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Why a Ban on Flavored Cigarettes and Outdoor Smoking Will Backfire

By Tony Newman, AlterNet. Posted September 25, 2009.


We should celebrate our success curbing cigarette smoking but let's not get carried away and think that criminalizing smoking is the answer.
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The war on cigarettes is heating up. This week a new federal ban went into effect making flavored and clove cigarettes and illegal.

The new regulation halted the sale of vanilla and chocolate cigarettes that anti-smoking advocates claim lure young people into smoking. This ban is the first major crackdown since Congress passed a law in June giving the Food and Drug Administration the authority to regulate tobacco. There is talk of banning menthol cigarettes next.

Meanwhile, another major initiative to limit smoking wafted out of New York City last week.

A report to Mayor Michael Bloomberg from the city's health commissioner called for a smoking ban at city parks and beaches to help protect citizens from the harms of secondhand smoke. To his credit, Bloomberg rejected this measure, citing concern over stretched city and police resources.

While I support many restrictions on public smoking, such as at restaurants and workplaces, and I appreciate public education campaigns and efforts aimed at discouraging young people from smoking, I believe the outdoor smoking ban and prohibition of cloves and possibly menthols will lead to harmful and unintended consequences. All we have to do is look at the criminalization of other drugs, such as marijuana, to see some of the potential pitfalls and tragedies.

Cities across the country -- from New York to Santa Cruz, Calif. -- are considering or have already banned smoking at parks and beaches. I am afraid that issuing tickets to people for smoking outdoors could easily be abused by overzealous law enforcement.

Let's look at how New York handles another "decriminalized" drug in our state: marijuana. Despite decriminalizing marijuana more than 30 years ago, New York is the marijuana arrest capital of the world.

If possession of marijuana is supposed to be decriminalized in New York, how does this happen? Often it's because, in the course of interacting with the police, individuals are asked to empty their pockets, which results in the pot being "open to public view" -- which is, technically, a crime.

More than 40,000 people were arrested in New York City last year for marijuana possession, and 87 percent of those arrested were black or Latino, despite equal rates of marijuana use among whites. The fact is that blacks and Latinos are arrested for pot at much higher rates in part because officers make stop-and-frisk searches disproportionately in black, Latino and low-income neighborhoods.

Unfortunately, when we make laws and place restrictions on both legal and illegal drugs, people of color are usually the ones busted. Drug use may not discriminate, but our drug policies and enforcement do.

Now let's look at the prohibition of cloves and other flavored cigarettes. When we prohibit certain drugs, it doesn't mean that the drugs go away and people don't use them; it just means that people get their drugs from the black market instead of a store or deli.

We've been waging a war on marijuana and other drugs for decades, but you can still find marijuana and your drug of choice in most neighborhoods and cities in this country.

For many people, cloves or menthols are their smoke of choice. I have no doubt that someone is going to step in to meet this demand.

What do we propose doing to the people who are caught selling illegal cigarettes on the street? Are cops going to have to expend limited resources to enforce this ban? Are we going to arrest and lock up people who are selling the illegal cigarettes? Prisons are already bursting at the seams (thanks to the drug laws) in states across the country. Are we going to waste more taxpayer money on incarceration?

The prohibition of flavored cigarettes also moves us another step closer to total cigarette prohibition. But with all the good intentions in the world, outlawing cigarettes would be just as disastrous as the prohibition of other drugs.

After all, people would still smoke, just as they still use other drugs that are prohibited, from marijuana to cocaine. But now, in addition to the harm of smoking, we would find a whole range of "collateral consequences," such as the black-market-related violence that crops up with prohibition.

Although we should celebrate our success curbing cigarette smoking and continue to encourage people to cut back or give up cigarettes, let's not get carried away and think that criminalizing smoking is the answer.

We need to realize that drugs, from cigarettes to marijuana to alcohol, will always be consumed, whether they are legal or illegal.

Although drugs have health consequences and dangers, making them illegal -- and keeping them illegal -- will only bring additional death and suffering.


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Tony Newman is communications director for the Drug Policy Alliance.

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Yesss
Posted by: maxsmart on Sep 25, 2009 4:09 PM   
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We seem to be headed toward lifestyle health oriented forced changes that are domineering, demonizing, and inhumane. Encouraging the limiting of a legal addictive substance like tobacco could eventually lead to developing the mechanism for decriminalized drug use stabilization.
Otherwise we are going to be having insurance companies and workplaces refusing to hire smokers, the obese, non-jogging slow walkers, and every other risk factor and genetic defect they can come up with, gays perhaps.

Like in war forcing change for someone or some country's good based on our moral and social values is counterproductive. Helps create unground economies and blackmarkets and more related criminal activity.

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» RE: Yesss Posted by: lesfrad
» RE: Yesss Posted by: cmaukonen
» RE: Yesss Posted by: dealmeinfo2
Make Clove a Schedule I drug, just like marihuana!
Posted by: kettleblack on Sep 25, 2009 9:42 PM   
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Wow! Just imagine the DEA spraying Roundup, Agent Orange or Paraquat on all the clove farms across America the Beautiful.
Martha Stewart back in prison, this time for possession of cloves.
This is your brain on clove!
Gonna need a lot more drug agents for this one!

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» LOL! and... Posted by: aussidawg
We Could Have Used This Article Before the Bill Was Passed
Posted by: rfrancis@godisdead.com on Sep 25, 2009 10:23 PM   
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The bill was only passed a few months ago, articles protesting its passage then probably wouldn't have done anything but they would have been more helpful than articles after the fact.

The effort is appreciated though.

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Maybe they can ban flowering plants next
Posted by: JeffG63 on Sep 26, 2009 1:14 AM   
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I'm not bothered by outdoor smoke, but those darn blooming flowers they keep planting in parks sure kill my allergies. They make my eyes water and then congest and the next thing I know I am having to use my health insurance to see an allergist or go to the doctor for a sinus infection. I should have a right to breath fresh air rather than noxious floral scents!

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» Flowring Plants Analogous Act Posted by: Malkavian
Smoking
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Sep 26, 2009 3:24 AM   
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Smoke a pipe. They have at least 31 tobacco flavors. But hurry, before Obama catches on, and they bust Popeye for smoking the spinach flavored one.

The article makes sense from a practical standpoint. But it seems that too many arguments against drug bans focus on the practical aspects, as if we'd all be okay violating everyone's privacy and individual freedom if only it were practical and enforceable.

Now that the smokers are outside, why can't we just leave them the #### alone, and let them smoke any flavor they want. When you consider all of the other crap in the air, they're not bothering anybody...except for all the do-gooders who can't sleep unless they're saving the world from chocolate cigarettes.

And speaking of 31 flavors, now that the do-gooders have been on a roll about obesity and fatty foods, will ice cream flavors be next? After all, we don't want our children seduced into a life of obesity by rocky road and Cherry Garcia.

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» RE: Smoking Posted by: lesfrad
Bans in the wrong direction
Posted by: LeonBNJ on Sep 26, 2009 4:27 AM   
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These new bans on tobacco are ones in the wrong direction and not go in the right ones. I believe there are other ways to reduced demand for cigarettes that could be used. Just continuing to restrict smokers where they can smoke is just creating more anti-government types we don't need.
Equalize state and local taxes nationwide and on Indian Reservations to discourage 'buttleging' often done by organized criminals and in some cases by potential terror groups. Ban all discount coupons or deals like 3 packs for the price of 2. More severe limits on marketing especially contests, or getting brand labeled or other products for saving pack UPC marks. Go after marketing outside of Europe and the USA. Perhaps an tax on exported tobacco products to go to international anti-smoking programs. Stricter limits on export/import of tobacco products where the quanity of product delivered it well in excess of reaonable demand. Often such excess product is bought by drug smugglers and others involved in criminal activities trying to repatrate their money.

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America has just gone "bonkers"...
Posted by: fsuthai on Sep 26, 2009 4:52 AM   
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and I'm so glad I don't live there anymore! I left from L.A. in the summer of '01 and the day & a half I spent in California before leaving was like being in some kind of weird experiment where everyone gave you dirty looks if you went out to the restaurant parking lot to have a cigarette. The religious lunatics, the pushy vegetarians, the clean air freaks that go berserk over smoking a cigarette anywhere (while breathing regularly from that brown CO2 layer that constantly covers the city), and the attitude you get from anyone in a uniform...and the whole country seems to have just gotten worse since then. Bush/Cheney manufactured the era of fear & hate and the power elite & corporatist domination of politics and diminishing of civil rights & liberties has torn our nation asunder! Obama might mean well (and at least looks & acts more 'Presidential' than shrub) but he is obviously on the take ($800 million campaign fund from Big Business) so, unless 'the people' are able to get someone like Dennis Kucinich, you are all SO SCREWED! Me too since I'm retired and dependent on Social Security...but, whatever happens, I'll never return to Amerika...unless it is against my volition like on a pre-paid CIA rendition flight! I still love the country, and the ideas of "life, liberty, & pursuit of happiness" we grew up with but I'll stay here on my porch overlooking a mountain range 'this side of Burma', smoking my mentholated cigarettes & locally grown ganja, while enjoying strong coffee with lots of sugar and creamy whole milk!

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Zealotry in Medicine is Wrong
Posted by: drricklippin on Sep 26, 2009 5:14 AM   
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....some anti-smoking zealots are misguided

The only zeal I have in Medicine is fairness and compassion

The rest is about caring about and for other fellow human beings. And showing kindness

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa

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If the FDA was really serious . . .
Posted by: garyfee on Sep 26, 2009 5:29 AM   
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If the FDA was really serious about discouraging smoking by minors, they would endorse the development of cigarettes that tasted like brussels sprouts.

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outlawing clove and chocolate ciggies?
Posted by: Grandma Crabby on Sep 26, 2009 7:30 AM   
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What a waste of time and resources.

What is next? Illegal apple fritters?

Will I still be able to insert some cloves in my Christmas ham? Is this part of the War on Christmas? Is clove illegal or just clove cigarettes? Did you know clove kills bugs?

Why is the world an insane asylum?

Dildoes are illegal in Texas.

Luv,
Granny

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» Tyler? Posted by: aussidawg
Do-gooders & Busy Bodies?
Posted by: Matamillion on Sep 26, 2009 7:34 AM   
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If it was really about what is not good for our illustrious citizens there would be no tobacco around, especially fashioned by corporations into neat filtered tubes with a technically balanced ratio of chemicals designed to deliver the desired level of nicotine to the nation's addicts.

If we're going to subsidize the national corporate distribution of a regulated classified poison (used to be used as RAT POISON) that, even in these tiny amounts, is slowly killing Americans in a number of particularly hideous ways, it might as well be heroin. At least we'll get a really nice high & not just stink, carry a thin brown stain & have repeated jittery, mean spirited withdraws that make us even lash out at loved ones when we go without.

It all sounds so appealing, I can hardly imagine why I quit the filthy things! Cloves or no cloves...

Smokers are almost literally enticed by corporations to suck the fumes of it into their precious pink lungs and blow it all over anyone nearby like a giant FUCK YOU I'M SMOKING HERE and never bat an eye because it's still somehow cool & correct to be a self destructive dick. Then the rest of us pay ruinous health insurance premiums to clean up the biohazard smokers come to be. Hey, roll with it!

So, they hilariously bitch about pollution, high fructose corn syrup, trans-fat and their un-ergonomic work environment because it's killing them, all the while puffing away and making themselves into little mobile EPA haz-mat sites that ought to be contained & buried in a salt mine somewhere out west.

But hey, we almost all of us knowingly pay good money for items fashioned by the poorest, enslaved children in rat infested slums because we're bargain hunters. We drive around and exhaust our car's weight in CO2 every year because we have to get Billy to that soccer game. We also subsidize mass murder for everything from WMDs to... Why are we killing all those brown people again? I forget! Anyway, I thought we won. Oh yeah, they don't like US living like kings on their backs for some reason!

The fact that we can barely scratch the American Dream without inadvertently causing at least direct exploitation & at worst, death to someone is what really should be banned. Cigarettes are just a carbuncle on the ass of humanity, our real and ongoing atrocities on the other hand are on a long list of fights you are invited to pick when we have a moment, otherwise and sadly they are just Alternet fodder.

With all the misery we export for our comfort, it's hard to get real excited about a bunch of idiots that want to die a horrible lingering death, but I seriously resent having to pay for it, considering the bills I already have to pay and the air, which is increasingly toxic anyway, they seem blithe to further corrupt. I suppose it's just another nail in my coffin for being a member of this Land of Princes. I should be glad I live in the greatest nation on earth and should turn a blind eye to the human cost, but it's a drag!

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» Moral busybodies, indeed! Posted by: Malkavian
This is ridiculous.
Posted by: tjg1984 on Sep 26, 2009 8:44 AM   
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Doesn't the government (even the FDA) have better things to do than ban flavored cigarettes? I didn't notice society falling apart when they were legal. Why don't people realize what a serious thing it is to threaten people with violence? That is what all legal prohibitions are. For murder, rape, and battery, it makes sense. For theft, OK, go and find the thief and make him pay the victim back. But pardon me if I don't feel good knowing that my tax dollars are being wasted harassing pot smokers and sellers of flavored cigarettes.

Fight smoking by voluntary means. Prohibit smoking on all property that you own. Dine only at restaurants that are voluntarily smoke free (no ban required). Avoid businesses that sell tobacco whenever possible. We don't need government bans and all of the horrible unintended consequences that come with them.

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» RE: This is ridiculous. Posted by: lesfrad
TOM DO YOU SMOKE?
Posted by: smf1403 on Sep 26, 2009 8:53 AM   
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"I am afraid that issuing tickets to people for smoking outdoors could easily be abused by overzealous law enforcement."
IF SOMEONE IS SMOKING AND IT IS AGAINST THE LAW, HOW IS ISSUING A TICKET ABUSIVE?
EXPOSING OTHERS TO YOUR TOXIC SMOKE IS ABUSIVE.
SECOND HAND SMOKE CAN CAUSE CANCER TO THOSE SUBJECTED TO IT IN ADDITION TO ASTHMA, RESPIRATORY AILMENTS, ETC.
WHY SHOULD ONE NOT BE ABLE TO ENJOY THE OUTDOORS FREE OF THIS ASSAULT ON THEM?
IF YOU WANT TO HARM YOUR OWN HEALTH AND BE SICK AND MISERABLE, DO IT IN THE PRIVACY AND AIR SPACE OF YOUR OWN HOME!!

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» RE: TOM DO YOU SMOKE? Posted by: lesfrad
» RE: TOM DO YOU SMOKE? Posted by: Tom Tele
» On a high, hysterical horse Posted by: Malkavian
smoking ban
Posted by: carrotwax on Sep 26, 2009 10:44 AM   
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I'm sorry, but comparing a public smoking ban to marijuana laws is really a stretch.

Instead, why don't you look at other places which have public smoking bans. Like, say, places in Canada.

There's no extra police burden. When it's a law, people who don't like smoke simply tell the person it's against the law. And they stop. I've not yet seen the police getting involved.

Makes for a much nicer park experience.

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» RE: smoking ban Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: smoking ban Posted by: lesfrad
Let's get rid of the ban on all tobacco and all pot.
Posted by: maxpayne on Sep 26, 2009 5:03 PM   
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In this case, I'm for letting the people's market decide what stays and what doesn't. Where's a truly free market when you need one?

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» Tobacco is a unique joy Posted by: Tom Tele
» RE: Tobacco is a unique joy Posted by: maxpayne
» vaporize tobacco? Posted by: Tom Tele
» RE: vaporize tobacco? Posted by: Malkavian
Curioser
Posted by: westomoon on Sep 27, 2009 1:04 PM   
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I guess we've all gotten so used to this particular piece of blazing illogic that we no longer even notice it.

The big difference between criminalization of marijuana and tobacco is that tobacco is a legal substance. If second-hand smoke is all that toxic, how bizarre is it that all legal attacks on tobacco are aimed only at the "little guy" individuals who consume it, not at the people who produce and market it?

And now we have taken one big step farther into the looking glass -- criminalizing clove, vanilla, and chocolate -- all harmless substances -- while leaving it still perfectly fine to make and sell the tobacco products that are the actual dangerous goods.

Now, as to that "knowledge" that second-hand smoke is dangerous... I know how well true believers respond to fact, but that truth is that we "know" that secondhand smoke is toxic because the EPA cooked its research on the topic. Here's a transcript of the Congressional hearing from the year they made their finding. I know half of you who read this will simply ignore it, and the other half will be outraged because it doesn't agree with what you've been led to believe. I'm just old-fashioned enough to believe how you feel about a fact doesn't stop it from being a fact.

I still recall reading about it in the paper -- the EPA had commissioned many research projects over the years, but none of them found secondhand smoke to be a significant hazard. So they got special funding for a "meta-analysis", to bunch all the projects together and get the collective result of all the research they'd funded. In that Congressional hearing, they freely admitted that they'd hardwired the data on their meta-analysis -- the source of the hazard determination that has shaped anti-smoking policy ever since -- because even the meta-analysis wasn't showing that secondhand smoke was toxic.

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» RE: Curioser Posted by: lesfrad
An ode to smokers
Posted by: Hans B on Sep 27, 2009 5:32 PM   
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Smokers are nice, smokers are true
They pay more taxes than me, and you too
They pay pension premiums and otherwise save
But at age sixtyfive kindly step into the grave
Without their selfless generosity, we could never pay
For roads, and schools, and our own 401(k).
Instead of gratitude they receive abuse and complaints
But this non-smoker says thank you to those grey-complexioned saints.

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» RE: An ode to smokers Posted by: lesfrad
Proofreading FAIL!
Posted by: Wendiego on Sep 28, 2009 10:36 AM   
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"This week a new federal ban went into effect making flavored and clove cigarettes and illegal."

The quote above is of the second sentence - "and illegal?" What does that MEAN?

How hard is it to proofread your entire story once before posting it?

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» RE: Proofreading FAIL! Posted by: lesfrad
A Beautiful World
Posted by: stuarts on Sep 28, 2009 3:50 PM   
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I'ts AOK to go to a presidential rally with an AR15 strapped to your back, surrounded by signs calling for the forcible removal of said figure from office.

Djarum Lights, however, a no no.


we are fucked

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» RE: A Beautiful World Posted by: lesfrad
Bold Hmm...
Posted by: uglybaby on Sep 29, 2009 6:39 AM   
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Next they'll be criminalizing sex under 18, which will result in more teenage pregnancy no doubt. Stupid crap like this is what makes America who we are: dishonest politicians who just want money and don't really care about middle- or low-class Americans.

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» RE: Bold Hmm... Posted by: lesfrad
Responsible Freedom
Posted by: SpiritMatter on Sep 30, 2009 12:02 PM   
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This issue and many others could more easily be resolved if a basic understanding of good and bad freedom was agreed on. Freedom is a social issue involving the level of control of one individual or group over other individuals or groups. Freedom without any control is anarchy and is harmful to society and most individuals in it. Freedom with maximum control allows only those in power to be free and is bad for society and individuals and groups not in power. The freedom our Founding Fathers envisioned is personal liberty checked and balanced by social responsibility. The goal of the U.S. Constitution was revealed in the Declaration of Independence. It was self evident to them that all men (humans) were created equal(in value not beauty, talent, etc.) and were endowed by their creator with un-alienable rights. The Constitution was designed to prevent the government from alienating our human rights and to require it to protect our equal human rights equally. Any behavior of an individual or group cannot be restricted by the government except in the protection of the equal rights of any other individual or group. If significant harm to any individual or group can be shown as a result of the behavior of another individual or group, the government must restrict that behavior to a level that does not cause significant harm. Freedom should be based on some agreed upon standard of harm. This standard could be applied in an unbiased equal way to all behaviors regardless of whether or not those in power support that particular freedom. In practical terms, freedom is the right to be wrong, wrong that is by the standards of those in power. If this standard were applied to tobacco, marijuana, alcohol, etc., marijuana would be one of the least restricted chemicals and tobacco would be close behind.

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