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Democracy and Elections

When Change Is Not Enough: Seven Steps to Revolution

By Sara Robinson, Campaign for America's Future. Posted February 22, 2008.


If history is any indication, we may be on the road to violent revolution. We got here because of the conservatives' war against liberal government.
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"Those who make peaceful evolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable." -- John F. Kennedy

There's one thing for sure: 2008 isn't anything like politics as usual.

The corporate media (with their unerring eye for the obvious point) is fixated on the narrative that, for the first time ever, Americans will likely end this year with either a woman or a black man headed for the White House. Bloggers are telling stories from the front lines of primaries and caucuses that look like something from the early 60s -- people lining up before dawn to vote in Manoa, Hawaii yesterday; a thousand black college students in Prairie View, Texas marching 10 miles to cast their early votes in the face of a county that tried to disenfranchise them. In recent months, we've also been gobstopped by the sheer passion of the insurgent campaigns of both Barack Obama and Ron Paul, both of whom brought millions of new voters into the conversation -- and with them, a sharp critique of the status quo and a new energy that's agitating toward deep structural change.

There's something implacable, earnest, and righteously angry in the air. And it raises all kinds of questions for burned-out Boomers and jaded Gen Xers who've been ground down to the stump by the mostly losing battles of the past 30 years. Can it be -- at long last -- that Americans have, simply, had enough? Are we, finally, stepping out to take back our government -- and with it, control of our own future? Is this simply a shifting political season -- the kind we get every 20 to 30 years -- or is there something deeper going on here? Do we dare to raise our hopes that this time, we're going to finally win a few? Just how ready is this country for big, serious, forward-looking change?

Recently, I came across a pocket of sociological research that suggested a tantalizing answer to these questions -- and also that America may be far more ready for far more change than anyone really believes is possible at this moment. In fact, according to some sociologists, we've already lined up all the preconditions that have historically set the stage for full-fledged violent revolution.

It turns out that the energy of this moment is not about Hillary or Ron or Barack. It's about who we are, and where we are, and what happens to people's minds when they're left hanging just a little too far past the moment when they're ready for transformative change.

Way back in 1962, Caltech sociologist James C. Davies published an article in the American Sociological Review that summarized the conditions that determine how and when modern political revolutions occur. Intriguingly, Davies cited another scholar, Crane Brinton, who laid out seven "tentative uniformities" that he argued were the common precursors that set the stage for the Puritan, American, French, and Russian revolutions. As I read Davies' argument, it struck me that the same seven stars Brinton named are now precisely lined up at midheaven over America in 2008. Taken together, it's a convergence that creates the perfect social, economic, and political conditions for the biggest revolution since the shot heard 'round the world.

And even more interestingly: in every case, we got here as a direct result of either intended or unintended consequences of the conservatives' war against liberal government, and their attempt to take over our democracy and replace it with a one-party plutocracy. It turns out that, historically, liberal nations make very poor grounds for revolution -- but deeply conservative ones very reliably create the conditions that eventually make violent overthrow necessary. And our own Republicans, it turns out, have done a hell of a job.

Here are the seven criteria, along with the reasons why we're fulfilling each of them now, and how conservative policies conspired to put us on the road to possible revolution.

1. Soaring, Then Crashing

Davies notes that revolutions don't happen in traditional societies that are stable and static -- where people have their place, things are as they've always been, and nobody expects any of that to change. Rather, modern revolutions -- particularly the progressive-minded ones in which people emerge from the fray with greater rights and equality -- happen in economically advancing societies, always at the point where a long period of rising living standards and high, hopeful expectations comes to a crashing end, leaving the citizens in an ugly and disgruntled mood. As Davies put it:

"Revolutions are most likely to occur when a prolonged period of objective economic and social development is followed by a short period of sharp reversal. The all-important effect on the minds of people in a particular society is to produce, during the former period, an expectation of continued ability to satisfy needs -- which continue to rise -- and, during the latter, a mental state of anxiety and frustration when manifest reality breaks away from anticipated reality ...

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Sara Robinson is a twenty-year veteran of Silicon Valley, and is launching a second career as a strategic foresight analyst. When she's not studying change theories and reactionary movements, you can find her singing the alto part over at Orcinus. She lives in Vancouver, BC with her husband and two teenagers.

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Posted by: g50 on Feb 22, 2008 12:46 AM   
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We will get this from President Obama and his large Democratic majority:

"Right now, all we're asking of our modern-day corporate courtiers is that they accept a tax cut repeal on people making over $200K a year, raise the minimum wage, give us decent health care and the right to unionize, and call a halt to their ridiculous "death tax" boondoggle."

Good god, we do not want a revolution. Who will win the revolution? The south and its military bases; the tens of millions of largely conservative people who own guns and will organize militias for the "patriotic" defense of our country. Our cities cannot revolt against the large and largely conservative (fascist?) base of Americans from other non-urban areas.

We are wedded to reformism. We will suffer under revolution.

Let us accept Obama as a great reformist in the tradition of Reagan, Roosevelt, Lincoln. We will be crushed if we make this violent. We are on course for two, perhaps three decades of progressive ascendancy. We need to make the most of our time, because inevitably conservatives will have the upper hand again. Everything has an aspect of being cyclical. Our fortunes are rising - violence will dash our fortunes in the worst of ways.

Right now, we need to accept the smile and the bon mots of the next leaders of the Democrats. And we need to organize locally, statewide and nationally on behalf of the progressive and liberal causes we believe in. The conservatives did this to great effect over the last few decades. Now its our turn.

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How fitting that at such a juncture, when tensions are so high and rising,
Posted by: andabottleof_rum on Feb 22, 2008 1:12 AM   
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and a hunger for transformation grows, the presidential contest is boiling down to a young black man - by appearances the consummate outsider - and an old white man - perfect symbol of the status quo.

This year's election will be big. The question is, will the next administration be big enough to stem the tide of discontentment?

What this country may need is an all out, full-spectrum in one shot. We've had a political revolution (the War of Independence), an ongoing economic revolution (the whole Industrial Age), several cultural revolutions (universal suffrage, the civil rights movement etc.), but never a simultaneous revolution in politics, economics, society, and culture.

Such revolutions tend to get ugly, but in the long term (we're talking generations and centuries) they do the most for the cause of greater humanity.

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Direct Representation
Posted by: aouie01 on Feb 22, 2008 1:46 AM   
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I haven't yet put up the thoughts on the web site, but essentially, it would be a much more idealized democratic system. Much better than "Proportional Representation". Hope to have extensive details and plans at DirectRepresentation.com over the next few months (by the end of 2008 at the latest). It would be quite different from a similar concept that has been worded the same.

Essentially, people should be able to have a proportionate say in any thing that they want to have a say in. Representatives should represent the individuals well or risk being fired (like in any other job).

Direct Representation as a near ideal democratic system is not going to save the world by itself, but it will hopefully rectify a lot of significant problems with politics and governmental failures to be an instrument of the people.
Sincerely,
Aouie

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Just quibbling
Posted by: paddy_corbeil on Feb 22, 2008 1:49 AM   
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Look, this is just being over precise and I know it but I have to say this. The closing arguments of this article seriously fall down on the nature of the 'modern' regimes that fall to revolution. Since 1648 and the Treaty of Westphalia ending the Thirty Years War there has been an the idea of the modern state. The beginning of industrialization did not begin until over a century later. This date, lets say post 1776, is well after the 350 years argument of the author. The French revolution was the first 'modern' revolution (sorry USA) but it wasn't industrialized. The Russian revolution was 'modern' and perhaps partially industrialized. The Iranian revolution is an even more difficult hybrid considering the emergence of the religious hegemony of Khomeini following on the heels of a legitimately modern revolution. Revolutions have different forms and different epochs construct different outcomes.

Sure this is historical quibbling but perhaps it is a fair question to ask what effect the structural preconditions for revolution that existed in the early modern and early industrialized world will have on a post-industrial 21st century society.

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» RE: Argentina... Posted by: oregoncharles
The Next President will have to take Bold Steps ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Feb 22, 2008 1:59 AM   
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As the article points out we are facing a perfect storm of social, economic and governmental failures that will paralyze the nation.

Only bold well thought out initiatives will begin to reverse the damage of the last 28 years. Only enlisting the public in this change will it have a chance. Of course the best candidate for this is Barack Obama. But even in him I see a timidity for real change, a lack of resolution for courageous measures. I say this after looking at his advisers and main contributors.

Is the Democratic Congress up to the task ? As of right now I would say absolutely not. The coming crises may help in giving then some backbone but the bet is a tossup from my angle upon seeing the rampant corruption that pervades their hierarchy.

There is a chance the country can repair itself but the two other scenarios loom large. They are the revolution that the author describes and then there is the fascist state that the powers that be have been constructing in and around every aspect of our lives for the last 7 years being brought to bear against us.

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Talk of revolution is slacker's talk
Posted by: Bobsays on Feb 22, 2008 2:12 AM   
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Revolution is not desirable for the following reasons: history shows us that revolution (think Russia, Cuba etc.) always ends up bringing in tyranny and killing many. The so-called American Revolution was not a revolution but a national liberation rebellion, which is a totally different thing.

Slackers talk of revolution when they couldn't be strong enough to build a national political movement to rival the Democrats and show how irrelevent they are. Real political and social change comes from building networks that are deeply part of the people and connect them to a bigger political project.

If you want to know the consequences of taking the violent route, you do not need to go too far back. At the beginning of the millennium Naomi Klein and crew were egging on violence at all international events. And what was the result? A massive state crackdown, authoritarian security measures and 9/11.

Revolution and terrorism are used by people like anarchists as an elitist act (because it is always a small number of people who do these things) to shortcut social and political change. It always ends badly.

It is true we will see crime and violent disorder because of injustice, but that is not revolution (street mobs do not bring about serious political change).

Revolutionary talk will only provoke conservative forces to violently mobilise to protect their interests. As we saw with the backlash against the Black Panthers, it will end in tears for progressives.

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» Ahistorical idiocy Posted by: Bobsays
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How about energy independence as the basis of peaceful revolution?
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Feb 22, 2008 2:21 AM   
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Social revolutionaries are always so very impractical. At the end of the day, everyone is still going to want a warm meal and a place to sleep that isn't freezing. Where will everyone turn? To the petroleum and coal and nuclear industries? Or to real renewables?

Right now, we ensure our access to energy supplies around the world via military force and diplomatic agreements. That is going to change, one way or the other, sooner or later. We are going to have to figure out how to do without foreign energy imports of fossil fuels, period.

That's the real revolution that needs to happen - an energy revolution based on sunlight, wind and sustainable, fossil-fuel free agriculture.

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» dude...you've OD'd on prozac... Posted by: psychchurch
and the choice is......
Posted by: DJPsychomike on Feb 22, 2008 3:35 AM   
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I have always considered Bush to be simply carrying out the Clinton plan. As will McCain or Hillary.When Lenin called on troops- a sizable chunk went with him. There is no revolutionary party that could call a meeting of thousands of soldiers, and Generals today. If young protesters started giving their 911/ Larouche based conspiracy ideas out, they couldn't even get cops to join them.

Anyone entertaining violent revolution without at least a third of the military is smoking better stuff than I can get!

Here is the real problem:

350,000 kids under the age of 5 died because of sanctions Bill had on Iraq. Even tho at the time Saddam said he had no WMD.

No one ever says that might have created more terrorists.

Then he bombed Iraq for a month openly, and up until he left office secretly.

But for some reason, people don't remember this! How can we deal with any kind of change when we are still in denial about 1 million Iraqi's dead before Clinton left office?

Television interview, "60 Minutes", May 12, 1996:
Lesley Stahl, speaking of US sanctions against Iraq:
"We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean,
that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And -- and you know, is
the price worth it?"
Madeleine Albright: "I think this is a very hard choice,
but the price -- we think the price is worth it."
At the Town Hall in Columbus, Ohio, Feb. 18, 1998, Ms. Albright
was moved to declare: "I am willing to make a bet to anyone here that
we care more about the Iraqi people than Saddam Hussein does."

We are deep, deep trouble. It is quite clear both parties are having great difficulty entering the 21st century.

That means we should start thinking of either taking over the parties or starting a new one.

Tell you what, if you can get 10 million people to march for armed revolution ON NEXT SUPERBOWL SUNDAY and have at least several military units I'll listen to talk of revolution.

Until then, pass that bowl. And think about how to out- manuever the party honchos who talk peace but pay for war.
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» RE: and the choice is...... Posted by: RedAaron
Revolution? Or Evolution?
Posted by: roadrunner on Feb 22, 2008 3:43 AM   
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I agree with whatsisface about getting our progressive asses kicked in a revolution, since those racist Aryan country boys are so much better armed than our urban Latino and Black gang bangers...

Oh. Uh... On the other hand...

Let`s rethink this: So, the country boys`ll all be riding high on trailer-cooked crystal meth, and our city boys will be advancing the cause with nostrils full of mountain-grown cocaine, pasture-fresh `shrooms, and hydroponic free-range weed.

The only question is: when the city boys are distracted by the `shroom-induced "mass UFO landings" will the country boys be sufficiently paranoid to start shooting each other?

Probably.

It`ll be the bloodiest non-revolution of all time.

The next day, Google will debut its brand-new dirt-cheep solar cells, oil and coal will become irrelevant, and computers will take over the world by distracting everyone with the most entertaining video game ever conceived, as they divert massive amounts of food to famine areas.



You`re living at the bottom of the steepest technological and cultural curve EVER.


GET AN IMAGINATION

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» RE: evolution? Or Evolution? Posted by: Knot_Rich
Interesting Points
Posted by: EKSwitaj on Feb 22, 2008 3:56 AM   
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But Obama's campaign is hardly an insurgent one. Well before anyone had voted, the mainstream media had pared the race down to a match between him and Clinton. He has the blessing of the party establishment and has had it since he gave a speech at the last Democratic national convention.

He and his campaign are immensely skilled at creating the appearance of insurgency and thus reappropriating the energies that might otherwise go towards revolution or working for real reform.

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» RE: Interesting Points Posted by: liberalibrarian
Wise words
Posted by: saltoafronteira on Feb 22, 2008 4:04 AM   
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Let's hope Barack clearly understands the issues, and has the wisdom to keep relying more in people's support that lobbyists.
Let's also hope that, if so, there will be a na election, and a fair one, this year and, why not say so, lets also hope he (Barack) gets there alive and in good health, in order to be elected. Lets also hope that, afterwards, he doesn't finish like is alter ego (JFK).
If not, the words above may become profetic.

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how ironic that....
Posted by: ellie on Feb 22, 2008 4:11 AM   
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this article hit the web this morning.... in my 2 sections of sociology 101 yesterday, we talked about Davies J Curve, which is part of this little 'pocket' this author discovered.... just emailed all of these 101 students this article to read and comment on for some extra credit.... this discussion could get interesting fast!

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Blah, blah, blah!
Posted by: maxaron on Feb 22, 2008 4:32 AM   
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Revolution...Shmevolution...it's all B......T.

This country consists of about 50% moronic voters who don't know their right from their left and who consistly leave their smugly righteous predilections and garbage at the feet of those who seek our betterment through enlightenment. It's an old story and a sad one. Think of Enron and ponder that story for a while!

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Revolution renewed
Posted by: pgj1949 on Feb 22, 2008 4:43 AM   
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We in the US operate don't think we need revolutionary change because, after all, we already had our revolution! One of the reasons why both the Cuban and Venezuelan revolutions gained popular support was that each was seen as the continuation of a previous revolution. These previous revolutions have been part of the ongoing popular mythos of each people.
Castro and his people viewed their revolution as a continuation of the revolution led in the late 1800's by Jose Marti and others. (That revolution had been interrupted by the US's invasion of Cuba to take control from Spain.) In Venezuela, President Hugo Chavez has led what he describes as a continuation of the continent-wide revolution of Simon Bolivar. That revolution may have largely liberated the continent from Spain, but it did not liberate it from economic imperialism from el Norte.
When they supported Castro or Chavez, therefore, the People may have been opposing the corrupt oligarchy of the moment, but they may see themselves as standing with heroes like Maseo Gomez, Jose Marti, and Simon Bolivar.
If we are to create revolutionary change here in the US, we must first believe that both our revolution of 1776 and our constitution were the product of compromised (or sometimes abandoned) principles, and that our revolution therefore must be renewed. If giants and heroes participated in that revolution (as I believe they did), then our revolution must permit us to move forward in the company of Washington, Jefferson, and Dr. Franklin.

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Terrorist
Posted by: HeKnew on Feb 22, 2008 5:02 AM   
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Barack Obama is going to be either obstructed, co-opted, or murdered.

It's up to us to create change by whatever means necessary.

Which side are you on?

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» RE: Terrorist Posted by: liberalibrarian
"Revolution" is the secular equivalent of the "Second Coming"
Posted by: hagwind on Feb 22, 2008 5:14 AM   
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People love to fantasize and talk about it, but probably it ain't gonna happen any time soon. People who think it's gonna happen are always seeing signs that it's right around the corner. Their reports fill a lot of print and air space, but they don't make it happen faster.

P.S. History tells us pretty much anything that we're smart or stupid enough to read there.

P.P.S. What the dreamers of the Apocalypse keep missing is just how resilient both people and the system are. The absolute brilliance of the U.S. system is its resilience -- its ability to deal with change and the wild card. It's gone into nosedives before, but every time (so far) the citizens have managed to pull up before the plane hits the ground. Our most important job as citizens is to identify and challenge the areas where the system has lost its resilience. As far as I can tell, that's what this presidential election campaign is about. Everyone with a brain seems to realize that something needs fixing. This is a good sign.

P.P.P.S. On the other hand, any society where someone can make a career as a "strategic foresight analyst" may be in serious trouble, especially when the foresight analyst's hindsight is so murky. Nevertheless, hot air and bullpucky alone never caused a revolution, and probably won't cause the Second Coming either. Whew.

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Funny Revolution
Posted by: Stellaa on Feb 22, 2008 5:16 AM   
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Funny revolution when the aristocrats, the Kennedys and a Plutocrat Oparh are the cheerleaders.

Please, this is not a revolution. It's taking peoples anger and diverting their energy into the super appeaser and organization man. When has he risked offending the status quo? He is the voice of the status quo, framed to make the angry go along.

The revolution was cancelled for this feel good moment.

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» read the article, please Posted by: improperly_sedated
Past mistakes
Posted by: DobeyMan on Feb 22, 2008 5:20 AM   
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As a 50-something year old, I feel like our generation failed successive generations by not insisting that Nixon, Kissinger and others responsible for the genocide perpetrated in SE Asia in the 70's be executed for their crimes. This failure was repeated again in the 80's by allowing GHW Bush and his friends to get away treason ("October surprise") and mass-murder (Latin America). Our current desperate situation is the inevitable result of allowing capital criminals to go unpunished. My hope is that we will one day have an opportunity to atone for these fateful mistakes. Any truly revolutionary change in our nation - required to restore democracy and the rule of law - must begin with the destruction of the Bush crime family and every other American guilty of mass-murder and treason. If we fail again to destroy America's criminal class, we do so at our own peril.

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» RE: Past mistakes Posted by: babs
Revolution Under Glass
Posted by: anna banana on Feb 22, 2008 5:28 AM   
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Look, I’m as much in favor of revolutions as the next person, especially in a country that has supplanted Nazi Germany as the reigning horror of the world. But people have to be prepared to die in the cause of revolution. When there are a sufficient number of folks ready to give it up for what they believe, then it will happen. The conditions are the conditions are the conditions. So it raises the question, are things bad enough yet that people see death as preferable to living under the criminal class that directs this system? Do they yet see this system itself as an inherent evil? Remember, revolutions are not planned, they are the result of the spontaneous anger of people unwilling or unable to take it any longer. They are, regretfully, not fought because of a murderous foreign policy. They are born of hunger, repression, and acts of barbarism on the part of the ruling classes. I don’t think we are there yet. But I do think there will be some changes, but a word of caution; recent history has shown that we the people, when we can no longer be effectively controlled by propaganda, can be bought off relatively cheaply – a national health care program, for example, or increases in minimum wages or a realignment of sexual and racial equity—or all of the above. Over the long haul they won’t matter very much: the health care will be cumbersome and inefficient—and profitable to the same gangsters that run the HMOs; the increases in minimum wages will be offset by increases in the cost of living; and sexual and racial discrimination will persist as robust as ever, however less obvious. But it will be better than things are now, and it may be all that we can immediately hope for. The idea that there will be a significantly corresponding realignment of income distribution seems too far-fetched at present. But we could have an increase in regulation and enforcement, we might be able to curtail the most egregious acts of public theft and we might see some of the bastards responsible for the deaths of more than a million Iraqis at least publicly embarrassed. We’ll have to be satisfied with this for the present—all the talk of revolution is exactly that, talk. In fact, it’s worse than just talk, because it diffuses the energy required to push for change. If you want to do some good, go out in your own neighborhood and organize around those issues most vital to us. But don’t push the idea of revolution until you yourself are ready to pick up a weapon and go to war. When things get bad enough, you’ll have a lot of company.

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» RE: Revolution Under Glass Posted by: hagwind
» RE: Learn to shoot Posted by: oregoncharles
» RE: evolution Under Glass Posted by: Dianka
The Coming Economic Depression
Posted by: ronheri on Feb 22, 2008 5:33 AM   
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The author of this article has pointed out where we were, where we're at, and where we are surely heading in America. The Federal Reserve (Central-Banking Cartel), along with the power-elite (The Transnational Corporations) have overtaken our Republic. Americans with only a choice of a Republican candidate, or Democrat (Both parties owned by the same power elite); are waking up to the fact that neither party is for real change. The Democrats given control of Congress in 06 are a perfect example. Maybe the economic depression we are entering is just what is needed for freedom loving Americans to finally wake up to the stark reality that real change (Just as in the Vietnam War protests) will only come when we do take our revolution to the streets. We are losing our middle class jobs, our homes, any hope for the future and last but not least our beloved Constitution. "Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose". It's been over two hundred years since the last revoltion in America; it's my belief that the next one is coming very soon.

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Silly, silly woman
Posted by: KAEL on Feb 22, 2008 5:34 AM   
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Talk about cherry picking what we have in common with countries ready for violent revolution while omitting what distinguishes us, even at our most divided (which we are not), from that same fallow ground is a travesty to your adopted profession and to those of us who look for serious analysis in our free press. Back to Silcon Valley for you, faux journalist.

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» "Shut up!" he explained Posted by: improperly_sedated
soowee
Posted by: soowee on Feb 22, 2008 5:54 AM   
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The seeds of revolution have indeed been sown, but the question of whether or not the ground is fertile enough or well-enough watered is still open.

The US Supreme Court refused this week to review the eavesdropping practices of the Bush Admin. on citizens. This lack of check and balance by the judiciary on the executive is very troubling to me. Article II of the Constitution empowering the Executive Branch is very limited. It is the duty of the Congress and Supreme Court to enforce those limits. The Democrats in Congress (Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi) have already abdicated those responsibilities. The only recourse was the courts, and now that is gone.

George W. Bush is out of control--literally. He behaves as a dictator. He is the classic AA dry-drunk, mesmerized by his own power. If the other branches of government won't curtail his excesses, then violent revolution may well occur, and we are all in danger if that happens. It could very well go in a very malignant direction.

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» RE: soowee Posted by: dbkchi
I MUST BE A COMPLETE IDIOT
Posted by: skizum on Feb 22, 2008 5:57 AM   
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I am the only one who thinks we need to address a much more fundamental issue at the root of the cycle of revolution; Human Nature. This is the topic that we urgently need to understand and learn to effective deal with.

Human nature is inescapable and fundamentally at the root of solving so many of the world's problems. We find ourselves at an important crossroad of having longer life spans, better ways to control disease, more leisure time, instantaneous global communication and a wealth of recorded history of human experiment... VS ...the ability to destroy ourselves very quickly or a bit slower, a path that we are currently and predictably on.

Allow me to broadly de-construct this issue a bit...Why do we have an aggressively growing gap between haves and have-nots nationally and globally? Why do we fight wars over resources? Why do the elite power brokers manipulate and deceive to consolidate more power? Why do employers cut benefits to raise their own profits? Why is the one economic scam or bubble bursting after another in increasing frequency?

I could go on asking 100 more similar questions and there will be a common answer to them all. These practices stem from one of most primal motivations integral to not only to human nature but animal nature as well...The need to dominate.

Think about it. Most mammals establish social order through dominance. Let's use the example of gorillas for the moment. The dominant alpha male establishes dominance through brute force so that he can have controlling access to territory, food, water, mating preference and so on. You can substitute many specific mammals into this model including humans.

In the case of humans, we have a much more developed sense of intellect, communication and technology to create many layers of complexity to camouflage our primal drive to dominate. Not only do we gain power through the enhanced brute force of armaments but we have developed languages which can be grossly malleable in meaning and rationale, susceptible to manipulation and control.

It is important for me to note that the need to dominate is not the only part of humane nature we need to pay attention to but it certainly is a good place to start. There are many other specific behavioral elements of the human condition that are common to us all.

I propose that we put a greater effort into identifying, verifying, disseminating an understanding of, assessing our individual and societal balance of the understanding of the elements of our own human nature. Let's create a humanely sustainable solution based on reality.

The Universal Humane Heeds Assessment Project:
My efforts in this regard go toward developing an intuitively understandable and comprehensively verifiable map or a periodic table describing the elements human behavior.

The theory goes something like this: Perhaps IF we can identify and verify a common set of needs/desires/experiences of the human condition AND realize a shared compassion for living humanely THEN we may be able to use these inherent truths as a basis from which to reevaluate our economic systems, social systems, governmental systems, environmental regulations and legal systems. The project is in it's infancy but growing steadily. While I understand that there is some research out there that correlates to mine, there is no doubt that the topic needs to be pushed to the forefront of our attention and should play a daily role in our conscious lives.

In effect, we need to come clean with reality and utilize our intellect and survival instinct to overcome our need to dominate as individuals.

Start Locally, Spread Awareness!

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» Bonobos Posted by: Cathyc
Our Ruling Class
Posted by: 538T on Feb 22, 2008 6:03 AM   
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The ruling class of the United States is the most powerful, entrenched ruling class the world has ever seen. They've had countless historical examples to learn from, have figured out all the right moves, and have us pinned down without hope.
Do you honestly think a recession, housing market bust, Bush presidency, and Iraq quagmire are signs of a crumbling elite? Roman and British ruling classes withstood much worse throughout history. So-called progressives who see plutocracy and unfairness as something new and unique to their own time are as narrow minded and unread as 12th century illiterate serfs.
Why did Louis XVI, Czar Nicholas II, Chiang Kei-Shek and Batista get overthrown? They were morons running a one-man show dictatorship. Our ruling class consists of dozens if not hundreds of elites ruling through concensus on golf courses, in boardrooms, and secret retreats.
The US ruling class has the common people completely divided against themselves on countless platforms- north-south, religious-secular, liberal-conservative, abortion, gays, war, immigration etc... It is classic divide and conquer and it works almost perfectly.
The only group who can destroy the ruling class is the ruling class; they'll have to start fighting and murdering each other to the degree that effective control is lost, and then only a foreign power or heavily armed group can finish them off. And then you'll just be exchanging one ruling class for another.

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» RE: Our Ruling Class Posted by: babs
Golly Gee
Posted by: GollyGee on Feb 22, 2008 6:11 AM   
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...we've already lined up all the preconditions that have historically set the stage for full-fledged violent revolution.

The few intelligent voices like bobsays and KAEL are about the only reason I read AlterNet comments anymore.

After seeing a comment on CommonDreams I got hold of A Force More Powerful (Ackerman and Duvall) based on the movie of the same name. (by Ghandi, Tutu, Walesa et al.)

Don't talk about revolution until you've read it. Both Jimmy Carter and McCain recommend it (!??!?)

Those who have said the U.S. is not ready for a violent revolution are right, and this is good because we don't want one.

Violence will only bring a dictatorship.

Non-cooperation is our only hope and we are ready for that. It does work. Everytime.

Read the book or accept that even McCain is better informed than you are — at least as far as revolution goes.

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