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Will Clinton and Obama Continue Bush's High-Priced Militarism?

By Robert Scheer, Truthdig. Posted February 6, 2008.


Will your favorite Dem challenge the bloated military budget Bush proposed for 2009?
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Curb your enthusiasm. Even if your favored candidate did well on Super Tuesday, ask yourself if he or she will seriously challenge the bloated military budget that President Bush has proposed for 2009. If not, military spending will rise to a level exceeding any other year since the end of World War II, and there will be precious little left over to improve education and medical research, fight poverty, protect the environment or do anything else a decent person might care about.

You cannot spend well over $700 billion on "national security," running what the White House predicts will be more than $400 billion in annual deficits for the next two years, and yet find the money to improve the quality of life on the home front.

The conventional wisdom espoused by the mass media is that Bush's budget is a lame-duck DOA contrivance, but that assumption is wrong. The 9/11 attacks have been shamefully exploited by the military-industrial complex with bipartisan support to ramp up military expenditures beyond Cold War levels. This irrational spending spree, which accounts for more than half of all federal discretionary spending, is not likely to end with Bush's departure.

Which one of the likely winners from either party would lead the battle to cut the military budget, and where would the winner find support in Congress? Both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama have treated the military budget as sacrosanct with their Senate votes and their campaign rhetoric. Clinton is particularly clear on the record as favoring spending more, not less, on the military.

John McCain, who previously distinguished himself as a deficit hawk and was almost in a class by himself in taking on the rapacious defense contractors, has thrown in the towel with his inane support for staying in Iraq till "victory," even if it should take a century. It is simply illogical to call for fiscal restraint while committing to an open-ended war in Iraq that has already cost upward of $700 billion.

Bush's request for $515.4 billion for the Defense Department doesn't even include the cost of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, which accounted for nearly $200 billion over the last budget year and which will cost at least $140 billion in 2009. Add to those numbers $17.1 billion for the Department of Energy's weapons program and over $40 billion for the Department of Homeland Security and other national security initiatives spread throughout the federal government, and you'll see that my $700-billion figure underestimates the hemorrhaging.

McCain knows, and has frequently stated as a Senate watchdog, that much of the military spending is wastefully superfluous for combating terrorists who lack any but the most rudimentary weapons. Bush totally betrayed his campaign 2000 promise to reshape the post-Cold War U.S. military when he seized upon the 9/11 attack as an opportunity to reverse the "peace dividend" that his father had begun to return to taxpayers. Instead, Bush II ushered in the most profligate underwriting of weapons systems that are grotesquely irrelevant for combating terrorism.

The U.S. already spends more than the rest of the world combined on its military, without a sophisticated enemy in sight. The Bush budget cuts not a single weapons system, including the most expensive ones, those designed to combat a Soviet military that no longer exists. Those sophisticated weapons have nothing to do with combating terrorism and everything to do with jobs and profits that motivate both Democrats and Republicans in Congress.

It is not known whether Osama bin Laden even possesses a rowboat in his naval arsenal, but that won't stop Joe Lieberman from pushing, as is his habit, for an increase in the defense budget to double the funding for the $3.4-billion submarines built in his home state of Connecticut. Nor does the collapse of the old Soviet Union -- and with it the need for enormously expensive stealth aircraft to evade radar systems the Soviets never built -- dissuade congressional supporters of those planes from pushing for more, not less, than Bush is requesting. Nor does wasting an additional $8.9 billion on ICBM missile defense have anything to do with stopping terrorists from smuggling a suitcase nuke into this country.

The centerpiece of the Bush legacy is a "war on terror" based on a vast disconnect between military expenditures and actual national security requirements that the presidential candidates all fully understand. The question is whether the voters and media will force them to face that contradiction or whether we're in for more of the same -- no matter how much the candidates go on about change.

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Robert Scheer is the co-author of The Five Biggest Lies Bush Told Us About Iraq. See more of Robert Scheer at TruthDig.

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I PREFER TO STAY ENTHUSIATIC, THANK YOU
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Feb 6, 2008 3:17 PM   
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There is presently no plan in effect in Iraq. Except to stay, once they've found yet another reason. We can't leave our military without whatever they need to defend themselves and us.Mr. Bush has put everyone's back to the wall. When we have new leadership I believe the world will view us differntly and in a better light. We can then offer a plan to bring our people home and give the Iraqi people back THEIR home, in less than 100 yrs. Thanks, ANNA

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My favorite Dem would!
Posted by: kwalla on Feb 6, 2008 6:25 PM   
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But he dropped out of the race. My 2nd favorite Dem might have, but he dropped out too. I'm not holding my breath on the two we have left.

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» Then Bin Laden has Won ! Posted by: mmckinl
» And he's not even in Iraq! Posted by: sliver
Maybe McCain will, it sounds crazy but it could happen..!
Posted by: TJ-stars4peace on Feb 6, 2008 8:45 PM   
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Ironically it might be McCain who is the one to do just that once he is elected and routes and feels he's destroyed al-Qaeda in Iraq..

Just as it was the super anti-Communist Nixon who could opened China..

We must work towards a Democratic super majority in the Senate over 61 so as to balance McCain out and moderate him and save the country as I think this Obama and Hillary are losing this for us Democrats..

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People ! This about the WHOLE Military Budget ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Feb 7, 2008 12:27 AM   
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People ! This about the WHOLE Military Budget ... Not just Iraq ...

This about all those Cold War Weapons that we don't need anymore yet still pursue at the cost of hundreds of billions of dollars.

What Scheer says , at least to me is that this country must reduce real military spending irregardless of Iraq and Afghanistan ... and indeed he is right and correct.

Sure we must get out of Iraq and wind down in Afghanistan, but also dump those programs that Scheer mentioned and many more so that precious resources can be used to help people not subsidize the Military Industrial Congressional Complex with ever more pork.

Chalmers Johson in a recent article explained why our embrace of militarism has caused nothing but debt and the destruction of our industrial base.

We must invest in ourselves, in our infrastructure and in our education, not those bottomless pits called weapons systems.

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» Economic collapse on its way Posted by: socialpsych
» RE: We? Posted by: Dboy
Think outside the box: Ron Paul
Posted by: JRMJRM77 on Feb 7, 2008 2:59 AM   
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Its time to switch to Ron Paul. Not because he has all the answers but because he does have one really correct position: bring the troops home as soon as possible. And you can be certain nothing would stop him as Commander-in-Chief from doing that. From the beginning he's been trying to get people to understand our pursuit of empire is sending us all to bankruptcy. Once we halt our descent to a bankrupt people we would have the time and the resources to reach a consensus as "We the People" on how best to restore our country and get past all the ridiculous "left" vs. "right" labels.

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» With Edwards and Kucinich gone... Posted by: meetmeineleusis
» RE: "Is there any other option now?" Posted by: oregoncharles
Democrats and Republicans are only one party with two masks
Posted by: leland61 on Feb 7, 2008 3:31 AM   
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The Democrats have thus far demonstrated that the share the same imperial values. Why should we doubt that they do? They all share the same ties to the military-industrial complex. They all walk in the same circles of power.

Bill Clinton was responsible for as many deaths, if not more, around the world as George Bush has been. Bill Clinton bombed Serbia at the behest of the folks who wanted Serbia back inline with the demands of the WTO, IMF, and World Bank.

Bill Clinton bombed the civilain population of Iraq for years using bombs made out of "depleted uranium" which has caused the cancer rates to soar in that poor country.

A pox on both their houses. Will they provide health care for all? Probably not. At least not until a plan, like Hilary's, puts billions of tax dollars into the pockets of the pill makers and the insurance scam artists like Humana, Blue Cross Aetna and all the rest. (BTW this comes from me - and I worked for one of the Blues for 8 years - what a rip off the premium payers put up with.)

There ws only one Democrat who would have struggled with the rich and elite, Kucinich. Anyone with any brain at all knew from the beginning he didn't stand a chance. He was a real Democrat not a phony like Clinton and Obama.

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» RE: So: Now What? Posted by: oregoncharles
Terrorist
Posted by: HeKnew on Feb 7, 2008 3:32 AM   
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War is the life support system that's keeping the US economy alive. Y'wanna know the likelihood that ANY politician is going to have the courage to pull the plug?

Zip-ola, baybay

Government of the people, by the people and for the people.

Direct Democracy

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Will bears continue to shit in the woods?
Posted by: meetmeineleusis on Feb 7, 2008 7:15 AM   
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Will grass continue to be green? Will the sun continue to rise in the morning? Will Nancy Pelosi continue to be a worthless wart of a person? Will Harry Reid continue to be a craven coward? Will the sky still be blue tomorrow?

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» RE: Well, no: Posted by: oregoncharles
Maybe weapons build up for another reason
Posted by: nfamous on Feb 7, 2008 7:35 AM   
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We are building all these weapons not just to make money for corporations. The super-elite actually plan on using them........on US!!! Depopulation is one of their main concerns. They know our way of life is unsustainable with 6.6 billion people on the planet, especially as greedy as Americans are. Of course I could be wrong and they're actually trying to stockpile weapons to defend us from an alien attack from outer or inner space. Until I have proof of the latter I'm going with the former.

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» RE: Maybe weapons build up for another reason Posted by: KeithRichardRadfordJr
Where are the jobs?
Posted by: kerttu on Feb 7, 2008 8:17 AM   
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It's a no brainer to scrap McCain from the support group for the military industry. A 100-year war will take a lot of stuff that can be manufactured in the U.S. and requiers even some amount of skilled labor.
During her 15-35 years of experience Hillary has cultivated iron hard relationships with the military industry's big boys and has benefitted handsomely as is seen by donations she's received from them.
A Clinton in the White House is a double whammy for the military industry as Bill has been/is their true and loyal friend.
Obama is our only hope for something not so friendly. Hope in America has lead to near miracles during our short history.

The only problem is : Where Are The Jobs?

According to some estimates the military industrial complex provides up to 85% of the manufacturing jobs in this country now that all other manufacturing has been moved outside the borders of the US.

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» RE: Where are the jobs? Posted by: oregoncharles
geodahir
Posted by: geodahir on Feb 7, 2008 8:39 AM   
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Scheer states the obvious and knows the answer as well. To be qualified to be president in the US of A, you must be willing to nuke anyone who looks at us sideways. Money is no object when it comes to shock and awe, we love the nice aerial photos of the bomb patterns. We the people lost to the military indust-congressional complex in the early 70's, with the continuation of the Vietnam War slapped in our faces. These blood sucking parasites know only that we have to survive to continue feeding them, and that is the present condition of our dwindling middle class. So everyone should cheer Scheer, so stands as a monument to the endless stupidity of the LA Times. Scheer is one of our top 5-10 op ed writers, this article supports that.

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Huh?
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Feb 7, 2008 8:59 AM   
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Quote:

"The centerpiece of the Bush legacy is a "war on terror" based on a vast disconnect between military expenditures and actual national security requirements that the presidential candidates all fully understand. The question is whether the voters and media will force them to face that contradiction."

Is that supposed to be ironic? The media? Force them to face that contradiction? The media! The very same people who amplified and promoted the shit train of lies about Saddam's WMDs for months in the leadup to the invasion? The media?

How deluded can one get? The media?

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» RE: Huh? Posted by: wagadog
» RE: Huh? Posted by: VZEQICVA
» RE: Huh? Posted by: thoughtcriminal
FYI - THE TIES THAT BIND BUSH
Posted by: foreverhope on Feb 7, 2008 9:32 AM   
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"Proposed U.S. military spending for FY 2008 is larger than military spending by all of the other nations in the world combined.

FY 2008 military spending represents 58 cents out of every dollar spent by the U.S. government on discretionary programs - the items that Congress gets to vote up or down on an annual basis. This means that military spending is more than the combined totals of spending on education, environmental protection, administration of justice, veteran’s benefits, housing assistance, transportation, job training, agriculture, energy, and economic development.


As the poverty rate continues to climb, the FY 2008 budget proposes cuts of $13 billion in non-military related discretionary spending, including cuts of $1.4 billion from the Community Development Block Grant; $436 million from Head Start; $1.1 billion from the Low-Income Energy Assistance Program; $669 million from Special Education; and $111 million from the Child Care and Development Block Grant."


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WHY??????

From 2004:

The arms industry. A new report from the World Policy Institute tracks how this critical sector has exerted influence over administration policies, and how it is " voting with its dollars" in the 2004 campaign.

"These have been boom years for the arms industry, with contracts for the top ten weapons contractors up 75% in the first three years of the Bush administration alone," notes William D. Hartung, the co-author of the study and the director of the Institute’s arms project. "While some of this funding is related to the war in Iraq or the campaign against terrorism, much of it relates to Cold War relics like the F-22 combat aircraft or nuclear attack submarines that have little or no application to the threats we now face or the wars we are now fighting."


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Holy crap! Bush's grandpa was a Nazi!
Posted by: foreverhope on Feb 7, 2008 9:44 AM   
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ahhhhhh....this is a little off topic, but new news to me! Did anyone else know this? I found it this morning! WOW! makes terrible terrifying sense though doesn't it?????


How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power
Ben Aris in Berlin and Duncan Campbell in Washington Saturday September 25, 2004
The Guardian

Rumours of a link between the US first family and the Nazi war machine have circulated for decades. Now the Guardian can reveal how repercussions of events that culminated in action under the Trading with the Enemy Act are still being felt by today's president

George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.
The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.

His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave labourers at Auschwitz and to a hum of pre-election controversy."


Read more:

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» RE: Prescott Posted by: Dboy
What about the title of the article
Posted by: djgrae on Feb 7, 2008 2:44 PM   
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I know that Bush's military spending is retarded, so thanks for not answering whether Obama and Clinton will do anything to address it I know that Hillary is a Hawk in Dove's clothing, and I doubt that Obama is any different. I am jumping on the Obama train because he is a real person. However, the question of getting a grip on this defense budget is HUGE and as for now, unanswered.

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It is all about fear
Posted by: leemiller38 on Feb 7, 2008 9:43 PM   
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Americans are apparently willing to borrow money to spend on military weapons that we either don't need or that no one in their right mind would ever use. Part of it is the military industrial system that buys politicians, but partly it is Americans seem to be such a fearful people. They are apparently hind-brain folks. This despite having had very little in the way of calamities landing on our shores except for the civil war. Certainly nothing on the scale of violent warfare suffered by Europeans, Africans and Asians in the past 100 years and prior. Why are we such an afraid people?

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RE: She DID Vote For The War & Why She & Obama are Shills For It
Posted by: OrwellMan on Feb 8, 2008 12:30 AM   
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Your outlook is extremely naive and that isn't just about a deplorable two-faced Billary-Obama voting record.

Most "terrorists" were created after a false Afghanistan / Iraq War and in its obscene genocidal aftermath.

"war on terror" is fraudulent as CIA asset Osama Bin Laden (now dead as Bhutto confirmed) otherwise known as "Tim Osman" who represented a Saudi and U.S. front.

Take a look here for a start and get deprogrammed:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7718

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=
viewArticle&code=CHO20060909&articleId=3194

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An Aging Radical on Race and Politics
Posted by: nihilozero on Feb 8, 2008 6:44 AM   
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An Aging Radical on Race and Politics

I don't write much these days. Formerly I wrote quite a bit about
radical politics and social transformation, but I've grown weary of
that practice and it never really seemed to amount to much anyway. In
my experience it's often thankless work if you're promoting
revolutionary changes because there aren't that many who can truly
appreciate radical ideas. And, even if some do appreciate the ideas,
they usually couldn't help you in many ways even if they were so
inclined. Anti-materialistic philosophy often effects the choices
people make in their lives (in terms of acquiring and dispersing even
the most fundamental necessities). And these days a guaranteed home
and food supply, to say nothing of ample leisure, is often considered
something of a luxury. The progress of the civilized world has led us
to a place of slums and hundreds of millions being severely
malnourished. I could, and will, go on highlighting the serious
shortcomings of the modern global system -- but that's just a backdrop
to the ideas I will be trying to develop in this article.

This is difficult for me because I am loathe to discuss the topics of
the title which relentlessly cause so much stress, in so many ways, in
so many lives. I think these things are important to consider and
thoughtful consideration is still something that I have a bit of
respect for. So I am going to present some ideas here which will
inevitably be received as somewhat controversial by so many backwards
regressive types who run roughshod over everyone and everything they
can. Controversy is not my goal. Neither is addressing the criticism
of small corrupted minds. Once again... it's thoughtful consideration
which I hope to engage in, and possibly inspire, to some degree. If I
could make these ideas into single soundbite or a pill which you could
pop for enlightenment, I would -- but I am not Fox News or Pfizer.
These ideas are best presented with a well developed background and
so, as wildly as the world is spinning out of control, I'm not going
to rush what I have to say. If you don't have the attention span to
take a few minutes to consider these subjects (about which some of you
might even fancy yourselves as experts), then you are possibly part of
the problem. And I don't herein present myself as infallible, but I
will try here to be honest and, again, only hope to make some of us
think a bit. The tone of this article will be blunt, casual, and
frank -- it's the only way I can write it.

RACE

Like many Americans, I have very limited knowledge about my racial or
ethnic history. I know that I am pale and ate at McDonald's as
child. If people feel they can or can't trust me because of these
things, I can understand the conditioning that would lead to that
narrowmindedness. But to provide a background of my own experience,
here are the specifics that I know about my own personal ethnic/racial
makeup... One grandfather claimed his relatives came from a country
between France and Germany which no longer exists. Obviously this
doesn't tell me much and, frankly, I'm not sure where he's talking
about or if he had any real clue himself. He and his family were
farmers in Arkansas, perhaps cotton-pickers like ... complete article concludes here: http://raceandpolitics.notlong.com/

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Will Clinton and Obama Continue Bush's High-Priced Militarism?
Posted by: Ipsi Dixit on Feb 8, 2008 7:48 AM   
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What a stupid question - of course they will, that's what they are there for: to do the bidding of the multi-nationals, not least among them oil and gas. An American president who did otherwise wouldn't be president in the first place.

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Turn a "change" current to "unchange"
Posted by: kathaksung on Feb 8, 2008 5:59 PM   
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Turn a "change" current to "unchange" (1/30/08)

Demo and GOP are the two puppets of Feds in domestic. Bin Laden is the puppet abroad. All three are tools of the inside group.

Puppet Demo and puppet GOP competes to give more money and power to DOD and DOJ. Bush gave more, he gave Feds Patriot Act and warrantless evaesdropping and fat budget and Mid-east wars, so he is awarded two terms of president.

Puppet Bin Laden acted as a whip to hit the people. When people are hurt, they give up their civil rights and money and power to DOD and DOJ. That's why Bin Laden can never been captured. When government is (either GOP or Demo) authorized a police power or military fund, they need Bin Laden's Al Qaida to help to push it.

The leading candidates of two parties, John McCain and Hillary Clinton, were early prominent supporters of the Iraq War. When the mainstream public opinion is to change the status quo, these status quo remains unchange. So Bush's spirit will succeeded by a new president. The three puppets show will go on in stage. And another war in Mid-east - Iran war, is at sight.

This is how the Inside group skillfully carry out their policy by a twisted election system.
This is a covert totalitarian country. They select president by rigged election. (They control the voting office by intelligence) and justify the result by fake poll. (They manipulate public opinion by media)

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Preselected Candidates are the Only Option
Posted by: cbishopp on Feb 10, 2008 9:21 AM   
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At this point it is safe to say that long after Bush leaves the presidency the effect of his office will linger. They have done a lot of work over the past eight years and it will take AHELLOFALOT MORE than a new president to rid all corners of our government of it's pestilence.
The treasury has been looted and those who respect only wealth and power have seized our recources and they are not going to return them willingly. They will continue to use your wealth against you while telling you it's for your own good.
This infection of ethics has spread to the Defense Department, Congress, the Judicial System, the private sector, the FBI, the Pentagon, and on and on.
We have defense contractors based in Dubai that are poised to buy up nursing homes
for the aging baby boomers.
We have senators and congressman who block efforts to develope already available technology that will get us off oil forever.
We have promoters of war that have no depth of heart or character waiting in the wings for inevitable profit.
This place is crazy. I enjoy capitalism but are we mature enough to engage in it's practice?

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