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Men Are Not Men

By Annalee Newitz, AlterNet. Posted February 26, 2007.


A Stanford graduate student "proved" that men in online virtual worlds behave just like men in real life. But do they really?
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A couple weeks ago I gave a presentation at the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science about how journalists often misreport the results of gender research because they have a lot of preconceived notions about men and women. Most of these notions come from popular culture, and since journalists are in the pop culture biz, none of this should be a big surprise.

Still, sometimes a story is so egregiously reported -- and based on such flimsy research -- that it takes my breath away. Such was the case with a recent Associated Press story about how a Stanford graduate student had proven that men in online virtual worlds behave just like men in real life.

The story focused on a study by Nick Yee, who entered the virtual world Second Life (SL) to examine the behavior of avatars, or online representations of people. SL is an experimental virtual world where many avatars don't have a gender. Many SL avatars are animals or fairies or geometric objects.

Nevertheless, Yee wanted to prove that men in SL act the same way psychologists say they do in real life. A few studies have shown that two men talking, on average, stand farther away from each other than women do. Yee postulated that you would see similar behaviors among male avatars in SL. By recording the interactions between several male and female avatars in various combinations, he and his research crew determined that male avatars do indeed tend to stand farther away from other male avatars than female avatars do.

Thus, the AP headline crowing "Virtual Men Also Keep Distance." Ah yes, everybody loves it when science confirms their stereotypes. Even the New York Times jumped on the bandwagon, covering the study uncritically, as if it made perfect sense that men would always be men, even in a virtual space.

I was, however, extremely skeptical. First of all, as I mentioned earlier, SL is already unlike the real world in that people can pick their gender (or lack thereof). My avatar in SL is a Hapa boy with blue hair. In real life, I am a white girl with brown hair. If I were truly reflecting my alleged real-life behavior, my avatar should act like a woman since I am a woman in real life.

I wrote to Yee and asked what he thought. He replied, "We are suggesting that male avatars, regardless of whether they are being controlled by male or female users, follow the social norms of men. This point isn't elaborated in the paper because we didn't have the right kind of data to prove this one way or another." Too bad that the AP thought he did have the data to prove that and reported it as such.

What Yee really discovered is that avatars don't reflect social norms at all: women are acting male and vice-versa. This, I can tell you from experience, would not be viewed as the social norm in real life. Moreover, Yee admits in his scientific paper that he and his researchers basically had to guess at the genders of the avatars they met, since it's hard to tell with many avatars. Are you getting the picture here? It's a classic example of researchers imposing their preconceptions onto a culture that doesn't conform to their norms.

Upon encountering a society of many genders, where nongendering is part of the norm, Yee and his crew still attempted to figure out a way to find "real world" gendered behavior. It's like Margaret Mead's work, only worse because we should know better.

Basically all Yee did was go into a virtual world whose gender norms were hard to understand, and try to find ways that it reflected gender norms he did understand. He imposed his own notion of male and female onto avatars who are often neither. And he topped it off by trying to map real-life body language onto the clunky movements of digital representations. Are you surprised that Yee found exactly what he wanted to prove? No, I'm not either.

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Annalee Newitz (annalee@techsploitation.com) is a surly media nerd who doesn't appreciate anthropologists coming around and trying to make her world just like theirs.

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Men Are Not Men
Posted by: freeda'all on Feb 26, 2007 7:31 PM   
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...and Annelee Newitz continues to twist somethings out of nothings. Even if Yee did or did not do what Newitz thinks he wanted to do that does not mean that Newitz can then infer her own results from his work.

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» RE: Men Are Not Men Posted by: oregoncharles
» RE: Men Are Not Men Posted by: evopsycho
The problem is two-fold:
Posted by: ABetterFuture on Feb 26, 2007 8:36 PM   
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Yee wanted to prove that men in SL act the same way psychologists say they do in real life.

The first mistake: listening to someone who claims to present science as something they set out to prove. Science is best done much more objectively, or not at all.

The second mistake: assuming that a graduate student in psychology understands even the most basic concepts of hypothesis-driven research.

Granted, it's not easy to do ethical, hypothesis-driven research on people. It is, however, comparatively easy to write a small app that will measure and log the distance between rendered graphical features on a computer in real-time. So, in this case, both the method and the author's bias contribute to the data and we are ultimately left discussing a variant of Heisenberg's Principle as it applies to the "study" of e-psychology (or, i-Psychology, if you're one of teh new, new, newb hipsters)

But golly. If only all our dissertations could be so straightforward...

...erm, except then we'd have lots of folks doing science like it was psychology...or something.

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» RE: The problem is two-fold: Posted by: jnleareth
» RE: The problem is two-fold: Posted by: ABetterFuture
» RE: The problem is two-fold: Posted by: evopsycho
What the crap does this have to do with anything?
Posted by: questionthemark1 on Feb 27, 2007 5:17 AM   
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No, seriously. I can't find a shred of importance here, and I find gender issues important. I just don't see any gender significance (or other significance) in this story at all.

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» Reporting! Posted by: ssmit355
» RE: eporting! Posted by: techphile
Ana Lee your avatar
Posted by: jwg on Feb 27, 2007 7:20 AM   
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does look like you in black and white. I think your sexual orientation is showing.

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Web Studies
Posted by: Donna_Darko on Feb 27, 2007 9:20 AM   
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by David Gauntlett of www.theory.org.uk said something similar. That the internet can obscure parts of your identity (such as gender, sexuality, race) while playing up your authenticity in other areas (such as saying what you really think, being intellectual online in areas you aren't offline).

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Article is fine
Posted by: lamar on Feb 27, 2007 9:34 AM   
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Everyone is hung up on the gender issue, but I see this as a timely story on how the media inserts its own biases into the stories it covers. Given that Annalee reports on tech crap, and there is a major nexus between tech crap and pseudo-scientific headlines, I say the article is fair. What I find especially troubling is that the people who performed the study apparently didn't even make the claim that the newspapers reported.

I guess this raises the question: how much are people swayed on scientific issues by big media? Given that this country is ultra religious, I assume the NY Times doesn't exert a critical level of control. The question is whether anybody believes the science pages anymore.

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wow...
Posted by: deelightful on Feb 27, 2007 9:52 AM   
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what a homophobic statement. how sad that someone would take the time to comment only to make a jab at someone's (perceived) sexual orientation. if she were to write about something other than gender roles would her "sexual orientation [still be] showing"?

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Sexual Identity Ain't All It's Wrapped Up to Be
Posted by: Catiline on Feb 27, 2007 11:05 AM   
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Contrary to many of the comments on this page, I think this article and the comments by Ms Newitz are dead on. First, she points out that the popular press has got the story all wrong (all too common these days), and that their interpretation of a scholarly study was far too shallow. Then, that on top of that, the original research was grossly flawed in both its science and its fundamental logic.

The popular press, through a combination of laziness and internal bias, missed the point that, in fact, when we are freed from the traditional mandates regarding sexuality that our culture imposes upon us, gender roles really just don’t seem that important to us, and that our minds can in fact adapt to diverse roles.

In fact, I think that if we ever become truly flexible with our biological sexuality, (perhaps through advanced technology that enables us to switch between being a male and being a female), we may find that, after all, it’s just sex.

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Now just imagine...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Feb 27, 2007 11:11 AM   
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Just imagine if this research had been done... about women, rather than men.

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» RE: Now just imagine... Posted by: lamar
» Uh, you mean besides the fact... Posted by: JoshuaLudd
totally astute critique
Posted by: ladyoracle on Feb 27, 2007 11:40 AM   
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This is an example I will use with my student of how assumptions get in the way of interpreting data.

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» RE: totally astute critique Posted by: evopsycho
they have games online?!
Posted by: DaBear on Feb 27, 2007 2:52 PM   
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Thanks, AN! Keep goin' and gittin' 'em, grrl.

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Well....
Posted by: talkville on Feb 28, 2007 1:40 AM   
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Did that intrepid student using all that iq and electricity even check if the avatars ate virtual quiche?? He seemed quite devoted to pursuing knowledge that's going to change our world!

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» RE: Well.... Posted by: techphile
Proved? Since when do single published papers prove anything?
Posted by: evopsycho on Mar 19, 2007 11:44 PM   
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Why are you accusing this grad student of claiming to have proved something? No serious researcher would ever think that a single published study proves anything at all. So right off the bat you're starting with a straw man argument.

Which makes the rest of your analysis suspect -- did the paper actually seek to prove anything at all, or was it simply a presentation of data? The author of the paper said to you outright that they measured male avatar behavior and compared it to male human meatspace behavior and found it parallel. So what if you know that a percentage of male avatars have female creators. How does that change the data one iota?

And even if the author of the study tried to "prove" that this means men behave online the way they do in person, your pointing out that "some" male avatars have female creators doesn't necessarily change that conclusion at all. One would have to to first measure the number of cross-gender avatars online, and then do a statistical analysis.

No, your sexual orientation isn't showing, but your knee-jerk reaction to trounce on the mere presense of data you dislike is.

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