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Pot vs. Booze: A Former Police Chief's Take

By Norm Stamper, Huffington Post. Posted April 22, 2009.


Marijuana smokers show greater responsibility in their choice of drugs than those of us who choose (and abuse) alcohol.
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As 5:00 p.m. rolls around my interior clock starts chiming. I'll have an ice-cold, bone-dry martini, thank you. Jalapeno olives and a twist. If the occasion calls for it (temperatures in the twenties, a hot political debate on the tube) I may substitute two fingers of Kentucky sour mash. Four-twenty? Doesn't resonate. But with the Waldos of the world just having celebrated up their favorite day of the year, it's not a bad time to consider, yet again, the pluses and minuses of alcohol vs. cannabis.

First, a disclaimer: I am a member of Law Enforcement Against Prohibition, but I don't officially represent the organization in this forum. That said, I can't very well check my affiliation, or beliefs, at the keyboard when I sit down to blog. We at LEAP are current and former cops and other criminal justice practitioners who have witnessed firsthand the futility and manifold injustices of the drug war. Our professional experiences have led us to conclude that the more dangerous an illicit substance -- from crack to krank -- the greater the justification for its legalization, regulation, and control. It is the prohibition of drugs that leads inexorably to high rates of death, disease, crime, and addiction.

Back to booze vs. pot. How do the effects of these two drugs stack up against specific health and public safety factors?

Alcohol-related traffic accidents claim approximately 14,000 lives each year, down significantly from 20 or 30 years ago (attributed to improved education and enforcement). Figures for THC-related traffic fatalities are elusive, especially since alcohol is almost always present in the blood as well, and since the numbers of "marijuana-only" traffic fatalities are so small. But evidence from studies, including laboratory simulations, feeds the stereotype that those under the influence of canniboids tend to (1) be more aware of their impaired psychomotor skills, and (2) drive well below the speed limit. Those under the influence of alcohol are much more likely to be clueless or defiant about their condition, and to speed up and drive recklessly.

Hundreds of alcohol overdose deaths occur annually. There has never been a single recorded marijuana OD fatality.

According to the American Public Health Association, excessive alcohol consumption is the third leading cause of death in this country. APHA pegs the negative economic impact of extreme drinking at $150 billion a year.

There have been no documented cases of lung cancer in a marijuana-only smoker, nor has pot been scientifically linked to any type of cancer. (Don't trust an advocate's take on this? Try the fair and balanced coverage over at Fox.) Alcohol abuse contributes to a multitude of long-term negative health consequences, notably cirrhosis of the liver and a variety of cancers.

While a small quantity, taken daily, is being touted for its salutary health effects, alcohol is one of the worst drugs one can take for pain management, marijuana one of the best.

Alcohol contributes to acts of violence; marijuana reduces aggression. In approximately three million cases of reported violent crimes last year, the offender had been drinking. This is particularly true in cases of domestic violence, sexual assault, and date rape. Marijuana use, in and of itself, is absent from both crime reports and the scientific literature. There is simply no link to be made.

Over the past four years I've asked police officers throughout the U.S. (and in Canada) two questions. When's the last time you had to fight someone under the influence of marijuana? (I'm talking marijuana only, not pot plus a six-pack or a fifth of tequila.) My colleagues pause, they reflect. Their eyes widen as they realize that in their five or fifteen or thirty years on the job they have never had to fight a marijuana user. I then ask: When's the last time you had to fight a drunk? They look at their watches.

All of which begs the question. If one of these two drugs is implicated in dire health effects, high mortality rates, and physical violence -- and the other is not -- what are we to make of our nation's marijuana laws? Or alcohol laws, for that matter.

Anybody out there want to launch a campaign for the re-prohibition of alcohol? Didn't think so. The answer, of course, is responsible drinking. Marijuana smokers, for their part, have already shown (apart from that little matter known as the law) greater responsibility in their choice of drugs than those of us who choose alcohol.


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Norm Stamper is former chief of the Seattle Police Department, and an advisory board member of NORML and Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (LEAP). He is the author of Breaking Rank: A Top Cop's Exposé of the Dark Side of American Policing (Nation Books, 2005).

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Is it really so simple...
Posted by: cordas on Apr 22, 2009 12:32 AM   
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YES!

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An Emergency Physician's Perspective
Posted by: DrBrian on Apr 22, 2009 12:39 AM   
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Emergency physicians and nurses often end up shooting the breeze with cops in the wee hours of the morning, and every law officer, paramedic, and emergency department staff member I know agrees that stoners are a lot more tractable and pleasant to treat than drunks. They're generally quiet, submissive and undemanding, in contrast to the usually boisterous, violent and difficult alcoholics.

Furthermore, about 150,000 deaths a year are attributable to alcohol, and none to marijuana.

I tried pot as an adolescent and didn't like it. But for those who do, as long as they don't drive cars or operate machinery under the influence, to me it's a personal choice and not a matter for government regulation.

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» gateway to tobacco Posted by: susanh
» RE: gateway to tobacco Posted by: Lara1967
» RE: gateway to tobacco Posted by: linecrosser
» RE: gateway to tobacco Posted by: 32flavors
And we're (usually) more fun!
Posted by: we_need_Abe on Apr 22, 2009 2:11 AM   
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As a frequent user of both but neither to excess, my personal experience is that my desire to drink is often accompanied by poor decision making, whereas my toking is accompanied by a desire to chill and laugh. There's no comparison people! The war on drugs costs more $$ and probably more lives than even Iraq and Afghanistan - combined!!

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My experience
Posted by: linecrosser on Apr 22, 2009 2:23 AM   
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I've worked in shipyards all over, so I won't mention any ports or yards by name because, what I experienced was common to all. The time period might be important so lets say mid 80s to mid 90s,close enough. After lunch you pretty much had three types of workers, one who ate lunch, one who smoked his lunch, and one who drank his lunch. Those who ate tended to wanted to find a place to nap or hang in the print room and brown nose the bosses. Those who drank their lunch were dangerous to be around, and those who smoked their lunch, just wanted to get the job done and get home safely without blowing their high by screwing up on the job or getting hurt by someone who drank their lunch or spent to much time in the office to remember which way to turn a wrench. Personally, I wouldn't care if my pilot or surgeon did a couple of good bong hits before reporting to work. But hey, thats just me a daily smoker for almost forty years.

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» snap Posted by: cordas
» RE: snap Posted by: Sparks56
» RE: My experience Posted by: Sparks56
» RE: My experience Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: My experience Posted by: samba
» RE: My experience Posted by: Sparks56
Poll
Posted by: Sparks56 on Apr 22, 2009 3:07 AM   
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Years ago there was a news story about a poll taken among cops. The question was, "If your child was going to use one drug, of all the drugs available, including alcohol, and you got to pick that drug, what would it be?" 100% of those asked picked marijuana.
I hope we hear more from law-enforcement rank and file about the insanity of drug laws and marijuana laws in particular.

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» RE: Poll Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» Re:Poll Posted by: samba
» All smoke in not equal. Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: Poll Posted by: inanaturallight
» RE: Poll Posted by: mrmystery
» RE: Poll Posted by: Sparks56
» Teaching my kids Posted by: linecrosser
Time for legalization
Posted by: Kracke on Kauai on Apr 22, 2009 3:26 AM   
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Nothing new contained here, but it fortifies the argument for legalization. It's time, and there are many "closeted" pot smokers who are "coming out". As a long-term toker, I had a great career as a marketing executive, raised two kids, and have been comfortably retired since age 55 (I'm now 66)... yet I'm a criminal for smoking marijuana. Gimmeee a break!

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» RE: I will give you a life line Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: Time for legalization Posted by: Potbelly
in my salad days
Posted by: aislinnluv on Apr 22, 2009 4:39 AM   
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when i was a smoker and non-drinker, i noticed on those occasions when i had to drive after toking, that a jolt of adrenalin (which almost always seemed to occur when i got into the car and the realization hit that i was in jeopardy for having toked up) would "sober" me up pretty quickly. my ability to operate the vehicle was never impaired - au contraire, i was highly aware of everything going on around me.

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» RE: in my salad days Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» not worth the risk Posted by: techcafe
» RE: not worth the risk Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: in my salad days Posted by: bornxeyed
Likewise ...
Posted by: eeuropean2000 on Apr 22, 2009 5:03 AM   
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Likewise a lifelong toker here, with damage caused only by the fact that often it has been in the context of a blunt, i.e., marijuana together with tobacco. That is my own damn fault. But it is entirely true that never when high have I had an interest in punching someone, going out to rob someone, etc. I know, too, that when I'm drunk -- a state which I seek to avoid very thoroughly -- I can become obnoxious, indeed. The problem, of course, is that American social policy is essentially run by a cabal of nitwits. A politician who advocates pot legalization is a politician who lives in a heavily Democratic urban area. The yahoos who live in the "red states" don't care about data, they don't care about facts, they don't care about information, and they don't care about intelligence. But they will scream blue murder if someone suggests that pot is less problematic than their own moonshine or that it should be legalized. It is an immensely brave American politician who stands up to the dingbats of the NRA, and it has to be an immensely brave American politician who stands up to the dingbats of the "war on drugs." But I hope that it will be done sooner or later -- like other commentators on this post, I don't particularly relish the fact that I've broken the law most every day for the past 30 years or so. But I have done, and I haven't caused any harm or misery to anyone other than my own self. Add to this that legal cultivation of marijuana would mean quality control and improvement, as well as a bonanza of ching-ching cash money for the US treasury and what's not to like? Only those who are so thorough in their navel-gazing that they subscribe to the religious reich's idea that Americans should be as stupid as they possibly can be will object here. Sanity requires legalization.

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» RE: Likewise ... Posted by: luzmejor
» RE: Lauren Unruh, running for office Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» moldy Posted by: Bud
My own experience
Posted by: Ratskii on Apr 22, 2009 5:15 AM   
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While I would one hundred times rather ride with a stoned drive than with a drunk driver, I don't think stoned drivers are necessarily safe.

I've found that when I've been stoned and driving I do have trouble focusing on the right things and dealing with some of the complexities of traffic. Granted, I am aware of my limitation and do try to adjust for it. I also try to do that if I've been drinking and driving.

One question that is probably not easily answerable: Would full legalization of marijuana reduce drinking? From their lobbying efforts, I get the feeling that the alcohol industry believes it would.

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» RE: My own experience Posted by: AngryWhiteFemale
» RE: My own experience Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: My own experience - ditto Posted by: techcafe
» RE: My own experience - ditto Posted by: NotJesus
» hippie goofball Posted by: techcafe
» RE: My own experience Posted by: rimchamp77
» RE: My own experience Posted by: aussidawg
» RE: My own experience Posted by: bornxeyed
pyhrric defeat
Posted by: kenhymes on Apr 22, 2009 5:38 AM   
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Pyhrric defeat (a failure which has unintended "helpful" consequences) is a term coined by Craig Reinermann, author of The Rich Get Richer, the Poor Get Prison. His point is relevant here: it is not necessary to believe in active conspiracies to see that prohibition of marijuana, in its spectacular failure, serves the interests of multiple institutional actors. Private prisons, because it increases the market for their services. Pharmaceutical companies, because it creates a space for their gigantic and lucrative experiment in control of trauma and neurosis and pain through laboratory drugs (most far more dangerous than pot). Politicians, because it provides a mantle of toughness on "street culture" and "crime" which satisifes certain constituencies and distinguishes them from the perceived "softness" of liberal rivals. Psychiatrists and rehab centers (court-ordered and private), because it fuels the market for their services through referrals. Law enforcement administrators (pace the brave group whose advocacy is represented in the article) because of the link forged since the Reagan administration between drug arrests and federal support for local police budgets.

The point is that while we make the case for legalization, we must also unpack these unhealthy relationships, and bring understanding of them into a broader public view, otherwise we are going to be stick in the same loop for many years to come.

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» RE: pyhrric defeat Posted by: Sister_Lauren
Tell Obama: end prohibition and legalize marijuana
Posted by: greenferret on Apr 22, 2009 6:00 AM   
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Every year, marijuana prohibition puts thousands of Americans in prison for a nonviolent, victimless crime that the last three US presidents have all committed.

Tell Obama and your elected representatives that it's time to legalize and regulate marijuana.

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I've known this for years...
Posted by: henderson on Apr 22, 2009 6:08 AM   
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from back in the 70's when I was raising 4 teen-age children. When their friends who were on grass came in, they were polite, sat down, smiled, and listened to music & talked.

When their friends who were on alcohol came in, they were loud, agressive, and sometimes threw up before they got to the bathroom!

I always said I'd take grass over booze any day.

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» RE: I've known this for years... Posted by: Sister_Lauren
Pot & guns vs. alcohol & guns
Posted by: AMERICAN VETERAN on Apr 22, 2009 7:37 AM   
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For the hystrical anti-gunners;

How many gun crimes have been committed by stoners while having ONLY toked up vs.
drunks with guns?

I was a stoner wh also drank for most of my life.
I've been C & S for 26 years(May 1st).
When I drank, I was an abusive, rude, loud asshole.
When I was stoned WITHOUT any alcohol, I was mellow, friendly, funny and, as I was told, was good to be around.

So, what are the figures about stoners/guns vs. drunks/guns?

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» RE: I can offer imput to this one Posted by: thealltheone
» beer swilling trophy hunters Posted by: techcafe
elsuno
Posted by: elsuno on Apr 22, 2009 8:10 AM   
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At 71, I am all for legalizing marijuana.

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» RE: elsuno Posted by: Basenjis
most stoners drink alcohol and smoke weed at the same time
Posted by: mrmystery on Apr 22, 2009 8:15 AM   
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Most stoners I know get drunk while they're smoking weed. So I'd like to look at a report outlining what occurs when you mix both drugs. ...cause I know when I smoke weed and drink alcohol at the same time, the effect is pretty crazy.

I think this article is poorly written and reads more like a case to make alcohol illegal rather than to legalize weed.

I used to smoke a ton of reefer, but wouldn't really like it if my children began smoking weed because I know how lazy it makes people. I don't want my children to be lazy. I also want my children to be able to have dreams regularly which doesn't seem to happen when you're always stoned. I don't know what's right or wrong, but I think there's a lot of propaganda being written on both sides of this issue. I don't believe that weed is a "gateway" drug as some would like me to believe. But, I also don't believe that weed is completely harmless, which others would like me to believe.

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» Not so Posted by: Karina
» RE: Not so Posted by: mrmystery
» Cannabis achievers!! Posted by: Tom Tele
» RE: most stoners... Posted by: Bud
» Native Americans? Posted by: bornxeyed
To: LEAP, thanks!
Posted by: Bud on Apr 22, 2009 8:24 AM   
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The other day I saw where an Iowan Senator, Tom Latham (R-Rep) called the LEAP professionals "old pot heads" for their position on legalization of pot and of all drugs. Now I'm sure there are cops that use marijuana just like some drink. But to use the word “pot heads” to describe a group of people that stick their necks out to stop the carnage on our most peaceful people, it's just unfathomable!

So the first thing I did was to go to the LEAP website and join and make a donation. It wasn't much but it was the only thing I could think of doing that would settle my anger over such an ignorant statement. And this Latham guy thinks he's going to get re-elected? I lived in Iowa for 45 years and they may be semi-conservative but Iowans DONT LIKE BULLSHIT and they know how it smells.(No pun intended but hog poop is worse)

Mr. Norm Stamper, thank you for your work. We all want to be friends with OUR police again someday!

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» RE: 'Pothead' is the new 'nigger' Posted by: Sister_Lauren
» RE: 'Pothead' is natural Posted by: Lara1967
» Now that's just mean! Posted by: bornxeyed
» I worked for Stamper Posted by: billwald
Manure Toking
Posted by: nen on Apr 22, 2009 8:38 AM   
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I'd love to see pot legal, regulated, and run through some quality control! Let me tell you, hooboy! Some of the crap (literally) the folks around where I live smoke smells like burning poop! I don't know what they use for filler to make it smell like that but oh my god I wish they wouldn't!

I don't toke, personally, cause I never really had the interest. But I do enjoy walking through somewhere and smelling sweet, herby-smelling pot. It's actually a lovely scent. Kind of like incense. It makes me kind of sad when people screw it up with extra crap.

Haven't we learned anything from cigarette companies that stuff formaldehyde and crap in their smokes? I've smelled pure dried tobacco plant being burned (at a First Nations ceremony) and it smells quite nice! But being in an enclosed space with cigarette smoke will cause my throat to close and me to faint. Well folks, it's fairly safe for me to say it's not the plant, but the extra crap that I'm allergic to. I don't wanna see that sort of stuff done to sweet Mary Jane. Be it by a big corporation, or a cheap dealer.

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» RE: Manure Toking Posted by: Sister_Lauren
It's time to BULLDOZE Washington !!
Posted by: WYGunston on Apr 22, 2009 9:03 AM   
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Get rid of the god damn motherfucking government already ! It's not as if we the people are getting any fucking representation from either the Republicans or Democrats except for maybe a few good ones. When big government can be overthrown, then only will corporate america and social conservatism collapse and fast.

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» Interesting point! Posted by: bornxeyed
hypothetically speaking...
Posted by: mrmystery on Apr 22, 2009 9:19 AM   
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What if a poll was published that showed most parents with young children are overwhelmingly against legalizing weed. Would this poll have any effect on your opinion? I'm just curious.

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» RE: hypothetically speaking... Posted by: mrmystery
» RE: hypothetically speaking... Posted by: mrmystery
» Thetically speaking... Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: Thetically speaking... Posted by: hughesrg
» Another odd point... Posted by: bornxeyed
» RE: just an observation Posted by: thealltheone
» RE: hypothetically speaking... Posted by: Lara1967
» RE: hypothetically speaking... Posted by: techcafe
» non-hypothetically speaking... Posted by: bornxeyed
Had a job interview yesterday.....
Posted by: tvaspen on Apr 22, 2009 9:20 AM   
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.....went through the whole thing, it went well, I am more than qualified for the position. At the end of the interview I was asked if I would submit to a background check and drug screen, I said yes. Now as an off and on marijuana user for over 38 years I know I can abstain from use whenever and however long I need to to gain employment. But no time during the interview was I asked if I was an alcohol, perscription drug or tobacco user. As we all know, drug screening only really points out pot use, this is so utterly hypocritical, but all I could do was bite my tongue and submit. It is very stressfull to be in your fifties and looking for employment, the anxiety is difficult, I could go out and drink myself into oblivion to dull the pain and I would still be hired for the position. But if I took a one hitter, no chance. This is indeed a fucked up society.

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Alcohol damages the next generation too
Posted by: stellabloo on Apr 22, 2009 9:39 AM   
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And I'm not referring to Adult Children of Alcoholics either. At least 1 in 100 kids is afflicted by FAS (fetal alcohol syndrome) or FASD (fetal alcohol spectrum disorder). Kids born with these conditions face a lifetime of learning disabilities and impaired social and emotional development. A child - or adult - with severe FAS is unable to distinguish between right and wrong and is incognizant of the consequences of wrongdoing.

Marijuana, according to the Merck Index - the pharmaceutical reference standard for the medical establishment - is non-tetragenic. NON-TETRAGENIC, people. It does not cross the placental barrier until late during pregnancy and is not known to cause birth defects.

In addition, Dr. Melanie Deher has extensively studied the use of marijuana by Jamaican women and its effect on their children. The abstract is posted on the US government site:

Five-year follow-up of rural Jamaican children whose mothers used marijuana during pregnancy.

But in an interesting article on a medical marijuana site, Dreher talks about how her research has been virtually ignored, as have all other findings that contradict official policies.

DREHER'S JAMAICAN PREGNANCY STUDY - More Suppression of Marijuana Research

Marijuana has been a part of human culture for thousands of years. The original version of 1001 Arabian Nights, for example, is scattered with references to Sinbad regaling the Sultan with his adventures while they consume enough hash to "stone a small elephant". At the turn of the last century there were 600 hash houses in NY alone and Lydia Pinkham's Vegetable (as in marijuana) Tonic for Feminine Complaint was the #1 ladies' drug of choice. This was not what the prohibitions were railing against in the 1920's. It took only a generation saturated with yellow journalism for our culture to forget everything we ever knew about marijuana. We have become guinea pigs of the corporation, perfect consumer rats. Enquiring minds need to question EVERYTHING.

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» RE: I smoked Posted by: thealltheone
» Yep Posted by: TerryW4
Lightening it up a little. . .
Posted by: NYmediator on Apr 22, 2009 9:50 AM   
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OK, Sister Lauren wants to know why pot is illegal.

Two theories, both probably true. First Brian on last Sunday's Family Guy hit on William Hearst's fear that hemp would replace wood as the main source of paper products and Hearst had a controlling interest in lumber-paper production.

The second was that pot was the drug of choice for Mexicans in the US southwest and to get to them, you criminalize their main source of personal recreation. Pot was also used by other minorities in the US and was associated with jazz culture.

Other theories:

There was also the recently liberated (from prohibition) booze lobby in the mid-30s that didn't need any sudden competition. Having lost the battle to prohibit alcohol, the bluenoses saw one thing they could criminalize that was not yet in wide mainstream usage.

In short, it was a perfect storm of self-interested powerful people who used the power of film to carry along public opinion. And yet, they still allowed hemp to be grown for use in WW2.

OK, now on the lighter side (and speaking of Family Guy):

http://tinyurl.com/cpc4fv

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Legalize Marijuana for Adults in California
Posted by: ab390 on Apr 22, 2009 10:44 AM   
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If you live in California and favor legalization of marijuana for adults, tell your state representatives to support California Assembly Bill 390. Visit yes390.org

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re-instate alcohol Prohibition!
Posted by: Tom Tele on Apr 22, 2009 10:49 AM   
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c'mon we only tried to ban alcohol for less than 15 years and quit. Are we a nation of quitters? We have had other drugs banned for 100years and marijuana since the 30's. Those who oppose legalizing marijuana must also believe that it was a mistake to repeal Prohibition. To believe otherwise would be, philosophically inconsistent and nobody would want to be that hypocritical now, would they?

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Thank you!
Posted by: WyrdSister on Apr 22, 2009 11:58 AM   
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this is what i have been telling people for years! its great to hear it being spoken by others and coming from the law-enforcement side of things, is a definate plus.

Peace

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If pot is so great
Posted by: edddd on Apr 22, 2009 1:48 PM   
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Say what you wish but there are many, many people that can't handle and abuse pot and or boooze especially the young

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» RE: If pot is so great Posted by: hughesrg
yanaar
Posted by: context on Apr 22, 2009 4:46 PM   
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If a cop were stuck with an uncontrollable person out in the boonies, and had only two sedation choices: (1) give the guy a drink, or (2) give the guy some pot. Which would be chosen?

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» RE: yanaar Posted by: germinator
Marijuana is much safer.
Posted by: billdake@sbcglobal.net on Apr 22, 2009 6:54 PM   
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I remember a Christmas Eve driving in a big hurry to get Liquor before they closed at 2pm and seeing a stop sign on the too of each block of this San Francisco Hill and intending to stop took my foot off the gas, but before I could brake I noticed that I am flying past the Stop Sign and already on the next block. I thought "well I'll stop for the next one" and the same thing would happen. That Buick Roadmaster got me to the top of the hill and the booze. In the tavern the realization of what had happened hit me, yet I felt the short 10 minute stop somehow gave me time to sober up. I cannot now remember how I got back to the party. All the above is typical of Alcohol Abuse.

15 years later I tried pot and liked the fact that I am more aware of my condition and exercise better judgement. That trip in the Buick would never have happened on grass. Thank God no one was killed.

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Hot damn . . .
Posted by: Will Miller on Apr 22, 2009 10:11 PM   
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Never smoked pot. Was offered a joint in the '60's while on active duty and declined. The reason has always been the same, alcohol use to excess gives one the heaves and a hang over; knowing that I couldn't handle that much of a burden I didn't think it was prudent to add another drug to the mix.

From the response from the stoners it sounds like I should have taken the joint and skipped the booze.

BTW, the gateway drug is a cigarette. Teaches the youth that adults aren't serious about the prohibition against their smoking so it goes with the flow that booze, marijuana, and harder drugs can follow with virtual impunity.

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» RE: Hot damn . . . Posted by: hughesrg
Been There, Done Both
Posted by: 1rufus1 on Apr 23, 2009 12:42 AM   
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I grew up in the mid 70's. Both alcohol and pot (and anything else for that matter) was readily available. The drinking age was 18 and usually if you were at least 16 you could get beer anyway without showing ID at the right places. The biggest difference I noticed was the aggressive factor between pot and booze. Drinking tended to develop in me a more violent nature and I lost my common sense. I became more bold. Pot smoking gave me an easy going, just-have-fun nature. Even when doing both at the same time, the usual alcohol consumption dropped in volume because of the more preferable THC high. I eventually gave up drinking almost 100% and solely smoked pot.I smoked pot until I was 40 and only quit because of work related random drug testing. I have lived a normal life. Raised a family and performed well at my high paying job. I think about smoking a joint every now and then, but I can't risk losing my job. I am in my 50's now and I have seen through the years the pain and loss of alcohol abuse. I am glad I did not choose that path. The only pain and suffering I have heard of caused by marijuana is jail and job loss. If society would decriminilize pot and stop drug testing of pot in the workplace, those problems would be eliminated. I for one chose pot and never regretted it.

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Pot Makes Me Angry
Posted by: jaguarxjs on Apr 23, 2009 7:28 AM   
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That's why I don't smoke it, it gives me cotton mouth and then makes me angry. I don't see what's so great about it.

On the other hand I'm a very friendly drunk.

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May 2, 2009 PhillyNORML - 2009 Global Cannabis March
Posted by: aahpat on Apr 23, 2009 2:11 PM   
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The 2009 Global Cannabis March, or Philadelphia Cannabis Festival, will be taking place on Saturday May 2, 2009. The event is still being planned, so more information will be posted as it becomes available. The GCM is an annual event that brings out hundreds of supporters, patients, and onlookers. It's an excellent opportunity to show just how popular legalization is, and to have a lot of fun. In 2008 we had our biggest one yet with over 400 people. This year we hope to top 1,000. Check back often for updates!

Saturday, May 2, 2009
Meet at Broad St. and South St. at 3:30 - 4:00pm
March towards Headhouse Square at 4:20pm
Arrive at Headhouse Square by 5:20pm
Speeches - done by 6:30pm

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Thank god.
Posted by: tahnilw19 on Apr 23, 2009 2:44 PM   
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What a relief. You really said it all! I've been looking for an article to use for a project I’m doing for school about Marijuana vs. Alcohol and you nailed every angle I'm looking for!
I agree 100% with every word written here.
Because you’re absolutely right!
Now I too am going to further look into becoming apart of NORML!

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Alcohol abusers are dangerous
Posted by: orwellturns on Apr 26, 2009 3:32 PM   
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In my youth I was a cocktail waitress at rock n' roll clubs. In the many years I did that I could write a whole book to tell you how much trouble drunks could be, NEVER once did I have a problem with a pot smoker. In those days we actually smoked almost openly in clubs. All stoners wanted to do is love you to death and laugh uncontrollably.
I do believe though that people that are working with machinery or flying the plane I'm on, or manning a nuclear plant, should not be under ANY substances that affects their motor or mental skills.
Keeping drugs illegal makes HUGE profits for the producers, pushers, criminal justice conglomerates for them to let us legalize and control abuse.

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Alcoholics Detoxing Vs. Pot Smokers
Posted by: addict on May 1, 2009 3:23 AM   
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As part of my job I regularly visit, rate and review alcohol rehabs like these and I can tell you first hand watching true alcoholics detox and go through withdrawals is horrible... watching the worst of the worst of the worst "pot addicts" go through the same process is so f'ing tame and uneventful it's on the complete polar opposite end of the spectrum. These are vastly different substances and marijuana is the lesser of two evils to say the least.

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Alcohol 5 Times Deadlier than All Illegal Drugs Combined! (Part 1)
Posted by: FiddleMan on May 6, 2009 11:08 AM   
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Annual Causes of Death in the United States

Tobacco -435,000
Poor Diet and Physical Inactivity - 365,000
Alcohol - 85,000
Microbial Agents - 75,000
Toxic Agents - 55,000
Motor Vehicle Crashes -26,347
Adverse Reactions to Prescription Drugs -32,000
Suicide - 30,622
Incidents Involving Firearms - 29,000
Homicide - 20,308
Sexual Behaviors - 20,000
All Illicit Drug Use, Direct and Indirect - 17,000
Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs Such As Aspirin - 7,600
Marijuana - 0

(This Table and all Table Sources are found at: Drug War Facts)

Alcohol and Tobacco:
Total Alcohol and Tobacco Deaths per Year (U.S. Only): 520,000 deaths – over one-half million dead Americans.

“All Illicit Drug Use, Direct and Indirect” Deaths per Year (U.S. Only): 17,000 deaths
All Illicit Drug Use, Direct and Indirect (yes, this would include Methamphetamines, Cocaine, Crack, Heroin, etc. - all hard drugs and soft drugs - all illegal drugs) deaths compared to the annual deaths caused just by Alcohol and Tobacco. 17,000 (All illegal drugs) / 520,000 (Alcohol & Tobacco) = 0.03269. This means that all illegal drug use put together is less than 03.27% as harmful as Alcohol and Tobacco use. Wow!

Deaths per year caused by the two legal drugs, Alcohol and Tobacco, are over 30 times more than all illegal drugs combined! Even with 30 times the total number of hard drug users in the U.S. the death rate would still be lower than the annual U.S. Alcohol and Tobacco death rate!

Now let’s look at just the deaths due to Alcohol: 85,000 deaths. 17,000 (All illegal drugs) / 85,000 (Alcohol) = 0.2. This means that all illegal drug use combined is only 20% as harmful as Alcohol use. So - Alcohol accounts for 5 times more deaths per year than all illegal drugs combined! Wow again! - Put that in your beer mug and drink it! So when you hear a Drug Warrior say that “Legalizing Cannabis sends the Wrong Message to our children” – “The Message” that they are really telling our children is that (when the children reach legal age) they will NOT be allowed to use a safe recreational drug like Cannabis but they Will be allowed to use Alcohol as a recreational drug, even though legal alcohol kills 5 times more people per year than Methamphetamines, Cocaine, Crack, Heroin and all of the worst illegal drugs combined! But - Alcohol is Legal, therefore it is ok! –Duh!

Now let’s look at Cannabis.
For those who do not know, Cannabis is the genus name for the very common plant that Harry Anslinger called “Marijuana”, so that he could confuse/trick the public into thinking that Cannabis was some new type of dangerous drug as well as to use racism in quest for criminalization back in the 30’s. (I refuse to use Harry Anslinger’s derogatory terminology)

Total Cannabis Deaths throughout All of Recorded History (Worldwide): 0!!!. Usage of Cannabis (Marijuana) has never killed anybody –ever!
Hmm, we can’t even get a percentage of Cannabis Deaths (0) compared to Alcohol and Tobacco Deaths (85,000) since Cannabis has never ever killed anybody can we?

So - Alcohol and Tobacco kill over a half million Americans in one year and Cannabis has never killed anybody (in the whole world – ever), yet we allow the U.S. Government to support the Alcohol and Tobacco industry while they arrest us, put us in cages and steal our homes/cars/money for using Cannabis - a safe alternative to Alcohol?

The Pharmaceutical Industry also “pushes” many extremely deadly poisons that could easily be replaced by Cannabis and Cannabis Derived Drugs. “Adverse Reactions to Prescription Drugs” kill around twice as many people per year as “All Illicit Drug Use Combined” – and Cannabis use has never killed anyone!

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Alcohol 5 Times Deadlier than All Illegal Drugs Combined! (Part 2)
Posted by: FiddleMan on May 6, 2009 11:13 AM   
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I wonder how many people die yearly from Alcohol and Tobacco who would prefer Cannabis instead? Cannabis is a completely safe alternative to Alcohol. Alcohol almost killed me. I would love to use Cannabis as a substitute for the deadly drug Alcohol! The problem is that I live in a country where Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness is NOT possible – I live in the United States of America - Freedom is NOT an option here. The American public is completely terrorized by the U.S. DEA.

Terrorism is, most simply, policy intended to intimidate or cause terror. It is more commonly understood as an act which (1) is intended to create fear (terror), (2) is perpetrated for an ideological goal (as opposed to a materialistic goal or a lone attack), and (3) deliberately targets (or disregards the safety of) non-combatants. (Wikipedia)

Therefore, the U.S. DEA, who break into peoples homes, incarcerate people for exercising their Constitutional Freedom to use Cannabis as a safe alternative to Alcohol (or even as medicine), revoke student aids, separate families, cost people their jobs, take their driving privileges, take their homes, take their right to vote, and
kill family pets, are indeed Terrorists!

The U.S. - with 5% of the world’s population - cages 25% of the world’s population caged population. Notice that I didn’t say 25% of the world’s criminals. Many of the people who are kept in cages should not be. Many people who are forced to live in cages and suffer the brutality of the American Prison System are otherwise law abiding citizens who have simply exercised their Constitutional Right of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

It is up to us – “We the People” to change this horrible condition that has been inflicted upon us by our own government! We need to join together and force our government to allow us the freedoms that our forefathers promised us in the Constitution. We need our government to dismantle the U.S. supported and funded American Terrorism Group also known as the U.S. DEA. We the People are PAYING for our own Terrorization! We support this horror with our own taxes! We want to support the U.S. with our taxes, but we do NOT want to fund government-supported American Terrorist Groups such as the DEA.

There are a multitude of other great reasons to Legalize Cannabis…
A few of the list headings are:
Medical
Fiber
Nutrition
Chemical
Ecological
Recreational
Taxation
There are many items under each of these headings - I don't have the space here to list them!

Cannabis must be legalized to make all of this happen. Legalization is also mandatory to properly regulate Cannabis. Once Cannabis is legal, and purchasing it is made legal, then controls can be put into place so that only adults can purchase it (like Alcohol today). If a product is illegal, then it must be purchased by illegal means and therefore can not be regulated.

Inform Yourself! There are many internet sites that can help you to educate yourself on this topic.
Please support the Legalization of Cannabis!
Please don’t hide – come out of the closet – we need you!
Be Active – Be Vocal – do not let the terrorists win – We Can Do This!

Legalize Cannabis Now!

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