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Democracy and Elections

How to Put Karl Rove Away for Years

By David Swanson, davidswanson.org. Posted August 11, 2008.


Bringing Karl Rove to justice for ignoring House requests to talk about the firing of several U.S. attorneys could be just the beginning.
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Last August, a group of Congressman Henry Waxman's constituents met with him and urged him to make use of inherent contempt. They were then obliged to explain to him what inherent contempt is. While the current (110th) Congress has probably seen more requests, subpoenas, and contempt citations ignored than all previous Congresses combined, Waxman has certainly endured more such insult than all other committee chairs combined in the current Congress. He's single-handedly destroyed whole forests with the flood of letters and requests and subpoenas he's sent down Pennsylvania Avenue, and yet he was apparently unaware of a procedure commonly used by Congress through most of this nation's history that would actually compel people to show up and answer questions and produce documents.

Over the past 12 months a vague sort of awareness of inherent contempt has crept into the minds of certain committee members and party leaders, almost entirely as a result of thousands of citizens demanding that they immediately make use of it. Quasi-grass-roots groups afraid to demand impeachment have taken up the cry for inherent contempt, but pro-impeachment groups have not all paid sufficient attention to it, their eyes set on a bigger and better prize. And, of course, in a sane world we would see impeachment happening. The latest overwhelming piece of evidence of the most egregious impeachable offense conceivable comes from Ron Suskind's book released this week reporting that Iraq's intelligence chief had informed the United States prior to the 2003 invasion of Iraq that Iraq possessed no weapons of mass destruction. George Tenet and the White House have admitted the truth of this, but absurdly dismissed it as unimportant.

However, here's an additional vital piece of information: our so-called representatives only intend to pretend to work for two more weeks this year, and those two weeks are scheduled for September. If anything could move them to impeachment (and more days at the office), perhaps a fight over inherent contempt could. Therefore, I propose we all demand one. (And if you bear with me, I'll tell you exactly what inherent contempt is.)

Congresswoman Zoe Lofgren recently wrote the following dismissive letter to her constituents who were demanding inherent contempt:

"Thank you for contacting me about Karl Rove's failure to appear before the Judiciary Committee. I appreciate that you took the time to share your thoughts with me. The Judiciary Committee is taking Karl Rove's failure to testify very seriously, and we are currently considering all options -- including contempt proceedings -- to compel him to answer important questions regarding the firing of several U.S. attorneys. Some have suggested that Congress implement 'inherent contempt' as if that is a viable option. The jail cell in the basement of the Capitol doesn't exist and the Sergeant at Arms is an over 60 year old executive. Congress is not a police force, and we will likely need to continue to utilize the courts and system of justice to pursue these matters. Again, thanks for being in touch. Please do not hesitate to let me know if I may ever be of assistance to you or your family."

Congresswoman Lofgren is very badly informed or chooses to pretend to be. The age of the Sergeant at Arms is not a decisive factor in the question of whether the Congress will engage in what for most of its history was understood as "inherent self-protection". There is a Sergeant at Arms for the House and one for the Senate, there are deputies, and there is an entire Capitol police force. In one of the earliest uses of "inherent contempt" a prisoner of the United States Congress argued that a warrant used to arrest him was invalid because it had been addressed to the Sergeant at Arms and had been enforced by the Deputy Sergeant at Arms. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the warrant was still valid; and that practice was subsequently followed for many decades. The Sergeant at Arms is not on his own, but is permitted and required to employ subordinates as needed. In 1877 a Deputy Sergeant at Arms was instructed to accompany a Congressional prisoner to New Orleans to procure telegrams he had hitherto refused to produce when subpoenaed, and to accompany another prisoner to New York to be seen by his physicians. In addition, a Sergeant at Arms incapable of performing his duties can be reassigned. With labor unions banned on Capitol Hill, there shouldn't be any legal difficulties in immediately rearranging a few employees of the government.

When inherent contempt began to be discussed in 2007, having not been heard of in some 75 years, the Politico (never a publication overly careful with facts) reported that the jail had been razed in 1929. Congresswoman Lofgren, on the other hand, maintains that "the jail cell in the basement of the Capitol" doesn't exist. She seems to take no position on whether such a thing ever did exist. Both of these replies wildly miss the mark. The House or the Senate or, in fact, any committee thereof, has the power, according to tradition and to rulings of the U.S. Supreme Court, to instruct the Sergeant at Arms of the House or Senate to imprison anyone being charged with contempt of Congress or being thereby punished for contempt of Congress. The difficulty of finding a place to imprison them has been easily solved in a variety of ways and could be again quite quickly.


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Not Law That's Lacking
Posted by: AlexLawyer on Aug 11, 2008 3:03 AM   
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What is lacking is not the legal authority, but the political will, to investigate, expose and punish the numerous crimes of the Bush Administration. Once the full extent became public knowledge, all Democrats and most Republicans, if for no other reason than to save their own careers, would be forced to do the right thing.

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» RE: Not Law That's Lacking Posted by: Lauren
» RE: Not Law That's Lacking Posted by: Quannah
» Remove Mulkasey ! Posted by: weathered
Dream on, folks. Nailing Bush's brain will never happen!
Posted by: HughScott on Aug 11, 2008 3:16 AM   
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Get ready for a permanent jackboot society. Unfit McCain will win in November and continue the Justice Department's protection of Repugnant Rove.

I especially feel that way after watching Christopher Dickey recently on C-SPAN.

Newsweek's Paris bureau chief, he was new to me but not his father, James Dickey, author of the unforgettable 1970 novel, Deliverance.

Like me, the younger Dickey was raised in the Deep South. Using his childhood experience to open doors and minds, he recently toured Republican red states and chatted with the locals. Based on numerous interviews during the trip, he anecdotally concluded that racism is alive and well throughout much of our nation.

Combining frank conversations with various opinion polls, Dickey believes even if 100% of black people vote for Obama, they won't offset the number of white citizens -- Democrats, Republicans and independents -- who don't want a man of color in the White House.

Yet, at the same time, many bigots favor a Democrat-controlled Congress. Never mind that Herr Busch and the goose-stepping GOP has turned the U.S. presidency into a "unitary" executive, with virtually unlimited dictatorial authority over our lives. Thanks to the War Powers Act, Patriot Act, signing statements and Republican Stepford wives in the Senate and House of Representatives, four years under a McCain administration will probably be America's tipping point.

While the rest of the world shakes its collective head in disbelief, this sweet land of liberty my ancestors fought and died for, starting with the American Revolution, will plunge into the dustbin of history as a failed democracy. And treasonous bastards like Karl Rove won't give a damn!


With love,

*Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam vet, lifelong registered Republicn and frustrated Obama supporter.
Seven Reasons to Vote Against Unfit McCain

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» Build it and they will come Posted by: QCao009
» Spot on, aussidawg! Posted by: HughScott
» I hope you're right, Lauren. Posted by: HughScott
Karl Rove is just part of the massive problem
Posted by: Gwazdos on Aug 11, 2008 3:34 AM   
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Now If Pelosi had any real leadership skills she would have had Impeachment on the table from day one,but she was too busy getting her private plane so she could fly home every weekend. Senator Reid is a wusp, had to stand on a bench to pretend he has balls.

Now you won't to finally do the right thing - Bring War Crimes charges against Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield, Rice, Haldley, Doug Feith, Gonzales, plus Karl (Treason) Rove for outing Valerie Plame.
Only then when this bunch of shame to America is in Jail will our Country begin to recover, till them the Republicans the kings of greed and happy with Wars will really rule out America. Yeah I know. Americans don't have the guts to stand up and tell this Congress that is always on Vacation or some trip on our tab to stand tall or be thrown out of office and then we can let the Washington Lobbyist who are all former Republican Senators run the Country further in the Financial hole, but they will be richer and will trickle down there wealth to their banks accounts. In Short we are shrewed by a very bad plaugue called a REPUBLICAN, AND THERE IS NOT CURE AS LONG AS KARL ROVE IS NOT IN JAIL. MCCAIN JUST A SAD JOKE. REMEMBER WHEN HE CALLED HIS WIFE A "CUNT" WITH REPORTERS STANDING RIGHT THERE, WHAT A MAN OF HONOR, PHEW.

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Congress Should Hold Itself In Contempt ...
Posted by: gazooks on Aug 11, 2008 3:53 AM   
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... the rest of the country certainly does.

It's clear who's interests are represented by Congressional leadership. The apparent spinelessness is a measure of depth of special corporate interest corruption and their tangle of affiliates well experienced in diverting and destroying the interests of American citizens.

Rove arrested by Congress? What a laugh! What a disgrace.

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The Arrogance of Being Karl
Posted by: Tom Degan on Aug 11, 2008 5:32 AM   
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Wouldn't you just love to see Karl Rove in a maximum security lock-up for thirty years? And to think that there are news organizations whi still take this disgusting little thug seriously!

As I wrote on my blog almost a year ago on August 14, 2007:

"Say what you want about the man, it can not be argued that Karl Rove is a political genius. When all of the dust is settled, it will have to be conceded that he was able to take a pathetic moron like George W. Bush and not only make him look presidential [at least to some foolish minds], he was able to manipulate a huge segment of the American people into thinking that sending the little thug to the executive mansion was a really neat idea! Several presidents have had Rove-like equivalents at their beck and call. William McKinley had Mark Hanna; Franklin D. Roosevelt had Louis Howe; Harry S Truman had Clark Clifford....But nowhere - nowhere - in history is there anyone who even approaches Karl Rove in terms of pure, Machiavellian intrigue. Hats off to the man."

That aside, to see this little bastard punished for his crimes against the American people would be a blessing from Heaven. I haven't lost hope.

Tom Degan
Goshen, nY
WHERE DO I BEGIN???

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» RE: The Arrogance of Being Karl Posted by: Tom Degan
...and the Sergeant at Arms is an over 60 year old executive.
Posted by: Bearzerker on Aug 11, 2008 5:51 AM   
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The jail cell in the basement of the Capitol doesn't exist and the Sergeant at Arms is an over 60 year old executive...

so what if you have a problem with the paid help?
if Rove's breaking the law, hire a bounty hunter to bring him in, and rent the jail space from super-max incorporated... and keep Rove in solitary until he commits to questioning under oath!

or just talk to anyone off the Bush graft list! [its loaded with paid off judges, prosecutors and prison officials] they could probably provide more dirt than George, Dick & Karl combined!

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McPain will pardon Rove, + BUSH and the Forty Thieves!
Posted by: williameon on Aug 11, 2008 6:54 AM   
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Mirror Mirror on the wall
Who is the Dumbest of them all?
The Ameri-coned People.

Mirror Mirror on the wall
Who is the shrewdest of them all?
Obviously, they that have all the money, make the rules and control the game/(Delusion).
That you live in.
Job One well done.
Destroy the World.
Turd blossom and the Chump walk free
After planting a million of the innocent in a Cemetery.
Accountability?
Hell No!
Endless Sensationalist BU__! SH__!
Hell Yea!
Do the Dirty Deeds and then
Cover the tracks.
"No weapons of mass destruction here"
I think a
Amen and a
Pardon is in order.
The Chimp and Dead Eye are Cowardly, Lying. Spying, Torturing, Murdering Terrorists.
Funk Ben!
Get Bush and the Forty thousand thieves before they do any more harm.
Now that's the News.
Bush goes to Prison.

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Karl Rove's new puppet: Unfit McCain, America's NUMBER ONE NEOCON
Posted by: HughScott on Aug 11, 2008 6:56 AM   
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WARNING TO FREEDOM-LOVING AMERICANS

John McCain is a member (signatory) of the Project for a New American Century (PNAC), a rightwing extremist organization formed in 1997 with the intent of overthrowing Saddam Hussein and dominating the world with U.S. military power.

Prior to joining the PNAC conspiracy, McCain was president of the New Citizenship Project (NCP). Founded in 1994 by PNAC organizer William Kristol, NCP was parent to PNAC and served as its chief fundraising arm.

In 1998, McCain co-sponsored the Iraq Liberation Act. Drafted by PNAC, it decreed "regime change" in Iraq to be U.S. policy. To that end, the act appropriated $97 million in U.S. military aid for the Iraqi National Congress (INC).

INC was a group of anti-Hussein Iraqi militants whose purpose was to instigate a national uprising in Iraq. INC was led by Ahmed Chalabi, the Iraqi informant nicknamed “Curve Ball” whose faulty intelligence claimed that Saddam had WMDs and ties to al-Qaida. Chalabi's "intel" was used by Bush to sell the Iraq invasion to Congress.

In 2002, McCain was co-chair with Sen. Joe Lieberman of the White House-based Committee for the Liberation of Iraq (CLI). Established by PNAC, CLI continued to finance Chalabi's INC with millions of taxpayer dollars until shortly after the U.S. invasion of Iraq, when CLI was disbanded.

Finally, in 2004, McCain officially became a PNAC member by signing a letter from Bill Kristol's organization ironically condemning Russian President Putin’s foreign policy for its return to the “rhetoric of militarism and empire.”

Given Senator McCain's unbending rightwing ideology, it should come as no surprise that many of the old PNAC guard have become foreign policy advisors in his 2008 presidential campaign, such as the following prominent neocons:

Richard L. Armitage: PNAC signatory,

John R. Bolton: PNAC signatory, former U.S. ambassador to U.N. Advocates attacking Iran.

Max Boot: PNAC signatory, columnist, McCain speech writer. Said McCain's "bellicose aura" could "scare the snot out of our enemies," who "would be more afraid to mess with him" than with other then-potential presidential candidates.

Steve Forbes: PNAC founder, flat-tax fanatic

Robert Kagan: PNAC founder.

William Kristol: PNAC founder.

Daniel McKivergan: PNAC deputy director

Randy Scheunemann: PNAC signatory, co-director and executive director of Committee for Liberation of Iraq.

Gary Schmitt: PNAC signatory, AEI Research Fellow. Defended warrantless eavesdropping on Americans by claiming that Constitution "created a unitary chief executive who could, in times of war or emergency, act with the decisiveness, dispatch and, yes, secrecy, needed to protect the country and its citizens."

James Woolsey: PNAC signatory, Director of the CIA, 1993-1995.

Robert B. Zollick: PNAC signatory, President, World Bank.

PNAC has disbanded but its imperial mission of "changing the world with American military might" (a Max Boot quote) continues with more vigor than ever, thanks in part to the so-called "success" of McCain's Iraq surge. Should he become president, Iran WILL be attacked, with Karl Rove, still a free man, gleefully celebrating.


With love,

*Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam vet and lifelong registered Republican.
Seven Reasons to Vote Against Unfit McCain

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Jane Harman Doesn't Ever Answer her Constituent's Letters
Posted by: Outspokengrandmother on Aug 11, 2008 7:02 AM   
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Even if Zoe, whatever her name is, is uninformed and ignorant - if not deliberately telling a falsehood to her constituents, at least she answers her constituents. Jane Harman - creator of the "Thought Police Legislation" never answers any letters from her constituency. It's time to do a lot of housecleaning of Democrats and Republicans for their failures to protect us from the likes of Rove, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzales, Rice, Powell....oh yes, Powell who still coasts on a respect he no longer deserves.

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heiscriminal
Posted by: joshu on Aug 11, 2008 7:26 AM   
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It would be a small consolation for all the destruction this evil man has wrought upon the world, to see him behind bars for a very long time!!!

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Blah, blah, blah
Posted by: nikolai on Aug 11, 2008 8:34 AM   
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IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN. We The People will have to wait until January, after the turd blossom is pardoned and this piece of dog feces is out "among us." Then we can take action ourselves and flush this turd once and for all.

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Start Fining FOX Muse ALREADY
Posted by: godsbreath64 on Aug 11, 2008 8:46 AM   
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Even a marginally lawfull society would be fining Fox Muse every time they interview the executive felony chowderhead during his absconding.

Turn thyself in, monkey dung!!!

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Use Your Power To Force Impeach Hearings (or lose it forever)
Posted by: JohnHKennedy Denver CO on Aug 11, 2008 8:53 AM   
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"As John Dean points out, Bush/Cheney have broken the same laws Nixon did, only Nixon's actions did not cost the lives of over 4000 brave American men and women".

Bush and Cheney are the most impeachable US executives in American history. The failure of the House Democrats to hold Bush and Cheney accountable for the WMD Lies is unforgiveable.

The only way any Incumbent House Democrat will get my vote is to hold Impeachment Hearings prior to the election. But withholding my vote is not enough. I and you must take to the street to get other voters to withhold their votes from Incumbent Democratic Congressmen. We will not have Impeachment Hearings prior to the election unless you do this.

No matter what Bush/Cheney Crimes evidence comes out the House Democrats will try to ignore it.

The Democrats control Congress and can start Impeachment Hearings with a simple majority vote. The Dems have the votes.

In addition, any of the so called progressive organizations are also in lockstep with the House Democrats (such as: MoveOn, ACLU & UFPJ ) and against impeachment. It will take a very hard fight to over come this and some real courage on the part of individual voters.

In Colorado we have actually been doing negative campaigning against all incumbent Democratic Congressmen who refuse even to discuss impeachment.

We have a Congressman Udall who is running to be a Senator from Colorado. He supposedly has a liberal background but is moving right as fast as he can. He avoids all protesters who want to stop the Iraq War funding and who support impeachment.

Even so, the race for the US Senate from Colorado is statistically "too close to call", so we have a real chance to make a difference here. Since the race is "so close" we believe that we actually can stop Udall from winning and going to the Senate.

The way we are doing this is by doing "Negative Protesting" at our weekly impeachment events, at all of his public events and by constant "commenting" on all newspaper articles about Udall (nationwide).

We only have to sway the vote of a very small percentage of voters to keep Udall out of the Senate. This is doable.

We believe that all (or most) of the power to cause impeach is local. If you activists are willing to get between the Incumbent Democratic Congressmen and the voters in their Congressional Districts, We will have impeachment hearings.

United For Peace And Justice issued a press release nearly a year ago demanding impeachment, but strangely, even though UFPJ controls over 1,400 local peace & justice activist groups, UPFJ has Never Called Them To The Streets To Support Impeachment. Why? Do they have some kind of deal with the House Democrats?

And of course there is MoveOn, that paragon of progressive action, which refuses to tolerate the use of the I-word in its presence. MoveOn is getting flack from the Left for its tendency to kiss up to the DLC Dems in the Congress. MoveOn could eliminate that negativity instantly by coming out forcefully for immediate Impeachment Hearings.

Unless Angry Liberal Democrats, Independents, Republicans, Greens and the rest of you get off the couch and carry signs in front of all Incumbent House Democratic Congressmen's offices with harsh language such as

"UDALL is a Traitor to Our Constitution because he Refuses To Impeach"... There Will Be No Impeachment. It is up to you. John H Kennedy, Denver CO, 43 yr Democratic voter, Obama delegate to the Denver County Democratic Convention, organizer of the IMPEACH COLORADO COALITION http://ImpeachCO.com

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Words vs. Actions
Posted by: mgloraine on Aug 11, 2008 9:01 AM   
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Congress is quick to flap its gums about the Constitution, the rule of law, and contempt as exhibited by the entire Cheney-Bush Gang. However, at no time have they actually attempted to exercise any of the powers assigned to them by that Constitution to address the criminal conspiracy which seized control of the White House in 2000. Actions speak much louder than words, and there has been a deafening silence of action from Congress, despite all of the jabbering.

The Decider decreed upon attacking Iraq that "If you're not with us, you're against us." The other side of that coin is that if you're not against him, then you must be with him! The complete lack of actions against the Cheney-Bush criminal enterprise states one thing very clearly: ALL of Congress has been complicit with the Bush crime spree, including both Clinton and Obama. All of the talk about opposing BushCo is pure BS for the corporate media to disseminate to the peasants in order to ensure complacency and inaction from the populace while Congress gives away the wealth of the nation (keeping large shares of the loot for themselves), and permanently eradicates every last vestige of Constitutional protections and "unalienable rights".

Congress is and has been collaborating with the Bush Crime Family in every one of their plots against the People. What makes anyone think they will ever take legal action against Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, Bush, Rumsfeld, Gonzales, or any of the other criminals whom our Congressional representatives idolize as political geniuses? They all want to be just like Karl Rove, and as time passes that is starting to come true.

We will not see any action taken against any of the BushCo criminals without replacing all of their collaborators in Congress. But since the electoral infrastructure has been effectively rigged to produce whatever result Dick Cheney and his corporate masters command, there will never be another fair election in this country.

It will take a while for the peasants to realize the truth: that the instruments of government have been seized by corporate fascists engaging in organized crime and war on the populace. We can't vote them out of office because our votes are routinely discarded and replaced with fictional results. Unless the People of this country are ready for Revolution II, we have already witnessed the end of our democracy.

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Why Unfit McCain's presidential campaign, thanks to Karl Rove, will succeed
Posted by: HughScott on Aug 11, 2008 9:13 AM   
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The appendix of my 2004 nonfiction book, George Dub-ya Bush, THE PHONY FIGHTER PILOT, contains what I believe is the most revealing article ever written about why Bush was reelected. For that reason, I got reprint rights from the publisher, Time magazine.

Authored by Time writers John F. Dickinson and Karen Tumult, the piece appeared in the December 1, 2003, edition under the title, “Love Him, Hate Him”

If Ronald Reagan was the Great Communicator, Bush is proving to be the Great Polarizer. Reagan and then Bill Clinton ushered in the modern age of the acrimoniously divided electorate, but George Bush has cleaved the nation into two tenaciously opposed camps even more than his predecessors. People tend to love him or hate him without any complicating shades of gray.

[Bush] has spoken loudly and carried a big stick, and expanded the role of America in the world without apology or much diplomacy. As President, he has moved away from the compromises of triangulation and coalition building to the politics of certainty. He may be wrong, he may be right, but he is never in doubt.

The national coming together and one-size-fits-all patriotism that America saw in the months that followed 9/11 is now a distant memory. In many ways it has been Bush himself who shattered that comity. He came to Washington promising to unite and not divide, and he has made good on his pledge. Republicans are as united behind him as they have ever been

So it’s no surprise that the theme of Bush’s first presidential ad of the campaign is essentially: I, George Bush, am the war against terrorism. "Some are now attacking the President for attacking the terrorists," the ad suggests darkly. After him, the deluge.

Bush’s malaprops and mangled syntax have given the late-night comedians as much material as Bill Clinton's sex life once did. But what’s most revealing—and what drives people into one corner or the other—is the words he doesn’t stumble over. “Dead or alive.” “Bring ‘em on!”

In scary and uncertain times, this kind of forcefulness is what some people want more than anything else. A Miami teacher, Rose Ramirez, 57, declares, “It’s about time we have a President that has the balls to do the right thing. People forget about 9/11.”

Whereas Bush prided himself on building bipartisan coalitions in Texas, he has done little to stop G.O.P congressional leaders in Washington from all but shutting out Democrats from the negotiating process—depriving them of any say, or credit, for such crucial legislation as a Medicare prescription-drug benefit and an energy-policy overhaul.

Karl Rove carries in his briefcase a laminated card to help remind him of the central dynamic of the 2004 election. It shows five neat bar graphs for each presidential election since 1988 and last year's midterm election. Republicans are in red, Democrats are in blue, and between them a shrinking wedge of green shows the independent voter, a segment that has diminished with each contest.

Replace Bush with McCain in the extracts above and you have a good idea of where the Arizona senator's campaign s headed. The fact that Barrack Obama is black (or half black) only makes McCain a more likely winner.

*Hugh E. Scott, Vietnam vet, lifelong registered Republican and ardent Obama supporter.
Seven Reasons to Vote Against Unfit McCain

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» A combination of both, Lauren. Posted by: HughScott
Time is long past for accountability!!!
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Aug 11, 2008 9:38 AM   
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While it is unfortunate, Congress refuses to act on anything that might bring more scrutiny (& possible jail-time?) to themselves, now is the time that we the people need to continue to hold their collective feet to the fire! Last November many of the people running were taking a progressive tack, and talking the talk so that they could get elected! Well, now is the time for them to walk the walk!

This country has allowed ourselves to be dis-graced over the last 8 years especially. Now is the time for all good people of conscious, to act responsibly and call and demand that Congress start the process of setting things right! It's time for the adults to take charge, and stop letting the spoiled little rich kids "play at government"!

Just in case people have forgotten why the Constitution exists, here is the preamble:
“We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

These are not just words! Justice has not been established, domestic Tranquility is a disaster for millions of us, general welfare is only for the wealthy, and if you think these wars of aggression help to secure our liberty, think again.....

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Here's the deal (maybe)
Posted by: willymack on Aug 11, 2008 10:25 AM   
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Pelosi, et al can't really be all that stupid, disloyal, or gutless. They know something we don't, and that something precludes any action against the bushies while they're in power. karl rove is another matter. He should be brought in and intensively interrogated.If waterboarding or some of the other techniques this "administration" insists are harmless are necessary, so be it. My take on the pasty-faced little turd is that it won't be necessary, he'll scare easily enough and spill his guts. My thought is that he's got enough on the bushie nest of vipers to put the sorry lot away for a thousand years. Extract the information and use it, either now or after the bushies are out of power, if necessary.

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» RE: Here's the deal (maybe) Posted by: Lauren
My qualifications for writing “George Dub-ya Bush: THE PHONY FIGHTER PILOT”
Posted by: HughScott on Aug 11, 2008 10:27 AM   
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I’m posting this comment because several AlterNet users constantly accuse me of being a “fraud, liar, fifth grade journalist, etc,” even though they never read my book. Hopefully the information below will change that false perception other AlterNetters may have.

PHONY FIGHTER PILOT addresses two major subjects: aviation and military service.

In the American justice system as it pertains to prosecutions of criminal pilot behavior—such as flying while intoxicated, the biggest killer in private aviation—I am qualified to testify as an expert witness.

My aviation expertise comes from service as an Air Force pilot, civilian aviator and Continental Airlines cockpit crewmember, with the following experience:

Total pilot flying time: 16,700 hours.
Aircraft flown: Cessna 152/172/182/210, USAF T34, T28, T33, T37, C47, KC135, B52 (10 flights as a relief pilot on 24-hour airborne alert missions), B707, B720, B727, B737, B747 and DC10.
Eight years as a CAL 727 line captain.

In 1984, during the Continental 11 bankruptcy strike, to support my family, I joined Los Angeles-based Western Airlines as a B737 Flight Simulator Instructor and FAA-certified Check Airman.

The position made me responsible for training and evaluating WAL pilots in crew coordination, visual flying techniques, instrument procedures, knowledge of aircraft systems and emergency procedures. I also administered proficiency checks and conducted FAA rating rides.

When the Continental walkout ended in 1985, rather than fly with strikebreakers whom I considered untrustworthy like President Bush, I took early retirement and stayed at Western. In 1989, a merger with Delta Air Lines eliminated my instructor job and I accepted a management position in Atlanta developing computer-based training programs for DAL line pilots on DC9, L1011, MD11, B737-300 and B757/767 jetliners.

I also have been a certified FAA flight instructor in single-engine civilian aircraft, such as the six-passenger Cessna 210.

As for my military background, I graduated from Texas A&M University where I was a proud member of the Fighting Aggie Corps of Cadets.

After going on active USAF duty, I was an Air Force intelligence officer in Washington, DC, where I worked with the CIA before it moved to Langley. My two years of inteligence gathering earned me a Regular Air Force commission. The research skills I learned at the CIA were used throughout my book.

Finally, no investigative journalist has more in common with Bush. Consider the experiences and background below that I share with Dub-ya.

We both lived in Texas and speak with the same accent.
Our parents married young and never divorced.
We are the oldest of at least three children, including one sister
We attended Methodist churches.
We grew up in the petroleum industry.
Our fathers were oil company executives.
They taught us to play golf at an early age.
We went to high school in Houston.
We attended all-male college/prep schools.
I went to A&M, the home of Bush 41’s Presidential Library
Dub-ya and I were academic underachievers.
We worked in the oil business as adults.
We entered the Air Force as Reserve second lieutenants.
We went through USAF flight school in Georgia.
We flew the same primary training aircraft.
We lived in bachelor officer’s quarters and raised hell at the O’Club.
We romanced our wives in dashing Air Force uniforms
They are strong women and have never divorced us.
We curse like sailors to their dismay.
We have adult daughters but no sons.
Finally, we were heavy smokers who quit by going cold turkey.

Enough said.

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» *Sigh* This is the internet, you know. Posted by: Illiteratilumen
» Sources? Citations? Posted by: Illiteratilumen
Maria
Posted by: civildisobedient on Aug 11, 2008 12:47 PM   
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For years, I've participated in many nonviolent direct actions (civil resistance) in DC and was most recently arrested in the Ghosts of War action in which 12 of us stood up in the Senate Gallery and implored senators on the floor to stop funding the war and empire. We were arrested faster than it took for Karl Rove to decide not to comply with his subpoena. If they can arrest us for exercising our First Amendment rights, they can arrest and detain Rove. Mr. Swanson is correct when he says there are any number of places below the Capitol and Senate and House buildings to hold Rove and any number of jails in close proximity which would love to host him as their guest. Over the course of various conversations with my own jailers, I know some of them look forward to seeing him take his rightful place.

He's the criminal. But then again, that's really the way this country works, isn't it? Those of us who are committed to seeing our government obey the law go to jail while those who have done everything they can to destroy it and this country remain free. What was I thinking?

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Chop them off, if he has any.
Posted by: sirios on Aug 11, 2008 2:44 PM   
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I would suggest the same treatment that Bob Barker mentioned at the end of every Price is Right, relating to pets, be applied to Mr. Rove[r]. An added frontal lobotomy would be nice also.

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The catacombs of Congress
Posted by: richardbelldc on Aug 11, 2008 6:02 PM   
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There are thousands of square feet of great jail space in the bowels of the Capitol.

Back in the late 1980s, long before the security-mania of our post-911 world, I used to have occasion to walk through the lower levels of the Capitol, several sub-basements down. By walking down the corridors branching off the main cross-Capitol corridor, I found many Roman-like stone arches providing direct access to large low-ceilinged areas with unfinished dirt and rock floors.

As for Rove and the rest of the thugs in this criminal regime, I think these basement spaces could be used almost as is to confine reluctant witnesses until they were willing to speak. A few shackles screwed into the Capitol's foundation stones would be sufficient. Maybe not as snazzy as Guantanamo, but then we are running a big deficit. And for entertainment, Rove would have what seemed to me to be a fairly active population of rats and spiders.

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Abuse of power
Posted by: rickiey on Aug 13, 2008 7:00 AM   
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By Congress, that is.

The Judiciary Committee is taking Karl Rove's failure to testify very seriously, and we are currently considering all options -- including contempt proceedings -- to compel him to answer important questions regarding the firing of several U.S. attorneys.

1. Congress does not have the authority to question this in the first place. The attorneys serve at the pleasure of the president (US Constitiution). The executive branch does NOT need to give a reason for firing them, to the legislative branch or anyone else. The branches of government are supposed to be equal, not the executive branch being the legislative's bitch.

2. The investigational authority of the legislative branch is NOT directed for criminal proceedings. It is to investigate and find information for the use in decision-making on passing laws. The ONLY applicable judicial authority of the legislative branch, is the impeachment of the President or Vice-President. Any other attempts by congress to hold a trial, is usurping the power of the Judicial branch, again violating the seperation of powers.

Congress needs to impeach, or shut the hell up and do their OWN jobs. Quite frankly, Congress isn't doing THEIR job well, we have several laws that need fixing, a budget that is out of control, and several OTHER legislative issues.

Perhaps if the legislative branch weren't trying to be the Judicial and Executive branches as well, they'd be able to do THEIR jobs right.

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How we got your country
Posted by: maloo on Aug 14, 2008 7:41 AM   
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So if I'm part of an ethnic group that's less than 2% of the population how can we possibly gain control? We'd need to create allies. The majority we're up against are real capitalists, in fact they built their booming economy by inventing and manufacturing just about everything in the last century. We are more 'anti-capitalism' so we created unions. Now they all vote with us so they can make more money and not work as hard as their non-union neighbors. Another large group we recruited was Afro-Americans. We ran the Civil Rights movement, got them all sorts of programs, encouraged their population boom and now they are voting with us. But there was still too many of these original 'real american' type yahoos voting against us so we changed the immigration policy and let lots of different cultures in to make us more 'diverse'. They now get all kinds of benefits so they vote with us. Oh and the Gays are all ours. We totally support them and whatever excesses they can think of. That goes for child molesters, pornographers, gangstas- anything the Christian majority has a problem with. Our ACLU protects them. And makes sure we don't have to endure their Christmas celebration anymore.

Without much opposition we were able to buy up just about all of their information sources. We have our people writing and producing most of the news, movies, magazines, books, TV shows and reviews. Now our liberal fringe ideas are considered 'politically correct'. Lots of our award winning shows and articles (we control the awards of course) work in a little bit about how bad our government ,corporations and 'narrow minded white men' are and how really great and misunderstood gays, immigrants and minorities are. Our people run the public broadcasting, schools and universities making sure no alternative message gets through.

We had it made for a while. Then Limbaugh slipped through somehow. We got a book out as fast as we could -'Rush Limbaugh is a big fat idiot'. That's the kind of attack we use. Ann Coulter is stupid. O'Reilly is stupid. We do our best to control the Internet and soon hope to shut down what we consider 'hate' sites. No, not the DailyKos, that's good hate. Google is ours and we have so many rabid bloggers you'd think we were the majority in this 'democracy'.

Our history with other host countries hasn't been that good. When we got a good foothold here we finally had the power to create a homeland of our own. A safe place we couldn't be thrown out of when we get 'found out'. We got the 'real americans' to pay for it by tying it in with their Christianity and 'stability in the middle east'. Three billion a year and anyone in government who questions it finds their opponent supported by our huge lobby.

We recruit any 'real american' types we can to be our puppets. They make a lot of money if they behave. Some of our favorites are Al Gore, Katie Couric, and any actors who want to work.

This country has really been a cakewalk. 'Real americans' were so caring and moral they'll accept all our schemes to buy voters using their tax dollars. More programs to help minorities and immigrants. They've seen nothing but positive portrayals from us so 'sure'.

We may have milked them dry now though. They seemed to have an endless supply of riches from their inventive creativity and hard work. A few of those early heroes like Henry Ford and Charles Lindbergh tried to warn them about us. We sued and wrote negative stuff about them. That's worked very well for us. Like Joe McCarthy, ever seen anything positive about him? Okay only from Ann Coulter. She's stupid.

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