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Why Subsidize Purchases Made on the Internet?

By Mark Weisbrot, AlterNet. Posted June 24, 2008.


If your local sporting goods store can collect and pay a sales tax on the running shoes that it sells, the big internet retailers can do the same.

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Can our state and local governments afford to subsidize businesses that conduct their sales only on the internet, rather than through physical retail stores? And if we could, is there a good reason to do so?

These are the two most obvious questions when addressing the issue of whether internet businesses, such as the e-commerce pioneer Amazon.com, should have to collect and pay the same sales taxes as your neighborhood brick-and-mortar music store (if you have one) has to do. Currently they do not.

On the affordability question, the answer appears to be no and getting more no. Fiscal year 2009 begins in a few weeks, and at least 29 states plus the District of Columbia are facing budget shortfalls. According to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, these states have faced a combined shortfall of $48 billion, or more than 9 percent of their general fund budgets.

Although many of these states have been taking measures to close their budget gaps, the current projections are likely to wind up being over-optimistic. The recession in this country has barely begun, and most governments are very likely under-estimating their revenue declines for the coming fiscal year. The housing bubble that accumulated between 1996 and 2006 gave homeowners an extra $8 trillion of paper wealth. But what a bubble giveth, it taketh away too, and only about half of this bubble has deflated.

As the rest of the bubble collapses, there will be a lot less property tax revenue to fund schools, police, and other government services. As the recession deepens, unemployment rises, and consumers cut back on spending, state and local government revenue from income tax, sales tax, and other sources will decline more than anticipated. Unlike the federal government, most states cannot borrow to cover an operational budget deficit. This means that they will cut spending, including such items as health insurance for children and low-income families, child care, and elementary education. In fact, at least 18 states are already making these kinds of cuts, and the recession has barely started.

In the last recession, which lasted only eight months and was mild compared to what can be expected this time, more than a million people lost health coverage because of state spending cuts.

So we cannot afford to lose tens of billions of dollars in state and local tax revenues by exempting internet sales. But even if it were affordable, there is no good economic reason to do so. Why should our governments favor far-away internet distribution centers over local businesses? This is not good for local or regional economic development. The problem will worsen as internet sales increase each year.

It has been argued that the burden of following the sales tax regulations for 50 states and thousands of local taxing jurisdictions is too much for internet businesses. But the availability of software and service companies has taken the wind out of this argument. Others complain that sales taxes are in general regressive - that is, such taxes take proportionately more from lower-income groups. This is true, but exempting internet sales makes the tax system even more regressive, since internet buyers as a group have higher-than-average income.

So if your local sporting goods store can collect and pay a sales tax on the running shoes that it sells, the big internet retailers can do the same. No need to give e-commerce a 4 to 9 percent advantage to ship from across the country and use more packaging and delivery services. They can compete on the same terms as everyone else, and stop draining badly needed revenue from our state and local governments.

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Mark Weisbrot is Co-Director and co-founder of the Center for Economic and Policy Research. He is also president of Just Foreign Policy.

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Get Real!
Posted by: carbon-based on Jun 24, 2008 10:37 AM   
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The tax burdens placed on companies that sell on line would be enormous. Can you imagine tracking and collecting taxes in all states you sell to. Not only different rates in each state but different rates within town and cities in each state.

Right now no one has to do that. Thats what a use tax is.. you buy out of state and don't pay sales tax then YOU must file a use tax report..

Big government is already killing businesses with regulatory requirements.. thats just what we need.. a paper work nightmare!

Who ever thought up that as viable

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» RE: Get Real! Posted by: Sushi
Why blame the internet?
Posted by: countingdaisies on Jun 24, 2008 10:37 AM   
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Before internet purchases were available, we ordered from catalogs received in the mail and still do. The tax collection rules are basically the same for both; if there is a physical store of the same company located in your state, taxes are collected. I don't know about other states, but on the state income tax form in North Carolina there is a line on which we are supposed to pay sales tax on purchases made outside the state if it is for our personal use, not a gift. However, I don't know of anyone who actually does this. Why should we pay additional taxes to the state we live in when there is no physical store to purchase from? Screw that!

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» RE: Why blame the internet? Posted by: JSquercia
passed on to consumers
Posted by: DCBeltway on Jun 24, 2008 10:45 AM   
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The companies will just pass on the tax bill to the consumer in higher prices.

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Advantages/disadvantages...
Posted by: ahmlco on Jun 24, 2008 10:48 AM   
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Local businesses need to pay local and state sales taxes because they use and depend on roads, water, gas, police, fire departments, and other local infrastructure. Internet-based businesses do not.

Further, internet-based businesses require customers to pay shipping on the products they buy. As such, making customers pay sales tax as well as shipping fees places THOSE businesses at a significant disadvantage. This concept, which you seem to have missed, has been at the core of the catalog and mail-order business for generations. Why does it matter if the "catalog" is paper or electronic?

Finally, while there may be software capable of calculating state, county, and city sales tax rates, it's questionable as to whether or not it's affordable for mom-and-pop internet businesses, as it would need to charge for maintenance and support. Municipalities change rates constantly.

And it's one thing entirely to CALCULATE sales tax. Distributing the funds in accordance with each state's laws and each state's schedule, as well as providing transaction information such that said funds can be distributed correctly among cities and counties is an equally daunting task.

Not to mention the potential privacy issues involved.

In short, find something else to tax.

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subsidized?
Posted by: Joe on Jun 24, 2008 11:22 AM   
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government doesn't have a right to my labor.
government doesn't have a right to representation of my labor (my money)

alternet = putting slavery back in style.

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» No kidding? Posted by: supercrisp
» RE: subsidized? Posted by: Jeppeto
Death to small internet business
Posted by: weofui on Jun 24, 2008 11:27 AM   
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While huge corporations like Amazon.com would easily be able to float the fees associated with state-by-state tax calculation and payment small companies like mine would simply crumple under the weight.

As the law stands now internet companies pay taxes to any state in which they have a physical presence - just like any other business. As such, I have no problem sending off my checks to the state of Colorado where I live and work. If the mom and pop down the street ships a special order to a customer in New Jersey, they're not required to pay New Jersey state taxes. Why should my small business be any different?

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» RE: Death to small internet business Posted by: elusive_enchilada
"increased packaging and use of delivery serives" a different take
Posted by: undrgrndgirl on Jun 24, 2008 12:00 PM   
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online purchasing and having things delivered vs. a lone driver driving a car to the store should actually be preferred...as deliveries are rarely done as a single delivery to one person (or business) - that is ups, fedex, usps, etc make multiple deliveries with one vehicle and the routes those vehicles make are usually thought out to make those deliveries efficient and cost effective...this is certainly NOT the case when each one of us gets in a car and drives around town - or sometimes many miles - running 'errands' and going shopping - some people do try to make their errand running and shopping excursions efficient but i'd venture to guess that most don't...i would even speculate that the increase in the use of packaging (if it is even true) would be off set by the fuel savings of having fewer people on the road running from store to store (especially if that packaging is recycled) - most people run errands the same way they go to work - one person one car - ergo, more traffic, more wasted fuel...
furthermore, i believe, e-stores such as amazon use what is known as "drop shipping" on larger items which means they are shipped directly from the manufacturer to the consumer...this translates to less shipping cost as the items do not go from manufacturer to store to consumer...this also means less packaging as items do not need to be packaged to be shipped to a store where they are unpackaged and displayed only to be put in packaging (plastic bags) for the consumer to take home...the packaging used to ship products from manufacture to store is largely invisible (that is most of us don't see it or think about it so i'm not really sure this author's claim that e-commerce actually increases the use of packaging materials)

so i say e-shopping is preferable to brick and mortar shopping whenever possible.

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» More complicated than this Posted by: supercrisp
» Nothing New Posted by: frantaylor
Total Crap
Posted by: aaroberts on Jun 24, 2008 12:36 PM   
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For the most part the Internet remains one of the only "Tax Free Zones" left in America. It is accessible by all and allows us, the grass roots consumers of the country to save a few more dollars on what we buy.

Your specious, bull shit arguments on brick and mortar establishments “subsidizing” internet corporations is just that bullshit.

Every greedy little politician out there has been trying to figure out how to strip internet sales of its taxless status for years so they can steal more of our money. I guess we know who you support.

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» RE: Total Crap Posted by: Sushi
Hey, if YOU wanna pay more in taxes...
Posted by: Farasien on Jun 25, 2008 5:32 AM   
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...then go right ahead! In case the nitwit author hasn't noticed, we're already paying something like 50% of our total income in various taxes (local, state and national... and international, coming soon, I'm sure!). By not taxing the internet, you aren't subsidizing internet businesses. You are allowing it to thrive and expand. Read up on what many small businesses are saying, or better yet, get the hell out of your NYC penthouse or Berkley CA multimillion 1-bedroom condo and talk to someone who owns a small business and see what they have to do just to keep their doors open these days. Its a pretty damn grim picture. What you're most likely going to hear is that they don't need more taxes, they need a repeal of GATT, NAFTA, CAFTA and any and all other BS global elitist business-destroying treaties. The government already has ENOUGH of our damn money- before they even think about getting more of it, they need to learn to spend it sanely.

WTF is it with people who think fleecing the little guy is the answer to society's ills? Haven't the neocons done that enough already, or are we, as has been done so many times in history, taking on the philosophy of the enemy?

Wake up and fight against the real problems for once.

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Creating Conservatives
Posted by: BCcovers on Jun 25, 2008 10:00 AM   
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For the last decade the tech-industry has been one of the largest bastions of support for democratic and progressive ideas within our capiatlist system. However, now progressives, have targeted their livelihoods. It's easy to be a progressive liberal when those policies you espouse do not directly affect your pocket book. My bet is those google contributions will immediately dry up once the democrats start proposing this. And all thsoe dot-comers who have been more than sympathetic to the progressive cause will turn republican overnight. So go ahead, tax the internet; and keep shoving command-economy BS down our throats. Bite the hand that feeds you and you will see the republican ranks grow in numbers and money.


Furthermore, once the internet is taxed, many of our freedoms that we take for granted here will slowly erode away in the face of government regulation. Just imagine an FCC for the 'net. Pretty scary huh? Currently the internet is void of government interference and chock-full of constructive debate and the exchange of ideas; do we really need the government in here guys? I think not.

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Too Easy!
Posted by: frantaylor on Jun 25, 2008 6:25 PM   
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I sure can imagine the difficulties involved in doing this: NOT MUCH AT ALL.

Many companies have presences in a lot of states and already charge sales tax on purchases made on the Internet. It's really not all that hard.

There are three things you need to do:

1. Figure out how much tax to charge. This is pretty easy, given you already have their zip code. If you can figure out the shipping charges in advance, surely you can figure out the tax. We are talking about computers here, folks, not adding machines.

2. Charge the tax. Just add it onto the bill.

3. Pass the tax along to the relevant state tax office. This is not too difficult, either. This can probably be done electronically. In the very worst case, the software will have to print out a statement and someone will have to cut a check. Oh, dear, that's SO hard.

I am sure there are companies out there with software that will do all of this for you.

People are required by law to pay sales tax on out-of-state purchases ANYWAY. Nobody does, but hey, it's still the law.

I live in New Hampshire so I laugh at your sales tax.

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» RE: Too Easy! Posted by: micah26
End the tax problem once and for all...
Posted by: eiu101 on Jun 25, 2008 8:59 PM   
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Simply end taxes! Our governments can't have budget defecits if they don't exit ;) Why not knock all of our economic angst out of the ballpark with one swing and eliminate the single thing keeping us from true peace and prosperity in our time - the government?

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What about Oregon and New Hampshire?
Posted by: IntlDad on Jun 26, 2008 4:23 PM   
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I live in Oregon. Our sales tax is 0%. When I cross the border into Washington, I show my ID, fill out a short form and pay no sales tax. Why should Oregon merchants be forced to collect sales tax for their tourist sales or for mail orders?

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There is already a taxing element to online businesses
Posted by: jreal on Jun 28, 2008 3:06 AM   
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It's called shipping fees.

And then the waiting. And then possibly missing the delivery.

If there were no such thing as shipping fees, then maybe a tax would be OK. Maybe.

But the consumer is already shunned away sometimes with less hassles going to the city. Or down the street.

Leave the start-ups alone!!

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Weisbrot = idiot
Posted by: Dboy on Jun 30, 2008 12:29 AM   
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Why does this government deserve any more money? I think you forgot to ask that question.

dboy

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Weisbrot = idiot
Posted by: Dboy on Jun 30, 2008 12:29 AM   
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Why does this government deserve any more money? I think you forgot to ask that question.

dboy

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Backward thinking
Posted by: Romans1 on Jul 2, 2008 10:43 AM   
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Instead of trying to find ways to put new taxes on the consumer, lets even the playing field for the local business by eliminating the sales tax. Then government will be forced to spend less. That means wasting less. This means discipline. The problem would be that both Democrats and Republicans are addicted to my wallet.

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Earth To AlterNet
Posted by: NoPCZone on Jul 3, 2008 9:46 AM   
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I think most states, counties and municipal governments should go on a diet- a serious diet.

We will start with the semi-police state that has been developing all around the country. I propose decriminalization of the possession and use of pot. Why waste valuable resources busting someone trying to score some weed? How about looking out for the burglar trying to rob someone's home?

Next, legalize prostitution and get the police out of the strip clubs. If some lonely businessman wants to watch a dancer shake her moneymaker, how does that endanger public safety?

Next, ban entrapment enforcement. Police sending kids in to buy beer or cigarettes is not doing anything of value? Likewise, police roadblocks trolling for revenue in the form of tickets and speed traps should be outlawed. Law enforcement should be about public safety- not revenue generation and citizen harassment.

I contend that most communities could get by with far fewer police if we concentrate on real crime and stop wasting huge resources on nookie, weed and such. BTW- park those patrol cars and walk the streets for a change.

Next, we should shutter the film commissions, industry recruitment and other aspects of all levels of government. Not only should public funds be used to recruit business, no business should not get one thin dime of tax abatement as an incentive- period.

Next, states and local governments need to stop funding the fast growing business of doing studies of dubious value and veracity for exorbitant profits.

Schools
Start by axing the school buses used to shuffle kids from one neighborhood to another. It didn't work, doesn't work, wastes money and time, and can no longer be afforded. Next we can axe the varsity sports programs in favor of intramurals- which will get chunky kids off the bleachers and on the court and tone down the jockocracy at many schools. The money saved by dumping the coaching staff can be applied to additional teachers of real subjects.

There's more- much more...

The Bottom Line
If I buy from Amazon instead of some yokel outfit that doesn't carry what I like at a fair price, how is the local government entitled to ANYTHING. If they think they need more revenue they need to have the guts to ask the voters for a tax increase and I will see you at the polls. If they would spend what they have wisely there would be no shortfall.

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Don't Depend On Taxes You Can't Collect
Posted by: FoonTheElder on Jul 9, 2008 11:31 AM   
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Don't depend on taxes you can't collect. In order to be required to collect sales tax, a company needs a physical connection to the state. If there is no connection, the constitution provides that there is no requirement to collect taxes.

What is supposed to happen is that if someone in Illinois buys something through the mail from a vendor in California, the purchaser is supposed to pay use tax in Illinois.

Of course, no one pays the use tax and Illinois can't afford to send auditors out to every household in the state to try to collect it.

Sales taxes are far more complex than most people believe. For example, every city in Texas has a different combination of state, county, local and special sales and use taxes.

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Need to Understand the Constitution
Posted by: micah26 on Jul 10, 2008 5:00 PM   
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Online retailers have no right to collect sales tax on a person that's not in their state. The states are separate entities with regards to tax laws. Only the federal government would have a right to tax the transaction and they would have to make the tax for a specific purpose for it to be constitutional.

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Might as well double tax across the border purchases
Posted by: micah26 on Jul 10, 2008 5:18 PM   
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According to the same logic, you should charge twice the sales tax if someone drives across the border and purchases an item or if someone is on vacation.
Sales tax is a tax on consumer collected by a company on behalf of the state. If the state has no right to tax me, the company cannot collect the tax.

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