Prohibition must either end, or continue.

What will we gain by moving this beneficient plant from the role of "illegal" to the role of "controlled"?

Cannabis is NOT tobacco.

For one its uses and strains are much more diverse.

For another, its cultivation is much easier and simpler.

I am a strong supporter of NORML and I can see the logic of this writer's position.

But, in my view, cannabis will either be as normal and multivaried as apples, tomatoes, or berries, or it will be stifled.

Therefore the only possible approach is to advocate for its complete Legalization.

Either prohibition of this crop ends, or it doesn't.

Incrementalism is a "false-path" when it comes to this particular "issue".

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is that the anti-pot legislation is about controlling the smokers, not the smokes... while legitimating gigantic pay-offs for members of the enforcement-incarceration industry, and providing them with endless practice opportunities for improving their skill-sets.

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Why do we pay farmers to leave fields fallow?

I'd pay a tax to make it legal!

Think of the $$$ saved in the penial system - hmmm maybe that is it - ever met a lawyer who would like to see pot legalized?

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We have no borders,we are going to legitimize illegal immigration, we have fiat money, we go to war for the idiots not for our country, and someone expects DC to listen to reasons for legalization of cannabis?

What part of "We the People is only a term" don't you understand?

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Arrests for pot and other substance possession will continue as long as our society continues to be controlled by criminals. How else is the government going to keep feeding the prison-industrial complex with such easy victims?

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military spending, tax cuts and loopholes for the wealthy/corporate elite, "free" trade scams, oversubidizing Big Agri especially on corn, oversubsidizing Big Oil/Coal and Auto and that's even before the bailout's coming, and phoney bailouts for Wall $treet even when it already has sucked out more than enough taxpayer money to financial mug Main Street to name a few. And I would have been called a reasonable conservative in 1979 and not a liberal.

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As an educator, I often see the materials given out to students about the harms of drugs. These materials misrepresent and inflate the harms done by pot smoking. That great Marijuana Lie causes young people to disregard the real harms of other substances. Legalize pot. Tax it. Use the funds to support treatment programs for addicts.

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A pamphlet entitled "10 Things Every Parent, Teenager and Teacher Should Know About Marijuana" produced by the Family Council on Drug Awareness tells us marijuana is not physically addictive. The 1980 Costa Rican study, the 1975 Jamaican study and the 1972 Nixon Blue Ribbon Report all concluded that marijuana use does not lead to physical dependency. The FBI reports that 65 to 75 percent of criminal violence is alcohol-related. On the other hand, Federal Bureau of Narcotics director Harry Anslinger testified before Congress in 1948 that marijuana leads to nonviolence and pacifism.

In a message to Congress on August 2, 1977, President Jimmy Carter insisted: "Penalties against possession of a drug should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself."

Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) Law Judge Francis L. Young wrote on September 8, 1988: "Nearly all medicines have toxic, potentially lethal effects. But marijuana is not such a substance. There is no record in the extensive medical literature describing a proven, documented cannabis-induced fatality Marijuana, in its natural form, is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man."

After years of suppression by the government, the truth about medical marijuana is finally coming out. Dr. Tod Mikuriya, former director of marijuana research for the entire federal government, wrote in 1996: "I was hired by the government to provide scientific evidence that marijuana was harmful. As I studied the subject, I began to realize that marijuana was once widely used as a safe and effective medicine. But the government had a different agenda, and I had to resign."

Tobacco kills about 430,700 each year. Alcohol and alcohol-related diseases and injuries kill about 110,000 per year. Secondhand tobacco smoke kills about 50,000 every year. Aspirin and other anti-inflammatory drugs kill 7,600 each year. Cocaine kills about 500 yearly alone, and another 2,500 in combination with another drug. Heroin kills about 400 yearly alone, and another 2,500 in combination with another drug. Adverse reactions to prescription drugs total 32,000 per year, while marijuana kills no one.

A November 4, 2002 Time/CNN Poll found that eighty percent of those polled felt marijuana should be legal only for therapeutic purposes. 72 percent felt recreational users should get fines rather than jail time, which is essentially decriminalization. The complete legalization of marijuana was favored only by 34 percent of respondents, but this figure is twice as large as it was in 1986. Marijuana is safer than alcohol and tobacco, and our drug laws should reflect this reality.

According to a 2003 Zogby poll, two of every five Americans say “the government should treat marijuana the same way it treats alcohol: It should regulate it, control it, tax it, and only make it illegal for children.” Close to 100 million Americans, including over half of those between the ages of 18 and 50, have tried marijuana at least once. Military and police recruiters often have no alternative but to ignore past marijuana use by job seekers.

Rufus King, a Washington, DC lawyer who has served on the President's Commission on Law Enforcement and the Administration of Justice, calls the drug war, “A worthless crusade.” According to King, drug use is a social problem, not a law enforcement problem. He observes: “Cigarette use is declining through changes in cultural values in the population. Like most smokers and alcoholics, most users of illegal drugs poison themselves because they want to be intoxicated. No human force can do them much good until they want help.” King is optimistic that the current anti-drug hysteria will subside, and responsible and reasonable drug law policies will be adopted.

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Drug Free Workplace....at very least marijuana should be removed from the screening list for this horrible program that keeps users unemployed when it can. What justice is to be had by keeping a pothead from obtaining a job making as little 6 or 7 bucks an hour? I feel this shows just how irrational and spiteful drug policies are in this country. Heaven forbid someone forgets to put cheese on your burger, better to make sure they stay completely unemployed to avoid any problems. Granted, the solution as I've found is to quit entirely when necessary to get a job, and there are masking and detox methods available. But the point is that it's just unnecessary.
I relate an actual scenario where this may have a use in the issue of safety, because obviously ToysRUs associates and gas station cashiers pose no threat, even if they were blazed on the job. Refineries(Exxon, Shell) routinely random test the operators for the usual slate of drugs. Understandable here, as they can make mistakes that cost millions, and potentially lives are at risk. But here's the issue. Marijuana hangs out in your system for a while. You may not have smoked for a month, maybe it was the first time you smoked in 20 years and you don't intend to do it again. Monday morning, you and another employee are picked to go for a screening. You are sober like a fox, while the other guy went out drinking until 4 in the morning and is still shaking off the afterglow, maybe he even went on a coke binge on his off days, maybe both. The coke is out of his system in 3 days, the alcohol's metabolized in hours, but his cognitive functions and judgement remain entirely and thoroughly impaired. You get fired, he gets to go back to work. Justice? Is the refinery safer?

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What is the reason that we need to reduce the numbers of folks who smoke marijuana? It is basically a non-leathal, non-addictive, substance that has never killed anyone. Where is the threat?

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Not all people have voluntarily quit. The anti-smoking taliban have been on a quest worthy of The Fugitive.

Figure this out:

In almost all states I can put a 4-year old on a 4 wheeler and not be charged with anything (child endangerment, etc), but I can be charged for lighting up in a tobacco shop.

Thanks to Bloomberg and other anti-smoking taliban, in New York you are free to inhale Diesel fumes full of known carcinogens, but I cannot smoke outside.

I'll spare you the litany, but the push has gone way too far. BTW- If health is what you are interested in, notice that the obesity problem exploded at the same time smoking decreased. Dying of a heart attack caused by obesity isn't any better than a heart attack caused by smoking.

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I know of at least two different greenhouses that:

1. Don't use fossil fuel at all, and

2. You can't see inside them from the street or from a helicopter.

Are they growing tomatoes inside, pot, or half and half? What's a narc going to do?

Currently you might possibly guess basement grower rooms by their heat signature or by electricity use, but these greenhouses don't use wattage.

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Here's a great idea from Michigan NORML:

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Make this pledge:

Every day I'll send a pinpoint message to the Obama transition web site until the day he is president.

Every day I'll find one more person that will take this pledge.

This is the site:

http://change.gov/page/s/ofthepeople

in the blank "another issue" put in:
marijuana legal reform

This is the comment to enter:
Order rescheduling hearings for marijuana on day one.

Check no other issue. If you wish to vote on another issue, go to the site a second time. This will send one single clear message.

One people, one voice.

End it now!

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On Taboo it shows people in other countries who smoke it on a regular basis tend to reject work, society and family. America worships youth and beauty and values PRODUCTION above all.

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Why the hell are tobacco and alcohol legal while marijuana is treated like cocaine and heroin? What a crock.

ALL of them can ruin lives--or take them outright--when abused. How is weed more dangerous then drinking with all the drunk driving deaths every year? Or smoking tobacco more acceptable when both contain carcinogens and both can ruin your lungs?

I want an all-or-none approach to these three "rec drugs". There's no logic behind quarantining one and condoning the others. Either stop the "scourge" and ban them all, or regulate weed like the others. Personally, I think the latter makes a hell of a lot more sense--and heaven knows they need the tax money right now.

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tabacco can be grown at home. For a another look take a look at: http://epiphanypoint.wordpress.com/

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Thanks Paul, but seriously, I hope you realize the Ganjawar is on purpose, for profits and control. Trying to disprove nonsense is as tricky as trying to predict what will confuse the public and therefore needs censorship. Nothing, but thats another story.

Let's not become reefer mad republicans over tobacco! Cigarettes are the problem, not tobacco. Native Americans, Egyptians and Turks, etc., have all used organic tobacco for hundreds and even thousands of years. No problem mon. Just since the 20's and American adulterations causing the cancers, nerve and organ damage. From the very same Tom Delay chemical corporations spreading poisons over the farmlands of America. Subsidiaries of the Pharmaceuticals, seem they get ya coming and going. Major Drug War Brokers and Lobbyists.

Same chemicals used on many Ganja and Hemp synthetic alternatives forced upon the market as they forced prohibition on the people. 90 million pounds on US cotton, not my hemp blue jeans. Tons on the 12# of grain for each pound of exported meat. Not on hempseed. Rx Ganja and Booze Inc. need no mention as most know their rabid reefer madness fear of competition. Add the Casino's afraid stoners would just stay home and not throw their paychecks into one armed bandits. The fossil fools knowing any of their poison hydrocarbons can be replaced by carbohydrates and Hemp has the most versatility to do the job.

From textiles to plastic to lubrication, paints and without much if any chemicals to grow it. Pesticides based in crude oil can be based in veggie oil too. Farmers vs Bush Laden's OPECers. Paper and wood instead of clear cutting old growth forests. But I know Wallstreet has it's Enron ethics and scruples to prevent scandle, and that Free Speech media we have would never cover up their owners creative book keeping or why we've killed 4000+ kids fighting for Haliburdon and Dyncorps... Mission Accomplished. So why would they lie about Ganja and Hemp?

Arno's Corporatism
Ganja/Hemp "The Other White Meat"
Wall street's Spontaneous Abortionists

Tobacco "Products" sold with hundreds of chemicals, not in tobacco, the nontaxable vegetable. Only by "changing it" into a man made fabrication can the politikans get taxes. Flame retardants and burn enhancers added... ya think lighting them and sucking up the smoke might be detrimental to health? Wonder why it's never mentioned? Another ends justifying means? Get prohibition at any cost or rather at any profits and taxes. Nothing ever mentioned. Just go along with the false comparisons the same as Education Ax Souder or Waldo Pee propaganda. What is the point, too outlaw tobacco? Still just lies.

Nicotine in tobacco is a small amount and not a problem to health.
It may be addictive but that's about it. Used for Leaves are being tested for Parkinson treatment. The papers and filters and flavors and colors for Ronnie Rayguns smoking pleasure. All chemical additions, not in tobacco and certainly not added to Ganja. Now or forever I hope. No comparison.

The Liberal prohibitionists are only hurting the poor. Raising the prices of "cigarettes" so they can only afford the generic brands. Cheaper floor sweepings with even more chemicals and even more damage down the road and even more expense for tax payers. Who gripe about a $100 of food stamps going to someone but nothing about the $35,000.00 to incarcerate them for stealing food. We're still our own worse enemy. Politikops just take advantage of it.

Organic Cannabis/Tobacco vs Chemical Cigarettes 01/11/02

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Prohibition is the addiction and the disease, that is our fight, not imitating Fascists substituting products. I've smoked camel straights since 67, Ganja since 69. As an expectorant and lung cleaner I would advise any use of tobacco "products" be in conjunction with Ganja. The Ganja has kept me healthy from the cigarettes, and the cigarettes keep me from coughing on the chronic. Unfortunately a hazard of prohibition and nosey neighbors. Excessive coughing as probable cause? Hey it's the Ganjawar. Last year the X-rays showed no damage. Probably smaller lung capacity for long distance running, but I'm not a Buffalo. I have machines for that.
Go figure...
Peace, Love and Liberty or the Merchants of DEAth!
DdC

Cannabis Less Risky Than Alcohol/Tobacco, Says Report 03/15/02

Cancer risk in relation to radioactivity in tobacco 01/11/02

Tobacco Radioactive, Pot Safer! 12/07/00

CANNABIS AND TOBACCO 06/14/00

Costa Cannabis Test Tobacco vs Cannabis 07/02/00
http://endingcannabisprohibition.yuku.com/forums/12

"Users in our matched-pair sample smoked marijuana in addition to as many tobacco cigarettes as did their matched non-using pairs. Yet their small airways were, if anything, a bit healthier than their matches. We must tentatively conclude either that marijuana has no harmful effect on such passages or that it actually offers some slight protection against harmful effects of tobacco smoke"
Cannabis in Costa Rica:
A Study of Chronic Marijuana Use; Institute of Human Issues.

Happy seniors...

Ann Coulter Nude!

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Obama presents himself as a post-ideology pragmatist. He isn't from the Left or the Right; he just supports what works.

If that's so, he will stop Plans Mexico and Colombia, which have resulted in billions of dollars of military aid to corrupt and brutal governments and militaries.

These failed approaches to the 'war on drugs' have increased human rights abuses, displaced 4 million people, while increasing the acres under coca cultivation and exports.

Obama should move towards decriminalization while recognizing that drug abuse is a public health issue.

He can examine reports commissioned by the U.S. military that RAND Corporation conducted 15 years ago, finding that demand reduction (i.e. treatment and education) is 23 times more effective (i.e. less costly way of shrinking drug demand/markets for criminal syndicates) than military aid packages like Plan Colombia and Mexico.

www.witnessforpeace.org/article.php?id=502

www.friendsofbradwill.org

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Hitler stopped smokers too. Then he took their weapons. Then he killed them.

I don't smoke pot and while I'm not saying it is good, it is not as bad a alcohol. Then again, the male plant, Heaven forbid, could reduce TPTBs hold on us.

Also, isn't the CDC the ones that decided that nature just wasn't working fast enough in mutating bird flu (HN51), so they helped.

Psst..........think about it.

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many years the tobaccocompanies advertised and brainwashed the people.
Now when marihuana is legalised the Weedcorporatins will do thesame again.

accept medicalmarihuana
grow your own weed
accept smoking is no subject to legal action.
stop making any human action a PROFIT vehicle.

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Pot users are a random selection of the general population - except for the use of pot, there is no identifying characteristic of a pot user. Pot users aren't stupider, smarter, richer, poorer, crazier, or sicker than anybody else. Perhaps disappointingly, they are JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.

All this baloney about taxing and restricting sales to minors may seem sensible to you but only because they have framed the argument to tolerate their intrusion where no intrusion belongs.

Making pot illegal is much like making it criminal to wear brown hair: what's the point? Brown hair does not predict otherwise criminal behavior and causes no one material harm - and neither does use of pot.

How do I know? It's been studied. Thoroughly.

Aren't we supposed to be a free people? If we can't protect our trivial choices, then where will we be when the really important ones are on the line?

Isn't it time for us to say "I may not approve of your choice of drugs, but I defend to the death your right to use them!"

The world will be a better place for it: richer, safer, and more fun too!

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is to legalize and regulate. It doesn't require a mental giant to figure this out. But when there is a great deal of entrenched money involved good sense takes a back seat.

We need to clear up the idea of a "victimless crime". My suspicion is that if there is no victim, there is no crime. We need to decide what laws that we will never be able to enforce and decriminalize them.

Keeping alcohol legal allows regulation. Many would argue that we regulate it badly. The regulation intends to limit access for the very young. It would probably be better if we could limit access to alcohol, tobacco, and street drugs to the very young. It seems to me that those that started smoking later in life have an easier time getting off of tobacco.

In the final analysis we are going to legalize drugs. It is not a matter of whether. It is a matter of when. Much of the civilized world has already relaxed. I am embarrassed at our incivility.

The civilized world has softened its view of prostitution. You will note that Jesus Christ did that. At times Nevada amazes me. Some of their old men were smart enough not to try to stop that that cannot be stopped.

They never did do speed limits. It was the tyrant Nixon that imposed them. I sure am glad he is dead. Oh, I forget I'm not supposed to speak ill of the dead. That seems a foolish notion.

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resell a portion of the drugs that they confiscate is quite large. Perhaps the police should be paying us instead of us paying them. When they resell the drugs, we should ask for a cut. They should be paying us for the right to steal and resell drugs. They are the last ones to want street drugs legalized.

Just think of all of the people that would loose money. There are the local policemen, the county attorneys, the county judges, the county sheriffs, the sheriffs deputies, the state drug agents, the federal drug agents, and I'm sure I have missed some. Then you have all, of the people in the drug business itself. At the top are the financiers. They finance the wholesale purchases. Texas rumor has it that the Bush family has occasionally indulged. Then there are the packagers and the unpackagers. Some concealment is required. Then there is the matter of money laundry. The street people actually work cheap.

This was the Clinton approach. Catch them for tax evasion. Its the Al Capone gambit.

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How much can uncle Same make from the regulated sale and taxation of pot? About $250 million a week.

50 million quarters sold for $50 each, with a 10% tax rate comes to 5*50 million, or $250 million each week.

That is roughly $13 billion a year.

It might sound like a lot, but the sad fact is that 13 billion is merely a drop in the bucket compared to how much the bankers make off of the war on pot! I doubt $13 billion would even cover the cost of the prison beds for the evil devil weed smokers.

In reality, they would need to tax each quarter ounce bag of pot at least $100 in order for it to be worth it for the elite banking criminals to end the war on herb.

Marijuana criminalization is an economic stimulus that is roughly equivalent to about $10 dollars per joint. Yes per joint. When you add up all the contributions the drug war makes to GDP, that's about what it comes down to, being conservative. Dont forget that without the marijuana aspect of the drug war, there would simply be no way to justify the massive funding to fight a war on cocaine/crack/meth. They need that pot in there to disguise all the graft. It comes out to at least $10 a joint.

The US consumes about 500 million joints each week. That is 2.5 billion dollars a week. Or about $130 billion a year. (Plus or minus 30 billion) The drug war adds much more than this to GDP, possibly as much as 10 times more. So like I said I'm being conservative with the $10 joint estimate. Without marijuana, I guarantee that the drug war would contribute at least $130 billion per year less to the GDP. That is why the war on pot cannot end until America ends, or rather goes through fundamental change. The system is much further gone than most people realize...

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You really have to wonder sometimes if the Drug Reform Organizations, (e.g., NORML, DPA, MPP) are more interested in keeping their jobs than actually "reforming" the Marijuana laws. Though I do agree with the author about the need to Legalize I don't think broad taxes are the answer. Over the years I have come up with what I call the MERP Model. I think this is a much better model and we need to pressure these organizations to support its implementation. Read more about my ideas and MERP through the links below:

Drug Policy
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Marijuana: Past, Present and Future from Bruce Cain on Vimeo.
http://www.vimeo.com/2056650

Why Lou Dobbs Should Support Marijuana Legalization
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VKf5YfQb7s&

The MERP Project
The Marijuana Re-Legalization Policy (MRP) Project

www.newagecitizen.com/ReLegalization01.htm

www.newagecitizen.com/editorial_on_the_marijuana_re.htm

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But GDP is a slippery concept better addressed by the concept of "Negative GDP." What I mean by this is that when the product does not contribute, but rather takes away from, our social well being it should rightfully be subtracted from GDP. For example if you feel forced to put cameras all around you house for protection the money spent should be subtracted from GDP.

Having said that I think I have a much better plan than blanket taxes on Marijuana: it is known as the MERP Model. Read more below:

You really have to wonder sometimes if the Drug Reform Organizations, (e.g., NORML, DPA, MPP) are more interested in keeping their jobs than actually "reforming" the Marijuana laws. Though I do agree with the author about the need to Legalize I don't think broad taxes are the answer. Over the years I have come up with what I call the MERP Model. I think this is a much better model and we need to pressure these organizations to support its implementation. Read more about my ideas and MERP through the links below:

Drug Policy
===========
Marijuana: Past, Present and Future from Bruce Cain on Vimeo.
http://www.vimeo.com/2056650

Why Lou Dobbs Should Support Marijuana Legalization
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VKf5YfQb7s&

The MERP Project
The Marijuana Re-Legalization Policy (MRP) Project

www.newagecitizen.com/ReLegalization01.htm

www.newagecitizen.com/editorial_on_the_marijuana_re.htm

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"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."
- Socrates

Nixon lied to schedule Ganja #1

"You know, it's a funny thing, every one of the bastards that are out for legalizing marijuana is Jewish. What the Christ is the matter with the Jews, Bob?

"You're enough of a pro," Nixon tells Shafer, "to know that for you to come out with something that would run counter to what the Congress feels and what the country feels, and what we're planning to do, would make your commission just look bad as hell."
- Richard Milhouse Nixon

"Marijuana does not lead to physical dependency, although some evidence indicates that the heavy, long-term users may develop a psychological dependence on the drug"
-- The Shafer Commission of 1970

Shafer Commission (US federal government,1973)

Drug Use in America: Problem in Perspective
National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse.
Nixon, Marijuana, and the Shafer Commission

1972 US Marihuana: A Signal of Misunderstanding
US National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse

Special Release

30 Years After Nixon's Marijuana Commission Advocated Decriminalization, Report Findings Are Still Valid, Nixon Never Read His Own Report, President Bush Should

Tricky Dick.jpg

Paradise Lost ... final days of WAMM?

Celebrity Stoners: American High Society

"We have spent over a trillion dollars trying to eradicate the world's most beneficial plant off the face of the earth. Imagine what a better world this would be if that money had been spent on treatment, education and studying the medical benefits of marijuana."
-- Steve Hager - High Times Editor (1988 - 2003)

DAREyl SWAT Gates LAPDog Perversions

Bong Hits 4 Jesus = $45,000.00

Prison Industrial Complex Attacks Prop. 5

Getting Rich Off Prohibition

"While much ado has been made of the possible risks of the smoking process, the amount of research on this aspect of cannabis use is skewed and misleading; it has been exaggerated in an effort to rationalize drug policies against cannabis."
-- Chris Conrad, "Hemp for Health"

Grant Krieger Convictimed

Signs of Sickness and D.E.A.th

Calvina Fay vs. Jack Cole

"In a republic like ours, people often think that the proper response to an unjust law is to try to use the political process to change the law, but to obey and respect the law until it is changed. But if the law is itself clearly unjust, and the lawmaking process is not designed to quickly obliterate such unjust laws, then the law deserves no respect — break the law."
- Henry David Thoreau

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I refuse to accept this legalize and tax approach. Where does this idea that I must pay to do things that don't have any impact on others. My smoking doesn't take anything away from anyone. Why should I have to pay for the privilege? Either you're free or you're not.
Some people in the fight for a sane drug policy need to learn this instead of getting into bed with cops and politicians who have no intention of diminishing their power to grind people under their heels.

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In my urban community if you legalized drugs (even pot) it will hurt many people. Before drugs where became illegal in China that country was in a shambles. Now many years later they have recovered and are becoming a globalized – international country.

I don’t know what laws China has, but they seem to work. We should adopt the Chinese was of combating drugs and get the US on track in the battle against illegal drugs.

Also I don’t know of a single individual that has improved their life after getting addicted to drugs! Usually 1st the individual goes down-the-tube, then not far behind the marriage will fail. Next the family goes down the tube. This is not s success story.

The idea that legalized or less criminalized drugs will improve society is not true at any level. This type of idea is laden with problems and not thought out completely.

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