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Democracy and Elections

How Washington's Right-Wing Wrecking Crew Robbed Us Blind

By Thomas Frank, Tomdispatch.com. Posted August 6, 2008.


Conservatives have turned a vast government built for our protection into a device for exploiting us.
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Washington is the city where the scandals happen. Every American knows this, but we also believe, if only vaguely, that the really monumental scandals are a thing of the past, that the golden age of misgovernment-for-profit ended with the cavalry charge and the robber barons, at about the same time presidents stopped wearing beards.

I moved to Washington in 2003, just in time for the comeback, for the hundred-year flood. At first it was only a trickle in the basement, a little stream released accidentally by the president's friends at Enron. Before long, though, the levees were failing all over town, and the city was inundated with a muddy torrent of graft.

How are we to dissect a deluge like this one? We might begin by categorizing the earmarks handed out by Congress, sorting the foolish earmarks from the costly earmarks from the earmarks made strictly on a cash basis. We could try a similar approach to government contracting: the no-bid contracts, the no-oversight contracts, the no-experience contracts, the contracts handed out to friends of the vice president. We might consider the shoplifting career of one of the president's former domestic policy advisers or the habitual plagiarism of the president's liaison to the Christian right. And we would certainly have to find some way to parse the extraordinary incompetence of the executive branch, incompetence so fulsome and steady and reliable that at some point Americans stopped being surprised and began simply to count on it, to think of incompetence as the way government works.

But the onrushing flow swamps all taxonomies. Mass firing of federal prosecutors; bribing of newspaper columnists; pallets of shrink-wrapped cash "misplaced" in Iraq; inexperienced kids running the Baghdad stock exchange; the discovery that many of Alaska's leading politicians are apparently on the take -- our heads swim. We climb to the rooftop, but we cannot find the heights of irony from which we might laugh off the blend of thug and Pharisee that was Tom DeLay -- or dispel the nauseating suspicion, quickly becoming a certainty, that the government of our nation deliberately fibbed us into a pointless, catastrophic war.

Bad Apples All Around

So let us begin on the solid ground of these simple facts: this spectacular episode of misrule has coincided with both the political triumph of conservatism and with the rise of the Washington area to the richest rank of American metropolises. In the period I am describing, gentlemen of the right rolled through the capital like lords of creation. Every spigot was open, and every indulgence slopped out for their gleeful wallowing. All the clichs roared at full, unembarrassed volume: the wines gurgled, the T-bones roasted, the golf courses beckoned, the Learjets zoomed, the contractors' glass buildings sprouted from the earth, and the lobbyists' mansions grew like brick-colonial mushrooms on the hills of northern Virginia.

Democrats, for their part, have tried to explain the flood of misgovernment as part of a "culture of corruption," a phrase at once obviously true and yet so amorphous as to be quite worthless. Republicans have an even simpler answer: government failed, they tell us, because it is the nature of government enterprises to fail. As for the great corruption cases of recent years, they cluck, each is merely a one-of-a-kind moral lapse unconnected to any particular ideology -- an individual bad apple with no effect on the larger barrel.

Which leaves us to marvel helplessly at what appears to be a spectacular run of lousy luck. My, what a lot of bad apples they are growing these days!

Corruption is uniquely reprehensible in a democracy because it violates the system's first principle, which we all learned back in the sunshiny days of elementary school: that the government exists to serve the public, not particular companies or individuals or even elected officials. We Are the Government, insisted the title of a civics primer published in the earnest year of 1945. "The White House belongs to you," its dust jacket told us. "So do all the other splendid buildings in Washington, D.C. For you are a citizen of the United States." For you, young citizen, does the Post Office carry letters to every hamlet in the nation. For you does the Department of Agriculture research better plowing methods and the Bureau of Labor Statistics add up long columns of numbers.

The government and its vast workforce serve the people: The idea is so deep in the American grain that we can't bring ourselves to question it, even in this disillusioned age. Republicans and Democrats may fight over how big government should be and exactly what it should do, but almost everyone shares those baseline good intentions, we believe, that devotion to the public interest.

We continue to believe this in even the most improbable circumstances. Take the worst apple of them all, lobbyist Jack Abramoff, whose astonishing career as a corruptionist has been unreeling in newspaper and congressional investigations since I came to Washington. Abramoff started out as a great political success story, a protg and then a confidant of the leaders of the conservative faction of the Republican Party. But his career disintegrated on news of the inventive ways he ripped off his clients and the luxury meals and lavish trips with which he bribed legislators.


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Thomas Frank, the author of What's the Matter with Kansas?, is the founding editor of The Baffler, a contributing editor at Harper's, and, most recently, a columnist for the Wall Street Journal. His WSJ columns can be read at his website. He lives, of course, in Washington D.C. and this essay has been adapted from his new book, The Wrecking Crew: How Conservatives Rule (Metropolitan Books, 2008)

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These people are evil ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Aug 6, 2008 12:45 AM   
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“The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.”

- John Kenneth Galbraith

Progressives and liberals ( I am one ) have always shied away from calling political adversaries evil. But these people are evil. They take pleasure in inflicting pain and ruin on others. They lie and cheat without batting an eyelash, without any moral qualms.

The definition of "evil "

wiki : "Evil is a broad term used to indicate a negative moral or ethical judgment, often used to describe intentional acts that are cruel, unjust, or selfish. "

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Just a few questions about "conservatives"
Posted by: jreal on Aug 6, 2008 2:17 AM   
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The conservatives liked to throw around the word terrorism to scare people about groups like environmentalists and peaceful protestors.

But aren't conservatives themselves the terrorist?

Are not "conservatives" terrorists of the economy?

Are not "conservatives" terrorists of the environment?

Are not "conservatives" terrorists of 3rd world countries?

And isn't the Bush Administration terrorist to the U.S. Constitution?

I propose in light of the article, and to the accounts we have witnessed not only in the past eight years but the past 30 years, that the symbol of the Republican Party be changed from an elephant to a gigantic pig... a terrorist of self moderation, respect, conservatism.

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Great Article
Posted by: Tom Degan on Aug 6, 2008 2:19 AM   
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I have not read Thomas Frank's new book but I have every intention of doing so. His book of two years ago, "What's The Matter With Kansas" is one of the best things regarding the sorry state of the American electorate that has ever been written.

What is happening to our once great country is crystal clear to anyone who has bothered to pay attention all these years. For the fourth time in history the American people are in the process of relearning a lesson they should have learned almost a century and a half ago during the Grant administration. That lesson is this:

Conservative pholosophy of government does not work. Period. It never has. It never will.

At three different times in our history, the plutocracy (today we call it the looney right wing) has seized control of all three branches of our government. And every single time they have run this country into the economic ditch. And now it has happened yet again....

I'm shocked. Shocked.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
Coming of Age in the Sixties

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» More self serving posts Posted by: progressive-life
Thanks for supporting UnfitMcCain.com
Posted by: HughScott on Aug 6, 2008 2:41 AM   
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Seven days ago, I started tracking hits on my new nonprofit Web site, www.UnfitMcCain.com.

On the home page, I request visitors to recommend UnfitMcCain.com to family and friends with five emails that ask each recipient to do the same.

Amazingly, after 202 hits on Day One, the total jumped yesterday to 105,211!

Thanks again and please keep the Anti-McCain Straight Talk Express rolling.

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It's Not a Left Vs Right Thing. The Entire Political System is Hopelessly Corrupt.
Posted by: opmoc on Aug 6, 2008 4:01 AM   
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conservative philosophy is not intrinsically evil, and neither is communism.

Its equivalent to christianity vs islam. Religion in itself isn't intrinsically evil and it forms the basis of good moral code.

Its not the politics nor the religion that are the real problem, but the personalities of the people who are attracted to reach positions of power.

Power attracts sociopaths - people who are ruthless, have no conscience whatsoever.

96% of the population are relatively normal and conscience and guilt moderates their behaviour.

4% have no conscience and no guilt.

The vast majority of people in powerful positions fall in this category.

Its not that the left are good and the right are bad.

The entire bleedin lot of them - with very few exceptions - stink to high heaven.

This won't get fixed by voting.

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Party is not the Problem; It's the Money
Posted by: edgar1 on Aug 6, 2008 4:53 AM   
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Up and down the boulevards and wide streets of DC, Connecticut Ave, Penn Ave. K St, 17th St and in the multimillion dollar restored townhouses within walking distance of the Capitol, are law firms and lobbying firms. They are filled with former Democratic and Republican staffers on the Hill and from White Houses of the past. And lo and behold- we see figures from the past like Bob Livingston, George Mitchell, Bob Dole and Tom Daschle getting into limos outside the wide glass enclosed atriums of their multimillion dollar marble and glass sanctuaries their palaces. They are on their way to the cloakrooms where they still have access, to the exclusive clubs like Cosmos or Metropolitan, filled with Dems and GOP'ers alike. What's missing? Ordinary working people discussing real issues with key congressional leaders. you know, real people have jobs and families to take care of.

Washington is filled with whores. Most are white, male, wear thousand dollar suits and five hundred dollar shoes and drive eighty thousand dollar cars. They are members of both parties and denizens of expensive restaurants and clubs where public policy is made (or is often the case, decisions to do nothing are made). And of course the omnipresent "fundraisers". Hate to disappoint Mr. Frank; these bipartisan pirates attend each other's fundraisers as well, regardless of parties. Practically all members of Congress have de facto seats for life. When that sinecure is yielded, they move on to the even more world of "law" and lobbying, Washington-style.

Neither Mr. Change nor Mr. Maverick have proposed a single idea to stop this gross distortion of legal practice and the right to petition one's representatives.

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America's mobster mentality.
Posted by: PJAW on Aug 6, 2008 5:11 AM   
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Anyone who watched the HBO hit series "The Sopranos" got a glimpse into the way "our" government works in it's current incarnation. (or, for that matter, through much of its history) You publicly pay lip service to traditional "values", such as family, faith and country but only to create a veneer of respectability for yourself that covers a much darker reality. You proclaim the merits of hard work, fair play, honesty and ingenuity, but you are a lazy, stupid, self-indulgent cheat who would likely starve to death if you had to rely on your own industry and talents. But you don't, because you possess a ready willingness to resort to violence and intimidation to take as much as you can, from whomever will submit, for yourself and your own.

Conservatism itself is not evil. True conservatism and liberalism have a nearly identical vision of what the world should be like, rewards for hard work and ingenuity, and charity to those who cannot provide for themselves. Conservatism's main problem is that it believes (or says it believes) in the basic goodness of humanity and views government enforcement of that goodness as intrusive and wasteful.

Greed and avarice migrate toward power, without it they can't fulfull themselves. Liberalism had its share of corruption during its heyday, but the era of deregulation ushered in by Reagan and the "modern conservative movement" has unleashed it in unprecedented ways. Much of this is due to the obfuscation created by new technologies. Predation now has a global playground and the local crook who was once known to and dealt cautiously with by everyone in the community, can be a slick looking web page or a seductive infomercial. And no one is keeping tabs on them, let alone attempting to regulate them. Instead, they're busy monitoring your phone calls and library records, or scaring you with the belief that they are, while the real scoundrels are making sizable campaign contributions to secure their privileged lifestyle.

What's the answer? Damned if I know. I'm just tryin' to get by as simply as I can within a perverted social context that makes it damned difficult. I know I'm not voting for any Republicans anytime soon.

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» RE: America's mobster mentality. Posted by: ProgressiveManiac
Not Really New
Posted by: thebeerdoctor on Aug 6, 2008 5:32 AM   
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Although I applaud Thomas Frank's sentiments, this article does not really present anything new, unless you never heard of Jack A, and Tom Delay before. The other thing I had trouble with was some of the language, the use of a non word "protg" instead of protege. And "Zedna-clad" had me clicking to Google. I sense his cleverness was over the head of my tiny brain.

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It Is A Left Versus Right Thing
Posted by: bc430 on Aug 6, 2008 5:48 AM   
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and those on the Right who Hate Government must be kept far from Government. That would be the responsibility of the non neocon community. The overwhelming majority of earth's population is non neocon.

It is a tragic mistake indeed to take flying leaps into the philosophical depths of the generalized imperfection of humankind and excuse the documented waste that so called conservative, right wing belief systems have always delivered whenever and wherever there is opportunity. The resulting north/south, have/have not outcome must not continue to be mistakenly and criminally blamed on the will of God and the Left Leaning Libruls. Ronald Reagan and all who think like him are always wrong. People who hate Government have but one agenda. Destroy Government. Rape it, rob it, steal it, kill it, destroy it!

New American Century - 1941.
PNAC - Last 8 Years.

Hoover - Great Depression.
The in between years - laying the foundation.
Cheney/Bush - Great Catastrophe.

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Discovering The Truth Of The Evil in Our Western Society is Totally Shocking
Posted by: opmoc on Aug 6, 2008 5:57 AM   
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In 1992 I thought I was reasonably well informed and educated. I was not yet 40, was working very hard with two young children.

I completely believed in the goodness of people and of Western values. I even believed in the justice of the first Gulf War. An evil regime not only had Weapons of Mass Destruction - but had used them - and then had invaded Kuwait. We removed them from Kuwait and went home - whilst their WMD's were disarmed by the UN.

But though working hard - I was asleep to the truth. I believed most of which I was fed from the media.

Most people even now in our society are still of the same mindset that I was in 1992.

Then came the Millennium, and I still had an overwhelming feeling of optimism - not just for my own Western culture - but for the future of the entire World.

I envisaged the prospect of the human race developing into a sustainable peaceful society with poverty gradually being eradicated throughout the world.

I was incredibly naive.

In 1992 I should have bought the album "Rage Against The Machine"

I should have been of the mindset

"Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me"

But instead I had a bullet in my head

"Ya standin' in line
Believin' the lies
Ya bowin' down to the flag
Ya gotta bullet in ya head"

Its a lot worse than you think - you just haven't woken up yet.

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The right wing: thieves and tyrants
Posted by: citizenjoe on Aug 6, 2008 6:02 AM   
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These people hate the government and we elect them to run the government? What do we expect we are going to get? They treat the American government as a great tax farm that gives contracts and favors to their corporate friends. Remember, $9 billion went entirely missing in Iraq. That is not petty thievery or cheating; its a major crime against the people and should be punished as such.

Lets get people into government who believe in serving the people-- does this take a revolution? Does it take a revolution to have a decent national health service, a national post office, a national railway? The triumph of the right wing is a great defeat for the American people and for the world. And yes indeed it has something to do with fascism, the doctrine of national and corporate world supremacy!

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America, 1776-1963
Posted by: chiefwanadubie on Aug 6, 2008 6:10 AM   
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The shot heard around the world, was the death blow, of the constitution!!! Since the British invasion, and L.B.J., The government has been at war with it's own citizens, dividing us up into factions, making money, and fear, Americas newest Gods!!! America, is the constitution, and without it, were just Mother England!!! 99.9% of the people with money, in America, got it at the expense, of their neighbors, friends, family, and the constitution!!! Special privilege, is an act of treason, because, it's not liberty and justice, for all, and it's time for them to pay off their debt--- the deficit---$16,000,000,000.00 America will never be free again, until this debt, is paid in full, and all those responsible, robbed of their ill gotten boo-tie, tried, and executed for treason!!! BUSINESS, GOVERNMENT, RELIGION!!! Lawyers, doctors, and clergy, the stock market, and the lobbyist, and of course the media!!! It's time to "UNITE TO DIVIDE" and to hold them accountable, for their treasonous acts!!! It's time to send the troops against the government, the true terrorists!!!

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The Reptilians must live with Their Evil SPAWN: W 4 WRONG bush!
Posted by: williameon on Aug 6, 2008 6:14 AM   
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If they steal our votes again?
Which in all probability will happen again.
Revolt
If we win the Election- a long shot: Considering who counts the votes!
Free the media.
If things stay the same with no representation in our Government.
SURGE
PURGE
Update
And
REBOOT!

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Sad
Posted by: GreyFoxThree on Aug 6, 2008 6:25 AM   
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Pretty sad isnt it. The Sheeple have just about had enough.

JT
Ultimate Anonymity

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"Conservative" ?
Posted by: Last Chance on Aug 6, 2008 6:31 AM   
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The only thing the Republicans trying to conserve is the wealth and power of their predatory class. Decent people try to conserve the environment, the Constitution, a balanced federal budget and a grass roots democratic way of life. So, who is the true conservative?

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good points.....
Posted by: using on Aug 6, 2008 6:53 AM   
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so...what to do .......before there is nothing left to do.

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Welcome back, Mr. Frank. Your book on Kansas was very inspiring. :)
Posted by: jwverez on Aug 6, 2008 7:03 AM   
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I look forward to learning more from your next book. We're gonna need a couple of decades to have any chance of reversing the damage done by the rightwing motherfucking assholes !

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Bastardized 'Protestant Work Ethic' moral doctine
Posted by: Purple Girl on Aug 6, 2008 7:03 AM   
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We must look at what motivates these people beyond money and power.
It is the twisted version of the 'Protestant work Ethic'
'God ' has already decided if you will be one given opportuities and good fortune- or denied them. So 'god' has either already blessed you- or condemned you.
If you are blessed then you must use these blessing to continue to be 'Blessed' and accept your standing, and recognize those who were Not are being punished for their 'sins'. so to help them would be going against 'God's Will'.
If you waste your Blessing, or fail to continue to accumaulate proof of your Blessedness, you are also Denying 'Gods Will'.
I hear there is a 'Religion' in DC that specifically Sen Clinton attends.who else attends the 'Blessed are We' church?
When some one like Cheney has more money than will ever be needed for himself and his heirs, and acts as the most powerful man in th World- what is it that motivates him to continue his Crimes against Humanity? The Delusion that he has been Anointed by the Almighty?
This is the same underlying ideology which has allowed the Caste systems to survive in many other countries for millenia, and which is currently undermining OURS!

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Past reprehensible......
Posted by: Spiritgirl on Aug 6, 2008 7:21 AM   
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While Thomas Frank understands that it is not just a "few bad apples", he takes great pains to separate out the "good" conservatives as opposed to the ones that have been running (ruining) the government for the last 30 years! This is not the time to try and be apologist for a group of rich, white, incompetent, corrupt, greedy, good ole boys that have always been for their own.

Does the author not understand what "conservative" means! Conservative (n) is: a disposition in politics to preserve what is established. English translation - if you have money and want to keep it, the best way to do that is to "help those that will hep you" into government so that the laws written will ensure that you are allowed to do what you want.

Over the last 30 years Conservatives in this country have allowed themselves to be blinded by wedge issues, and duped by the people that they continue to put into office. The 10% of the population that isn't screwed by the system is making out like fat cats. In the meantime the rest of us are just treading water very precariously! And yet you people want to put John McCain into office! Haven't we the people had enough incompetence, ideology, and outright avarice in government! Why do good thinking people continue to hold on to "the hope" that the tigers strips will change, simply because it's a different tiger!

I am saying that we change from the bottom up. People need to stop listening to sound-bites, look at the records, pay attention to what past performance records are there because that is a definite indication of what the future will bring!

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Is democracy at risk
Posted by: practical idealist on Aug 6, 2008 7:27 AM   
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With the rise of communist China, the advent of peak oil, and an unresolved and unprecedented economic crisis in the United States, it’s not hard to see that history is at turning point. Peak oil and a foundering economy are threatening challenges. But how should we perceive China? The majority of the world’s biggest multinationals have set up shop in China. The world’s capitalists have given China their blessing. So what’s to fear? Well, communists “openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions. Let the ruling class tremble at a Communist revolution.” At the heart of Marxism is historical materialism. Here it is not ideas that determine history, but the inexorable push of economic determinism. So are we witnessing a revolution in China, a revolution in means? Do they intend to overthrow capitalism by beating them at their own game? Until they allow dissent, allow proponents of democracy to have their say, they should be perceived as such a threat.
And if so how do we meet that threat? For us, history is determined by our free will as we put forward the ideas that meet the challenges that a changing world presents. Yet up to this point we seem to be at loss. And neither Obama nor McCain, as they seek the White House, has presented a clear strategy either for economic recovery or ideological victory.
So, given the gravity of these issues it’s best that we consider the worst-case Marxist scenario and then consider the practical idealism that can resolve these challenges.
For full text go to:

http://theendpoint.blogspot.com/

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This book documents further the fact that
Posted by: boblecht on Aug 6, 2008 7:37 AM   
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Government of the People by the corporations and for the corporations is not Democracy...it is Fascism.

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» Just about right on fascism Posted by: citizenjoe
The photo is half right
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Aug 6, 2008 7:45 AM   
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The photo that goes with the story say 'Ashamed to be a Republican'. It should read ashamed to be an American. Reagan/Bush gave us 19% interest, the Treason of Iran/Contra and the biggest flush of cocaine this country has ever seen. Bush1 gave us Iraq1 and mass genocide in Central America. The Clinton's gave us Bosnia and closet blow-jobs and taught us all how to us a conjunction as a legal defense. Bush2,well we all know we got screwed and still are. Lies,deciet,greed and death,really makes you proud to be an American,don't it? I think completely reinventing our government would be a big step back to sanity. How about you?
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time to go
Posted by: fagel on Aug 6, 2008 8:10 AM   
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you have to wonder why the GOP finds the most ludicrous remarks to throw at the Democratic candidate. You have to wonder why everyone isn't so fed up with what is and has been happening to government in Washington that it's time to "throw the bums out." They are not discussing policy of any kind; all they are doing is finding ridiculous things to say about Obama, which most of us know aren't true. At this point, it seems to me, the most important thing is to clean up the mess that's been made by changing things from the top down and hope that message comes through loud and clear. By surrounding himself with the best minds he can find, it hardly matters that Obama's resume is short on experience. I would have preferred Hillary - but the most important thing is to elect the Democrats.

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By this definition, Most of our Democrats are conservatives.
Posted by: reelectnoone on Aug 6, 2008 8:12 AM   
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When one looks at how often our current crop of Democrats play the same game and vote the same way when it comes to greed and sucking at the teat of special interests, they are as equal of the evil as their Republican counterparts.

ANY member of Congress that will accept a bribe or payment in exchange for special favors is suspect and should be voted out of office.

Check OpenSecrets.org for information on who gives and who takes. You can then see how the takers vote to support the givers almost 100% of the time.

You will see Republicans tend to top the list for corporate gifts of cash while Dems get most of the money from labor unions etc. But they all take the graft and they all vote as they are told to by the givers, not by you or I.

The American voter has allowed themselves to be manipulated by the money given in campaigns to believe the ads and vote for the candidate with the most money behind them.

I have to place part of the blame for our greed-driven government on "We the People" for becoming too lazy to pay attention or to educate ourselves about the candidates.

We are not stuck in a situation where the only solution we have remaining will be to remove the current members of Congress and start over...Re Elect No One.

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democrats are suppossed to stop conservative corruption
Posted by: Vic Fedorov on Aug 6, 2008 8:19 AM   
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I'm one of those people who enjoy studying history, particularily ancient Rome.

In ancient Rome, the ruling party was the republican and to be a senator you had to be in their class.

Everyone else in that two party system was of the party of the people.

Moreover the people established a judiciary, by refusing to fight a war unless a judiciary that had the power to fine and imprison officials who led the country down a corrupted path was established.

That judiciary was where the power of the party of the people lay.

Those judicial posts were to be held by people of the people, whereas as democratic leaders are merely poorer and liberal republicans.

In other words, if we went about encouraging guidelines for democratic politicians such as not being rich, having actually had jobs that produced through labor, our democratic party would go from being kissing cousins of the republicans to actually being represented by a class the people can relate to.

This would also bump up the phony democrats to liberal republicans and make the republican party more liberal.

Really, don't let these rich democrats who lead the party of the people, the party of everyone not republican, not with power, lead us. Insist our democratic party insist on leaders without wealth, who have done honest work. As long as congressional republicans and democrats are of the same class, it will be difficult for democrats to represent the people against the corruptions power is prone to.

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maxsmart
Posted by: maxsmart on Aug 6, 2008 8:23 AM   
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We might call them Royalists because they really don't have anything to do with the Liberal principles our country was founded on. I am dumbfounded that no one cares about this. All men created equal, inalienable rights, freedom of religion, laws and procedures to protect the innocent etc. These people would be supporting the King which it appears they are, it just happens to be an elected King. These people support a police state that would rival Nazi Germany or perhaps the Soviet Union.
They would have us believe that our country was founded on the Free Market and vulture capitalism.

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Silk Purse / Sow's Ear
Posted by: Vic on Aug 6, 2008 8:48 AM   
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Not being a U.S. citizen I have been baffled, astonished and appalled by the "earmarks" system.

My notion is simple. Ban the insertion of earmarks into legitimate legislation.

Instead, now and then during the legislative session, have special collections of many, many earmarks that will be called a Silk Purse. These packages will be gathered, bargained and debated as a unit. Within the Silk Purse package will the usual indivual earmarks, now to be called Sow's Ears.

Debate on the Silk Purse package would involve deciding the merits of individual Sow's Ears and retaining them or turfing them out.

Washington corruption might not change but the entertainment value would be huge.

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