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Let's Party Like It's 1932

By Norman Solomon, AlterNet. Posted April 21, 2008.


Obama has the potential to become as great a president as FDR, while activists have the potential to prompt change comparable to the New Deal.
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Seventy-six years ago, to many ears on the left, Franklin D. Roosevelt sounded way too much like a centrist. True, he was eloquent, and he'd generated enthusiasm in a Democratic base eager to evict Republicans from the White House. But his campaign was moderate -- with policy proposals that didn't indicate he would try to take the country in bold new directions if he won the presidency.

Yet FDR's triumph in 1932 opened the door for progressives. After several years of hitting the Hoover administration's immovable walls, the organizing capacities of labor and other downtrodden constituencies could have major impacts on policy decisions in Washington.

Today, segments of the corporate media have teamed up with the Clinton campaign to attack Barack Obama. Many of the rhetorical weapons used against him in recent weeks -- from invocations of religious faith and guns to flag-pin lapels -- may as well have been ripped from a Karl Rove playbook. The key subtexts have included racial stereotyping and hostility to a populist upsurge.

Do we have a major stake in this fight? Does it really matter whether Hillary Clinton or Obama wins the Democratic nomination? Is it very important to prevent John McCain from moving into the White House?

The answers that make sense to me are yes, yes and yes.

In 1932, there were scant signs that Franklin Delano Roosevelt might become a progressive president. By the summer of that election year, when he accepted the Democratic Party's nomination for president, his "only left-wing statements had been exceedingly vague," according to FDR biographer Frank Freidel.

Just weeks before the 1932 general election, Roosevelt laid out a plan for mandated state unemployment insurance nationwide along with social welfare. Even then, he insisted on remaining what we now call a fiscal conservative. "Obviously he had not faced up to the magnitude of expenditure that his program would involve," Freidel recounts. "Obviously too, he had not in the slightest accepted the views of those who felt that the way out of the Depression was large-scale public spending and deficit financing."

Six days later, on October 19, FDR delivered a speech in Pittsburgh that blasted the federal budget for its "reckless and extravagant" spending. He pledged "to reduce the cost of current federal government operations by 25 percent." And he proclaimed: "I regard reduction in federal spending as one of the most important issues of this campaign." If he'd stuck to such positions, the New Deal would never have happened.

As the fall campaign came to a close, the Nation magazine lamented that "neither of the two great parties, in the midst of the worst depression in our history, has had the intelligence or courage to propose a single fundamental measure that might conceivably put us on the road to recovery." Looking back on the 1932 campaign, Freidel was to comment: "Indeed, in many respects, for all the clash and clamor, Roosevelt and President Hoover had not differed greatly from each other."


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Now Obama's FDR, please shoot me now, shoot me now..!
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Apr 21, 2008 7:41 PM   
Current rating: 2    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Obama will prove to be a disaster for the Democratic party and most likely be the reason for the final fascist nails being banged into America's nearly finished coffin..

FDR..I can't take much more of this stupidity...shoot me now..!

Idiots..

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» FDR and my grandfather Posted by: Forrest
Clinton and Obama
Posted by: progdem on Apr 22, 2008 2:48 AM   
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So FDR ran as a centrist and then moved to the left huh? Does that always happen with democrats who run as centrists? It strikes me as not. Clinton moved right. Carter moved right. Do we have any reason to believe that Obama will be more like FDR than like Clinton or Carter?

No. The reference to Zinn is a good one. The reason the New Deal happened was the same reason that the Progressive era legislation happened. There was a real risk of populist movements taking power and so the sane elements of the elite class decided to compromise. There is no such risk now, giving the weakness of unions and the relative weak showing by activist groups of all sorts.

Obama won't even be decent unless he is pushed. Given the lack of alternative political institutions that push would have to come from within the democratic party. And that is a long wait for a train don't come.

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» 'Left' loyalty to Obama Posted by: fairleft
New Deals come into my P.O. Box every day, with offers like...
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Apr 22, 2008 7:23 AM   
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...10.9% interest. New Deals come from Chase, MasterCard (who's master was that again?), Visa, and the like.

The New Deal brought us one thing: the perception that we can, as a nation, pay now and play later.

The invention of so-called "social security" is an unfunded liability, and gave rise to the notions that unfunded liabilities are just fine and dandy, as long as can perpetually produce an exponentially growing supply of increasingly taxed young workers.

Hence, we have now have two New Deal style national credit card programs--medicare and social security, that already account for 100% of individual and corporate tax receipts, were national accounting required to be done in the same way that corporate accounting is required*.

And so, the nation pays for roads and wars the same way citizens have become accustomed to paying for food, houses, and cars: by borrowing against an increasingly fragile future.

The outcome of the New Deal for our nation is no different than if I responded to Master(me)Card--I would become an individual debtor, no different from the debtor society we have embraced, endorsed, and continue to champion.

Now, I'm not saying social security and medicare are bad things. I'm saying that if we value them, we should find a way to buy them now, rather than charge it to the national credit card (our kids) and/or print more money in the basement.

*As an aside, isn't if funny how in the well-deserved hoopla following post-Enron, post-Worldcom, post-Martha Stewart so-called "financial accountability reform" (SarbOx for those paid attention) era, we really don't--as a country--give a damn how badly our Congresscritters cook their...oh, 'scuse me, OUR books? Has it really come to "Just build my bridge to nowhere, send granny her check, make a perpetual war or two, and tell me everything is fine"? Well, at least we're getting a great interest rate, as long as the Asian banks continue to be true believers.

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» lol, doh! Posted by: ABetterFuture
Obama is..
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Apr 22, 2008 12:16 PM   
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Obama is FDR, JFK, MLK, RFK, Ho Che Minh, Che Guevara, Lao Sze, Gandhi, Dr. Dre, Ray Charles, Duke Ellington, Thomas Jefferson, George Clinton "do fries come with that shake..?", Bobby Darin, Neil Armstrong, Oppenheimer, Einstein, Newton, Peter Pan, Eldridge Cleaver, Mozart, Ralph Nader, Kieth Olbermann, George Washington, Beethoven, Yo Yo Ma, Benjamin Franklin, John Glenn, Mickey Mantle and Willie Mays, Paul Simon, William Simon, Simon Says, Puff Diddy, Constantine, Richard the Lion Hearted, Queen Elizabeth, Bob Dylan, John Lennon, Steven Spielberg, Nostradamus, Kieth Richards, Audie Murphy, Rin Tin Tin, Frankie Valley, Rousseau, Robespierre, Danton, Cab Calloway, Hemingway, Satre, Shakespeare, Otis Redding, Mahalia Jackson, Huck Finn, Malcolm X, Deep Throat, George Armstrong Custer, J.S. Mill, Richard Millhouse Nixon, George S. Patton, BB King , King Tut, Nefertiti, Sun Ra, Dexter Gordon, Miles Davis, Ahmad Jamal, St. Stephen, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Bill Gates, Al Hirt, Stephen Hawking, Sir Galahad, Bugsy Siegel, Abraham Lincoln, John Wilkes Booth, John Lee Hooker, Johnny Carson, John Brown, Long John Baldry, Lord Such, Twiggy, Ethan Allen, Tom Sawyer, Rasputin, Dostoyevsky, Prince Albert, Herb Albert, Jesus, Moses, Zarathustra, Nietzsche, Willie Loman, Clark Kent, John The Baptist, St Francis, Johnny Appleseed, Johnny B. Good..

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» Hilarious! Posted by: 2dogarage
» RE: Hilarious! Posted by: TJ-stars4peace
» RE: Hilarious! Posted by: crazy carlos
Party Pooper.....
Posted by: CatDad on Apr 22, 2008 1:22 PM   
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It's going to take a decade(s) long structural effort on the part of the Left to solve our problems...The solution won't come in the form of any one person...We need our own infrastructure of think tanks and media outlets.

It's horrible to say, but this nation is not going to elect a black president...The only African American who could possibly win is the discredited, uber-suck up to the white power establishment: Colin Powell...but he's not interested.

The corporate elites and their media enablers will not allow credible progressive candidates into the top spot...People like Howard Dean and John Edwards were taken out. Obama has been allowed in to create a bruising catfight in the Democratic Party....to create enough damage to allow McCain to win the election.

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» RE: Party Pooper..... Posted by: hheisey
Terrorist
Posted by: HeKnew on Apr 23, 2008 1:02 AM   
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How about a REALLY new deal?


Direct Democracy

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» RE: Terrorist Posted by: jwhitneywise
January 2009 is coming
Posted by: reinaldok on Apr 23, 2008 3:27 AM   
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I am certain that I am not the only one, truly worried that the present gang, Bush, Cheney and their ilk, will not just go quietly at inauguration time and hand over the reins of government to an Obama or to anyone except a McClain. Are they planning something to keep them in power? Will we really have free and honest elections?

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» You are not the only one. Posted by: KeepsonTickn
» RE: January 2009 is coming Posted by: Dianka
» RE: January 2009 is coming Posted by: dannrusso
» RE: January 2009 is coming Posted by: Quannah
Populist upsurge for FDR?
Posted by: citizenjoe on Apr 23, 2008 4:47 AM   
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OK, Obama and FDR are good guys, but, for Christ sake, they are not populists. The only populism of note in the FDR period was Huey Long's Share the Wealth movement.Populism in the USA is thoroughly anti establishment and mostly rural.The closest thing we have to populism today is rigth-wing fundamentalism e.g. Pat Buchanan. Obama is significant for his anti-racism; populism in America is racist and anti-immigrant. Please get it straight.The abuse of this term today all over the spectrum is very annoying.

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» you are confused Posted by: citizenjoe
» RE: you are confused Posted by: euthyfro
» RE: you are confused Posted by: jwhitneywise
Wait, what?
Posted by: EKSwitaj on Apr 23, 2008 5:21 AM   
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So what I get from this article is that because of the historical moment and (possible) pressure from progressive groups, Obama has the potential to become as great a president as FDR. However, even though making important changes isn't really about the person elected but, rather, about what we as activists do, it is essential that we elect Obama and not Clinton.

This is because of what? His infinitesimally more progressive voting record? Sorry, but I'm just not seeing the logic here.

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» Excellent question- my answer Posted by: citizenjoe
» RE: Wait, what? Posted by: Dianka
Hillary's Political Record's
Posted by: luciennh on Apr 23, 2008 6:47 AM   
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Let us the voters study the congressional records and past history of each of the candidates

running for presidential office.
"Beware of Wolve's in Sheeps clothing". Hillary Clinton will tell you what pleases your ego and put

her arms around your children...but see what she tried to do more than a decade ago, but was

"stopped". Yes, she WILL garnish our paychecks with her Mandatory Healthcare plan. No

Freedom of choice.
Just check the 1996 bill submitted to congress by Hillary Clinton and look who saved all

America's butts, which includes all our children. Please begin your learning experience here:
Hillary Clinton'S Congresional Records
Hillary's Past Records

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Economic Priorities
Posted by: Dianka on Apr 23, 2008 8:04 AM   
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To see where we're going, we've got to look at where we've been. When we don't learn from history, we end up repeating the same mistakes.

It's not how much we're taxed, but how fair those taxes are, and how those tax dollars are used. For the past 30 years, the public wealth has been redistributed, removed from "common good" programs (everything from welfare to schools to roads)and used to create massive wealth for the top 3%. Corporations, not people, became the top priority of government. Pick up a newspaper, or simply look at your window, to see how devastating this has been to the nation.

The reforms of FDR are still hated and fought today, but consider their actual impact: Our economic disparities were reduced to historic lows, America did become the richest nation on Earth, we were leaders in everything from education to industry. The life expectancy of Americans soared (something that reversed following the post-Reagan social policy reforms), higher education and real job skills training were available (creating a highly productive workforce), homelessness became rare, and nearly everyone had a chance to do alright. All of these "failed" programs and policies made us a great world power. Rather than abandoning the poor, as we do today, millions were given the means to become self-supporting, moving their families out of poverty, becoming tax payers, further benefiting the nation as a whole. That's the concept behind "the common good".

Those who have it all never have enough, and Big Business railed against these policies for decades. By the Reagan admin, the strategy used was to portray the poor as living in luxury off the hard work of ordinary people, while harping on about "a culture of dependency". (Never mind that welfare benefits remained below the poverty line, or that some 80% of recipients voluntarily quit welfare in under 5 years.) Big Business wanted this money, and Reagan began moving public funds out of social (common good) programs to cover the costs of corporate "tax relief"...which was used to decimate labor unions, create bottom-wage jobs and, for the most part, move our jobs to Third World nations. "Deregulation" ensured the rapid deterioration of the infrastructure, schools were defunded, etc.

Our nation is, indeed, dying. People are much worse off, and there is little left of "democracy" in this country. We have a shrinking window of opportunity to reverse this. We MUST stop our serial wars of aggression, and reinvest in the American people.

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» RE: Economic Priorities Posted by: CatDad
True Progressive Populist
Posted by: Andie927 on Apr 23, 2008 8:25 AM   
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In the reference of Hightower, Russ Feingold, Amy Goodman, and Greg Palast!

Progressive, refers to not being afraid of New Ideas, and that those with more, or who have benifited more from Our Society, owe more to help others! Populist, refers For the People!
(vs. the Corporation)
I think of Progressive vs. Liberal as being the difference between giving people a Hand Up vs. a Hand Out!

There's a proper time and place, for Corporate Capitalism, Competition: making Cars, Sneakers, A 'PRODUCT' where a consumer has an easy viable choose! Government, by eliminating the middle-0man can do almost everything else better! I can't choose, my power supplier, or what hospital I'm going to by ambulence! Government, limits the number of doctors available, by restricting medical schools, and by restricting the location and number Hospitals in an area! Government, is suppose to prevent Monopolies, or 'price manipulation' by small number of limited suppliers.

I don't get to choose, the air I breath; (or what corporations pollute it,) or my water!

FDR gave people public service jobs, doing projects that served the public good, so they could 'help themselves'. Social Security, is NOT a Government 'hand-out' we contribute to it, It's to ensure that no one's grandmother ends up eating Cat Food! Single-Payer, Non-Profit healthCARE, would ensure that Everyone, can receive essential healthcare! Not plastic surgery, inveto fertilization, or knee replacement so you can play basketball, or jog! Essential Care, so that you can function.

Obama is NO FDR, Kennedy, or MLK! He does NOT come from a 'working class, blue-collar' family! He is NOT Progressive, nor a Populist! His mother, was an anthropolgist, his father graduated from Harvard! I haven't heard any REAL explaination, how he paid for going to three high-priced Occidental, Harvard, and Yale, Ivy-League colleges! I know, student loans didn't cover it all! It's just like what was he doing after he graduated? I've heard, he worked on Wall Street, worked in a law firm, worked as an 'organizer' thru his church, was a college professer?, and was a legistator! No specifics, no dates, why all the mystery?

What I do know is the two times he 'negotiated' deals, one on Illinois Healthcare, and another with a Nuclear Power Co. that was 'dumping wastes, and contaiminating wells'; the People were the loosers, in Both Cases! Obama sided with, and gave the advantage to the Big Corportations, against the best interests of the little mythical people! (Both are now Big doners to his campaign)

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» Are you saying... Posted by: 2dogarage
» RE: True Progressive Populist Posted by: farmer's daughter
Problem here is timing
Posted by: ReallyBearish on Apr 23, 2008 10:46 AM   
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FDR took office in the middle of a financial crisis. The stock market had bottomed just prior to the election, and the banks were failing at a rapid clip. The bottom of the Great Depresssion hit sometime in 1933 at the start of FDR's term (although aftershocks continued, including a recession in 1937, up to the start of WWII).

If Obama is elected, he'll take over at the BEGINNING and not the bottom of the crisis. The subprime mess is the tip of the iceberg. We'll have stock market crash, dollar crisis, hyperinflation, civil unrest, food shortages etc. to deal with in coming years. The hero won't be this year's candidates-- it'll be 2012's candidates. Who ever gets elected becomes the Herbert Hoover of the 21st Century!

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» Poor Herbert! Posted by: 2dogarage
» RE: Poor Herbert! Posted by: Quannah
» Innovative publicity stunt Posted by: 2dogarage
Party On!
Posted by: 2dogarage on Apr 23, 2008 11:13 AM   
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Yeah, let's party like they did in FDR's time!

Maybe if Obama is elected he'll follow Roosevelt's example by doing things like confiscating everyone's gold for the "common good" or provoking Iran into an active altercation (except he wouldn't be able to issue an oil embargo on them like FDR did to the Japanese and anyway Bush might just pull it off before he leaves office...). Then he could imprison all Arab-Americans in camps and freeze all their assets like FDR did to those dirty Japs! He might even try to revive that old "Lend-Lease Act" and arm all of Iran's enemies and maybe even a couple of their friends to the tune of billions of dollars (which in today's terms probably amounts to trillions) without expecting repayment as our nation suffers a depressed economy. The only difference in this case is that we're heading INTO a recession instead of OUT of it, might be a little trickier this time...

He might even be successful where FDR wasn't in packing the supreme court with extra appointees more sympathetic to his agenda, wouldn't that be great?

I certainly hope he expands the warrantless surveillance practices that literally began in FDR's administration with his buddy J. Edgar Hoover. I think Michelle O. would probably appreciate having her phones tapped the way Eleanor's were. And I'm sure she won't mind if he takes another mistress or two and parades them around publicly...

Folks, I hope to GOD Barack Obama is not another FDR. And I wish to GOD that people would stop lionizing this guy. Even this article chronicles how he changed his stripes after he was elected.

Say all you want about his economic reforms but it was the banking establishment (many of whom were his blood-relatives--no pun intended--as were 11 other previous presidents) that created the stock market crash that caused the Great Depression.

His policies expanded government and hurt the honest working person by enrolling them on the tax rolls. Suddenly you had to pay a tax to the government to even exist. It ignored black people completely; the New Deal only widened the race divide and made white people more insufferable. It created a "big daddy" ethic which has become a slippery slope into ownership.

People hate Herbert Hoover but he advocated personal responsibility and fortitude, families taking care of each other and co-operation on a community-level basis as a means to recovery from an event that most people weren't even remotely responsible for and no one person could possibly fix.

Enough of the FDR worship I say! Let's look at history from other angles to find where it really lies.(no pun intended, swear to god, no really I swear.)

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» No FDR worship for you! Posted by: Quannah
hope vs cynicism
Posted by: jjdoggie on Apr 23, 2008 10:51 PM   
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I only read the first few comments. The cynicism is depressing. And cynicism is why you don't understand the author's opinion or Barack Obama. Obama's focus is to CHANGE the way "politics" is done in this country. He realizes that real change cannot happen until people reclaim democracy by investing themselves in it. It is not only electing Obama, but also electing progressives to the Congress -- AND -- we the people have to keep being invested -- a give-and-take of ideas, and a watching of the elected, so that we do not have a repeat of the bush dynasty.
Obama is not perfect, but his ideas and plans give us a better chance at perfecting American ideals than we have had in many, many decades. I feel good to work at a positive change than to just cynically gripe. So sorry that your lives are so shallow that you cannot see the light. I'm sure that those who feel superior in their all-knowing, will pounce, and say that I am drinking the cool-aid (sorry -- here in Texas, it's Margueritas). Before I decided to work for Obama, I read all the candidates' positions and gave money to several. When it got down to Hillary and Barack, I had to make a decison -- and though I wanted to support the first woman President, the decision had to be Obama. It's the difference between old-style backroom politics and a progressive new way of figuring out problems and solutions. She can only think of sending in troops. Barack will negotiate.
Got a little off tangent here, defending my reasoning and feelings about my candidate. Things can be different, if we only IMAGINE them to be, and then work for them. Thanks for listening.

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» RE: hope vs cynicism Posted by: CatDad
Hope: that is the point
Posted by: StoneRiley on Apr 24, 2008 4:45 AM   
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Thanks for re-stating a very major point that got lost during the thread.

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yes, and yes
Posted by: liberalibrarian on Apr 24, 2008 9:12 AM   
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Yes to the post that we really, really did get off track. Yes to the post that I think Obama can be "the one" (with homage to the hilarious post that he is, among other things--Sir Galahad!!)

No to the cynics that say we shouldn't try.
No to the cynics that say we can't elect an African-American President.

No to the cynics.

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But we need a new McGovern and an "aggrarian reformer."
Posted by: riotoustanpdx on Apr 24, 2008 10:11 PM   
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Actually, through experience and connections, Hillary is much closer to the positive possibilities of a New Deal coalition.

Many detractors here on FDR, but there were positive reforms, including social security, the expansion of home-ownership and more financial support for the arts. All of these were very important.

But that is not enough. These times call for a "New Environment" in Washington and the local communities in which we live.

Obama spits on the reforms encouraged by McGovern, to have more primaries that count the vote of each individual rather than caucuses that favor the few with the time to attend. The working people are largely excluded from attending the caucuses.

And he is no reformer either. Change without specific purpose and direction is not positive change, and it is not reform.

The greatest issue of our time is the need to build a New Environment, and that means reforming the practices that have caused us to depend on foreign soils to eat. Soil nutrient depletion is so serious an issue today that no candidate dares to mention that in this campaign, especially Obama. Because he has no clue and no answer.

Reform means going against the interests that enrich his sponsor, Oprah Winfrey, the corporations that prop up her show and all the bloodstained hands connected to those companies. He will never do that.

FDR was a centrist reformer connected to the rich but acting in many ways that benefited the
working poor. Hillary is far more likely to form a coalition to do that than anyone who seeks "change" for its own sake.

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OBAMA IS OBAMA, NOT FDR, JFK, RFK, LINCOLM, MLK
Posted by: fbuzzed on Apr 28, 2008 12:07 AM   
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WHY ARE YOU STILL PUSHING THIS? OBAMA IS OBAMA! Stop trying to run him on others merits. I'm so sick and tired of this. Those people are icons. Obama hasn't done jackshit. They is no next anyone. There is only one, and you need to start letting that sink in. Obama is Obama. End of story.

It's becoming quite clear that you need to attach Obama to some other presidential leader, since the man hasn't done a thing in his life. Stop trying to ride him on the coattails of other people. Let's hear what he ever did. It'll probably take you less than a minute to tell me, but 3 hours to think of something.

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