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Democracy and Elections

What if 5.3 Million More Americans Could Vote?

By Erika Wood, AlterNet. Posted April 21, 2008.


Millions of people in the U.S. can't vote because of felony convictions. Restoring their right to vote means restoring democracy.
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This is a big year for American democracy. Hundreds of thousands of new voters are not only registering, but are actually showing up at the polls. States whose primary races have never counted before are suddenly the center of attention. Voters in Wyoming, Mississippi, North Carolina, and Kentucky, who have long gone ignored during primary season, finally find themselves with a voice and a vote. This year they matter.

Despite this, our democracy still falls far short of its promise to be a government that truly represents the will of its citizens. Across the country there are 5.3 million Americans who are denied the right to vote because of a felony conviction in their past. Nearly 4 million of these people are not in prison; they live, work, pay taxes, and raise families in our communities, but remain disenfranchised for years, often for decades, and sometimes for life.

States vary widely on when they restore voting rights to former prisoners. Maine and Vermont do not disenfranchise people with convictions; even prisoners may vote there. Thirteen states and the District of Columbia disenfranchise people only while they are incarcerated; five states disenfranchise those who are incarcerated or on parole, but allow people on probation to vote; 20 states disenfranchise people in prison, on parole, and on probation; and 10 states permanently disenfranchise some categories of people who have completed their correctional supervision. Kentucky and Virginia are the last two remaining states that permanently disenfranchise all people with felony convictions, unless they apply for and receive individual, discretionary clemency from the governor.

Jim Crow Roots

To fully appreciate how these laws compromise our democracy, it is important to understand their deep roots in the troubled history of American race relations. In the late 1800s these laws spread as part of a larger backlash against the adoption of the Reconstruction Amendments -- the Thirteenth, Fourteenth, and Fifteenth Amendments of the U.S. Constitution -- which ended slavery, granted equal citizenship to freed slaves, and prohibited racial discrimination in voting.

Over time, Southern Democrats sought to solidify their hold on the region by modifying voting laws in ways that would exclude African-Americans from the polls. Despite their newfound eligibility to vote, many freed slaves remained effectively disenfranchised.

Violence and intimidation were rampant. The legal barriers employed -- including literacy tests, residency requirements, grandfather clauses, and poll taxes -- while race-neutral on their face, were intentional barriers to African-American voting.

Felony disenfranchisement laws were a key part of this effort. Between 1865 and 1900, 18 states adopted laws restricting the voting rights of criminal offenders. By 1900, 38 states had some type of felon voting restriction, most of which disenfranchised convicted felons until they received a pardon. At the same time, states expanded the criminal codes to punish offenses that they believed targeted freedmen, including vagrancy, petty larceny, miscegenation, bigamy, and receiving stolen goods. Aggressive arrest and conviction efforts followed, motivated by the practice of "convict leasing," whereby former slaves were convicted of crimes and then leased out to work the very plantations and factories from which they had ostensibly been freed. Thus targeted criminalization and felony disenfranchisement combined to produce both practical re-enslavement and the legal loss of voting rights, usually for life, which effectively suppressed the political power of African Americans for decades.

The disproportionate impact of felony disenfranchisement laws on people of color continues to this day. Nationwide, 13 percent of African-American men have lost the right to vote, a rate that is seven times the national average. In eight states, more than 15 percent of African-Americans cannot vote due to a felony conviction, and four of those states -- Arizona, Iowa, Kentucky, and Nebraska -- disenfranchise more than 20 percent of their African-American voting-age population.


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Erika Wood is deputy director of the Democracy Program at the Brennan Center for Justice at NYU School of Law where she directs the Right to Vote project. Her most recent publication is "Restoring the Right to Vote."

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It's about time
Posted by: UnEasyOne on Apr 21, 2008 12:51 AM   
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Some "democracy."

Were it possible, the repressive rethugs would disenfranchise everyone but the white property owners that originally had the vote.

While the good Senators seek to empower one segment, every Republican-controlled legislature is doing everything it can to purge voter rolls of likely Democrats, restrict registration now and eligibility (voter ID laws)later. There will be shortages and malfunctions of voting machines (in poor areas - no lines for the rich), rigged machines, caged voter lists, mixed in with whatever new tricks they can come up with between now and November.

Anybody who supports that agenda is a traitor - not simply someone with an opposing view.

Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing every one of em tried, convicted and shot.

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» dumb democrats, dumb republicans Posted by: Moore Hognutz
» yeah, bring on the gillotine Posted by: pfeifer999
» RE: OMG! You caught me in a typo! Posted by: pfeifer999
Terrorist
Posted by: HeKnew on Apr 21, 2008 1:10 AM   
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What if there was another attack and federal elections were suspended "for the duration"?


Direct Democracy

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» RE: Terrorist Posted by: pfeifer999
» RE: Terrorist Posted by: donl51
» OK dokey then Posted by: pfeifer999
Selective Voter Enfranchisement / Disenfranchisement
Posted by: aouie01 on Apr 21, 2008 1:32 AM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
It is a good idea to restrict voting rights to those who are likely to not misuse the power to influence the lives of others. A felony conviction does not necessarily render someone incapable of making better election related decisions than the average voter.

Enfranchising too many voters who are (unreasonably) unable or unwilling to give a reasonable amount of value to the wishes and desires of others is unlikely to lead to a fair society. Probably the parts of Europe that are fearing imposition of fundamentalist Islamic values on the rest of society due to the increasing Muslim population will address this issue in the not too distant future. While many accept lingering Judeo-Christian values imposed on them as a community standard, the possibility of newer Islamic community standards is very threatening to many. Trampling on the freedom to express one's religious beliefs like France's ban on head scarves is a bad way to the address the fear. A fairer and universally applicable system to keep others from infringing on other's freedoms is needed.

A common mistake made by many is to refer to prior mistakes in implementation of sound principles by rejecting the sound principles. e.g. Because of the widespread misuse of the preemptive defense argument by world powers many people who greatly favor peace over war fail to recognize (or maybe simply refuse to acknowledge) preemptive defense as a sound principle. Bad applications of principles does not imply the principle is bad.

Though I will be working on an idealized democratic system, I do think it is unwise to hand power to those who would misuse it. I haven't quite figured out the details of a way to address the issue, but hopefully better education and communication will make selective enfranchisement and disenfranchisement unnecessary (to achieve a much fairer democracy that greatly values an individual's preferences). An extreme instance of selective enfranchisement of voters is settling for a good dictatorship over a bad democracy till conditions for a good democracy is established (how good and how bad things need to be to justify such a choice is subjective). A sound principle misused by Pakistan's ruler.
Sincerely,
Aouie

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Accountability
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Apr 21, 2008 4:14 AM   
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It's all about accountability and representation, assuming you were a citizen when you committed the crime. They're taking away something that--from a moral and logical standpoint--they can't take away.

Of course, it's a convenient slippery slope for the regime. If you're a "suspected terrorist", member of a peace group, or have something in your FBI file, maybe your commitment to your country is questionable...Or to put it another way, your statistical likelihood of voting the right way is questionable.

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» exactly right Posted by: pfeifer999
» RE: exactly right Posted by: Cybershaman
» OK which laws? Posted by: pfeifer999
» RE: OK which laws? Posted by: Cybershaman
Hand grenade post
Posted by: pfeifer999 on Apr 21, 2008 4:45 AM   
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The author dismisses literacy tests as if they were just another bad idea from a bad, old past.

By show of hands, how many readers think that being able to read is not such a bad thing to require in a voter?

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» RE: Hand grenade post Posted by: Cybershaman
» RE: Hand grenade post Posted by: e rice
» RE: Hand grenade post Posted by: Cybershaman
» RE: Hand grenade post Posted by: e rice
» second show of hands Posted by: pfeifer999
» RE: Great point, only one problem Posted by: pfeifer999
» RE: Great point, only one problem Posted by: Cybershaman
» we agree on several points Posted by: pfeifer999
» RE: we agree on several points Posted by: Cybershaman
» RE: second show of hands Posted by: BigElectricCat
» BigElectricCat Posted by: pfeifer999
» RE: Hand grenade post Posted by: Dixongeo
» RE: Hand grenade post Posted by: pfeifer999
» RE: Hand grenade post Posted by: Dixongeo
» uh...Athens Posted by: pfeifer999
» RE: uh...Athens Posted by: UnEasyOne
» RE: uh...Athens Posted by: pfeifer999
» Moot point Posted by: Ayla87
» RE: Moot point Posted by: pfeifer999
» cause and effect Posted by: pfeifer999
Commitment And Accountability
Posted by: bc430 on Apr 21, 2008 5:13 AM   
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Whose commitment and accountability should be brought into question as an examination of America's lack of participatory democracy gets underway, the criminals who now own the government, We, the dumb ass so called citizens who remained passive before, while and after it happened or some convicted poor people, none of whom bankrupted a nation or murdered thousands in an illegal War?

There are better minds and purer hearts in prisons right now than in the cabinet of the Bush administration and the US Congress. Every sick mind who signed off on torture has at least one college degree so what does education have to do with responsibility in matters of governance?

Selective franchisement??? PLease.

Power is never conceided without demand.

When are WE going to get angry enough to act to make it so?

More foreclosures, more unemployment, more anger, more rage, Higher gas prices, food shortages, more whatever it takes to turn so much pontifficating into ACTION. Bring on the Pain!!! Share the Suffering!!!!!!

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I agree with the last two posts implicitly.
Posted by: Nightstallion on Apr 21, 2008 5:44 AM   
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Further more as to the vote, I am personally aware of five imprisoned men who served sentences even though NONE of them were guilty of crimes. Statistically what this means is appalling it frightens me to think that better than 60 percent of those doing time for Hard Crimes maybe innocent. That gives me impetus to declare ALL men should be able to vote and none of us should trust the penal system or the judges that use them.

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» but not women? Posted by: e rice
» attaperson. e!!! Posted by: Moore Hognutz
» RE: attaperson. e!!! Posted by: e rice
God
Posted by: sp00n67 on Apr 21, 2008 6:12 AM   
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The reason there are so many felons is that, the laws of the Constitution that were made to protect the people are being disregarded while making more laws and changing laws in which just about anything we do seems to be a felony.
Murder is a felony, so is armed robbery,rape, 1st degree burglary and I'm sure you could include something else but that is about it.
Any alligation is good enough to bankrupt anyone and destroy their family as we are presumed guilty and the cost to fight false charges are too high for most people. This is a main issue which is destroying America that does not seemed to be recognized or addressed by our elected officials. This puts inocent people in jail just to await a trial that could take years. Great for the crime business but bad for freedom as bad laws like Mariwana was made intentionally to increase crime statistics and reduce competition in Pharmacuticles,paper and rope industry while tageting minorities for legalized slavery no diffrint then they had a hundred years before.
They made none violent crimes into major felony convictions to reduce potentional voters from changing their agenda.
They made crime into a business and the more felony convictions the more money for investors of private supermax prisons. This gave the police the green light to do as they please and throw the book at everyone except public officials and of course themselves. The police and the Justice System who are appointed by thives, war criminals and terroist themselves denying the people Justice.
Torture and human right violations are happaning right here in every police station in good old US of A. The media is also in on their little game as the are owned by big business with the same agenda as the Justice system they support. That is why cops are very seldome proscicuted and big coperations executives are allowed to rob us blind with no accountability. Everytime they start a war they make billions in company stocks while cheering on and supporting the troops and if you disagree you are not patriotic and they have you investigated while the media sais what they please to take anyone down. This Country runs on lies that the media supports to make everyone believe what they want you to believe like the war is going very well and the troops are all in good spirits while the economy is booming as the stocks are up and there is no possibility of a resession and were all going to be rich as long as we close our borders and fight the terroist forever. This will create more jobs to incarcerate more of or own people while making more laws that will make it harder for their families to survive. We can sqweeze every dime they have and everything else even if we have to steal their social security. Mc Cain is just what we need, Annie Oakly never lied. Barack great great grand mother was an illegal immigrant so you can't vote for him, although he's the only one who make's any sense at all and is the most intelligent President I ever seen who brings everyone together. Of course he is a threat to the good old boys and big business, because his wife is too smart, he is only half white, he took no money from big corperations, Oh he's not a Veteran and the church he attended as a kid had a pastor who name was reverend Wright and I didn't see anything that he said that was wrong and today we are going through the same injustices as The Incas, The Aztecs, The Indians, The Negroes, The Mexicans and We are Next as look around, it's happening and were going down, really fast. Everyone will get what they deserve I can garrantee you that this is just a little taste, enjoy.

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Education
Posted by: mattcoa on Apr 21, 2008 6:34 AM   
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I think the larger issue here is about people voting for the wrong reasons. First of all, voter turnout averages at 50%. Then we got idiots who vote for a canidate just because they like the guy or they've heard bad things about the other candidate. People's emotions are too easily manipulated, and they don't do enough research of their own on the candidates. The fact that there are still undecided voters in the primaries shows that these people are idiots, and completely oblivious to everything going on around them. We've all seen what happens when people vote for a "regular guy who they'd like to have a beer with". This isn't highschool, vote on the issues.

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» FOLKS this is exactly my point Posted by: pfeifer999
» RE: education Posted by: cherylsass123
Close the schools, then require literacy tests?
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Apr 21, 2008 6:45 AM   
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What's the agenda there?

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I can't vote either
Posted by: charlief on Apr 21, 2008 7:02 AM   
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... but then, I only pay my [many] taxes and abide by all the laws and have never been convicted of anything. Yet, still I can't vote. I suppose holding a Green Card is another way of saying disenfranchisement.

And please don't give me the "become a citizen" in order to vote nonsense. I've heard it. And it doesn't change a thing. 'No taxation without representation' was the clarion call 230+ years ago. What happened?

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» you are not a citizen Posted by: e rice
» my mother was an immigrant Posted by: e rice
» Mr. / Mrs. Criminal... Posted by: pfeifer999
» RE: you are not a citizen Posted by: AussieGeoff
» thank you Posted by: e rice
» charlief where did you come from? Posted by: pfeifer999
» RE: I can't vote either Posted by: rickiey
» RE: I can't vote either Posted by: Nowwhat
Partially agree. I mean, c'mon...most of these folks are non-violent habitual...
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Apr 21, 2008 8:16 AM   
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...current or former dopers. I don't see any reason that these folks shouldn't be able to vote.

On the other hand, you do have violent or negligent offenders, who have, in some cases, permanently disenfranchised their victims. In cases such as murder, or when you choose to get behind the wheel sloshed and end someone, no thanks. You don't get to vote either.

There is also a powerful argument to be made for denying people who leave the permanent scars of rape and child abuse on their victims. If you cause someone to be socially handicapped, or make them afraid for the rest of their lives, your considerations come smack, dead last.

So yeah, while I agree that dopers and petty thieves who barely cross the threshold of a felony shouldn't lose their right to participate in elections forever, I would draw the line at those who are convicted of homocide or other violent offenses. They made their choices against society, now they get to live with society's choice for punishment. If that includes sitting out elections, so be it.

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Since when did voting in America count?
Posted by: Cathyc on Apr 21, 2008 8:43 AM   
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After all, your current president was NOT elected twice before, but he still got to be president. And no doubt he will next time around. Who needs your votes when they have all the force they need to keep them in power?
Stuff your vote!

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» you are SO right! Posted by: pfeifer999
» Sadly, I am right! Posted by: Cathyc
How does mandatory voting work in Australia?
Posted by: war_on_tara on Apr 21, 2008 9:23 AM   
Current rating: 3    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I regret the American tendency always to "reinvent the wheel" and am intrigued by the Australian approach of making voting MANDATORY!

How long has that been the law? What was the inspiration at the time? Are convicted felons required to vote as well?

I'm almost afraid to ask, what could the penalty possibly be if you don't vote? They exile you to Norfolk Island or something? (and then you're a convicted felon and then what?)...

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A view from the peer reviewed journals
Posted by: LouisFallert on Apr 21, 2008 11:03 AM   
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Christopher Uggen and Jeff Manza, in "Democratic Contraction? Political Consequences of Felon Disenfranchisement in the United States" American Sociological Review, Vol. 67, No. 6 (Dec., 2002), p. 790 wrote:
"Without felon disenfranchisement, our cumulative counterfactual suggests that Democrats may well have controlled the Senate throughout the 1990's"

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Illiterate? Wanna vote?
Posted by: willymack on Apr 21, 2008 11:53 AM   
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Get someone who's literate you KNOW you can trust, to write the names of your chioces in big, bold letters. When you get to the polls, match up your chioces and vote for those names on the ballot that match up the names on your list. The most important point here is VOTE. It's your country,and your vote matters.

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» Your vote matters? Posted by: Cathyc
» RE: Your vote matters? Posted by: VZEQICVA
» RE: Your vote matters? Posted by: e rice
JUST A THOUGHT
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Apr 21, 2008 1:26 PM   
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If people are counted for purposes of defining a congressional district, shouldn't they be allowed to vote (assuming they are of age & citizens). That would include people who are incarcerated, but I think some states allow that too. Voting privileges have nothing to do with a crimnal record. Lots of people just don't get caught. And most politicians are probably guilty of something and they vote. ANNA

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voting is the opiate of the working class
Posted by: billwald on Apr 21, 2008 1:42 PM   
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Let criminals vote. let junior high kids vote. Nothing is going to change.

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I just realized ...
Posted by: douglashoyt on Apr 21, 2008 2:03 PM   
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that I don't give a dam anymore.

I have seen the voting population become dummer and dummer, year after year.

I thought after Reagan things would change for the better. I really believed that people would catch on to the scam run by that shill Reagan.

But, I was wrong. We had Bush I, then Clinton, then Bush II.

Now we have the choice between three of the worst candidates McCaine, Clinton, and Obama.

Not one progressive. Three elitists. Three people who never got their hands dirty, had to make a car payment for a second hand car, or choose between medicine for their kid or food on the table.

Not one of these candidates is a common "man."

I give up. The American public are dummer than I believed.

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» RE: I just realized ... Posted by: e rice
» RE: I just realized ... Posted by: charlief
» RE: I just realized ... Posted by: Moore Hognutz
They should be tax exempt
Posted by: Left of center on Apr 21, 2008 7:05 PM   
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How can anyone justify forcing someone to pay taxes towards a system that prohibits them from participating in the most important aspect of the system? Sounds like a bunch of B.S. to me.

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» well..... Posted by: pfeifer999
having lived in freaking florida........ this is a great idea whose time has come!
Posted by: cherylsass123 on Apr 22, 2008 1:09 AM   
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yes, in florida , a long time ago, and well, " in my past life" I like to say as somebody else legally[ I'm a transgender woman now], I was convicted of a felony hit and run,plus "resisting with violence"[ the daytona beach police beat me up after I attempted to commit suicide by car!]; stemming from this hit and run accident back in 1988[ I was drunk and on phenobarbitals] anyway, after being place on 2-1/2 years of felony probation, I learned of this law; but fortunately the voters registrar never caught on and I was still able to register to vote. anyway, this law, the way saw things while living in florida, was unfair to those whom were especially convicted of a felony drug offense [ or hit and run/DUI like I was, the hit and run but fortunately, never the DUI] IN FLORIDA, BY THE WAY? 20 OR MORE GRAMS OF MARIJUANNA-POSSESION [ NOT SALE]IS A FELONY!!! this the same as dealing pot,possession of " rock" coke; or even, like a dead head friend of mine got busted for once, two " hits" of LSD[FELONY- class C in fla.]

"Imagine if all the convicted pot dealers, crack sellers, even the dead heads whom both sell weed and acid- all could vote" I had once thought. "I BET POT WOULD BE SOON LEGALIZED!!" and yes, this voters disenfranchisement surely does hurt the blacks, as just maybe, if all of those blacks in prison on " rock selling" charges; when they got out, could vote in fla.? then they all would probably have more say about why they had to sell dope in the all repug-lican , "wal mart economy" !!! my redneck neighbor, back while I lived in orlando, once told me; " why do you think there is so much crack selling in the black neighborhoods? IT'S THE ECONOMY, STUPID! TOO BAD THE POLITICIANS CAN'T SEE THIS!" maybe he actually had a very valid point after all????

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Screw em
Posted by: rickiey on Apr 22, 2008 8:37 AM   
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Felony disenfranchisement? I'm in favor of it.

Rapists, murderers, muggers, armed robbers and pedophiles? Screw em. The crimes they commit last a lifetime, and since they aren't getting the death penalty, at least PART of their punishment should be permanent.

I can hear the responses now "But there's a bunch of people in jail simply for drug possession, do they deserve a lifetime ban too?"

Answer: Fix the problem, not the symptom. The PROBLEM is drug laws, fix THOSE and keep the disenfranchisement.

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» RE: Screw em Posted by: darsimaj
» RE: Screw em Posted by: rickiey
One assumption made by advocater of felony disenfranchisement is that our "Justice " system is fair
Posted by: UnEasyOne on Apr 22, 2008 1:28 PM   
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The "big lie" in other words. It is far better to be rich and guilty than poor and innocent once you are ensnared.

60% - 80% of the cocaine in this country is consumed by whites - but the vast majority of convicted drug felons are blacks - who are less than half as numerous.

What that means is that about one in 5 black males has a felony conviction. We incarcerate more people than any other country! The vast majority are poor. Read "likely Democratic voters."

What about the unconvicted whites who are just as guilty - and can still vote? Is that "equal justice under the law"?

These laws are really about disempowering the poor. When a felon votes, no one is harmed - and society may benefit in several ways. It makes the ex-con a stakeholder in society.

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Yes, but not now.
Posted by: jeffreytaos on Apr 23, 2008 6:34 AM   
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It's too late. We only have what we have. If Hillary wins, theres nothing we can do to restore these voters to the roles. She is part of the problem. I even wander if you are not part of the problem, as how are we going to change the machine that runs this country when we are to be distracted with hypotheticals, and no real immediate solutions. You tell me how we can reastore those voters within thirty days of the first Tuesday in November. Otherwise, I see more pressing and urgent concerns on the horizon.

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and yes, I know about the drug war...
Posted by: jeffreytaos on Apr 23, 2008 6:41 AM   
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and to get our people freed from these prisons, we have to change the face of this democracy, and another Clinton is the same one that gave us lip service for so many years, and did nothing to reduce or stop mandatory minimums, question racial inequality, and lied every step of the way, starting with Don't ask and don't tell policies, so when you see those rainbow hillary signs and Chelsea smiling serenely, you should not beleive the pictures, beleive the history. they lied people died. The only hope is to stand with Obama and hold him accountable as he assumes the command. Look at Clinton. Is she on steroids or what? We know she drinks, see jon Daily show. C'mon we need this change now more than ever. Don't beleive the lies, the scare tactics, the republican techniques. I feel sorry for McCain, because he may well be the last true republican, though I think a bit misled and I would far prefe a young intellectual with political experience than another old man standing in for he status quo. the real revolution won't be televised, but the winner of the 2008 election will be on the front p[age. who will it be.

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Convicted Felon ? The U S Army Wants You !
Posted by: hadashito on Apr 23, 2008 4:14 PM   
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What? 5.3 million convicted felons ? Ah, but they will now have a chance to start anew. The U S Army is busily recruiting convicted felons.
My Fellow American Felons, to hell with voting. Get a new life ! Jion the Army !

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Make My Vote Count
Posted by: rlasner@tampabay.rr.com on Apr 23, 2008 4:27 PM   
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How about restoring the voting rights of the millions of Democratic voters in Michigan and Florida? They committed no crime and yet they have been told their vote doesn't count. If they all go out and rob a store will they then have the right to a voice in choosing our President? Why are so many people concerned about the rights of convicted felons but not of law abiding citizens? This doesn't say much for our values!

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I BELIEVE THAT TIME WILL DEMONSTRATE TO US THAT REPUBLICAN MISCHIEF
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Apr 23, 2008 9:57 PM   
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was involved in the Florida and Michigan primaries. The democratic national commitee should spring for the costs of a re-vote. It may be necessary to have national regulation on our primaries. In fact we badly need a fully functional federal election law. As it is there are 50 different ways to run an election and as many different ways to cheat.

The winner take all nature of our election process can make a close election swing on a few precints in a few counties. In the final result what is the difference between a gerrymandered seat and a fixed election?

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AS I SKIM THROUGH YOUR COMMENTS I SEE THAT MANY OF YOU HAVE LOST
Posted by: Raymond Emerson on Apr 23, 2008 10:13 PM   
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faith in the common man. If you believe in democracy, you must recharge your faith in the common man. There are few subjects that you cannot be radical on, but I suspect that democracy is one of them. Harry Truman once commented that the solution to most problems was more democracy. The older I get the smarter Harry gets.

The real problemn with democracy is that it has too much inertia in it. In general the people let things get in too bad shape before they get mad enough to do something about it. Some of us really get frustrated with the lag.

Once a man has served his time his debt to society is finished. He should be treated as totally rehabilitated until such time as he proves otherwise. He should experience no special scrutiny as a result of his incarceration. It hasn't been working that way.

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