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California's Prop. 5 Could Change the Course of America's Drug War

By Silja J.A. Talvi, AlterNet. Posted November 1, 2008.


Californians have chance with the NORA initiative to reject decades of fear mongering and try alternatives to jail for drug abuse.
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It was in Los Angeles in 1983, while I was attending John Burroughs Junior High, when I recall coming home and tuning into an episode of the popular ABC sitcom, Diff'rent Strokes. I remember watching intently as First Lady Nancy Reagan teetered onto the screen.

I watched that show the way I did most other American sitcoms having to do with race relations, with a studious blend of curiousity, fascination, and burgeoning media criticism. I hadn't been born in the U.S., but I'd been living in the diverse megalopolis since 1977. That was long enough to know that this country had rather serious, unresolved problems when it came to skin color, class, ethnicity, culture and language.

To say nothing of drug use.

There was no way to avoid it. Most of the kids in my public school were not from well-to-do families, but the children of the well-to-do were actually the first kids I saw with illicit drugs and cigarettes -- that was back in elementary school. After that point, I saw cigarette, drug and alcohol use everywhere, all around me, whether at the hands of rich kids buying and selling pills and powder for weekend parties, or self-destructing teens trying to flush trauma out of their bodies with copious amounts of Olde English malt liquor.

Standing in front of the television in our living room, I remember thinking, most vividly, that Nancy Reagan's head was enormous. I also clearly remember the smiles plastered on the cast member's faces as she adopted a motherly tone and explained that what the kids had to do was to "just say no to drugs."

It was an amazing bit of an accomplishment for the federal government's anti-drug crusade: let's work with Hollywood to beam the message straight into American homes, using one of the most popular shows on television at the time.

The thinking behind Nancy Reagan's appearance on Diff'rent Strokes probably went something like this: make it stern, but friendly. We want the kids to know that everything is just fine, and that everything will stay calm, as long as they say "no."

With the War on Drugs, the accompanying, implicit threat is also always there, whether it's spoken or not: If you don't listen to us, if you make a different decision, all bets are off. Once you use actually use an illicit drug -- and especially if you dare to sell one -- you have become something 'other.'

You have become a criminal.

The kind of criminal that California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger was talking about when he announced his opposition to Proposition 5, the Nonviolent Offender Rehabilitation Act of 2008 (NORA), at a news conference this past week, in front of the Criminal Courts Building in downtown Los Angeles.

"[Proposition 5] is a great threat to our neighborhoods," Schwarzenegger was quoted as saying this week by the Los Angeles Times. "It was written by those who care more about the rights of criminals." Republican Gov. Schwarzenegger made his statement standing alongside four previous California governors: Gray Davis and Jerry Brown, both Democrats, and Republicans Pete Wilson and George Deukmejian.

Side-by-side, these five different men had the same, rabidly oppositional message about the sheer "danger" of Proposition 5, which is designed to divert tens of thousands of non-violent drug users away from incarceration; expand youth programs to prevent substance abuse and imprisonment; and mandate a continuum of rehabilitation and treatment options both during and after incarceration for people sentenced to do time.

Many initiatives and pieces of legislation end up being little more than hastily-conceived, reactionary proposals to what are perceived as public safety threats. This cannot be said of Proposition 5. In fact, NORA's drug treatment/education diversion is based around a well-conceived, three-tier system based on real clinical assessments, public safety, prior convictions, and ongoing evaluations (conducted by a new, 23-member Treatment Diversion Oversight and Accountability Commission), to make sure that the program is working as intended.

The proposition has been years in the making, in consultation with drug addiction recovery and rehabilitation experts, research scientists, even law enforcement and corrections personnel. The initiative is a big one, both in text length and impact: According to the independent Legislative Analyst's Office (LAO), the measure would require $1 billion in spending each year, something that would be completely offset by $1 billion in savings from the ever-increasing prison and parole budget in the State of California. To boot, the LAO projects an additional net savings of $2.5 billion over the next few years because unnecessary prison construction would not be undertaken.

The cost savings are undeniable, and terribly necessary. Currently, the cost to operate the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation (CDCR) stands at $10 billion, and operating capacity in some prisons exceeds 200%. Federal District Court Judge Thelton Henderson has given state officials under November 5th to cough up $250 million toward new prison healthcare facilities, or else face the likely possibility of a federal take-over. With at least one death a week attributable to inadequate and negligent healthcare, the CDCR has already been found to be in constitutional violation of the Eighth Amendment banning cruel and unusual punishment. This past week, the state's youth detention system was also under fire again, when Alameda County Superior Court Judge Jon Tigar accused the Division of Juvenile Justice of failing to take "even the most basic, fundamental steps to implement reform."

Indeed, this sudden flash of gubernatorial solidarity might seem outright bizarre until one considers the fact that all five men have played primary, mutually reinforcing roles in building, expanding, and mismanaging what now amounts to one of the largest prison systems in the world. As it now stands, the California state prison system "supervises" 318,411 people, nearly 173,000 of whom are held in captivity.

Among both men and women, at least 80% have some kind of substance abuse history. More specifically, nearly 30% of women doing time in the state prison system are in because of a drug-related offense. (For men, that figure is just under 20%.) Many addicts, it has long since been known, end up committing non-violent property crimes in order to support their habits. So, when drug offense-related and property crime-related crimes are added together, we find that over 60% of women are incarcerated for one or the other. Over the years, the women (and men) I've interviewed behind prison walls have spoken consistently of their need for substance abuse treatment, in tandem with the ability to obtain their G.E.D's (or even just learn to read basic sentences); counseling for histories of sexual, physical, and mental abuse; and vocational training. While behind bars, however, most never get anything of the sort: by the CDCR's own admission, only 5% of prisoners receive substance abuse treatment while they're locked up.

Proposition 36 did a great deal to wake California up to the fact that non-violent drug users could actually benefit from services and treatment, and not end up costing the average $46,000 per person, per year, that state prisoners currently do. The problem has been that drug court judges wield far too much power in deciding who gets treatment, and of what sort, something that NORA would help to remedy. In addition, first-time offenders wouldn't be the only ones getting help.

Paul Kobulnicky, 55, is now a drug and alcohol counselor in San Diego County, employed by the very same residential treatment program, Casa Rafael, that he says saved his life from an addiction that surely would have ended his life. Following an accident, Kobulnicky got addicted to Vicodin, something that led to an arrest, the loss of his chiropractor's license, a divorce, and then a slide into crystal meth addiction. "If it weren't for Proposition 36," he told me, "I would probably just have paroled, without any treatment for my problems."

Instead, he's not only gainfully employed and sober, but had his record wiped clean because he successfully completed the program. He's also trying to get his vocational license back (something not possible after a felony conviction), has happily remarried, and gotten close to his daughter again.

"I'm passionate about what I do and so grateful for my recovery," he said. "Look at what I've been able to do with my life. That's why Proposition 5 is so important. Other people need that chance." As in other people our society now defines, nearly across the board, as "criminals."

All five of the governors assembled to speak out against Prop. 5 were there because -- and I'll say it -- this initiative represents a threat to the justification for what they built. They also each played crucial roles in feeding that system by supporting endless pieces of legislation specifically designed to expand what it means to be a "criminal," and how long "criminals" should be punished. "Laws change, depending on what, in a social order, counts as stability," and who, in a social order, needs to be controlled," as Ruth Wilson Gilmore wrote in her 2007 book, Golden Gulag: Prisons, Surplus, and Opposition in Globalizing California.

Who needs to be controlled, indeed.

For these five men, and for legions of Americans hooked on the notion that people's substance use decisions can and should be controlled and punished by law enforcement and government, drug users are key among them.

Only now, the verbiage is changing to suit the times we're living in. That's because the demonization of non-violent substance users isn't playing as well to the American public. (A Zogby poll in early October revealed that three out of four U.S. voters think the war on drugs is "failing.") The strategic shift in language is, thus, to the "sellers."

Thus, the opposition to Proposition 5 is being cast, at this last minute, as a "drug dealers' bill of rights," and giving them a "get-out-of-jail-free-card," and that it's about protecting "violent" criminals. (In point of fact, Proposition 5 adds penalties for serious and violent crimes, including gang-affiliated crimes, which I object to on the grounds that each "serious" criminal case is unique and should be sentenced and paroled as such; and that gang-enhancements in California are already excessively punitive and too easily subject to prosecutorial/judicial prejudice.)

These phrases are being repeated in a multi-million-dollar media blitz, over and over, in a rather familiar fashion.

Not at all unlike what Nancy Reagan told child stars Dana Plato and Todd Bridges, both of whom eventually became drug addicts. Plato died from an overdose in her 30s. "Just say no. Just say no. Just say no."

That's a way of looking at drugs in America just as removed from the reality of the illicit drug economy as Nancy Reagan was.

What Californian voters need to know, if they're removed from the drug scene and are worried about all these "dealers" in their midst, is the following.

The fact is that people can be charged with an "intent to distribute" quite easily. It happens all the time. It can happen because of the amount of drugs found, and/or because a person has a certain amount of cash or drug containers on their person. It can happen because someone "snitches" to get out of trouble -- especially to avoid jail or prison time. It can happen someone who doesn't use drugs does a favor for a friend, cash in hand.

It can happen if you get arrested and can't or won't "roll" on other people. That's when law enforcement and prosecutors can decide that you're a "seller," and prosecute accordingly. (On the federal level, "conspiracy" charges intended for large-scale drug traffickers are handed out, with alarming frequency, to people who can't or won't cooperate with demand for "snitching," or participation in a sting operation.)

This is a different era now, of course, than the one that I grew up in living in Los Angeles, but the realities relating to drug use and sales are still largely the same. In July, an international survey published jointly by the Harvard Medical School and the University of New South Wales revealed that the United States still had the highest levels of cocaine and cannabis use in the world. According to the study, younger adults and people with higher incomes were indeed more likely than older adults to have used more kinds of illicit drugs. In total, over 16% of Americans surveyed had used cocaine in their lifetimes, and nearly half (42.4%) had used marijuana.

According to the authors of that report, drug use does not appear to be simply related to drug policy, since countries with more stringent policies towards illegal drug use did not have lower levels of such drug use than countries with more liberal policies." Taking the far less stringent Netherlands as a prime example, less than two percent of people in that country had tried cocaine, while just under 20% reported trying cannabis -- in a country where marijuana is available for purchase inside well-advertised and regulated "coffee shops."

There, in the Netherlands, the "sellers" are taxed and accountable for how they run their businesses (including the quality of what they sell).

Here, that's not possible.

As such, it is not unusual for people who use illicit drugs, whether recreationally, medicinally, or abusively, to sell them, as well.

These are certainly realities that many of American teens can still attest to, whether they live in Los Angeles or not. Whether I'm interviewing teenage girls in juvenile detention or talking with kids at a bus stop, or just chatting with my youngest, teenage sister in Seattle, I hear the same kinds of stories repeatedly.

Drug users and sellers are quite often one and the same, because they're existing (partially or completely) in an underground, illegal economy.

When the opponents of Proposition 5 try furiously to draw that distinction so as to strike fear into the hearts of voters, they resort to the kind of imagery that tells us that we're dealing with the scary monsters in our midst. We should know, by now, that there's nothing new about propaganda or fear-mongering in politics. But when it comes to crime, punishment, and drugs, the recent blast of sloganeering has taken another sickeningly familiar and excessive turn.

This time, the stakes are even higher than the average voter may realize. The very intent of the opposition movement to Proposition 5 is to derail what could be the most significant piece of sentencing reform legislation in modern American history.

You might expect to hear that from people in the drug policy reform movement, but consider listening to the words of the former warden of San Quentin (with two decades of service), and former director of the CDCR, Jeanne Woodford.

In a conversation we had the other night, this is what she told me: "I'm tired of not being able to have a real conversation with people when it comes to criminal justice. That's why I support Proposition 5. We have to be grown up enough to work with it, to change with it, to learn from what happens in the process of implementing it."

"That, she added, "is what we did with the U.S. Constitution."

But that's not how the forces rising up against Prop. 5 see it. The San Diego District Attorney even tried to get the California Supreme Court to get it wiped off the ballot on constitutional grounds.

Because people, she somehow reasoned, couldn't make these kinds of changes to state policies.

This is how Margaret Dooley-Sammuli, the Deputy State Director of Drug Policy Alliance/South California, sums up the key message of the opposition campaign: "Be afraid. Be very afraid."

In actuality, I'll tell you what we need to be afraid of: Propositions 6 and 9. The people behind the opposition to Proposition 5 are nearly identical to the people who back Prop. 6 and 9, but with those two propositions, they get a little bit more specific about who they're trying to lock (and keep locked) up:Old, sick prisoners, male and female alike. People who deserve to have parole reviews, but who won't be given that chance (if Prop. 9 passes). And where Prop. 6 is concerned? It's all there in black-and-white. Those"illegal aliens" and gang members.

Read: young men and women who are likely to be school drop-outs and have spent time in juvenile detention. Especially young men of color. People who congregate in groups of 3 or more, with "criminal" activity of some kind to cement the label they may or may not agree with.

Right now, Latinos are the largest ethnic group in men's prisons in California, followed by African Americans.

The fear-mongering around who and what these boys and men are -- and where they've come from -- is what Proposition 6, in particular, is all about.

The 'other.'

"The unholy and powerful alliance opposed to reform in California's gulag of a prison system is deploying tried, true and tragic methods in its campaign: fear and racism backed by big money. Throughout the history of the Golden State, appeals to these basest instincts have been used to keep down black, Latino and Asian "minorities." It's no coincidence that, for example, the No On 5 people are stirring up some of the same racist imagery, the same kinds of fears we've seen in the long line of racial history that runs from Jim Crow, to the Zoot Suit riots and Proposition 187," as journalist Roberto Lovato wrote in response to an e-mail I sent to him the other night. "The tragedy is that these appeals work not just with the aging white minorities who are the majority of voters; they also work with some Blacks, Latinos and Asians."

Especially where gangs are concerned.

If we understand drug users and abusers very poorly as a society, we understand gang members even more poorly.

And in the minds of the people behind these campaigns, they are a part of the same thing: people to be eradicated. And if we can't destroy them, let's cage them for as long as we can.

I've experienced a different slice of life, and I have to speak my mind about what it is that I've really seen, with my own eyes.

Gangs, too, were (and are) a reality of life in L.A. County -- and across the U.S., sometimes with attendant drug use and sales. The gang members I knew had sometimes been born into them, but most had joined later on, when their home lives had grown too dysfunctional, chaotic, and/or violent. Mostly, as I quickly learned by just listening to people talk about their lives, it was about belonging somewhere, about being protected and respected. Sometimes, it was also about making a living in the underground economy, where upward mobility was possible for a brown-skinned and/or low-income person from a neighborhood where cop cars and "ghetto birds" (police helicopters) were a constant part of the landscape. There were the "old-school" gangsters (the term applied to youth and adults alike) who stuck to strict codes of conduct, dress, and respect. They, in turn, tended to look down on the gang-members whose codes of conduct weren't up to the same standards, especially once they had started to mess with crack cocaine. Indeed, the level of violence that spilled out into the school hallways and streets in the 1980s had nearly everything to do with the crack cocaine and automatic weapons that had suddenly, almost magically, flooded the streets of L.A. like a toxic, infectious disease.

It would be many years before would begin to uncover the how's and why's of that particular phenomenon, in a shocking San Jose Mercury News investigative series entitled The Dark Alliance. And it would be many more years before that reporter's suicide, a tragedy attributable, in part, to the journalistic witch hunt Webb endured after the newspaper series came out at the hands of the government and his "colleagues" in the field, who doused his series with propagandistic attacks on Webb's research, integrity, and character. The thing is that Webb was right about just about everything he uncovered.

But American drug war history is still being spun by the "victors." And that needs to stop.

In 1941, George Orwell wrote something that has stuck with me: "The writers who have come up since 1930 have been living in a world in which not only one's life but one's whole scheme of values is constantly menaced. In such circumstances detachment is not possible. You cannot take a purely aesthetic interest in a disease you are dying from; you cannot feel dispassionately about a man who is about to cut your throat."

Here's my call, then, to all you California voters, in a way I've never said it before: Don't let power-drunk fear mongers cut your collective throat. Make sure you make an informed vote on Proposition 5, 6 and 9.

Thanks to Britt Madsen for her research assistance.

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Silja J.A. Talvi is an investigative journalist and the author of Women Behind Bars: The Crisis of Women in the U.S. Prison System (Seal Press: 2007). Her work has already appeared in many book anthologies, including It's So You (Seal Press, 2007), Prison Nation (Routledge: 2005), Prison Profiteers (The New Press: 2008), and Body Outlaws (Seal Press: 2004). She is a senior editor at In These Times.

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Voting for propositions.
Posted by: USAFVeteran1966 on Nov 1, 2008 12:32 AM   
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One of the neat things about living in my birthplace -- California -- the coolest state of all.

Vietnam vet/Obama supporter
Eight reasons to vote against John McCain

PS: Hugh Scott asked me to thank the many AlterNet readers who visited his NONPROFIT website, www.UnfitMcCain.com, which received nearly two million hits since being launched in August 2008.

Having accomplished his goal of making UnfitMcCain.com one of the hottest anti-McCain sites on the Web, Scotty will no longer communicate on AlterNet, effective today.

I, too, am saying goodbye. So have a great life, everyone -- even lonely little pot-stirring troll, Karl.Rove.Ben.

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As stated often and obviously, it's the Prison Guards Union
Posted by: Libsrule on Nov 1, 2008 6:11 AM   
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I remember when Arnold became gov here in CA and he promised to take back control from the Prison Guards Union and within 6 months they had him on his back while they scratched his belly.

The PG Union is as nasty a union as you will ever run across. They make most republican dirty tricks squads look like kindergartners

They lie, they attack, they smear, they slime, they threaten, the give tons of money to "more jail time" candidates, and you've never seen anything like this bunch. Evil is hardly a bad word to describe them, YET they pull out the nonsense about protecting us from the people who would kill us all in our sleep if not for them. Especially the pot smokers, and others who wanted to just get high and got caught.

While there are very bad people who belong in prison and the longer the better, the majority are not violent nor are they worth bankrupting California to keep them in.

Last election there was almost an overturn of the ridiculous 3 strikes law that puts non violent offenders in prison for life. The stories about stealing pizza and Snickers are true. YET at the last moment, Arnold and the PG Union threw out a pack of lies about how the overturning of the 3 strikes law to make it apply only to violent offenders would put all the sex offenders next door to you and on and on.

Get rid of that PG union and things can change. Otherwise you're just pizzing in the wind.

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» sounds awfully communistical to me Posted by: wefearwhatwedontunderstand
Very Interesting
Posted by: tRANIS on Nov 1, 2008 6:43 AM   
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I keep coming back to the privatization of prisons, especially in California. The people who make money off of that are fighting to keep making their money, because they make money on people in prison. Thats just sad.
Can't we just change these ridiculous behaviors and join the world yet!

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» personality problems Posted by: wefearwhatwedontunderstand
Hoopla
Posted by: RedFoxOne on Nov 1, 2008 6:45 AM   
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Sounds like a bunch of political hoopla too me.

Jiff
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Marijuana is California's #1 Cash Crop...
Posted by: picket on Nov 1, 2008 8:18 AM   
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according to the study done in 2006 by Jon Gettman. In California MJ generates 14 billion in unregulated cash more than grapes, vegetables and hay.

MJ is the top cash crop in 12 states and is in the top three in 30 states. The study put MJ production at 35.8 billion more than corn [23.3] and wheat [7.5] combined.

Meanwhile in New York State on Friday Sen Clinton and Schumer requested more Federal funds for border counties because "smugglers increasingly take advantage of region's networks to move Canadian hydroponic MJ into the US." .... Taxpayer money to protect New York State's # 1 underground cash crop???

http://www.pressrepublican.com/homepage

How much MJ does it take to supply New York City for just one weekend? Is this worth making simple Cannabis adult use [not abuse] a Nation of criminals?

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William F Buckley Jr. Supports Prop. 5
Posted by: Bud Kine on Nov 1, 2008 8:39 AM   
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Pursuing utilitarian analysis, we ask: What are the relative costs, on the one hand, of medical and psychological treatment for addicts and, on the other, incarceration for drug offenses? It transpires that treatment is seven times more cost-effective. By this is meant that one dollar spent on the treatment of an addict reduces the probability of continued addiction seven times more than one dollar spent on incarceration. Looked at another way: Treatment is not now available for almost half of those who would benefit from it. Yet we are willing to build more and more jails in which to isolate drug users even though at one-seventh the cost of building and maintaining jail space and pursuing, detaining, and prosecuting the drug user, we could subsidize commensurately effective medical care and psychological treatment.

William F. Buckley, Jr.

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Webb - biggest mystery? The media attack on his integrity and character
Posted by: Lauren on Nov 1, 2008 10:13 AM   
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the journalistic witch hunt Webb endured after the newspaper series came out at the hands of the government and his "colleagues" in the field, who doused his series with propagandistic attacks on Webb's research, integrity, and character.

I read about this and mentioned it to my husband, a person trained as a reporter and working as one in '78,'79. He went absolutely ballistic and totally attacked MY integrity and character for supporting Webb.

I though this was quit bizarre, the record had been corrected. He would have none of it. I don't understand this but I do consider it torture because he was being violent towards me to promote a (false) political view.

Why was he so adamant? It was not rational or reasonable at all, in level of emotional involvement, it was unhinged. Why did mentioning Webb make him freak?

My husband is a man of mystery.

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Is Marijuana a Narcotic??
Posted by: picket on Nov 1, 2008 11:14 AM   
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Marijuana is not a narcotic it is pharmacologically distinct from the family of opium derivatives and synthetic narcotics. MJ is not addicting,and no physical dependence.

[Watt1965, Wolstenholme1965, Garattini1965]

So a POT BUST becomes a "narcotics bust" making MJ sound dangerous and thus more $$$$$$$ for the War on the People. So both US Senators Clinton and Schumer are putting more money on the Canadian border they say to "reduce the flow of narcotics", they say, a goal on which we can all agree. The narcotic they refer to is the BAD BAD Canadian Pot !!!

Can we just STOP calling Cannabis a Narcotic?

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» RE: Is Marijuana a Narcotic?? Posted by: one2vegas
The Business Behind Getting High ~~
Posted by: one2vegas on Nov 1, 2008 11:37 AM   
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BC's illegal marijuana trade industry has evolved into a business giant, dubbed by some involved as 'The Union', Commanding upwards of $7 billion Canadian annually. With up to 85% of 'BC Bud' being exported to the United States, the trade has become an international issue. Follow filmmaker Adam Scorgie as he demystifies the underground market and brings to light how an industry can function while remaining illegal. Through growers, police officers, criminologists, economists, doctors, politicians and pop culture icons, Scorgie examines the cause and effect nature of the business - an industry that may be profiting more by being illegal. Written by Brett Harvey

The Union: The Business Behind Getting High is a movie about the big industry that creates and selling illegal Cannabis.Cannabis is still illegal most parts of the world,despite that cigarettes and Alcohol is taking more life's then Cannabis. Written by Feltherre

The Union: The business behind getting high

http://blip.tv/file/1356143/

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U.S. Prisons: Turning Garden Snakes Into Dragons
Posted by: pnsuitec on Nov 1, 2008 12:09 PM   
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Correctional Education

This is where we study
the infinitely intricate structure of the
permanent upper hand,
where the apprentice learns to master
many different patterns of colorful deceit,
where the weak become more aware
of the strong,
where lessons inspire weapons for
a survivor's defense.
Yes, this is where we study,
striving for the diploma that will
unlock the front door.

From "Extinguishing the Flames of Hell"

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Casting Arnold, terminator
Posted by: Lauren on Nov 1, 2008 1:22 PM   
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Schwarzenegger predicted McCain could still pull out a win on Tuesday, despite being vastly outspent by Democratic nominee Barack Obama, who is leading McCain in national polls.

How can he have such delusional thoughts? Here's how SF Gate he is supported by the ever powerful prison union.

Exactly how out-of-whack California's finances are is unknown. The Schwarzenegger administration backtracked on a pledge to release official figures on Friday.

Schwarzenegger recalled his own childhood in Austria, where he said socialism killed opportunities. That, he said, prompted him to flee to the United States, where he made hundreds of millions of dollars as a Hollywood celebrity.


He was an illegal immigrant. Then in this story we learn Arnold is one of them. One of the bad guys.

No one escapes the Spanish Inquisition, can now be replaced with, No one escapes the prison union. They are just as sick about liking to torture people. It is really sick.

Vote Yes on 5

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Just say no
Posted by: Lauren on Nov 1, 2008 3:58 PM   
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Vote yes for Prop 5.
Posted by: Dr T on Nov 1, 2008 4:01 PM   
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As a military trained medical officer and addiction psychiatrist, I urge all Californians to vote yes on Prop 5.

The current priority has the criminal justice system trumping the public health system. For example, as a physician, I have to apply to the DEA for permission to prescribe controlled substances. Since the DEA is staffed mainly by personnel from the criminal justice system, we have cops telling doc what is and what is not "proper" medicine. If someone cannot see the insanity of that, the next time you or a loved one becomes ill, call a cop.

Prop 5 is a major step towards rational public health approaches and will save Californian taxpayers money. The only people that lose are the prison guards who will see their overtime diminish.

Vote yes for Prop 5.

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great article
Posted by: wefearwhatwedontunderstand on Nov 1, 2008 6:46 PM   
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This is an excellent article that talks about the real issues. Thank you for presenting a great case for prop. 5. The entrenched prison system is a monster to mess with, but this battle needs to continue to be engaged in. Maybe it won't be too much longer before everyone who keeps falling for these race-baiting, fear-mongering campaigns, realizes that they have been HAD by these greedy (@(&-suckers, just like they were HAD by their mortgage brokers, and the credit card companies, and their banks, and the oil companies, and the insurance companies, and the war-mongering government contractors, and all the other big multinational corporations that I haven't yet mentioned, and all the other (@)&-suckers, and then, maybe, We, the People might just refuse to go along with their hateful and greedy system anymore.

I mean, it's not like all the fake wealth that has been floating around until recently was really going around to all of everybody. The minimum wage has been ridiculously, historically low, and more and more prisons were built and people were incarcerated during that whole period of relative well-being, people who were left behind. They have been being HAD for a while, now. But now, more and more people are realizing how depending on the wealthy to prop up the rest of society just doesn't work out so well when they just fire everybody or declare bankruptcy or retire with their golden parachutes or have the government hand them a bunch of money or or get the government handout and the golden parachute or otherwise manage to keep it all themselves and the exclusive spas they enjoy so much.

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Curious
Posted by: douglashoyt on Nov 1, 2008 7:22 PM   
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Arnold has admitted to years of illegal steroid use while weight lifting.

It has occurred to me that people like Arnold are weak.

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End the Prison Industrial Complex in California!
Posted by: IndyCA on Nov 1, 2008 7:42 PM   
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Vote "yes" on Prop. 5 and "no" on Prop. 6. The prison guard union has donated more than 2 million to the anti-prop. 5 campaign, for reasons that are quite obvious. They would get less overtime if 70,000+ drug offenders in state prison were given treatment instead of incarceration.

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THE "ALTERNATIVE TO PRISON" REFORM, IS "NOT A WORKING SCENERIO", in any Fashion or Form...
Posted by: One American Lady on Nov 3, 2008 5:36 AM   
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IT'S DESTROYING TO OUR YOUTH, YOUNG ADULTS & MOST OF ALL, IT WILL DESTROY THE LIVES OF OUR U.S. SOLDIERS / VETERANS & MEMBERS OF THEIR FAMILIES.
There are Now, in America: DRUG COURT / ? VETERANS COURT / ? MENTAL HEALTH COURT / KIDS COURT....
Guess What...Who Will...End Up "Footin' the Finances, of these Individuals???"
YOU, THE FAMILY MEMBERS...cause the Kids / the Young Adults / the Military Families, WON'T HAVE ENOUGH FUNDS TO PAY EXPENSES OF DAILY LIVING...& They Will Become a Burden on the Government Agencies, & on Relatives, "who might or might Not Have the Funds, to Help Their Family Members".
THE VARIETY OF COURT SYSTEMS, "REFERRED TO, ARE FROM... MONEY HUNGRY PEOPLE, WHO HAVE NOTHING TO DO, BUT *THINK OF WAYS, TO DECREASE THE DIGNITY OF THE PEOPLE*... They Are the Greedy, Money-Grabbers, & they'll Grab All the Cash they can Get Their Hands On, At the Expense of the People & Their Dignity.
ANOTHER FORM OF "DICTATORSHIP IN AMERICA" & IT'S COMING ON, AT AN ENORMOUS RATE !!
Take Notice, What is Happening... Read Between the Lines...Save Your Own Butt...for No One Else Will !!
When a Person is a Victim of these "Court Systems, for Alternative to Prison"... they get arrested, initially, then, "put in the court, to fit the crime..drugs or whatever...THEN CHARGED A COURT FEE, ORDERED TO ATTEND SUPPORT MEETINGS, PROVIDE A UA, APPEAR BEFORE THE COURT-JUDGE, ONCE A WEEK.
If you fail to attend / appear, YOU ARE "NOT ARRESTED AGAIN, BUT *YOU GO TO JAIL, FOR A CERTAIN NUMBER OF DAYS, & ...PAY AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF *MORE COURT FEES*, & if you are On Government Assistance, for Physical Disability / Mental Disability / PTSD, you might find yourself, WITHOUT AN INCOME FROM THE GOVERNMENT...long as the Arrest Warrant is NOT SATISFIED... to the Court..that Now Governs You !!
First Up, the Original Court Fee for these Special Type of Courts is: about $1,500 to $2,000, then Each Time You "go to jail, there is an Increase of Money, CHARGED TO THE AMOUNT YOU ALREADY OWE THE COURT"...for "having to be Housed & Fed & Clothed, while you are IN JAIL.
IS THIS WHAT A PERSON, WOULD REFER TO AS A GREAT ALTERNATIVE PROGRAM, RATHER THAN GOING TO PRISON / CONFINEMENT... & GETTING RELEASED, to be able to be employed, or Seek Life / Liberty / Pursuit of Happiness.
I DARE YOU.... GO AHEAD... COMMIT A CRIME OF DRUGS / DOMESTIC VIOLENCE OR ANYTHING ELSE...
"Give Your Life to Uncle Sam"...YOU ARE THE ONE WHO ALLOWS HIM TO BECOME A RELATIVE TO YOU... & YOU MUST PAY THE "RELATIVE"... so to speak.
IF I WERE YOU... I'D LEARN "OBEDIENCE TO THE CONSTITUTIONAL LAWS" & become a Law-Abiding Citizen,....& RETAIN YOUR DIGNITY & RESPECT.
One American Lady

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It's all about money !
Posted by: reelectnoone on Nov 3, 2008 9:45 AM   
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The war on drugs is and always has been about the money. How can US interests take a profit.

There is more cash to be had by building and staffing prisons than by selling legal drugs. These interests prefer to have full prisons and are not concerned with the future of American citizens who have become collateral damage in the war on drugs.

Any politician is suspect when they oppose a crime bill that actually is designed to reduce addiction and provide treatment and rehabilitation.

I hope this passes so it can show the people the real stupidity behind these politicians and their war on drugs.

I don't advocate drug abuse including tobacco and alcohol, but if I had a son or daughter I would feel better about them having an addiction than a prison record in today's society. An addition can be cured...a criminal record and damage from prison time cannot.

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Why Whites Fear Black Criminality
Posted by: Elurby on Nov 4, 2008 4:46 AM   
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Read this article about hidden statistics
on black-on-white crime (mainstream media
refuse to report the awful impact black
men have had on society):

"Paul Sheehan, an Australian reporter, dug out the following Information for an article in the Sydney Morning Herald, May 2, 1995.

Sheehan based his statistics on crime data compiled by the FBI and partially reported each year in The FBI Uniform Crime Report . These reports can be researched At the FBI's website, www.fbi.gov.

"Since the FBI doesn't distinguish between Hispanics and whites, Sheehan's statistics don't adequately reflect the black-white crime situation.

"Only about 10-15% of Hispanics are white, with the rest being Indian or a mixture of white, American Indian, and blacks.

"Hispanic crime rates are almost as high as black crime rates. This means that the data Sheehan compiled on inter-racial crime is probably grossly understated since a considerable portion of the "white against black" crime actually is Hispanic-against-black crime. (Information about this aspect of inter-racial crime will be presented in a related article.)

"Here is the information Sheehan uncovered in his analysis of the FBI's crime reports:

-"Blacks murder more than 1,600 whites each year.

-"Blacks murder whites at 18 times the rate whites murder blacks.

-"Blacks murdered, raped, robbed, or assaulted about one million whites In 1992.

-"In the last 30 years, blacks committed 170 million violent and non-violent crimes against whites.

-"Blacks under 18 are more than 12 times more likely to be arrested for murder than whites under 18.

-"About 90% of the victims of interracial crimes are white.

-"Blacks commit 7.5 times more violent interracial crimes than whites, although whites outnumber blacks by 7 to 1.

-"On a per capita basis, blacks commit 50 times more violent crime than whites.

-"Black neighborhoods are 35 times more violent than white neighborhoods.

-"Of the 27 million nonviolent robberies in 1992, 31% (8.4 million) were committed by blacks against whites. Less than 2% were committed by whites against blacks.

-"Of the 6.6 million violent crimes, 20% (1.3 million) were interracial.

-"Of the the 1.3 million interracial violent crimes, 90% (1.17 million) are black against white.

-"In the past 20 years, violent crime increased four times faster than the population.

-"In the last 30 years (1964-94), more than 45,000 people were killed in interracial murders compared to 38,000 killed in Korea and 58,000 in Vietnam.

-"Sheehan commented that the contents of his article could not possibly be published or discussed in the U.S. mainstream media.

-"In the last 50 years, the white part of the American population has declined from 90% to 72%. The U.S. now has about 33 million blacks and 25 million Hispanics (legal and illegal). By the year 2050, American whites will be a minority, just 49%. By 2100, whites will be 25% of the population.

-"What will life for whites be like in the future?"

-end of report



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WHY NOT PUT ALCOHOLICS AND NICOTINE ADDICTS IN JAIL?
Posted by: AlteredStates on Nov 5, 2008 12:23 AM   
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If you were a visitor from another planet, and saw how radically crazy our government's response to MJ usage is, then I think you would leave the planet and continue searching for a planet where its' inhabitants were a little more rational.

Alcoholics don't go to jail, even if they are ruining their health and the health and lives of others in their family. Tobacco smokers don't go to jail either, even though the second hand smoke they produce while enjoying their fix, kills others around them.

Is the government concerned about our health? Obviously not, because they allow the use of tobacco, alcohol. The pharmaceutical companies keep producing drugs that kill and cause other permanent damage to people who flock to their local drug dealers, (pharmacies) all the while, being led to believe, that what they are taking is "perfectly safe".

So, if our government, allows the sale and use of alcohol, tobacco, and pharmaceuticals, and pours billions of dollars into treatment for their side effects, then, why is our government so crazed about MJ? I think the main reason for making its' use so unconscionable, is that smoking it allows you to relax and think about what a rat race we are caught-up in, and how the government controls our lives and manipulates the truth to their advantage. That may sound crazy to some, (especially control freaks) but there is more truth in that statement than fiction. There is something in MJ that allows smokers to say "fuck it" when life starts to get too close to you. While "high", (that word "high" is anathema to some people) it allows you to see life in a different perspective, a perspective that differs greatly from "the powers that be". The last thing the rulers of this world want, is a populous that thinks "outside the box". That, to them, spells anarchy (even though it really doesn't). Free thought, is the last thing the rulers of this world want. Free thought, suggests to you, that their may be another way to solve disputes, other than war. Free thought, suggests, that we CAN afford universal health care coverage for everyone. We have the money to implement such a plan, but feeding the war machine sounds like a much better idea, because it means huge profits for the owners of the military/industrial complex and others who own and control this world. The people they use to fight THEIR wars, do so ignorantly, never knowing the truth, because the "truth" is buried under a mountain of lies.

So, getting back to my main premise. Mj can free you of all the oppression that crushes our brains and stifles our thoughts.

And, on that note, I will leave you to think, but only after your mind has been freed to think.

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could have
Posted by: sicntired on Nov 6, 2008 12:52 AM   
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As we now know the prison guards and their lobby outspent the meagre budget of the pro 5 side and fear won the day.As long as ignorance and fear rule the day,there will be more of the same.

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rita
Posted by: ressless on Nov 23, 2008 8:50 PM   
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Arizona has been mandating treatment as an "alternative" to prison for 12 years. It has not stopped the war on drug users. It has not stopped violent drug raids or the reckless destruction of families. And it has NOT solved the overcrowding in our jails and prisons. How do you think they're going to force drug users into treatment? I'll tell you how -- by kicking in their doors in the middle of the night, dragging them and their children out of bed and gunpoint, taking them to jail and making treatment a condition of probation, enforced with the threat of a prison sentence and making mandatory treatment just a longer, slower road to prison for most of them.

The reality is that most people who use illegal drugs DON'T WANT TO QUIT, and the state has NO RIGHT to force them to. The reality is also that most drug users DO quit, sooner or later, for reasons of their own, which is how it should be -- nobody has any right to make that decision for others.

Drug use, be it addiction, recreation or medication, is a choice which SHOULD be intensely personal and which every adult living in a free country SHOULD be free to make. And if my drug use becomes a problem, it is, after all, MY problem, not yours. Leave me alone.

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