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Democracy and Elections

Another Election Expert Questions Florida Do-over by Mail

By Dan Tokaji, Election Law @ Moritz. Posted March 12, 2008.


As the Democratic Party considers ways to redo the Florida and Michigan primaries, more doubts arise about voting by mail.
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With the Clinton and Obama camps at odds over whether to seat Florida and Michigan delegates, the idea of holding an all-mail election has emerged as a possible solution. The New York Times reports this week that Democratic Party officials are "close to completing a draft plan" for a mail-in primary in Florida that would take place in early June. Proponents of all-mail voting often cite Oregon's experience in support of their arguments. If they can do it, the argument goes, why can't we?

Given that Democratic Party rules set clear standards for having delegates recognized, which Florida and Michigan just as clearly failed to abide by, it seems obvious that the delegates selected through those states' prior primaries shouldn't be recognized. At the same time, there are reasons to be very cautious about exporting all-mail elections to these states, especially in a hotly contested and undeniably important race like this one. Here are a few of those reasons:

1. Lack of experience. All-mail elections would be new to Florida. It's certainly true that some voters in Florida and other states already vote by mail, in the form of absentee ballots. But having everyone vote by mail is a major change that raises a different set of issues. In Oregon, the transition to all-mail elections was made gradually, over two decades as summarized in this timeline. Trying to implement all-mail voting on an extremely accelerated schedule would invite trouble. This is particularly true for a state like Florida, to put it mildly, doesn't exactly have a trouble-free history of election administration. With so much at stake, this isn't a great time to experiment.

2. Security. The likelihood of fraud and other forms of electoral manipulation is frequently exaggerated. But to the extent foul play happens, it's most likely to occur with mail-in ballots. That's partly because the anonymity of the ballot is compromised, allowing people to buy and sell their votes in a way that's not possible with in-precinct voting, as Rick Hasen has pointed out. It's also because lots of things that can happen to a ballot between the time it's goes from election authorities to the voter and back again. Suppose some election insider has a list of "deadwood" on the rolls (i.e., people who've died or moved yet remain on the rolls) and is able to intercept those ballots before they get into the mail? Or suppose someone has a connection at the post office? This isn't to argue that these things often happen -- there's not much evidence of such fraud in Oregon, according to this report by Paul Gronke. But again, Oregon's got a long history of dealing with the problems with mail voting, and not much history of corruption. By contrast, there has been fraud with mail ballots in Florida, specifically in a Miami mayoral election in which absentee ballots were found at the home of a local political boss, as noted by Prof. Gronke (at p. 2).

3. Voter mistakes. As we learned in Florida eight years ago, voters make lots of mistakes. Fortunately, the current generation of voting technology can reduce those mistakes, as I've discussed at length in this article. That includes not only electronic touchscreen voting systems, but also paper-based "notice" systems that are used at Florida's precincts. With such "notice" systems, commonly known as precinct-count optical scan, voters run their paper ballots through scanners at each polling place. Those scanners provide voters with notice and the opportunity to erroneous "overvotes" (making more choices than allowed). Such mistakes are more common than you might think, as documented in the media consortium study of ballots in Florida's 2000 election. That study found more than 40 overvotes per 1000 ballots with optical-scan paper ballots. The use of precinct-based notice technology reduced the number of errors to less than 3 per 1000. People voting by mail, of course, don't have access to notice technology and can thus be expected to cast more ballots that won't be counted. And this isn't even taking into consideration the other mistakes than can occur, like sending in the ballot late, failing to include adequate postage, not including adequate identifying information, or not signing in the right place. See this study by Mike Alvarez, Thad Hall, and Betsy Sinclair on the errors that voters make when voting by mail.


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Do Carter and Gore Need to Head Down to Florida?
Posted by: Teri B. on Mar 13, 2008 9:35 AM   
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Dear President Carter and Vice President Gore:

This following is an email I sent to the DNC. I sincerely urge each of you would get involved in this situation.

[QUOTE]If the democratic party doesn’t understand why votes count, in Florida no less, then we are truly, truly lost. Do we need Jimmy Carter to come and oversee elections in THIS country now? What the hell!?!

I don’t care what Florida’s republican politicians did to tick off the DNC. I don't care what any politicians did to tick off the DNC. Voters deserve to have their votes counted. Voters in Florida went out in record numbers and VOTED in good faith. Voting is the cornerstone of democracy. And what a pathetic way to rationalize giving Obama an advantage - not counting votes in Florida. Where have I heard this before?!?

This is voter suppression, and I don't care who is suppressing it or what their excuses are - IT IS WRONG, and we all know it.

I wish Al Gore would jump in and take charge of this issue. He may be the only person with the credibility and neutrality to resolve this situation.

Besides, do you think voters in Florida and Michigan are going to be fine with being disenfranchised and vote for either democrat in November? Can we PLEASE stop shooting ourselves in the foot and savaging our own party and principles?!?

When democrats start playing fast and loose with votes so openly, something has gone very wrong. I think Howard Dean is being a complete ass about this. He should be more concerned with making sure voters are heard than shutting them out with stupid gamesmanship and "rules." It's NOT the voters fault all this BS went down the way it did. They showed up in good faith and VOTED.

I’m starting to think McCain deserves to win if Democrats are this hopelessly stupid and lost.


Respectfully,


Teri B . . .[/QUOTE]

[B]You can email Carter and Gore at: [email]carterweb@emory.edu[/email] and [email]info@carthagegroup.com[/email] [/B]

No matter which side you're on in the battle, if you're a Democrat, you know better than this, because we know what it's like to suffer because votes were suppressed and dirty-butterfly-ballot-tricks were used.

Seriously, have we completely lost our souls?

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Another Consideration
Posted by: ruscle on Mar 13, 2008 1:35 PM   
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Another consideration in this is that many Florida voters have previously made their decisions in the precinct election. This previous decision will undoubtedly skew the results of a new election. Many voters will feel that they already made an informed decision and simply repeat that on their mail in ballots instead of participating all over again in gathering information and comparing the candidates. The problem here is that the candidates did not campaign in Florida (by agreement of all parties). So the initial voter decision was mostly made on name recognition and familiarity. Since one candidate is a former first lady, her candidacy was favored heavily by many Florida voters who did not have more meaningful information. Yet this previous decision, based on name recognition, will likely be repeated by many no matter how much information is available or presented. Do overs are not a common aspect of presidential elections, nor should they be. Otherwise, it could be reasonably argued that after the facts of the NAFTA issue with Canada were fully disclosed, many voters in Ohio might want (and deserve) a do-over to vote for a candidate based on more factual discourse.

No amount of "signature comparison" (however that might occur) or other verification of fair implementation in this process will rewind history in the minds of Florida voters so that this choice is new and fresh and important.

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