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Democracy and Elections

Moyers: 'Democracy in America Is a Series of Narrow Escapes, and We May Be Running Out of Luck'

By Bill Moyers, Doubleday. Posted May 17, 2008.


For all of America's shortcomings, we keep telling ourselves, "The system works." Now all bets are off.
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The following is an excerpt from Bill Moyers' new book, "Moyers on Democracy" (Doubleday, 2008).

Democracy in America is a series of narrow escapes, and we may be running out of luck. The reigning presumption about the American experience, as the historian Lawrence Goodwyn has written, is grounded in the idea of progress, the conviction that the present is "better" than the past and the future will bring even more improvement. For all of its shortcomings, we keep telling ourselves, "The system works."

Now all bets are off. We have fallen under the spell of money, faction, and fear, and the great American experience in creating a different future together has been subjugated to individual cunning in the pursuit of wealth and power -and to the claims of empire, with its ravenous demands and stuporous distractions. A sense of political impotence pervades the country -- a mass resignation defined by Goodwyn as "believing the dogma of 'democracy' on a superficial public level but not believing it privately." We hold elections, knowing they are unlikely to bring the corporate state under popular control. There is considerable vigor at local levels, but it has not been translated into new vistas of social possibility or the political will to address our most intractable challenges. Hope no longer seems the operative dynamic of America, and without hope we lose the talent and drive to cooperate in the shaping of our destiny.

The earth we share as our common gift, to be passed on in good condition to our children's children, is being despoiled. Private wealth is growing as public needs increase apace. Our Constitution is perilously close to being consigned to the valley of the shadow of death, betrayed by a powerful cabal of secrecy-obsessed authoritarians. Terms like "liberty" and "individual freedom" invoked by generations of Americans who battled to widen the 1787 promise to "promote the general welfare" have been perverted to create a government primarily dedicated to the welfare of the state and the political class that runs it. Yes, Virginia, there is a class war and ordinary people are losing it. It isn't necessary to be a Jeremiah crying aloud to a sinful Jerusalem that the Lord is about to afflict them for their sins of idolatry, or Cassandra, making a nuisance of herself as she wanders around King Priam's palace grounds wailing "The Greeks are coming." Or Socrates, the gadfly, stinging the rump of power with jabs of truth. Or even Paul Revere, if horses were still in fashion. You need only be a reporter with your eyes open to see what's happening to our democracy. I have been lucky enough to spend my adult life as a journalist, acquiring a priceless education in the ways of the world, actually getting paid to practice one of my craft's essential imperatives: connect the dots.

The conclusion that we are in trouble is unavoidable. I report the assault on nature evidenced in coal mining that tears the tops off mountains and dumps them into rivers, sacrificing the health and lives of those in the river valleys to short-term profit, and I see a link between that process and the stock-market frenzy which scorns long-term investments -- genuine savings -- in favor of quick turnovers and speculative bubbles whose inevitable bursting leaves insiders with stuffed pockets and millions of small stockholders, pensioners, and employees out of work, out of luck, and out of hope.

And then I see a connection between those disasters and the repeal of sixty-year-old banking and securities regulations designed during the Great Depression to prevent exactly that kind of human and economic damage. Who pushed for the removal of that firewall? An administration and Congress who are the political marionettes of the speculators, and who are well rewarded for their efforts with indispensable campaign contributions. Even honorable opponents of the practice get trapped in the web of an electoral system that effectively limits competition to those who can afford to spend millions in their run for office. Like it or not, candidates know that the largesse on which their political futures depend will last only as long as their votes are satisfactory to the sleek "bundlers" who turn the spigots of cash on and off.

The property qualifications for federal office that the framers of the Constitution expressly chose to exclude for demonstrating an unseemly "veneration for wealth" are now de facto in force and higher than the Founding Fathers could have imagined. "Money rules Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. The parties lie to us and the political speakers mislead us." Those words were spoken by Populist orator Mary Elizabeth Lease during the prairie revolt that swept the Great Plains slightly more than 120 years after the Constitution was signed. They are true today, and that too, spells trouble.


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Why not "take the money and run"?
Posted by: Sojourner on May 17, 2008 12:57 AM   
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The PBS “American Experience” program on FDR credits him with changing the role of the federal government, as a consequence of his New Deal and the war effort. It seems that American business quickly adapted by learning how to get the best politicians money can buy and turning the tax system of enlarged government to the advantage of the rich and powerful.

Plato saw that as the weakness of democracy 2500 years ago. Voters are willing to sell out, thinking that if they are on the winning side, it will be in their self-interest. The art of lying, which we call advertising, perpetuates the mystification that those who win deserve it.

It may have been necessary to lose power in order to purge the Democratic Party of racism. We are paying a terrible price. We are currently seeing one of our American history’s most flagrant examples of the abuse of political power. By electing CEOs who are oil barons, no less, our government has been run as if it were just another special interest group, one more gigantic corporation, whose welfare derives from crushing all opposition by any means necessary—politics as warfare.

At the conclusion of the Constitutional Convention in 1787 we were told, “We have given you a republic, if you can keep it.” We have lost large elements of it in the last 30 years. Only time will tell whether we have the life affirming vigor to get back what we have lost.

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» From PLATO to BUSH Posted by: pirugenia
Don't trust the press (left, right, or center) on faith... think for yourself instead!
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on May 17, 2008 1:39 AM   
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Who is in control of the instruments, then? Well first, what are the instruments? What is the symphony ensemble? Video, radio, and the written word? There's also word of mouth and buzz marketing - but just for the journalists, who controls the output?

Editors, executives, and public relations professionals who directly serve the corporate board of the given media corporation are the ones with final say over what goes out (it works the same here at Alternet). Those boards are heavily interlocked with other corporate boards in fossil fuels, pharmaceuticals, telecommunicions, weapons, and other media corporations.

What is needed is truly independent and democratic media where the journalists themselves get to say what they think is important. This does not typically extend to any criticism of the media company for which they are working, as I learned this past weekend when Alternet scrubbed my comments pointing to what I think are serious flaws in both their news coverage and that of the Huffington Post. (http://www.alternet.org/ story/85312/#comments).

I think my main point was that the lack of Iraqi war video and news footage on Alternet mirrored that seen within the corporate American press, and their analysis of the food crisis were completely bogus and were ignoring the role that financial speculators were playing - criticism of the centrist and right wing media is appreciated and applauded here, but of the left- wing press? That's not allowed, apparently.

There's a word for that - "slanted journalism" - and when you do it, people lose faith in your stories. However, my point here is that ALL journalism is slanted and biased in one way or the other, so the concerned citizen should NEVER trust any single news source, but should always try and look around at a wide variety of sources.

This is pretty important here in the U.S., where blanket propaganda is the norm. If you don't think that's true, try reading the 1996 version of the Joint Psyops Manual: www.iwar.org.uk/psyops /resources/us/jp3_53.pdf

"The use of PSYOP forces and assets is predicated on political, military, economic, cultural, and psychological or social conditions. PSYOP planners must possess a thorough and current knowledge of these conditions to develop PSYOP targeted at selected foreign groups to influence their objective and emotional reasoning."

Use of such programs against the U.S. public is illegal - but apparently not if done by private contractors hired with government funds, based on Blackwater's immunity from prosecution. Entirely private concerns can also carry out PSYOPS.

Of all the conspiracy theories discussed over the past years, there are only a few that seem plausible - one is that the 911 Truth Movement is a PSYOPS operation aimed at causing dissent within anti-war groups as well as smearing anti-war groups by association with ridiculous notions. The other is that much of the left-wing, centrist, and right-wing press are wholly controlled propaganda outlets, run by people with PSYOPS training from the CIA or other sources.

Unfortunately, it is almost impossible to tell which is which, or to tell the difference between a gullible fool and a clever deceiver, so all news stories should be treated with caution, and no journalist should EVER be "trusted". (And by the way, I hope you recognize that that goes double for anonymous posters on internet message boards who use ridiculous titles like thoughtcriminal - tho it does make you think of thoughtcrime and George Orwell, doesn't it? - yes, that was the idea. How many times do I have to tell you not to think of a blue elephant? See - you're doing it again - yes, that's how the propaganda system works!).

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» Try Again, Mister TC... Posted by: Mister_PsyOps
» RE: Try Again, Mister TC... Posted by: cwilsondrum
» If All That You Say... Posted by: bobtr900
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» 9-11 "LIAR" TRAP... Posted by: Mister_PsyOps
Enough hot air & blabbering......where's the coach?
Posted by: Smiggsy on May 17, 2008 2:16 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
The system running the USA makes me sick & nauseated. Where's the REAL action. Time for some real push & shove people. GWBush has been in power for almost 2 full terms & the whole nation is culminating towards the largest apathetic cluster f@ck on the face of the planet. Burger barns, Cable TV & moronic SUVs won't save your fat assess.

Didn't you people make revolution famous or something? So don't just sit there blowing hot air over your keyboards.....sitting on your opinions & staring in to a PC monitor waiting for your coffee to cool won't do diddly shit to fix the problems. America is dying & she badly needs your action today.

What sort of serious motivation do the yanks need. Your economy is in the toilet, your government is ruined by endemic corruption, your national health & education is the poorest of the developed world. Something else about illegal spying of citizens & unwinnable wars......I wouldn't live in the USA for all the gold in China (which used to be your gold btw).

ACTION SPEAKS VOLUMES louder than words & opinions.

Come on people....grow some balls already (shakes clenched fist politely in your general direction)

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Revolution? In America? Surely You Jest!
Posted by: kegbot1 on May 17, 2008 4:02 AM   
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This is in response to Smiggsy above.

Let's get it out into the open:

Power grows out of the barrel of a gun. And violence is the only thing the American corporate state will respect.

You can beg and plead and march around in circles all you want. But until the people are ready to start monkeywrenching the works and burning things down, nothing will change. Nothing. All else is interpreted as a sign of vacillation and weakness and will be treated as such. The last 25 years in this country are a testament to that. We whined and moaned as our jobs were sent overseas. We were told the global economy dictated that and if we didn't like it, we must be commies or ignorant of the Grand Law of Economics - rapacious free market capitalism give to us by God through his prophet Adam Smith.

We moan about gas prices and our falling standard of living and look to political saviors to deliver us. As if.

If not rebellion now, when?

But the American people, on their knees hoping for just one more crumb from the rich man's table, don't have it in them anymore.

We have Obama. He'll take care of everything for us. Never mind his campaign coffers are stuffed with Wall Street cash and he genuflects in the direction of AIPAC.

Elections are giant cons in this country.

With a rising fascist national security state all around us, we fear more being detained at the border, landing up on a no fly list, and losing our jobs, than cashiering our freedoms. I even had a high school teacher many years ago tell us, in regard to the Soviet Union: "you can't eat freedom." This is the lesson American have inculcated into their consciousness.

We have been trained to be stupid, self-centered and dependent. And the operant conditioning has worked beautifully.

We still have a myriad of bread and circuses to distract and entertain us while we slip inexorably into debt slavery and helplessness, much of it learned behavior.

Hell, most people would be afraid to simply type what I'm typing now, lest some government Internet sniffer take notice and implant some device in my computer. The state is everywhere. But it's wrapped in the flag, claims the mantle of Jesus, and we must pay homage. Why do you think Obama now wears the damned flag lapel pin?

No, I don't have much faith in my fellow countrymen. They have grown stupid, complacent and pleasure seeking and no longer have any love for those things real patriots were willing to die for a couple of hundred years ago.

But soon we'll be on our knees with little left to lose.

But we live in the kind of country in which people are so unversed in the tactics of rebellion (because it's been beaten out of them) that they'll crawl into bookstores looking for a copy of "Revolution for Dummies" to tell them how to do it.

I would simply tell them, light a match, lock and load, and follow the money.

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» computer tagged!!?? Posted by: walldodger1969
» Hey Gun Morons Posted by: ReallyBearish
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» You missed the point Posted by: ReallyBearish
» RE: USE IT OR LOSE IT Posted by: cwilsondrum
» A NEW WAY Posted by: DR. LARRY MITCHELL
» what do i do? Posted by: krzyn8
Historically, we never learn from our history
Posted by: bryangalt on May 17, 2008 4:20 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Human beings are a strange bunch to say the least. As a collective, we are capable of bringing about tremendous progressive changes to our societies, while simultaneously working to destroy them from within. What is the reasoning behind this kind of behavior?

Well, I think Bush's speech in Isreal said it best when he had the nerve to imply someone back home could be 'pandering' to the alleged terrorist organizations in the same way that it was done at the outset of WW2 (NOTE: Bush's grand dad was a Nazi sypmathizer. He made a fortune doing business with the Nazi party...look it up if you don't believe me).

Bush and his cronies in the shadows have been using the Nazi play book from the outset. They knew what it would take to create an environment of fear in our society, and it wasn't too hard after all. A quote from the X-Files: "the government keeps us looking at each other so we aren't looking up at them" comes to mind.

When the "bottom line" became more important that humanity, democracy, the Earth and the Sea, our fates became attached to the ride that this ideal will be taking us all on. When the "bottom line" dictates how our government views its citizens as 'potential threats' we are already on the course for revolution, one that will rock the world in retrospect because the final analysis will reveal the American citizen who was so lazy, spoiled and whipped, that he couldn't get it together enough to change his selfish ways until it became so critical that he had to resort to tearing down the immense gift of the Founding Fathers in an effort to restore some sense of sensibility in his life, could have acted when there was an opportunity to MAKE SOME CHANGES.

Yes, the corporations don't give a frack about the little people that made them who they are. The little people don't give a frack about the even smaller people they pass on the street every day.

And, the people on the street, well, their numbers just keep growing, thanks in no small part to the average American citizen, who votes Republican while the Republican's sell this country and its assets to the highest bidder.

The average American who votes Republican even though the Republicans don't care about the average American. What an ironic situation that the average American has placed themselves in.

Unlike the Founders, I am very skeptical that the average American can break away from his selfish consumerism long enough to save our Republic. Ironically, the fact that the corporations got so rich, the government got so sneaky and the average American got so lazy is directly related to the fact that we used to be free, we used to value the little people, we used to care about our country.

Now, we only care if the stock marker USA drops below our sell price...

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» RE: The revolution of 2012 Posted by: solrev
Thank you Bill Moyers
Posted by: packofwolves on May 17, 2008 4:43 AM   
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I am thankful that there is someone out there who recognizes what's happening in our country who has the ability to put our dilemma into words that sing. I expect a revolution in this country within the not too distant future, where those struggling to survive finally realize what has happened to them. Our country is sinking fast and it is the greed and corruption of power that has ruined us. I still don't understand why we keep electing the same people over and over again, maintaining the status quo. Perhaps it is denial that our ship is sinking but by the time we see the water rising it will be too late. I believe it is already too late. Although I am already mourning for this country, the reality is, we have no one to blame but ourselves.

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» RE: Thank you Bill Moyers Posted by: Zeugitai
Bill Moyers -- A National Treasure
Posted by: phshafe on May 17, 2008 4:53 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
While we live in a dysfunctional age, we still have some assets left in the form of Bill Moyers, James Kunstler, Amy Goodman and selected others who are the closest thing we have to prophets in our time. If we don't have masses protesting grievous wrongs the way we did in the 1960's, it's because of the many factors Moyers and the commenters above have described that have atomized our society and caused individuals to deeply believe that they must look to themselves for survival and aid and not to any collective action with their fellows.

I can remember as a boy in the Kennedy era, walking the streets of Washington, D.C., and sensing the beacon unto the world that emanated from there during that time. How have the mighty fallen!

As Toffler pointed out in the Third Wave, the locus of real government has been gravitating from national to both local and international for some time now. And as Kunstler points out in his many works, the move from national to local government will accelerate as society reorganizes due to energy armageddon we now face. So I don't look to the issues of national democracy that Moyers, et. al., cite to be rationally resolved so much as overcome by events. Too soon, we'll all be looking away from Washington and toward our localities for a redress of our concerns, and since resources will be dear, we'll need to relearn what it means to pay in to those localities so that we can get something out in return.

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The EVIL GREEDIA gets to Rape and Pillage yet another Day!
Posted by: williameon on May 17, 2008 4:57 AM   
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The See NO, Hear NO and Speak NO- EVIL FAUX GREEDIA!

The FAUX Media is an affront to Democracy.

Out with the Corporations and
In with American Citizens.

Bill when are you going to put some common Bloggers on your show?
Some of the disenfranchised millions communicating on the web.
Time to let the new school have a voice.
How about some Blogger time on T.V.
We have a new and different message to propose!
Pick up on the chatter.
The GAME is a foot.
Diversity is the message.
Alternate viewpoints
The
Last Wave.
A totally diversified, self sufficient and self reliant local Economy.

Stop the waste!
Create
Recycle
Grow
Manufacture and
Produce it
Right here.

Corporations are machines.
Capital Appendages of the Super Rich.
Eliminate the Company right as a Person.
People are Citizens.
Corporations are machines.

Why should a multi National Corporation have the same rights of an American Citizen?
The owners of these Conglomerates have voting rights already, in the Country that they live.
This causes undue pressure on our Democracy.
Eliminate lobbying in Washington and in the State capitals across America.

Break up The Media Monopolies.
One outlet in one market.
Open local airwaves to local Independent Media.

The Fundamental Fatal Flaw in Government.

Lawyers should hold office only in the
JUDICAL Branch of Government and excluded from holding Office in all others.

How can you have a balance of power when one Profession/Fraternity runs all the Branches of Government?

It is a conflict of interest.

End the One Party System.
The Demo-Repug Dichotomy is a sham.

We need an inclusive system with representing the true Diversity of the Citizenry.

Take the money out of politics.

Totally level the playing field by
Publicly finance all elections.

The Media shall provide equal air time to all candidates free of charge as a public service.

Free the Media!

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We The People
Posted by: kepstein7777 on May 17, 2008 4:57 AM   
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I like Moyers' show, but this article is mostly drama and self-indulgence. We know how the system works. We know about all the dirty money, the media, the crooks...Tell us about something useful and within our control. Tell us we're idiots because we keep voting for the wrong people.

Well, I usually like the show. One exception was that couple last night, arguing about whether Hillary or Obama is better. Meanwhile, the giant pink elephant is right next to them, rolling on the floor laughing.

Think about it, Bill. Your article says the system is a mess, yet you devote a big chunk of your show to a discussion over which representative of the system is better. Do you really think more spineless, slick-talking, mainstream Democrats with lots of money are going to fix things?

On the plus side, I liked the bit on the pharmaceuticals. Juicy!

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» Nonsense! Posted by: Tom Holum
» RE: Nonsense! Posted by: Richard House
» RE: Nonsense! Posted by: Lincoln fan
The fourth and unchecked branch of government
Posted by: hagwind on May 17, 2008 5:00 AM   
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Don't know about anybody else, but when I studied the U.S. government in (pretty good) primary and secondary schools, the checks and balances were all about the executive, the legislative, and the judiciary keeping an eye on each other so that none could throw the system too seriously out of whack. I didn't start paying serious attention to corporate power till I got to college and the anti-Vietnam War movement. That was also when I first made the acquaintance of Karl Marx and other critics of capitalism. Though I never became a Marxist, I immediately understood that I'd been missing something big: the material underpinnings of political values -- including "liberty and justice for all." Freedom of the press belongs to them who own the presses. How free is your speech likely to be if you can lose your livelihood or your life for telling the truth?

Checks on corporate/economic power weren't written into the U.S. Constitution, and that's not surprising because corporations as we know them didn't exist. I think it's just now dawning on many USians that we've got this unelected shadow government that's accountable to no one but its shareholders (and only a very few of them), and the constitutionally delineated executive, legislative, and judicial branches can't do much about it. Don't want to do much about it, in many cases, because you see what you can afford to see and many government officials, elected and otherwise, can't afford to see who's calling their tune and writing their script.

In retrospect, it's easy to see: In a market economy, anything is for sale if buyers and sellers can agree on a price, and the only values that count are monetary. (Shifty word, that: value. And while we're at it, "priceless" is another word for "worthless.") Votes have probably been bought and sold for as long as there have been elections, and politicians likewise. We could use some checks and balances there, but who's making the clean election laws anyway?

Bill Moyers knows all this. I'm interested to read what suggestions he has to help us find our collective way out of this mess.

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» Corporations are 'persons,' too - now. Posted by: photon's feather
it's simplistic to think that the current state of affairs is of recent origin
Posted by: Suzon on May 17, 2008 5:18 AM   
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There have always been two mindsets--elitist and egalitarian--in American history. The elitists have certainly racheted things up in the past 30 years. I believe that has more to do with fear than greed.

Those who encourage a dog-eat-dog world have to be even more afraid than we are. Why? Even though our resources are less impressive than theirs, they are still vulnerable unless they want to live in a panic room for the rest of their lives. For an example of the wealthy man's nightmares, look no further than Howard Hughes.

We have to break the link between public office and corporate purse. How can it be done? A good simple narrative wouldn't go amiss. Every corporation is a cheat. Special treatment for corporations comes from the divine right of kings and is therefore anti-American. Every American politician who is an enabler of corporate despotism has betrayed their oath to uphold and defend the constitution.

I'm almost more interested in impeaching Pelosi than Bush and Cheney. But that's continuing to play the ancient game of winners and losers. Maybe we should offer them an amnesty.

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» Several good points... Posted by: kepstein7777
choke the pig
Posted by: grmartin on May 17, 2008 5:44 AM   
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The first step would seem to be severe limits on election campaign contributions, as done in other democracies including Canada. Too bad even that modest measure not achievable in corporate-controlled USA.

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» RE: choke the pig Posted by: Doubtom
» RE: choke the pig Posted by: bdcroan
The rich have a right to suffer too
Posted by: daw13 on May 17, 2008 6:23 AM   
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Last night I dreamed that a million ordinary young people of all sizes and shapes and genders and colors (a few of the 90% whose fathers AREN’T getting richer while most get poorer nowadays) marched – no, not on Washington, on Westchester County New York.

This locale includes one of the enclaves of the upper-class. Those to whom the rest of us are basically… well, pissants. In my dream this mass of nicely dressed, scrubbed and groomed young citizens arrived from many directions in a caravan of busses. They debussed in an orderly manner and waltzed into Westchester County. Tucked under each of their arms was – no, not a Gideon Bible, but a copy of Howard Zinn’s A People’s History of the United States.

Before Westchester police realized what was happening, the first wave spread out and began knocking on doors. To every upper-class local under thirty they offered a People’s History and a little speech. About what a shame it was that their parents deliberately empowered a president dedicated to trashing ordinary citizens, so that upper-class families could remain comfortable as the country faced various crises. Crises the upper-class had caused and that might logically make ordinary citizens mad at them. Citizens not very different from themselves as people. Wouldn’t it be better if upper-class elders would consider reaching out to their fellow citizens with a little decency, the visitors asked?

Many young Westchestrians were rather moved, in my dream. In spite of having been carefully and diligently socialized concerning the despicableness of ordinary citizens (pissants), they had not had a chance yet to behave really cruelly toward them. They were still dependent on their elders to lie, repress and persecute in order to maintain oligarchy behind a façade of justice and fairness. Actually, young Westchesterians were fairly innocent. Consequently, they still possessed some empathy and compassion for people they felt kinship with -- in spite of the training they had received. Some, in fact, felt so empathetic that they joined the visitors striding from door to door armed only with Zinn.

Before long, hordes of police arrived and begin bashing heads and breaking ribs, leaving rich people’s lawns all bloody. Young upper-class men and women watched this mayhem more in horror than with approval, to their parents’ deep chagrin. Bruised and battered visitors kept talking and offering Zinns --even while being dragged by the hair to waiting police vans -- as a second wave of visitors debussed. The now prepared police intercepted many, but the more they intercepted the more arrived.

On and on it went, in my dream, from dawn to dusk, day after day. Upper-class elders grew concerned. Those who formed the core and majority of the nation’s Power Elite met in churches and mansions and clubs to discuss a potential social control crisis. Was it possible any longer to ensure that pissant oppression, repression and if need be extermination could be guaranteed to occur only outside of the boundaries of upper-class enclaves? Must they now physically enfortress themselves? What would this mean? How would their families feel? Life wouldn’t be fun anymore.

They decided, at length, that the current situation was unacceptable. This was NOT the way things were supposed to be. Soon the incumbent president, whom they regarded as a factotum, began receiving angry phone calls and visitors, telling him to DO SOMETHING!

But the only something the Incumbent knew how to do was break heads, incarcerate and torture. Unfortunately, these techniques did not work well to deal with a mass of citizens who were not an angry, violent mob. But who WERE extremely well organized and ready to suffer a good deal in order to educate the people of Westchester County that whatever happened in the U.S.A. would happen to all.

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Moyers IS NOT in Denial...BUT....
Posted by: drricklippin on May 17, 2008 6:40 AM   
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....many other US leaders and citizens are.

History teaches us that by the time we reach consensus that we are in deep-possibly irreversible- trouble it is often too late!

One expression of this phenom is the concept of "bounded rationality". Meaning we actually protect our brains by not not perceiving or imagining the worst case or in this case REALITY.In other words it is too overwhelming for some.

It may not be too late for the US of A but we cannot afford not to perceive and act on what Moyers is saying without any further delay.

Thanks Bill Moyers- an intelligent and moral force in our formally great nation.

Dr. Rick Lippin
Southampton,Pa
http://medicalcrises.blogspot.com

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Big horah for Moyers
Posted by: The Big Raven on May 17, 2008 6:51 AM   
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Just putting it in our faces where we cant hide the truth Lady Liberty was just a passing fancy die you old greedy biatch DIE!

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only fix=publicly financed campaigns
Posted by: scott.gregory on May 17, 2008 7:08 AM   
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That's the whole story. As long as we rely on "bribery-based campaign financing" the wealthy corporate state will continue to rule, the structures of separated powers and elections notwithstanding.
I think it was Lenin who said,"it's not how the votes are cast, it's who counts them." And to which Stalin said "it's not who counts the votes, it's who pickes the candidates."
There we are...the wealthy corporate elite picks the candidates; low and middle income Americans only get to choose from candidates "selected" by the rich. Public campaign financing would close that down and end the lobbyists power in D.C.
Of course, how do we get there? How do the people gain enough political control to put in place a structure of publicly-financed campaigns? Sadly, I'm not sure it can happen within the existing constitutional framework. The alterntive is not desirable. Time will tell.

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Bill M and Bill O
Posted by: Grandma Crabby on May 17, 2008 7:41 AM   
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Bill Moyers is wonderful, and one of the best journalists in America.

Good old Bill O'Reilly on the other hand, refers to Moyers as "that far left PBS guy," so a large percentage of the population will never listen to Bill M.

Bill O has a bigger audience and MOST of the corporate owned media is biased right so they will speak of Moyers in the same disparaging terms.

Therefore, Bill M. will largely be ignored and the idiots like Bill O will continue to rule.

Damned pitiful situation.

I can't STAND Bill O. I made a video making fun of him and his loofah fetish. Pass it around. Nothing feels better than humiliating this jerk!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKu8iqIuXHM

Let's all make fun of Bill O together!

Luv,
Granny

I also have a video about some dog poop that looks just like Dick Cheney. What a miracle.

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This is not New News but....
Posted by: picket on May 17, 2008 7:57 AM   
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The last seven years dealt a death blow to USA. Just notice the demeanor of GWB around the Saudi Kings a few days ago. Just those pictures of his arrogance would seem to be the last straw for all who can pay attention.

It has become easy for those in power to control the masses now because as Maslow wrote regarding Human Needs, the basic needs the most primitive such as food, water shelter safety and security and lack of love affection and belonging are severely lacking for millions of Americans. When the most basic human needs are never met how many will EVER rise up the ladder to reach a high regard for their being???

What has been done to the the "least of these my brethren" will in the end hurt all. Some may not live long enough to see this travesty of inhumanity reach the top BUT it surely will do so.

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help us help ourselves
Posted by: using on May 17, 2008 8:01 AM   
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so..now, Bill Moyers has made it official. We are all trapped in the quicksand of our times.

However, there are branches that we can grab that will save us individually from marching distracted backwards into the forgotten dark and dismal ages. And if there are enough of us -- we can overthrow the short sighted self-above-all-else diseased segment. What can the helpless journalists do....they can dare to point the way. They can educate us of the options available to us,scrutinize the movements so we are not so fearful of innocently throwing our energy to yet another scam for personal power. They can help us connect and nurture the change that will help us break with the stranglehold on our best interests and ironically, ultimately the best interests of even those that are currently gaining from this process of defeating us and chewing up our earth for the holy dollar. WE can create an under-culture, a media that will speak to the highest, long range interests of mankind -- but we need champions that are smart and knowledgeable, and can guide us. And who is in the best position as champions of truth than our capable, knowledgeable, intelligent, compassionate journalists?????
What can a young journalist do? He has to grin and bear it so he can become a force. And what can a secure insider journalist do once he has become a force? Why he has to grin and bear it so he can hold his position before some young "willing to do it" steals his thunder. And with such thinking -- well -- lets stop blaming ourselves and each other...and lets shed light on the positive fledgling efforts that are struggling to emerge. There are many of us that are capable and willing to stand for the greater good.
PS as for the good old Kennedy days...they were the days of hope and joy. A handsome young invigorating leader who with this focus and poetic speech brought us hope for the future, a beautiful cultured young wife who openly favored European designers, a charming Caroline in her mother's high heeled shoes.....and with hope in our hearts...we were marched into Vetnam and tricked into the bay of pigs. Do not forget, that even while our sun was rising, it was symultaneously setting. We need to find a new way to live together and prosper before the quicksand sucks us all under.
And then what will be left for the high and mighty distroyers?

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Divine Primates
Posted by: Earon on May 17, 2008 8:19 AM   
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Thanks, Bill, for your clarity. I've been trying to get a publisher for a book I've written to tell a different story about human intelligence and culture. "Divine Primates" is a hopeful view of human nature that helps free us from the fundamentalist and ideological and economic absurdities that have become part of our culture.

Any ideas? Please look at http://www.divineprimates.com and give comments and suggestions on how I can get this perspective out there to the public.

Peace and hope,

Earon Davis

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Show the status quo the door!
Posted by: alternetrose on May 17, 2008 8:25 AM   
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I cannot think of a more compelling argument to support the candidacy of Cindy Sheehan, in her effort to unseat Nancy Pelosi, than this article.

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Part of the problem
Posted by: Maryanne on May 17, 2008 8:17 AM   
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is that Americans have not been taught history, geography, civics or economics. (Have you seen Jay Leno's "Jaywalking?")

These subjects have now all been watered down into something called "social studues" which originally was supposed to help students integrate the content from one subject to all the others. However, the time is spent on the integrating, rather than on the content. So you learn very little.

One young lady I worked with a number of years ago was unable to attend school or have a tutor for a semester. I asked the school for the content of a course she needed to learn in order to take the exam in June. The content consisted on one sheet of paper, handwritten on both sides. Anyone could learn this in half an hour, but the course taught in the classroom covered one high school semester!

We need to take out schools back. We need to teach history, geography, economics, and civics with a strong emphasis on the constitution , the bill of rights and the decisions of the Supreme Court. (As well as the basics of reading, math and real science of course, etc.)

Americans are not in a position to know what to do when they are uninformed, not only by the lack of acurate information in the corporate media, but also the failures of their schooling. They are anestethized with moronic television (althoug there is a great deal of value in TV if you look for it, but the question is, how many do?), and when a problem arises, such as our housing crisis, the rise in prices,etc. they are at a loss as to how to handle this. Had they been taught to live within a budget, to save, to not accumulate debt with things that are unnecessary? Have they even been taught to think? Emphasis on participation in classrooms has been the norm, but you cannot intellegently discuss anything unless you have all the facts, and accurate facts.

Forget the charter schools, get better training and support for teachers and get back to basics. Maybe then, we would have an informed populace that can protect democracy.

We need to take out schools back.

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