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Ron Paul for President?

By Sean Gonsalves, AlterNet. Posted June 11, 2007.


I feel such gratitude toward Congressman Ron Paul for his comments during the Republican presidential debate that I just might vote for the guy. You sure as hell don't hear Democrats talking like that.
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A belated, Texas - sized, Ten - Gallon Hats - off to Congressman Ron Paul. I still haven't gotten over what he said during the Republican presidential debate in South Carolina a few weeks back on live TV!

When he was asked if he really wanted the troops to come home, Paul pointed to the BIG elephant in the elephant party tent. (The GOP tent has several elephants, and a few 800-pound gorillas too, but I digress).

Paul provided a quick GOP history lesson for dummies, reminding his uncomfortable audience that "the conservative wing of the Republican Party always advocated a noninterventionist foreign policy."

He reminded them about Taft's objection to joining NATO; about Bush campaigning in 2000 espousing "a humble foreign policy - no nation-building, no policing of the world;" about Republicans being elected to end the Korean and Vietnam Wars; about the "strong tradition" of anti-war Republicanism going back to the Founders' non-interventionist ideas.

The predictable paranoiac -- I mean, "patriotic"- question followed. But didn't 9/11 "change everything?"

Sounding like one of those "blame - America - first, wacko Leftists," Paul said U.S. foreign policy was a "major contributing factor" to 9/11. "Have you ever read the reasons they attacked us? They attacked us because we've been over there; we've been bombing Iraq for 10 years."

"We're building an embassy in Iraq that's bigger than the Vatican," plus 14 other permanent bases in the Middle East. "What would we say here if China was doing this in our country or in the Gulf of Mexico? We would be objecting. We need to look at what we do from the perspective of what would happen if somebody else did it to us." (After hearing that, I imagined Dick Cheney asking one of his staffers to send his "dear friend Ron" an invitation to go bird hunting.)

Ron went Professor Chalmers Johnson on 'em. In fact, Johnson, author of Blowback: The Costs and Consequences of American Empire, just the other day told the Institute for Public Accuracy:

"Bin Laden attacked us in 1993, 1995, 1998 and 2000. Throughout that period, and again just after 9/11, he stated his motivations: the 'infidel' presence on the Arabian peninsula, the economic sanctions on Iraq that took the lives of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children in the 1990s and our support for Israeli expansionism."

Whenever you drop Chalmers - like observations on true believers you get asked questions like Paul did. Are you suggesting we invited the attacks?

"I'm suggesting that we listen to the people who attacked us and the reason they did it, and they are delighted that we're over there because Osama bin Laden has said, 'I am glad you're over on our sand because we can target you so much easier,'" was Paul's answer.

And that's when Ring Master Rudi Guiliani pulled the curtain back so the circus audience could be introduced to Blowback, the Great American Elephant. With a straight - face, Guiliani says: "That's really an extraordinary statement ... as someone who lived through the attack of September 11, that we invited the attack because we were attacking Iraq. I don't think I've heard that before, and I've heard some pretty absurd explanations for September 11th."

Small-time columnists like me writing about the genocidal impacts of Iraqi sanctions over and over again going back to 1995 aside, Guiliani played the role well, whip in hand -- meaning: he was either lying or exhibiting a severe case cognitive dissonance -- denying even the possibility of what the CIA (and "wacko leftists") call "blowback." Ron Paul: "I believe very sincerely that the CIA is correct when they teach and talk about blowback" -- the 1953 "regime change" operation in Iran, for example.

"If we think that we can do what we want around the world and not incite hatred, then we have a problem. They don't come here to attack us because we're rich and we're free. They come and they attack us because we're over there. I mean, what would we think if we were - if other foreign countries were doing that to us?"

I feel such gratitude toward the Distinguished Gentleman from Texas for his words alone that I just might vote for guy -- as a write-in, of course. You sure as hell don't hear Democrats talking like that, other than Dennis Kucinich whose been given the short - guy - with - big - ears treatment by the "liberal" media and therefore doesn't have a snowball's chance, unless ...

... the real conservatives stand up. And then maybe, just maybe, "progressives" and "conservatives" could get together to effect "regime change" in Washington. OK, now I'm getting carried away. Anyways, thanks Ron.

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The truth and the Constitution....
Posted by: Michael Boldin on Jun 11, 2007 12:13 PM   
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It's high-time that there's a politician on either side that holds the Constitution as the strict guide for government in this country.

The constitution is not just a mere suggestion. It's the law.

We've allowed politicians to "bend the rules" for far too long. When you do that, eventually you'll get politicians that feel the rules don't apply to them at all.

Bush is just the awful, but logical, progression of decades and decades of Constitutional violations from our government.

It's time to turn that around. Could Ron Paul be the one that can help us do that?

As far as the war, his message is quite clear - it's not America's role, nor is it Constitutionally authorized, to be basing our military in 120+ nations, backing coups, propping up dictators with foreign aid, and waging foreign wars.

This country will only be safe and prosperous when we no longer use force and aggression as a tool of foreign policy.

Some follow up reading if you're interested:

"A Foreign Policy for America"
http://www.populistamerica.com/a_foreign_policy_for_america

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Not just an anti-war Republican
Posted by: Illiteratilumen on Jun 11, 2007 12:19 PM   
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I appreciate the coverage Alternet is giving Ron Paul but it is a rather shallow examination of the candidate. His anti-war stance is, in my opinion, quite unremarkable. He just followed the Constitution throughout the buildup to the war, nothing more, nothing less. It is certainly commendable but it is the type of behavior that should be automatic from our representatives.

I would really like to see more coverage on Ron Paul's positions on some very important issues, specifically his ideas on civil liberties and his ideas on monetary policy. They are radically different from any other candidate and the American people deserve to hear them. Americans should hear that there is another way for a monetary system to work. Most Americans don't even know what the Federal Reserve even is because the question of whether or not we should even have it isn't being discussed. Americans should hear his position on legislation like the Military Commissions Act, the REAL ID proposals and similar legislation that affects our liberties.

I'm really excited that so many liberals and Democrats are giving consideration to Ron Paul but I don't think much thought is given to him beyond his anti-war stance. Ron Paul has some fantastic ideas about the very nature of government that all Americans should consider. Dr. Paul is founding-father material, a once-in-a-lifetime sort of leader.

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» RE: Not just an anti-war Republican Posted by: poppop_schell
» pfffft - crackpot Jacksonian economics Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma
» RE: Not just an anti-war Republican Posted by: Understand2008
A more complete view of Ron Paul
Posted by: Philip Barron on Jun 11, 2007 1:57 PM   
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Mr. Gonsalves may wish to temper his praise for Ron Paul after having read an extensive set of Daily Kos diaries on the Texan representative. The diarist, phenry, warns well-meaning liberals impressed with Paul's views on Iraq that they aren't seeing the whole man, and that Paul is in fact "a vicious, contemptible racist who comforts the radical right wing like no presidential candidate since David Duke."

These are strong words, but the diarist makes a compelling case, the more so because he relies on Paul's own spoken and published statements. I highly recommend these diaries to both ordinary citizens and the press.

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Well?
Posted by: WhatNow? on Jun 11, 2007 2:45 PM   
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"I still haven't gotten over what he said during the Republican presidential debate in South Carolina a few weeks back on live TV!"

He also said, "We need a great president like ronald reagan." Can you believe that crap? A libertarian 1988 presidential nominee thinks reagan was great? What an idiot!

Ron Paul is not even true to libertarian ideals. Reagan was anathema to a real libertarian. Reagan made the graph of our national debt go exponential. At his election 10% of the budget went to interest payments on the national debt, at the end of his sham of a presidency those interest payments were doubled to 20%. He always funded the DOD more than health and human service. King george ,the bush one, never even did that. Reagan wasted probably more than $100 billion dollars on a fascist/nazi war on drugs. What kind of libertarian would think such things come from a great president? Fuck Ron Paul!!

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Ron Paul Is The Best The Republican Party Can Offer
Posted by: hole11 on Jun 11, 2007 3:06 PM   
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He's the only one that seems up to date about 9/11. Maybe he would change back to being libertarian once he is elected.

I haven't heard anything close from Democrats. If anyone from New York makes it to the presidency I think I will leave the country.

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Does Anyone Believe The Ideal
Posted by: dlf on Jun 11, 2007 7:21 PM   
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candidate exist? Because they don't, even Kennedy had holes in him. In recent times even Clinton sold us out with NAFTA. You have to go all the way back to FDR to find a populist president who made a difference in all Americans lives. But again there was the issue of housing, and how the FED made it illegal for Blacks to buy homes in places like Levittown, NY. It's early yet, and we have a lot to learn about many who have entered the field. I'm sure if Paul has skeletons in his closet they will come out soon enough.

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Pay Attention
Posted by: rtfsqn on Jun 12, 2007 4:51 AM   
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"I feel such gratitude toward Congressman Ron Paul for his comments during the Republican presidential debate that I just might vote for the guy. You sure as hell don't hear Democrats talking like that."

Why is the mainstream media and even forums such as this ignoring Dennis Kucinich? Pay attention.

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he is also anti-abortion
Posted by: okcamp on Jun 12, 2007 7:05 AM   
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so he won't be getting MY vote

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Ron Paul for President
Posted by: pfm on Jun 12, 2007 7:36 AM   
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There is some comfort to hear Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich speak as both appear to resonate, at least for me, from a relative position of truth. Truth is a commodity sorely lacking with the current crop of “wantabe” candidates vying for President from either political party. To have a President irrespective of political affiliation whom one can “trust” to put forth what is true for him in an honorable fashion would be a most refreshing change from the machinations of most of our contemporary President’s. Whether in our highly polarized political environment “we” can see our way clear to heed voices of reason, remains to be determined. Though possibly unrealistic, I remain ever optimistic “we” will see, hear and react accordingly.

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» RE: on Paul for President Posted by: angelatc
A MUST SEE on youtube
Posted by: Maggieb on Jun 12, 2007 11:36 AM   
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Type in....what presidential candidate are part of cfr &nau

If this doesn't scare the shit out of you nothing will. Ron Paul is the only candidate willing to stop this new world order. This apparantly was on c-span yesterday.

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Sean, you'd VOTE for that guy?!
Posted by: DaBear on Jun 12, 2007 3:46 PM   
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Are you insane? He's a white supremacist! I'm in favor of speaking truth to numbskulls with power as much as the next guy, but when jackboots have momentary lapses in blather and say things I agree with, I'm careful enough not to piss away my vote on a fascist in progressive costume. Sean, get a clue, dude, quick.

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» Straight from the article you linked... Posted by: Illiteratilumen
He's still a Conservative
Posted by: opeluboy on Jun 12, 2007 5:16 PM   
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Sure, Paul's antiwar position is encouraging, but nothing surprising for a Conservative Libertarian. He's a non-interventionist — and that's a good thing. But he would also love to abolish Medicare, deregulate almost anything that could be deregulated and probably shitcan Social Security.

Yes, he would legalize pot. But he also believes in rampant, unrestrained capitalism so pot might even cost more than it does now.

My suggestion for those who want a true antiwar, or more importantly a pro-peace candidate, send Kucinich a few bucks.

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» No, I'm not confused. Posted by: justaguy
» RE: No, I'm not confused. Posted by: k_the_c
One Person Can't Save Our System....
Posted by: CatDad on Jun 12, 2007 10:22 PM   
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Not Ron Paul, John Edwards nor Hillary...so don't bother looking for a "savior." After being bitterly disillusioned by the Democrats on key issues of "free trade" and the Iraq War after the last election, the only ray of hope I see is to start with the public funding of elections...It's the only way to get the corporations out of the political system...Everything must start here. Change won't come from the top down but rather from the bottom up by our efforts to reform our corrupt pay-for-play political system.

Ron Paul would be torn to pieces by the corporate-controlled political and media infrastructure as it currently exists.

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4.5
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Jun 13, 2007 3:05 AM   
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"Conservative" has become a dirty word through abuse. One reason I try to avoid using it to describe members of the regime is that it seems unfair to the tiny handful of real conservatives out there.

I don't know enough about Ron Paul to say he's one of them, but I like this article because it addresses the distinction, and also sticks it to all the Democrats who claim to be the alternative, but never talk outside the box.

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On roosting chickens -- and Rosalie Sorrels
Posted by: hagwind on Jun 13, 2007 4:30 AM   
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What a relief to read such words in print: "I'm suggesting that we listen to the people who attacked us and the reason they did it . . ." My immediate reaction to 9/11 (after I got over the shock) was "Chickens come home to roost." In the wake of 9/11, there was a flurry of "Why do they hate us?" stories in the U.S. mass media, but it seems many of "us" prefer to blame 9/11 (etc.) on the alleged cussedness of Arabs, the theological backwardness of Islam, etc., etc. -- anything to avoid looking at what's being done in our names. The ideological contortions that have resulted -- like the Bushies excoriating Islam for its views on women -- make for pretty good slapstick, but that gets old fast.

Rudy Giuliani's response is predictable, but interesting too: "That's really an extraordinary statement ... that we invited the attack because we were attacking Iraq. I don't think I've heard that before, and I've heard some pretty absurd explanations for September 11th." Remind you of anything? Subconsciously at least, Giuliani is trying to put himself, and by extension the U.S., in the position of women who are accused of "inviting" rape or other abuse. Trouble is, he's cast the U.S. in the wrong role. The U.S. is the guy in the Rosalie Sorrels story who beats his wife and then goes to bed. Finally the wife gets sick of it and whacks him with a 2-by-4 as soon as he falls asleep. Of course he beats her for that, but he has to sleep sometime, and when he does, she whacks him again with the 2-by-4. Finally he gets it through his head that it's only safe to go to sleep if he doesn't beat her up first. He's not exactly asking to be whacked, but he's living in a dreamworld if he expects to get away with his crap forever.

I doubt I could bring myself to vote for anyone who's beholden to the Republican Party as currently constituted -- I'm not sure about the Democrats either -- but I'm glad Ron Paul is putting these ideas out there. They're important.

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Ron Paul Has Changed My Mind...Kind Of....
Posted by: dezertlady71 on Jun 13, 2007 9:46 AM   
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I am a registered Independent voter who was set to vote Democratic, but cannot get behind the Dems on the Immigration bill. I don't support their feelings on it.
Ron Paul was articulate, intelligent, and would be the one that I would vote for, but I have to do more research on him.
You can bet I will have that figured out come election day !

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JOIN THE RONPAULFORUMS.COM AND LET YOUR VOICE BE HEARD. THIS IS A TRUE GRASSROOTS CAMPAIGN
Posted by: poppop_schell on Jun 14, 2007 10:14 AM   
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There are forums on subjects, your state group, and you can create your own subjcet/group. Great place to hangout for anyone who wants to have our Constitution once again by the law of the land.

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SAD TO SEE THE KOOL-AID DRINKERS TAKING OVER HERE...
Posted by: Quannah on Jun 15, 2007 3:35 PM   
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at AlterNet. Libertarian Schmibertarian. Constitutionalist Schmonstitutionalist! He is only one man, that is if you can get past the fact that Ron Paul will NEVER BE THE PRESIDENT IN 2008! Wake up and smell whatever it is you need to smell, and I have a clue what it is when I read the crap you guys write.

Republicans invading AlterNet as if it were the freakin' DrudgeReport or something! What is the world coming to??? He IS running as a Republican! Do you realize this?
WTF???
Oy Vey!

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Another Sop to the Trailer Trash Morons. I'd like to See Y'all starving after he makes unions
Posted by: yellow on Jun 16, 2007 1:43 PM   
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illegal, eliminates most taxes and the minimum wage, and guts social security and the rest of the social safety net. You crackers call a socialist like me an "elitist" but I can tell you that a man who wants government by,of and for the very rich like Ron Paul is the real elitist. I know y'all fell off the same s**t wagon because Y'all use the very same political lexicon like elitist, fiat money, and other buzz words and phrases.

Guys like Ron Paul like to deceivingly tell people that most of the federal budget is going to social security and medicare without saying that billions have been paid into special funds as premiums for that very purpose. He would like to take those funds and give 'em over to wall street to gamble with. He also is asking growing numbers of working poor to pay for their own retirement and health care by gambling away what little savings they have in the stock market. Guys like Paul hate Social Security, the most successful federal program in history, because it keeps millions of seniors out of poverty and because it is redistributive giving most of the working poor a decent return on their money while giving very little to the rich who have other financial means. R. Paul sees this as an unfair subsidy to the poor. Socialists like myself see rising labor productivity and steadily falling average real wages since 1980 as a subsidy to the rich. The capitalist system consolidates and concentrates the economy and wealth while pushing workers' real income down. As recently as 2005, about 25% of the national labor force, or just under 30 million workers, earned an average of less than $7.50/hour. Many of them were in "white collar" positions and over 90% were non-union. Today's poor person is typically a low wage worker, not a welfare recipient as in the old days. This is the locus of poverty not the federal government of the central banking system. According to the US Census, the proportion of poor at or below half the poverty line has gone from about one third thirty years ago to close to 45% today and is likely increasing.

Socialists want to address this problem head on with better wages and redistribution. Populist reactionaries like Ron Paul want to keep redistributing society's wealth ever upward with his free market fundamentalism. What don't the crackers get?

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Hal you are an anti-semite with very low intelligence and a liar to boot.
Posted by: yellow on Jun 17, 2007 1:05 AM   
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The 1837 Panic and resulting depression was the direct result of Jackson's policies. A depression in the UK results in the withdrawl of UK investment and lowered demand for US cotton exports. Other than this the UK is uninvolved. The UK government restricted the flow of specie to the US not to harm the US but because of economic conditions in england and because of the fear that US currency was inflated. The UK was more responding to the crash in the US than caused it. Before the panic purchases of US exports were at record levels. It seemed that the Bank of England reacted to the already existing panic thus aggravating but not creating it. In the late 1830s UK exports of goods and money to the US returned.

Jackson created the "specie circular" in 1836 by executive order in response to the land speculation generated by the opening of western lands by the Indian Removal Act which generated a flurry of investment in land and railway and other infrastucture to serve growing communities out west. Concern about a land market bubble generated speculation which Jackson thought would create inflation and devalue "soft" US currency. Land values boomed all over the country. In the 1820s total annual land sales averaged about $1.3 million. In 1830, land sales exceeded $2.3 million. By 1835 land sales were around $15 million and the following year in which Jackson's specie circular appeared total US land sales neared $25 million.

There was an enormous fear that overall inflationary conditions would be created by the land "bubble" driven by growth driven land speculation. Jackson thus declared that land had to be bought in specie. The US Treasury ceased to accept bank notes and accepted only specie in payment for new public lands. This led to a panic as local banks recalled loans when they couldn't redeem paper money in specie. A system that was inherently inflationary was worsened by Jackson's specie circular. Sudden numerous defaults occured by those with no access to specie and many local banks were ruined causing a major contraction of activity and runs on the banks. Beginning in 1834 there were excessive issuing of bank notes in circulation generated by land speculation. This came to a grinding halt in 1837.

The US financial system was inherently unstable with the central bank (BUS) not functioning as a central issuer of currency and accepting locally issued currencies as payment. Also the ratio of specie to paper was low from the very beginning in 1817, about 5%. Instability and crisis seemed inevitable. The panic in 1837 seemed to be brought on by greedy speculators not Europeans of any sort.

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Conservative and liberal - terms that are meaningless and always have been
Posted by: omnivore on Jun 17, 2007 10:30 PM   
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Being called/calling someone a liberal or conservative is like calling someone mother -f or bastard sob. Clean up your language, people. Imagine trying to explain colors to people who see only black and white. That's how I feel whenever I hear people speak about politics and issues of the day regarding labour, healthcare, taxes, social norms, religion, faith v. reason, marginalized populations and communities. These terms are meaningless. Even the word 'liberalism' or 'libertarianism' is meaningless. Yes, I know what it means as a rationale from a capitalist perspective and how it is different from a political aspect. Notice I didn't say "the political wing." Well, if you can acknowledge that being conservative is merely an aspect of socio-political-economic belief, (and one's own view of history through this shifting filter, )which is not necessarily contrary, but complimentary to liberalism (or even 'libertarianism' as a political belief, and not necessarily an agenda), then there is hope that we can all see constructive aspects of our compliments.
C'mon people. We've come a long way from being bipedal hominids. The key is to maintain a standard of dignity and respect...all together. The solutions to today's problems are internal in nature. Its outward expressions are our false "dis-integrated" beliefs made real. And the more we reinforce the belief that life is merely material, we lose our dignity and settle for the scramble.
Fuck that, friends. We can do better. I say put Kucinich and Paul on the same ticket, let 'em arm wrestle for who gets to be pres & vp.
And when that's settled, let's all vote for them and re-write the Constitution. You read it here. I think the Constitution is fundamentally flawed and should be updated, as well as every state and municipal law regarding corporate privileges, tax law, political monies, and social welfare. I believe that the Supreme Court shouldn't be held for life. That was just a way for the Executive branch's administration to have lasting socio-eco-political (and necessarily, at this point, historical) effects. The Constitution was never intended to bring about rapid social change. It was cunningly written with the intent of delaying social change as long as possible, for the framers were leery of the population commanding their own destiny. They were intent in securing their material ends in a harsh environment (in their eyes.) "Tyranny of the masses," hostile savages, "coloreds," and non-whites. Women. And they call this place the land of the free, home of the brave?
What did the early settlers fear, then? Why did they break every treaty ever made with NAs? Is it brave to commit genocide and not honour God's creations? Is that a sign of bravery or cowardice?
This is not an attack on the individuals charged with carrying out their duties. Jesus once said, "we are merely useless servants,' and I think he was stating the fact that we merely respond to the immediate environment,data presented before us, and our false beliefs which fracture us, at the time. If white people of our early America knew that other colored branches of our human family were just like they are, just different in appearance, we wouldn't be in this mess. Think about why every effort is made in mainstream media today to define what is black & white. (Explicit for black and implicit for white.)
There is no excuse for that level of ignorance. This applies to our gay brethren as well. I think what they do is gross, but I will die for someone's right to live as they themselves see fit. They are no less holy. As a Universalist and an Aetheist, I both believe in God and I don't believe in "Him". More like We are All part of "It." And killing won't even separate us. It just reinforces the illusion that we are separate(d) beings. Don't believe the hype. There is no "race," just genetic adaptations of the human genome to Earth's diverse environments.

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