alcohol because it can kill them ... and it leads them to do things which are very dangerous, such as to kill themselves or others in cars, get into fights, get raped, and engage in other activities which they regret subsequently. My view is that, if you want to reduce the harm to society from drugs, alcohol is the drug to target at present."  

Our nation's leaders might think this is a game, but it isn’t.  There are children and adults seriously suffering and even dying because of alcohol, and it is time our leaders started being honest and realistic about how it compares to marijuana – both in terms of public education and public policies.  Neither propaganda nor policy should be used to steer adults – or teens, for that matter – toward alcohol instead of marijuana.  This does not mean that marijuana is harmless; it simply means, and all of the evidence indicates, that it is less harmful than alcohol.  

And no one should be fired for saying that.  

 

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Steve Fox is the director of state campaigns for the Marijuana Policy Project and co-author of Marijuana Is Safer: So why are we driving people to drink? (Chelsea Green, August 2009).

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marijuana
Posted by: vasumurti on Nov 9, 2009 1:20 AM   
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A pamphlet entitled 10 Things Every Parent, Teenager and Teacher Should Know About Marijuana produced by the Family Council on Drug Awareness tells us marijuana is not physically addictive. The 1980 Costa Rican study, the 1975 Jamaican study and the 1972 Nixon Blue Ribbon Report all concluded that marijuana use does not lead to physical dependency. The FBI reports that 65 to 75 percent of criminal violence is alcohol-related. On the other hand, Federal Bureau of Narcotics director Harry Anslinger testified before Congress in 1948 that marijuana leads to nonviolence and pacifism.

In a message to Congress on August 2, 1977, President Jimmy Carter insisted: "Penalties against possession of a drug should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself."

Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) Law Judge Francis L. Young wrote on September 8, 1988: "Nearly all medicines have toxic, potentially lethal effects. But marijuana is not such a substance. There is no record in the extensive medical literature describing a proven, documented cannabis-induced fatality Marijuana, in its natural form, is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man."

After years of suppression by the government, the truth about medical marijuana is finally coming out. Dr. Tod Mikuriya, former director of marijuana research for the entire federal government, wrote in 1996: "I was hired by the government to provide scientific evidence that marijuana was harmful. As I studied the subject, I began to realize that marijuana was once widely used as a safe and effective medicine. But the government had a different agenda, and I had to resign."

Tobacco kills about 430,700 each year. Alcohol and alcohol-related diseases and injuries kill about 110,000 per year. Secondhand tobacco smoke kills about 50,000 every year. Aspirin and other anti-inflammatory drugs kill 7,600 each year. Cocaine kills about 500 yearly alone, and another 2,500 in combination with another drug. Heroin kills about 400 yearly alone, and another 2,500 in combination with another drug. Adverse reactions to prescription drugs total 32,000 per year, while marijuana kills no one.

A November 4, 2002 Time/CNN Poll found that 80 percent of those polled felt marijuana should be legal only for medicinal purposes. 72 percent felt recreational users should get fines rather than jail time, which is essentially decriminalization. The complete legalization of marijuana was favored only by 34 percent of respondents, but this figure is twice as large as it was in 1986. Marijuana is safer than alcohol and tobacco, and our drug laws should reflect this reality.

According to a 2003 Zogby poll, two of every five Americans say “the government should treat marijuana the same way it treats alcohol: It should regulate it, control it, tax it, and only make it illegal for children.” Close to 100 million Americans, including over half of those between the ages of 18 and 50, have tried marijuana at least once. Military and police recruiters often have no alternative but to ignore past marijuana use by job seekers.

In 1996, California voters passed a law to regulate medical marijuana within the state. In 2000, voters in California approved an initiative allowing people who are arrested for simple possession of drugs to go through a rehabilitation program rather than through the court process that would result in prison. Since the program began, most agree it has been very successful. It results in less recidivism and is considered cheaper than imprisonment.

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» RE: marijuana Posted by: sophiej
marijuana (cont'd)
Posted by: vasumurti on Nov 9, 2009 1:20 AM   
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Richard Posner, Chicago's chief judge of the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals and one of the nation's leading legal scholars, says marijuana use should be legalized as a way of reducing crime. Posner, a Reagan administration appointee once described by American Lawyer magazine as “the most brilliant judge in the country,” explained his views on marijuana in The Times Literary Supplement, a British publication, and in later interview:

“It is nonsense that we should be devoting so many law enforcement resources to marijuana," says Posner. "I am skeptical that a society that is so tolerant of alcohol and cigarettes should come down so hard on marijuana use and send people to prison for life without parole.”

Posner is the highest-ranking judge to publicly favor the repeal of marijuana laws. Several judges of the federal district court, a level lower than the appeals court, have made similar calls, including Robert Sweet of New York and James Paine of Florida, both Carter Administration appointees.

New York University law professor Burt Neuborne said it's significant that “one of the leading intellectuals in the judicial system recognizes that the laws don't seem to be working well.”

Posner and other federal judges have complained that sentencing guidelines force them to give unjustly severe prison sentences to relatively minor drug offenders. Says Posner: “Prison terms in America have become appallingly long, especially for conduct that, arguably, should not be criminal at all. Only decriminalization is a sure route to a lower crime rate. It is sad that it appears so far below the horizon of political feasibility.”

Rufus King, a Washington, DC lawyer who has served on the President's Commission on Law Enforcement and the Administration of Justice, calls the drug war, “A worthless crusade.” According to King, drug use is a social problem, not a law enforcement problem. He observes: “Cigarette use is declining through changes in cultural values in the population. Like most smokers and alcoholics, most users of illegal drugs poison themselves because they want to be intoxicated. No human force can do them much good until they want help.” King is optimistic that the current anti-drug hysteria will subside, and responsible and reasonable drug law policies will be adopted.

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» RE: Excellent Post Posted by: gazooks
» RE: Poison? Posted by: kettleblack
» RE: Poison? Posted by: MT512
» RE: Poison? Posted by: tokerdesigner
» RE: Poison? Posted by: MT512
Cannabis Oil
Posted by: Earthling on Nov 9, 2009 1:45 AM   
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The real reason why cannabis is being kept illegal by governments all over the world is because cannabis oil cures most cancers and other diseases.

Since it is so cheap and easy to grow one's own and to extract cannabis oil, it is a threat to the multi-billion dollar cancer industry (whose interests is NOT in finding a cure but in stuffing toxic chemicals into as many cancer patients as possible, until they die) and the trillion-dollar pharmaceutical industry - both these industries would be ruined if people could grow and elaborate the medicine that will cure them.

So, the above-mentioned industries bribe and lobby governments to keep cannabis illegal.

A few interesting videos about cannabis oil and THC with regard to cancer:

Run From The Cure

THC Kills Glioma Cancer Cells

Cancer Cure - Cannabis & Cannabinoids

Active cannabis chemicals halt prostate cancer cell growth

Marijuana cuts lung cancer tumor growth in half, Harvard study shows

Marijuana compound fights brain cancer: Study

Study Explains How Cannabis Kills Cancer Cells

Etc.

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» RE: True Posted by: kettleblack
nowhere near enough
Posted by: yusandnick on Nov 9, 2009 3:13 AM   
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Posner is as deluded as everyone else in the mainstream. When he says that "marijuana use should be legalized as a way of reducing crime" he's simply saying that criminalization is impractical, not that it's wrong.

There is absolutely NOTHING WRONG with marijuana. It's a great recreational drug. Anyone who argues otherwise--regardless of where they stand on the issue--is talking nonsense.

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Power Over The People
Posted by: melpol on Nov 9, 2009 3:44 AM   
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There is no better way for the authorities to infiltrate and have power over the people than through their monitoring of the drug trade. Removing the use of marijuana from criminal laws weakens social control. It is letting the horses out of the stable and destroying an obedient workforce.

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» RE: Power Over The People Posted by: tokerdesigner
war on drugs is profitable
Posted by: grmartin on Nov 9, 2009 4:58 AM   
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Not just organised crime profits from the war on drugs. The wasted tax payer's billion's goes to the police, mititary and others who won't give up this bonanza easily. An as noted by another writer, demonizing recreational drugs is a useful tool for enducing fear in the population at large, and very convenient for subugating the poor who seek relief from such substances. Remove the criminality and treat it as the medical issue it is, and the war will be over.

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Big Brother's World...Lies are Truth, Ignorance is Strength...
Posted by: picket on Nov 9, 2009 6:11 AM   
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and in our own version of Big Brother's world the status quo will be maintained at all costs even if it is pain, suffering, prison and death to "the people". Freedom to desire a non toxic relaxant of choice like MJ is not in the Government 's playbook.

Winston had his oily Victory Vodka and Victory Cigarettes, and like him we must take it or leave it.

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This was a good story
Posted by: Sister_Lauren on Nov 9, 2009 6:35 AM   
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Thanks for addressing the dangers of alcohol.

A lot of falls and broken hips can also be chalked up to alcohol. Alcohol related accidents are all too common and not only in cars.

I think the rage and rape issue is the most important. It is not only strangers who are at risk. Wives, girlfriends and children are all common targets. For a man to claim he was drunk has been an excuse for all too many rapes and sexual assaults being excused.

Our justice system works on the sympathies of everyone involved. If judges, prosecutors and cops have learned that juries won't convict rape because of their own sympathies, they are not even going to bother to try.

That sets up a situation where rape of wives and children is perfectly legal. Just keep it hush, hush.

This system is really hard on the victims, but they have a system for them too. Say they are bi-polar and prescribe drugs that cause brain damage.

I would treat those people with pot instead, but that is super illegal - even though it is completely harmless.

How bad does this have to stink before we notice it is a cover up?

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Countless people need hospitalization for alcohol, tobacco, heroin, cocaine, meth, etc., but few or
Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Nov 9, 2009 7:29 AM   
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none for pot!

The main or only reason for so-called marijuana detox is to pass drug tests!

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How many drunks have you seen get into a fight?
Posted by: Lese Majeste on Nov 9, 2009 7:31 AM   
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That's what usually happens, sooner or later when someone is blasted on booze, he picks a fight to prove his manhood.

Or drives home drunk and smashes into someone.

Or gets home and beats up his wife/girlfriend or kids.

That's booze for you, a drug that makes people dangerous and crazy when they drink too much, which is most of the time.

Watch someone get plasetered on booze and see their behavior turn dangerous and watch someone get stoned on pot and the worst that will happen is that they get the 'munchies' and clean out your fridge.

Another thing about pot is that it makes you look inward and ask questions about your past behavior and maybe you should change harmful actions.

Booze will just make you meaner and crazier and sooner or later, you take it out on someone else.

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Woodstock Universe supports Legalization
Posted by: RFWoodstock on Nov 9, 2009 7:56 AM   
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Valid medicinal value, it’s a victimless crime, the War on Drugs WAY too costly, too many arrests for simple possession, tax it and use the money to pay for health insurance and to reduce the deficit…Need I say more?

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Also, when pot is falsely equated to coke, heroin, meth, etc., people (including teens) will say,
Posted by: JohnTruth2001 on Nov 9, 2009 8:03 AM   
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"gee, I smoked weed & it was fine, all that hype was b.s. Then they'll assume all the warnings about the hard drugs are b.s. too, and will be more likely to try them!

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Thoughts to Consider...
Posted by: popeurbanxxiii on Nov 9, 2009 8:18 AM   
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..in this debate:

* For profit prisons.
* Prison manufacturing.
* Prison guard unions
* Permanent government bureaus i.e. DEA/Drug courts
* Performance reviews and promotions based on the number of drug arrests.

There are simply too many vested interests for the truth to ever be told. We will all continue to flatter the Emperor on his lovely new coat.

Pax...
Pope Urban XXIII

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It's the Amerikan way
Posted by: linecrosser on Nov 9, 2009 8:35 AM   
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Just a brief look at history, will tell anyone that the only thing this government understands is war. The current catch phrase in politics today is "preserve the American way of life" this phrase is in almost every speech given by any politician. Really, just listen for it. Propaganda is a very effective tool in all wars, it motivates patriots, identifies and demonizes those who oppose The Powers That Be. We all know his government will do what ever it wants, to accomplish it's goal of world domination. 935 documented lies to lead us into 2 illegal wars. The theft of trillions from the masses to give to the elite. Politicians and businesses profiting from both sides of all the wars. Rigged elections to keep the puppets in front of the public. Can we really think this is the Amerikan way. What ever happen to the "truth and justice" part, or was that just from the opening of each episode of Superman. The truth is, how is it a war on a plant, a weed no less. It's not, it is a war on the people. And how does it even qualify as a war if only one side has all the power, guns,courts, media and jails. It's not a war, it is a slaughter, a genocide. It will only truly be a war when both sides kill and destroy the other sides families. Take prisoners for ransom. Force the other side to the negotiation table. This so called war has be going on for seventy yrs. with only one side lowering itself to committing moral atrocities. I believe it is because pot smokers have connected with all life on a different level the those who wage war for profit. I don't believe it is in their character to disregard, others. How hypocritical is it to preach tolerance, when they actively participate in the willful destruction of all with a different opinion. Would the targeted assignation of bankers, CEO's, oil barons, politicians, DEA agents, etc. be effective. Maybe focused kidnappings of their family members would work. These are the tactics being used against us and all those around the world. Why we shouldn't, is because of what the CIA refers to as blow back. There is already a standing army in the streets, the police have been militarized and our every phone call, e-mail, and financial transaction is monitored, yet we are lead to believe we live in a FREE society. What should we do? Kick back, do not engage them on their level. Take every opportunity to spread the truth, everywhere to everyone. Stage loud conversations, in restaurants, elevators, where ever you'll be overheard. Take or make a an opportunity to tell every child that the current government is as evil and hell bound as any government that has ever ruled on this dying planet. We can't stop this, just get high and watch it happen knowing that it will all be over soon and while our efforts didn't prevail, we were not part of the demise of the human species, just a victim.

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Follow the Money
Posted by: Outspokengrandmother on Nov 9, 2009 8:45 AM   
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After the health care debate and the banking bail out there can be no illusions that Congress is a bought and paid for institution so who's paying them to keep grass illegal? The prison industrial complex - these guys are a huge profit center for them. Maybe the liquor industry because legal grass would clearly cut into their profits.... that's two biggies. But for certain, someone is making big money off this policy and as usual the American people pay the price in every way.

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» RE: Follow the Money Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Pleeeease don't leave out Big 2Wackgo Posted by: tokerdesigner
The law is respected when citizens feel it is just.
Posted by: peterjkraus on Nov 9, 2009 9:44 AM   
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It will be ignored if it is demonstrably stupid, biased or unjust.

It is in the self-interest of government to have its citizenry respect the laws government makes and enforces. Having ridiculous laws on the books furthers anarchy. There's a reason we (a "free" society?) incarcerate more of our citizens than any other first-world country in the world.

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Over and Over!
Posted by: frankly1 on Nov 9, 2009 9:47 AM   
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I think the words of Mel Brooks explains our drug policies "Gentlemen, we have to find a way of keeping our phoney baloney jobs here". In America we have the Sickcare business and the criminal justice business to name two. In short, the Government has NO RIGHT to ban any plant but it does anyway. Why? so it can control and incarcerate people for profit and keep the money flowing to the alcohol, tobacco, cotton and timber industries and maintain the fear. The prohibition of a substance that can relieve suffering and provide relativly harmless enjoment is in itself a crime, especially when you have to lie to maintain it. Logical conclusion? The U.S. government is in fact controlled by criminals! Drug use is a health issue not a criminal issue!

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» RE: Over and Over! Posted by: Sister_Lauren
money buys prohibition, no surprise
Posted by: zowie on Nov 9, 2009 9:50 AM   
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The war on pot has been lost. Most people that want to use it do and the growing popularity of the substance is unstoppable. Now I wonder how many ranking Congress and Senate MEMBERS are on the payrolls directly from MX cartels. We've already seen some lower DEA officials busted for working with the cartels so what's keeping it from infiltrating our "honorable" government officials? Nothing. We all know our elected scums can be bought. The question is just how many are on the "payroll"? Watch how they vote, it may be a good indication.

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» I'd like to see all politicians Posted by: linecrosser
» RE: Funny you should say that Posted by: kettleblack
Time to piss some people off
Posted by: tommy_slothrop on Nov 9, 2009 11:28 AM   
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This article's points about the relative harmfulness of alcohol vs. marijuana are well taken and, really, beyond dispute.

It is important to consider, however, that this debate is occuring in a country in which most people over the age of sixteen consider themselves entitled to drive around in their own personal three-thousand-pound oil burner and the people who are tasked with keeping the streets safe have no way of prooving whether someone is driving around impaired by cannibis or not.

As a pot smoker I am extremely annoyed by its legal status; as a bicyclist and pedestrian -- not so much.

Of course, those driving around intoxicated by alcohol are much more dangerous than those driving around under the influence of marijuana but so what? In a country where everybody insists that they just have to drive everywhere in these lethal weapons we should, at least, prevent as few of them as possible from doing it impaired.

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darkmark
Posted by: darkmark on Nov 9, 2009 11:57 AM   
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surely no mature reasoning adult follows the rules of this country. the obvious, don't hurt another honest citizen, should be followed but when its some law based on political decisions let those that made the law abide by it. as far as i'm concerned it has nothing to do with me. except of course i don't want to have to do any time in their nazi prison camps. they do have the force to back up their lies.

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legalize it at all levels
Posted by: bolognaman on Nov 9, 2009 12:05 PM   
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currently its band by the federal government. they say they can do this because it is commerce and falls under the commerce clause. states also have the right to regulate it because they have police powers, which include health laws, and marijuana is include in that. what we should do is fully legalize it and treat it like a mixture between tobacco and alcohol. marijuana is america's number one cash crop, ranking in about 35-40 billion a year. government taxes that and our economic siutation is a little better. with marijuana legal also, our jails/prisons will be able to free people caught for marijuana (which is about 600,000 - 700,000 people a year). now prisons wont be as over crowed, and money can be spent more efficently on prisons. although it isnt physically addictive, it is mentally, although anything can be mentally addictive. but with it legalized, the government could sponor or set up rehab or help centers to teach people to ddeal with mental addictivness, instead of throwing them in jail. then there are the medical benefits of marijuana. recent studies has shown that THC helps prevent cancer (it stunts the growth of cancerous cells). it also helps people with insomnia, eating disorders, neusea, fatigue, and pain. further more, if marijuana was legalized, its close cousin the hemp plant will become more mainstream. hemp, along with cannabis, is the most versatile plant in the world. you can use it as medicine, clothing, oils, food, drinks, and practically anything else you can think of. i really hope that it will be legalized because it will help in everyones life, either directly or indirectly. however, i dont have much faith. blacks were consider equal to whites in the 1870s but didnt actually achieve this until 1960s..nearly 100 years later. more people are now seeing the benefits of marijuana, but if current trends and history shows anything, it is that marijuana will possibly be legalized in a generation or two. (my guess is sometime after 2040)

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at the very least, hemp should be legalized!
Posted by: vasumurti on Nov 9, 2009 12:20 PM   
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Under our drug laws, even the growing of cannabis hemp -- the nonspyschoactive variety of the plant--is outlawed in order to enforce the marijuana laws.

Hemp has many economic uses. It contains the longest fiber in the plant kingdom and is one of the strongest and most durable. It can be used for commercial and industrial applications, including insulation, textiles, clothing, and rope. The fiber and pulp can be used to manufacture nondeteriorating paper using a relatively pollution-free process. The plant can also be used for biomass applications. Its seeds yield oil similar to linseed, which can be used in many commercial and industrial applications. In Eastern Europe and Central Asia, the seeds have been used for human consumption.

"Hemp. It's marijuana's nonspyschoactive sister," writes Ed Rosenthal. "You couldn't get a buzz if you smoked a bale of hemp, but it's still illegal to grow it in the United States." Industrial hemp is legally grown in over thirty countries. For thousands of years, people grew hemp and prospered. It flourishes without pesticides. Thomas Jefferson considered hemp so vital to America that he risked his life to smuggle hemp seeds out of France. George Washington grew hemp and instructed his caretaker at Mount Vernon: "Make the most of the hemp seed. Sow it everywhere."

Industrial hemp was first grown in Kentucky 250 years ago. It is currently grown in other countries across the globe, including France, England, Canada, Australia, China, Hungary and the Ukraine. Industrial hemp has virtually no THC, the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana. It cannot be used as a drug. None of the countries that allow industrial hemp production have experienced any drug problems relating to the crop. Using modern processing techniques, hemp can be used in place of petrochemicals. Instead of synthetic plastics made from oil, we can use natural fiber and processed bioplastic derivatives. Plastics and polyester rely on foreign oil, while cotton consumes enormous amounts of water, fertilizer, herbicides, and pesticides.

Industrial hemp is very clean, easy to grow and is one of the most environmentally sound sources of industrial fiber in the world. Environmentally friendly detergents, plastics, paints, varnishes, cosmetics, and textiles are already being made from it in Europe. Industrial hemp can meet our fiber needs while also revitalizing our struggling rural economies.

Hemp is already being used in place of trees for pressboard, particleboard, and core concrete construction molds. Paper made from hemp is acid-free, stronger and lasts far longer than paper made from trees. Hemp fabrics are far stronger and more resistant to mold than any other natural fiber. Builders in France and Germany use hemp for construction material, replacing drywall and plywood. Hemp can be used to manufacture plastic plumbing pipe, replacing such toxic materials as polyvinyl chloride (PVC). Hemp fiber is already being used in place of glass fiber in surfboards and snowboards. Hemp could also provide the resin itself.

For ideological reasons, the federal government refuses to allow farmers to grow hemp despite the fact that industrial hemp is currently grown legally worldwide. The George W. Bush administration took anti-hemp policy to a new extreme, attempting unsuccessfully to ban the import of hemp foods and cosmetics. Erwin "Bud" Sholts, director of the Wisconsin Agriculture Department's marketing division, said hemp "is the most value-added, prolific fiber crop man can grow." Sholts acknowledged that hemp is an emotional issue, but points out that "other nations with drug laws as tough or tougher than ours have overcome this hurdle." The U.S. is the only major industrialized nation that prohibits the growing of industrial hemp; anti-drug hysteria should not blind the public to the commercial and industrial applications of hemp.

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It's So Simple Really
Posted by: Solar Wind on Nov 9, 2009 2:51 PM   
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Just follow the money.

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Negative Reinforcement
Posted by: pure_genius on Nov 9, 2009 5:25 PM   
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I want to see cannabis re-legalized as much as anyone, but as an advocate of ending the prohibition of all drugs I wish there were not two camps in drug policy reform.

Prohibition makes things more harmful than they would be otherwise. The nature of drug production makes that harm greater for some than others. Drugs like heroin and cocaine are far more deadly because of prohibition. The same was true of alcohol during Prohibition.

Regardless, federal and international policy was never intended to be a harmed based one. The value of repeatedly pointing this out is therefore limited.

Referring to cannabis singularly as being less harmful than alcohol may be helpful to those looking to end its prohibition, but it is harmful to those who advocate ending prohibition entirely. It can lead the uninformed and even those who casually support ending cannabis prohibition to believe that every other illicit drug is more harmful than alcohol. The exact opposite is true. There are 4-6 times more annual fatalities caused by alcohol than all illicit drugs combined.

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» RE: Negative Reinforcement Posted by: aussidawg
Booze is so dangerous, people!
Posted by: PaulK on Nov 9, 2009 5:27 PM   
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You take a little drink, and then the drink takes a drink, and then you wake up married. Terrible, I say!

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E-CIG with THC
Posted by: tokerdesigner on Nov 9, 2009 6:02 PM   
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1. In my judgment the number one #1 lie against cannabis is the assumption of carbon monoxide overdose smoking procedures as the only commonly accepted use method, or playing into the hands of Big 2Wackgo with its profit margin based on 700-mg. $igarettes.

2. One Senatorial candidate (for Obama's former seat) has trumpeted the stupid canard about higher THC being more dangerous (after the lame-duck Prime Minister) earlier this year). This individual needs to be punished electrorally (which will take another year) or brought to recant.

3. The real story: sooner than you think: one-hit herb will popularize the screened one-hitter, make the hot-burning overdose "joint" obsolete and kill off a recruiting device for the $igarette marketing "industry". Watch Big 2Wackgo contributions to Republican candidates, they know what's facing them.

4. The e-cigarette has finally hit right wing talk radio. That is progress toward eliminating World Death Device #1. However, watch out. The ads never use the term "e-cigarette". They brag that you can get a $130 value "free"-- actually, if you "CALL NOW" you will be offered an obligatory something like a dozen cartridges for $69.95-- I have seen cartridges on line selling for $2.

5. Get busy researching cheap methods for making THC-cartridges that work in widely marketed e-cigarette brands.

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» RE: -CIG with THC Posted by: aussidawg
Alcohol Addiction
Posted by: New American on Nov 9, 2009 7:28 PM   
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Alcohol is the legal addiction. Got a fight going on late at night? Chances are that booze is a factor. Witnessed a terrible motor vehicle accident that took lives and damaged property? Liquor is a likely culprit. Binge drinking is increasingly a dangerous phenomenon at most American college campus, sometimes with fatal results. Prohibitionists will continue to foment fear in the populace about reefer, and about how it's the great gateway drug. Utter garbage. The only gateway aspect is that folks are buying it from drug dealers, who have other, more lucrative and addictive products to peddle. Make it legal, tax it, re-orient law enforcement and the incarceration system, and start respecting people's right to relax in a different manner. Stop being substance bigots. The time has come.

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» RE: Alcohol Addiction Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: Alcohol Addiction Posted by: techcafe
and in CANADA?
Posted by: richholland on Nov 9, 2009 7:46 PM   
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my neighbor comes from Canada, he tells me marihuana is there illegal but the government pays no attention, you can grow and smoke.

As in the Netherlands many years before legalisation the police and politicians didnt pay attention.
So we had a situation everybody was anyhow smoking and then laws changed.

Your problem seems you pay to much attention to your suppressors.
The LAWS are to protect the RICH and keep the workers down.
Knowing this why you wan more laws??

As soon as there is legalisation the BIG tobacco companies and the Maffia will take over the business and small dealers will be put in jail for selling without license.

Your problem might be in USA the number of inmates is 5 times the average in Europe.
And the real criminals are still walking free.

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» RE: and in CANADA? Posted by: techcafe
» RE: and in CANADA? Posted by: techcafe
AMA moves to reschedule cannabis!!!!!!!
Posted by: zowie on Nov 10, 2009 11:57 AM   
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AMA Ends 72-Year Policy, Says Marijuana Has Medical Benefits

The American Medical Association voted today to reverse its long-held position that marijuana be retained as a Schedule I substance with no medical value.

The AMA adopted a report drafted by the AMA Council on Science and Public Health (CSAPH) entitled, "Use of Cannabis for Medicinal Purposes," which affirmed the therapeutic benefits of marijuana and called for further research.

The CSAPH report concluded that, "short term controlled trials indicate that smoked cannabis reduces neuropathic pain, improves appetite and caloric intake especially in patients with reduced muscle mass, and may relieve spasticity and pain in patients with multiple sclerosis." Furthermore, the report urges that "the Schedule I status of marijuana be reviewed with the goal of facilitating clinical research and development of cannabinoid-based medicines, and alternate delivery methods."

The change of position by the largest physician-based group in the country was precipitated in part by a resolution adopted in June of 2008 by the Medical Student Section (MSS) of the AMA in support of the reclassification of marijuana's status as a Schedule I substance. In the past year, the AMA has considered three resolutions dealing with medical marijuana, which also helped to influence the report and its recommendations. The AMA vote on the report took place in Houston, Texas during the organization's annual Interim Meeting of the House of Delegates. The last AMA position, adopted 8 years ago, called for maintaining marijuana as a Schedule I substance, with no medical value.

"It's been 72 years since the AMA has officially recognized that marijuana has both already-demonstrated and future-promising medical utility," said Sunil Aggarwal, Ph.D., the medical student who spearheaded both the passage of the June 2008 resolution by the MSS and one of the CSAPH report's designated expert reviewers. "The AMA has written an extensive, well-documented, evidence-based report that they are seeking to publish in a peer-reviewed journal that will help to educate the medical community about the scientific basis of botanical cannabis-based medicines." Aggarwal is also on the Medical & Scientific Advisory Board of Americans for Safe Access (ASA), the largest medical marijuana advocacy organization in the U.S.

The AMA's about face on medical marijuana follows an announcement by the Obama Administration in October discouraging U.S. Attorneys from taking enforcement actions in medical marijuana states. In February 2008, a resolution was adopted by the American College of Physicians (ACP), the country's second largest physician group and the largest organization of doctors of internal medicine. The ACP resolution called for an "evidence-based review of marijuana's status as a Schedule I controlled substance to determine whether it should be reclassified to a different schedule. "The two largest physician groups in the U.S. have established medical marijuana as a health care issue that must be addressed," said ASA Government Affairs Director Caren Woodson. "Both organizations have underscored the need for change by placing patients above politics."

Though the CSAPH report has not been officially released to the public, AMA documentation indicates that it: "(1) provides a brief historical perspective on the use of cannabis as medicine; (2) examines the current federal and state-based legal envelope relevant to the medical use of cannabis; (3) provides a brief overview of our current understanding of the pharmacology and physiology of the endocannabinoid system; (4) reviews clinical trials on the relative safety and efficacy of smoked cannabis and botanical-based products; and (5) places this information in perspective with respect to the current drug regulatory framework."

Twenty years ago a wall came down..

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Read 'The Emperor Wears No Clothes'
Posted by: RumbleFish on Nov 10, 2009 5:16 PM   
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Jack Herer's great book is as relevant today as ever.

You want to know about the history of Marijuana?...read the book

You want to know about all the wonderful things Marijuana is good for (not to mention all the things hemp is great for)?...read the book.

You want to know why this miracle plant was made illegal?...read the book.

Marijuana & the Hemp can help save the world!

Peace.

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Re: Lies About Marijuana Drive...
Posted by: Maryam on Nov 10, 2009 10:15 PM   
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Breckenridge, Colorado has gone on a Libertarian tangent, and though brave, progressive, and certainly forward thinking, it's only a small step in the right direction. Breckenridge passed a law, for the town, that will partially legalize marijuana. It is legal for people to possess up to an ounce of pot. However, that's only within the town. Areas outside the jurisdiction still prohibit possession, sale, or use of marijuana. Medical use in Colorado is legal, though not federally. Currently, more people are in jail for marijuana than for murder or rape, and more people smoke than ever before. It won't bring revenue to Breckenridge, but less money spent on policing it might lead to some debt relief.

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Over the Edge - this friday on CBC
Posted by: techcafe on Nov 11, 2009 6:06 PM   
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watch Over the Edge this Friday evening, November 13, on CBC TV, The Fifth Estate.

On February 23, 2009, 24-year-old Sam Brown of British Columbia was arrested by U.S. authorities in Washington State as he landed a helicopter he had piloted across the border. Sam’s crime: he was attempting to smuggle almost 200 kilograms of marijuana, “B.C. Bud”. Only a few days after his arrest, Sam hanged himself in his jail cell. In Over the Edge, Linden MacIntyre takes us into the world of drug smuggling in B.C. and the role in it of young people like Sam Brown.

airs on CBC TV this Friday at 9pm and Sunday 15th at 11pm

or on CBC Newsworld:

Saturday at 8pm, Sunday at 7pm, Monday at 4am, Tuesday at 10pm, Wednesday at 1am

watch Over the Edge this Friday evening, November 13, on CBC TV, The Fifth Estate.

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Posted by: stacyhinjosa on Nov 11, 2009 11:37 PM   
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Please excuse my English. I have no idea why marijuana is still not legal. Now is the time for legal weed. Nowadays, with the use of a vaporizer, smoking weed is almost perfectly healthy. Vaporizers remove all the damaging effects of marijuana. The best herbal vaporizers are now even cheap to buy and great to use. This presidency claims to want change yet is not doing anything to reap from the tax potential of legal weed. I think legal weed is inevitable and necessary. The government can't continue trying to police something it can't control. Think about how safer our neighborhoods would be near South Texas and California where drug trafficing is common place.

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Class action law suit time...
Posted by: joebanana on Nov 14, 2009 1:36 PM   
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It seems to be the only way government hears anything, by suing the crap outa them, repeatedly. It's pretty common knowledge that drug laws raise the chances of death or harm to innocent civilians, reward criminals, disregard lost tax revenue's, cost a fortune in prison building, and maintaining, directly kill more people per year,than all drugs combined. And, a president can't declare war without congress's "ratification", so, the drug war is illegal too. Besides being unconstitutional, something about all powers not enumerated being the peoples, or the states. And these are the same people that took an oath to "protect, and defend, the constitution of the United States".

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Drug Testing leads me to booze
Posted by: alongtheway on Nov 15, 2009 3:09 AM   
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I'm currently unemployed and if I were to get a job, I may have to get a drug test just to qualify for employment. Now, for some high-risk jobs, I can understand why this is done for the sake of maintaining safety standards, but for computer technicians? Gas station attendants? Really?

I know it's possible to beat them, but that isn't even the point. I shouldn't have to piss into a cup to let employers know about what I do or don't do in my personal life. It is simply none of their business, because I am not hurting anyone by smoking a joint every now and then during off hours in the privacy of my own home and it says nothing of my character either way.

Drug testing is one of the most invasive, degrading things I've ever had to do just to get a job. People need to wake up and realize that the War on Drugs has been just one theater of the War on the Poor and a disastrous one at that. I mean, as if corporations and the government didn't have more bargaining power than common people as it is, let's also let these institutions dictate what nonviolent, responsible, capable people do in their private life. Let's hinder these folks from getting jobs they can do and at which they would excel. Great idea! Completely ridiculous.

By the way, I'm kidding about the booze. I don't even have the money for it.

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