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Wikipedia Activism

By Annalee Newitz, AlterNet. Posted June 5, 2007.


Who is to say what is notable enough for Wikipedia? Lutheran ministers? Bisexual Marxists? Hopefully both.
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When I edit Wikipedia, I am fighting for the future. There are certain things and people whose memories I want preserved for generations to come so that curious searchers a century from now will know the full story. Via Wikipedia, they will get more than stories of great politicians and giant corporations from glossy histories. I want this user-edited, online encyclopedia to tell tales of the brave and the marginal as well as the notorious and the powerful. That's why I've become a Wikipedia activist.

For years I was a passive reader of Wikipedia, particularly entries on obscure technology and pop culture. I think of Wikipedia as the first place to go when I'm researching something off the beaten track, like early episodes of Doctor Who or technical specs for the outputs on DVR players.

Last week, however, I finally shed my Wikipedia passivity and started editing entries myself. I hit a personal tipping point.

I was writing a profile about a novelist for an online magazine and discovered that this author's Wikipedia biography page had been summarily deleted the week before on the grounds that it wasn't notable enough. I had previously visited his entry early in my research because it contained a fairly complete list of everything he'd written. To make matters worse, when I read the history of the deletion, it turned out to have been done by a guy who knew absolutely nothing about this novelist's areas of expertise. The deleter was a big contributor to Wikipedia, it's true -- but only on the topic of religion, particularly Lutheranism. How could that background possibly grant him the authority to determine whether a postmodern novelist and video game designer was notable or not?

So I signed up for a Wikipedia account and re-created this novelist's entry from the Google cache and sources I'd gathered while writing the profile. I also wrote an explanation to the deleter, requesting that he not do it again.

And then, while I was at it, I re-created another entry recently deleted for not being notable enough -- that of Sonia Greene, a pulp fiction writer and publisher of the 1920s who was briefly married to H.P. Lovecraft. Of all the insulting things to have happen, her entry had been erased, and people searching for her were redirected to an entry on Lovecraft. How's that for you, future scholars? Looking for information about a minor pulp fiction writer? Too bad she's not notable -- but we can redirect you to an entry on a guy she was married to for two years. (A guy, I might add, who pissed her off so much that she burned all his letters when they divorced.) Yuck.

My experiences have made me strongly question the idea of "notableness" on Wikipedia. I am genuinely offended by the notion that obscure authors, technologies, ideas and events should be deleted from what's supposed to be a vast compendium of knowledge. It's not as if Wikipedia is running out of disk space and needs to delete stuff to keep going. And it's not as if an entry on an obscure writer will somehow undermine somebody's ability to search for less obscure ones.

Besides, who is to say what is notable or not? Lutheran ministers? Bisexual Marxists? Hopefully both. For me, the utopianism of Wikipedia comes from its status as a truly democratic people's encyclopedia -- nothing is too minor to be in it. Everything should be noteworthy, as long as it is true and primary sources are listed. If we take this position, we avoid the mistakes of 19th-century chroniclers, who kept little information about women and people of color in archives because, of course, those groups were hardly notable. Yet now historians and curious people bang their heads against walls because so much history was lost to those deletions.

If the goal is to preserve knowledge, we shouldn't be wasting our time determining what's notable enough to stay in Wikipedia. Instead, we should be preserving in a searchable form everything that’s truthful, so the culture and history of the minor and the obscure can be remembered just as easily as those of the famous and the mighty.

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Annalee Newitz is a surly media nerd who is going to re-create Danah Boyd's entry if you try to delete it again, you bastards.

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Even Wales has done it.
Posted by: lamar on Jun 5, 2007 1:03 PM   
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Reason Magazine recently did a story on Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales. Curiously, there is nothing in the story about "non-notable" authors being removed. The article makes it seem like "vandalism" is a rare occurrence. Of course, it notes that Wales himself was guilty of taking liberties and deleting the entry on an adversary. Guess this type of dubious deleting isn't rare.

And, oh yeah, you say another bad thing about HP Lovecraft and I'll summon Cthulu....

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It Isn't Just Wikipedia
Posted by: hole11 on Jun 5, 2007 1:26 PM   
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Open a book. Any book. Tons of information has been edited or not written because it wasn't notable enough to have a mention.

Individuals are being pushed aside for the corporate citizen. If you don't have licenses, tax returns, and a religion that bows down to it's corporate god you don't exist or will be swept under the rug to be stomped on by numerous boots. The rug makes it easier for them not to look at our faces.

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wakipedia
Posted by: elisabeth on Jun 5, 2007 7:43 PM   
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The thing that concerns me about Wikipedia is its accuracy. I was recently researching local schools in my area for a history project and I came across Lone Peak High School, the only school in my area on the wik. Someone put in as a joke, "Highest teen pregnancy rate in the Nation." I live in Highland Utah, ok? Teen pregnancies are virtually non-existent. The LDS community does a pretty good job keeping their children unpregnant. And, they encourage them to marry before or in college so unwanted pregnancies are reduced.

Point is, who checks wikipedia for accuracy anyway?

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» RE: wakipedia Posted by: jangte
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» RE: wakipedia Posted by: Asses of Evil
I agree totally.
Posted by: medstudgeek on Jun 6, 2007 6:04 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I'm pretty sick of this myself. If they are out of space on their servers they should just say so. They might consider a two-tiered system for what sorts of articles can have pictures if space is an issue, but text occupies so little space there's no reason not to have an article on the President's housekeeper's cousin.

Besides, Sonia Greene isn't exactly unimportant. At least we could see if she had any effect on Lovecraft's writing; while you may be just baiting the nerds among us by calling Lovecraft 'a minor pulp author', in terms of his effects on popular culture (which Wikipedia remains the best source for) he's quite major. He's a major influence on the horror field, and lots of geek culture is full of references to the Cthulhu Mythos he spawned. C'mon, countless books, movies, and even a relatively popular roleplaying game...

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» Minor correction Posted by: McJulie
» Whoops, you're right! Posted by: medstudgeek
» RE: I agree totally. Posted by: techphile
wiki activism
Posted by: karyse on Jun 6, 2007 7:06 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I use wikipedia as a starting point on a regular basis for information that is (at least on the surface) non controversial. I avoid using it for any topic that someone may have an interest in seriously slanting (except for getting the external links). Be forewarned, however, that it is surprising how many topics ARE controversial to someone.

Since I am a critical thinker/reader it is fairly easy for me to make the determination of slant and correct for it -- I used to regularly edit entries to correct slant. I gave it up after realizing that there are people who do nothing with their time online but revert any editing back to the version they prefer even if "their" version is poorly written and makes little sense. As an example, and without going into too much detail, in the entry for "Semeiotic" (Charles Sanders Peirce) the entry includes: "...set up by a convention of men or a decree of God." There are two errors herein. The first is that it appears a group of men got together to decide upon it -- had a convention, the second is "decree of God"???? Uh, what?

I'll bet a dime to a donut, someone has tried to fix this (as I did in other, similar cases a number of times) and low and behold, it comes baaaaaack!

So, on some levels I love wikipedia, but I use it with caution. I was researching the difference between adult stem cells and embryonic stem cells as it concerns usefulness to science -- I found exactly what I needed at an .edu cite, skipping wikipedia as a matter of course.

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Information Democracy
Posted by: LoveYourEnemies on Jun 6, 2007 7:30 AM   
Current rating: 4    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I understand that Wikipedia should be used to start an investigation or to satiate an idle curiosity. HOWEVER, this is one of our only means of ensuring the democratization of information.

No one, and I mean NO ONE, has the right to delete information just because THEY don't think it's notable. So, then it would be okay for me (a non-Lutheran, ex-Fundamentalist Christian) to delete Martin Luther because I no longer find him notable?

It is up to us, the Wikipedians, to ensure that this nonsense doesn't happen. We must maintain our vigilance in this area. We cannot become lazy, complacent and over-entertained as we have been. We can already see the results of that with what has happened in the last seven years.

This is not a question about "accuracy" or "credibility". This is about democracy. Every voice (from the fanatical religious right-winger to the fanatical atheistic left-winger) should be heard. Then it is up to us to determine if the voice is reasonable or not. But we should NEVER stop the voice.

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Wiki-versy
Posted by: DaBear on Jun 6, 2007 11:33 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
I too use Wikipedia for that all important jump-off point. Especially for the so-called obscure topics or persons. Recently there was a piece on Alternet about the chicks who spun off a wiki on female scifi writers or something of the like and I found the fact that wikipedia was ditching really critical stuff from the site extremely irritating. I would rather have more info not less... when it comes to the Chimp page (Bush the younger), personally I want to see the nasty crap right up there alongside the empirical and the propaganda (positive stuff) too. That's important because most of the time the real juice to history and record is in the discourse not in the "facts."

I also like wikipedia because it gives my kids a place to start when they have trouble searching and I don't have to turn on the damned filtering software (that I haven't figured out how to use... plus the ethical dilemma I'm having over that whole shield the child from the world shit, I know I'm the worst parent ever because my kidss play Halo for fucks sake, and yes, I cuss right in front of them--my daughter tells her friends I was a long shoreman, LOL). The BIG fun was trying to get a history of Tibet and holy shitstorms, batman, the level of writing on that was downright looney. Written so poorly we couldn't make head or tail of what happened prior to the 1930's in Tibet. Then the Chinese government bullshit dominates the entries that are linked... it was a brilliant example of why Wikipedia cannot be a sole source of info. 29 hours of research later, I was convinced I'd hounded down the very last dregs of information along a full continuum of thought on Tibetan history and my daughter ended up talking with an ex-monk down the road anyway. Still, somehow entering corrections into Wikipedia means you have to be notable... I was declined access routinely and never bothered to go back. But since I know now that Annalee is there, I'll go too.

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Completely agree and commented to the Wikipedia policy page
Posted by: bkengland on Jun 10, 2007 5:07 PM   
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As follows:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Deletion_policy
An opinion column appeared this week in Silicon Valley Metro by Annalee Newitz, wherein she bemoaned Wikipedia's allowing entries to be deleted for having no "notable" value. I completely agree with her comments, and I was very taken aback by the policy, given that what has no value to one person might have great value to another. As far as I'm concerned, once a person, place, or thing enters the public arena, even if it's something as minor as a third-base player for the 1919 Boston Red Sox, or the Mayor of Portland in 1934, and someone has taken the time to draft the entry, it should not be removed simply because somebody else doesn't agree that it has value. You can find Annalee's article at [http://www.alternet.org/columnists/story/53200/].

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