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Democracy and Elections

Hillary Wants Florida Do-over Vote Counted in Private

By Mark Crispin Miller, AlterNet. Posted March 12, 2008.


The Clinton campaign's latest push to grab delegates includes a secret vote count.
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Now here's one really terrible idea -- and if Obama goes along with it, he should just write off Florida completely, regardless of how many Democrats down there might vote for him. The Clinton camp is urging a big mail-in re-vote: a "complex plan" that would entail the party's "pay[ing] a private firm to count the votes."

This news comes courtesy of New York Times, which, reports that crucial last detail in passing, but we (and, certainly, Obama) should demand to know (a) why all those ballots should be counted in that way, and (b) which "private firm" the party has in mind. For this is Florida, remember? And, so far, nationwide, the "private firms" retained to manage all aspects of our elections have always done a scandalously rotten job -- or at least it would be scandalous if the U.S. press would bother to report the scandal(s).

In any case, the fact that Clinton's posse wants to do it this way indicates quite clearly that they figure -- rightly -- that it will only benefit themselves.

In the long term, we must ban all private vendors from America's elections, so that such a plan as this would not be merely ill-advised but patently illegal. And, right now, Obama -- and all those Floridians who still believe in fair elections, whether they would vote for him or not -- should just say no to this appalling plan.

Here are the crucial excerpts from the Times story, where at least the Obama campaign seems to be rightly skeptical.

Mr. Obama's campaign has expressed strong reservations about a mail-in primary. Appearing on Hardball with Chris Matthews on MSNBC on Tuesday night, Mr. Obama said it would be important "to figure out whether this was fraud-proof."

Allan Katz, a superdelegate from Tallahassee who supports Mr. Obama, said the plan was "delusional" given the tight time frame, the state's lack of experience with mail-in balloting and its history of voting troubles.

"The likelihood of this being pulled off without lawsuits galore is, I think, very remote," he said. "They have no chance of doing this right; only the chance of another election fiasco in Florida."

Under the plan being finalized, most of the state's roughly four million registered Democrats would receive mail ballots in early May and the vote would be counted in early June, after each voter's signature was verified. The party would run the contest, said Mark Bubriski, a state party spokesman, but would pay the state to authenticate ballot signatures. The party would then pay a private firm to count the votes, Mr. Bubriski said.

The Times report suggests there will be more news today or this week on the Florida and Michigan delegate conundrum. Both states were stripped of delegated after holding early primaries with Democratic National Committee approval. All the candidates signed pledges not to campaign there, but unions supporting the Clinton campaign pushed hard for her in Florida. Obama was not even on the Michigan ballot.

Earlier today, Hilliary Clinton, speaking at a Hispanic Chamber of Commerce meeting, said the Florida and Michigan delegates should be seated.

"If you are a voter from Florida or Michigan, you know that we should count your vote. The nearly two and a half million Americans in those two states who participated in the primary elections are in danger of being excluded from our democratic process and I think that's wrong. The results of those primaries were fair and they should be honored. Over the last few weeks, there has been a lot of discussion about what we should do to ensure that the voters in Florida and Michigan are counted.

"In my view there are two options: Honor the results or hold new primary elections. I don't see any other solutions that are fair and honor the commitment that two and a half million voters made in the Democratic primaries in those two states. Whether voters are clamoring for solutions to the challenges that we face or not, or whether people are coming out in droves to be heard, we have a basic obligation to make sure that every vote in America counts.

"I hope that Senator Obama's campaign will join me in working to make that happen. I think that that is a non-partisan solution to make sure that we do count these votes."

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Mark Crispin Miller is a New York University media studies professor and author of "Fooled Again: The Real case for Electoral Reform."

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Counting the votes
Posted by: Michiganian on Mar 12, 2008 2:32 PM   
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Unfortunately the leadership of the Michigan and Florida Democratic Parties cannot be trusted to count the votes, either. They are solidly in Hillary's corner, and have proven how low they will go by repeatedly claiming that the January primaries were fair. There is no way at this point to administer fair do-overs.

The truth is that it doesn't matter anyway. Hillary cannot catch Obama now. Her friends and supporters need to give her good counsel: quit now, Hillary, while you can salvage a little honor. When she steps down, Barack will agree to support seating of the January primary delegates using the power he will have in the credentials committee.

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» RE: Counting the votes Posted by: rickiey
» RE: Counting the votes Posted by: RobNLA
oldschool
Posted by: mloud on Mar 12, 2008 3:07 PM   
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I would have been fine with either candidate winning the nomination before this dustup over Florida and Michigan delegates. Senator Clinton’s tack seems to be the same old-school political smash and grab, while Senator Obama’s neutral and open stance on the subject seems to offer a refreshing fairness.

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Positively Stalinesque
Posted by: hurricane hugo on Mar 12, 2008 3:16 PM   
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...I just wanted to use the -esque suffix somewhere today.;)

jdfu!

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So what do we do?
Posted by: foreverhope on Mar 12, 2008 4:22 PM   
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brainstorming....what now? I keep phoning Howard Dean's office asking the DNC to take this over and make sure it is done fairly. I don't trust these state legislators, I don't know them, to much matters in this primary.

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no surprise
Posted by: Ames on Mar 12, 2008 10:46 PM   
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this does nothing but confirm to me that hillary has become entrenched in a 'win at all costs' mind-set that is self-serving and destructive.

it's a disappointing feeling. i so desperately wanted to support her in the beginning, i really tried, but i can't. i don't want more of the same cattiness, buck-passing, fear-mongering, mud-slinging politics that we have now. i want change.

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