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Post-Election Etiquette

By Molly Ivins, AlterNet. Posted November 9, 2006.


The Democrats won this election because we are involved in a disastrous war. We know how to do this: Declare victory, and go home.
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The sheer pleasure of getting lessons in etiquette from Karl Rove and the right-wing media passeth all understanding. Ever since 1994, the Republican Party has gone after Democrats with the frenzy of a foaming mad dog. There was the impeachment of Bill Clinton, not to mention the trashing of both Clinton and his wife -- accused of everything from selling drugs to murder -- all orchestrated by that paragon of manners, Tom DeLay.

Media Matters collected some gems of fairness. For instance, Monica Crowley with MSNBC, in the wake of John Kerry's botched program, astutely observed "how lucky we are that he was not elected president. ... The Republicans remain the grown-ups, the responsible ones on national security."

How many dead Americans has this grown-up war resulted in?

And how darling of Fox's Juan Williams, upon learning polls show the people favor Democrats on taxes, to say, "To me, that's crazy."

And how many times did Chris Matthews use the Republican talking points about Nancy Pelosi? Extremist, uncooperative, incapable, unwilling to work with the president.

So after 12 years of tolerating lying, cheating and corruption, the press is prepared to lecture Democrats on how to behave with bipartisan manners.

Given Bush's record with the truth, this bipartisanship sounds like a bad idea on its face. Go back to the first year of the administration, when Bush double-crossed Ted Kennedy in the No Child Left Behind Act. Think about it: You've said at the outset of your administration that you need cooperation to get anything done. Then you double-cross one of the senior senators of the other party when your re-education and labor agenda is dependent on him?

These people are not only dishonest -- they're not even smart. Not that I recommend nailing them at every turn, but I wouldn't be surprised if they try to do it to Democrats. If what Republicans have been practicing is bipartisanship, West Texas just flooded.

O.K., here's what the D's have going for them. New kids. Easy, popular first moves -- for example, increasing the minimum wage. Republicans so inept that it's painful. You want to look at some really, really basic legislation, try fixing the Medicare prescription drug bill. Or the bankruptcy bill. Or new dollar and trade policies.

Then we get to the real meat of this election. There are all manner of shuffle steps and politically shrewd thing for the D's to do. But now is not the time to be clever. The Democrats won this election because we are involved in a disastrous war. We know how to do this: Declare victory, and go home.

I noticed when Republicans are forced to talk about how to end this, they tend to announce that it's all hopeless: They have no ideas at all. Thanks, guys. Of all the options, I would say splitting Iraq into three states is least advisable. First, it puts us in the position of screwing the Kurds once again. Second, Turkey has serious objections to a Kurdistan. Third, Turkey is not a militia. Fourth, it gives Iran and Saudi Arabia a pawn apiece. And there'd be an unimaginable amount of future hassle.

Do I have any good ideas? Yes, but it's not a solution. We need to start the Middle East peace process again. Because it's the right thing to do. Because it's what Bush should have done to begin with. Because we have to start somewhere.

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Middle East Peace Process.....
Posted by: Conservasaurus on Nov 9, 2006 11:34 AM   
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nice thoughts and idea..minimum wage etc..etc.. but the main issue here, not once mentioned in the article, is terrorism.. its WHY we are over there. In any case.. the dems, while not having veto power etc are in a much better position to drive decisions.. if they can't come up with a plan to secure America against terrorism and get out of Iraq.. who cares about the small issues....

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» RE: Middle East Peace Process..... Posted by: peacemongermom
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» We're never leaving Iraq! Posted by: vangogh69
» RE: Middle East Peace Process..... Posted by: Herestratus
What we really need is a "Danny Glover"...
Posted by: ~Fiona~ on Nov 9, 2006 12:40 PM   
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Throughout this administration we have time and again been beaten over the heads with "Presidential Authority"... Its been used for everything from orchastrating the slaughter of more than 600 thousand Iraqis to wiretapping every citizen of the United States and yet we hear it again... "Presidential Authority"...

In one of the "Leathal Weapon" movies (famous for the combination of Mel Gibson and Danny Glover , but I don't remember which one it was) they were constantly confronted with a similar tack when dealing with a death merchant from South Africa who was very fond of reminding them of his "Diplomatic Immunity"... He never failed to use this cheap trick right up until Danny Glover declared, "Just been revolked..."

Now, I am not suggesting Danny Glover's particular method of revocation, but I do believe it is time to revolk the unlawful powers given this president from a rubber stamp government and finally hold him accountable... Too many cheeks have already been slapped when trying to deal with this crew, its time to return the favor.

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» **smiles** Posted by: ~Fiona~
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» PLEASE TELL ME WHERE THIS Posted by: ~Fiona~
Iraq? Who needs it?
Posted by: NowhereToTurn on Nov 9, 2006 1:19 PM   
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Molly, I don't understand your comment about the Kurds. Far from "screwing" them, the Kurds have been pushing for their own state for longer than I've been alive. Kurdistan. Clearly the Turks won't like it, but tough, Turkey.

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» RE: Iraq? Who needs it? Posted by: KevinHayden
» RE: Iraq? Who needs it? Posted by: kmeyer
The best path out of Iraq
Posted by: KevinHayden on Nov 9, 2006 11:08 PM   
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Is through Afghanistan. Among things we should try:

1) Implore Nelson Mandela to go to Iraq for a privately arranged meeting with the Prime Minister, al-Sistani and al-Sadr. Send former Senator James Abourezk as the US rep to that meeting.

2) Mandela would explain his Truth Commission approach that avoided the long-feared slaughter of the white minority by the black majority. It would be suggested as a model the Shias might consider toward the Sunnis they despise because of those that supported Saddam.

3) A federal government with a partitioning like we have with our US states, BUT it would HAVE TO permit different groups to move across each border as we can do here and to buy property and live in any region based on common real estate and home-siting practices. More simply, the partitioning would wall off no group from the other and the regions would have elected governments like our states do, each granting overriding power to the federal one.

4) Abourezk would offer some starting point model of a way that oil revenues could be shared, so the oil-poor Sunni regions would have an ongoing means of sustenance. In return for a truce, a revenue sharing arrangement, and a commitment to expel outside fighters, they'd get:

a) a commitment of US dollars for reconstruction over several years.

b) a commitment of Saudi funds for similar purposes.

c) a phased withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, contingent on performance goals.

d) a formal public apology to the civilians of Iraq for the missteps that caused so much bloodshed, and an admission that our use of torture was wrong.

e) if the truce holds over the course of two years, the US would initiate the process of gaining Iraq a seat at the UN and the pledge of additinal funds for the purpose of luring foreign investment in business opprtunities there.

That's just a rough sketch of options that should be considered as starting points, and the possible players to the deal.

And as troops rotate from Iraq back to this country, fresh troops would cycle back into Afghanistan, so we can bolster NATO efforts to re-secure that country from the Taliban troops threatening it, and deal with the unfinished tasks there, driving Al Qaida back to the Pakistan border.

A process that essentially buys agreements from Iraq's existing power brokers, that grants sustenance and reconstruction to all sides of the conflict - except the foreign fighters - that includes an admission of wrongdoing that's widely apparent to the world at large, with reparation payments to Iraqis in the form of funds to build hospitals, schools and places of worship (distinctly separate from other reconstruction funds)...... would appeal to the self-interests of each broker and the humility provided by the apology would help restore a moral voice to the process.

At the conclusion of the multi-year deal, Iraq would have full autonomy guaranteed for one concession: no support for any terror organization and a public renunciation of al-Qaida specifically proclaimed.

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» Great post! Posted by: Diego
» Any plan to handle Iraq... Posted by: stormchilde1975
somewhere
Posted by: rsaxto on Nov 10, 2006 12:19 AM   
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Yes, we do have to start somewhere. The ball is in Nancy Pelosi's court - where will she start?

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She's right again
Posted by: charlesfrith on Nov 10, 2006 2:03 AM   
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Molly is on the money. Without the Middle East Peace Process there is no solution in Iraq. It's time to squeeze Israel to stop slaughtering the Lebanese and the Palestinians. Right now, there is no justice. That needs to change.

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Post Election Reality Check
Posted by: Chevaliere on Nov 10, 2006 4:28 AM   
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So you think "the system worked", democracy has won out, and that yesterday's election is the first step to straightening out the mess Bush and the Neocons have made on the planet?

Think again. It's not that "the system" didn't work; it worked very well, but you have again been duped.

Nothing has changed. In fact, many of you have been put back to sleep by the staged Democratic victory which was set up just for that purpose; to make you think you still live in a democracy. The fact is, the Zionist halter is as firmly strapped on the head of American State policy as it ever was, and the American voter needs to realize that it is immaterial which party prevails at elections.

Read and weep:
Post Election Reality Check

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Is impeachment "off the table" for you too, Molly?
Posted by: VannaLaRoche on Nov 10, 2006 5:28 AM   
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I hope not. "Impeachment" has suddenly become a word that makes Democrats scratch their heads.

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northoftheborder
Posted by: tomabe on Nov 10, 2006 6:34 AM   
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There is an excellent article by George McGovern in the september 2006 Harpers outlining a strategy for withdrawal from Iraq. Good luck America - We're really glad you're on the road back!

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Before All The Rest
Posted by: NoPCZone on Nov 10, 2006 7:19 AM   
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I see posts and hear people on the radio talking as if the Democrats are already in the majority. I hate to rain on your parade, but the bad old GOP controlled Congress is alive and well through the end of the year and they intend to make the most of the opportunity.

By the time Dubya had met with Ms Pelosi he had already met with Congressional GOP leadership and started plotting what they are going to ram through. This includes a domestic spying bill, designed to give cover for the illegal sh*t they have been doing all along, much like they passed the Military Commissions bill to cover illegal actions at Guantanamo.

Without keen oversight thy will push through a bunch of egregious bills. Until they turn out the lights in December they can do a lot of harm.

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» RE: Before All The Rest Posted by: AdamG
» RE: Before All The Rest Posted by: sprachenlehrer
Hold up a sec, Molly, I think you're missing something
Posted by: DaBear on Nov 10, 2006 9:28 AM   
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Okay, I'm truly confused here. We've admitted that the Junta isn't capable of cooperation or consensus. But we're going to do some little easy work first --with the criminal element still present, and in a position to veto all that easy work (you don't have enough votes to override a veto--go look at the math).

Lessee, another way to look at this is, we've just been given a shovel and we face a 10 ft high 5 ft thick concrete wall extending in both directions over the horizon. That lil ole shovel is gonna make some headway to getting us past that wall?! The shovel is what you use AFTER a jackhammer!

... come on, Ms. Molly, how is this so hard to comprehend?

Impeachment now, everything else is just bandaids over bleeding stumps. You can't have "democracy" without justice and you can't have justice when you're partnered to the perpetrators of the crime.

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Let Iraq decide
Posted by: cny39316 on Nov 10, 2006 10:03 AM   
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Two of our stated objectives were to overthrow Saddam and to bring democracy to the middle east. We have accomplished the first. Now for the democracy part...

Why don't we just let Iraq put a referrendum to the Iraqi people on whether they want us to go or stay. Word it something like: A) Americans go immediately or B) Americas stay indefinitely. I have little doubt they would choose option A. So now we have succeeded at bringing democracy to Iraq. We can go home now.

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» Here we go again... Posted by: vangogh69
» BEST IDEA I EVER HEARD Posted by: LtL
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BREAKING NEWS: SOME DEMOCRATS PLANNING TO UNDERMINE TRADE REFORM !!!!
Posted by: SDres11 on Nov 10, 2006 7:21 PM   
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Top Dem Announces “Grand Bargain” to Undermine Election Mandate on Trade
So let’s see - Democrats win Congress by using a strong opposition to lobbyist-written trade policies as a key way to gain ground among traditionally conservative voters. As USA Today noted, fighting our current trade policy “especially helped Democrats woo voters in traditionally Republican rural areas. Yet now, just three days after the election, we read this in the New York Times:

“Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, who could soon become the head of the Financial Services Committee, said he and other Democrats who have been advising Ms. Pelosi are planning to propose a ‘’grand bargain'’ with business interests. If business groups support the Democrats’ efforts to increase the minimum wage, extend student loans and expand affordable housing programs, Mr. Frank said, then the Democrats would support efforts to reduce trade barriers and burdensome regulation. ‘We are liberal internationalists,’ Mr. Frank said. ‘Businesses know they have an interest in working with us.’”

Barney Frank has done some great, courageous and commendable work on trying to regulate exorbitant CEO pay packages and on economic inequality in general. But make no mistake about it: “reduced trade barriers” is political language for continuing our current trade policy that includes no basic protections for labor, environmental or human rights - a trade policy that sells out both American and foreign workers and has exacerbated the economic inequality that Frank himself has focused on.

This doesn’t sound like a “grand bargain” - it sounds like laying the groundwork for selling out just a few days after an election where a major mandate for change on trade was very clear (just read Public Citizen’s incredible new report, and you will see how clear this message really was across the country). Look, no one wants “high” trade barriers - but this kind This is why, as I have said before, the fight only began on November 7th. Making sure the new Congress stays true to what it was elected on is going to be a major battle. There are many Democratic staffers-turned-corporate-lobbyists running to reporters bragging about how much influence they will have now - influence that will be used to make sure the election’s mandate on issues like trade is ignored in the new Congress. It is up to us to make sure it isn’t.

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WE MUST CHANGE THE WAY AMERICA WORKS
Posted by: bonzo2_2 on Nov 10, 2006 9:36 PM   
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Ercilia Sandoval is one of the people in this country who did exactly what she was supposed to do. She worked hard every day sweeping floors, cleaning toilets, and taking out the garbage in some of Houston's most elegant office buildings. She is willing to work hard to raise her two girls. She tried to save what she could, but on a little more than $5 an hour, it's hard to find enough money to pay the bills. Then she was diagnosed with breast cancer. Ercilia was already a fighter and a leader among her co-workers, but she was probably going to die. And her problem was that she was having problems with her health over a long period of time, but she couldn't afford to go to the doctor, couldn't afford to get healthcare and is now worried about what this means for her kids, and her work is dedicated to all the mothers in Houston, Texas, who are janitors, who she never wants to have live through the same thing. She happens to be on the Glamour magazine website right now, she's up for nomination as one of the five women of the year for Glamour.

I wrote this book because people like Ercilia should not work a day and be poor in the richest country on the face of the Earth, and certainly not to be dying in this country because they're poor. I wrote this book because I love this country, and I think America is a gift. Its greatest gift is this: people have come here from all over the world, and all they expected to do was work hard. And what they hoped was that their work would be rewarded. What they dreamed about was that their kids were going to do better than they were. That was the American Dream. And despite a civil war, two world wars, recessions, depressions, the American Dream has survived. Until now. Fifty-two percent of all parents say that their kids are going to be worse off than they are. And the facts now are beginning to bear that out. That's not the America I want; I don't think that's the America we all need. I wrote this book because I think there are answers all around us. But in order to get to the answers, we have to understand the context of the discussion.

This is not our fathers' and grandfathers' economy. We've gone from an economy that's 9-to-5 to 24/7. We're living through the third economic revolution in the history of the world: the first was the agricultural revolution, which took 3,000 years; second was the industrial revolution, which took 300 years; this revolution is going to take 30 years. As we move from a national to an international economy, from muscle- to mind-work, no generation of people has ever witnessed so much change in a single lifetime. This revolution is televised, it's Googlized, it's digitized, it's in your face, on your screen, 24/7. It is relentless and it's unending and is far from over. But it's not our fathers' and grandfathers' economy. The amount of transistors that were produced this year in the world was greater than the number of grains of rice that were grown. The Furby -- that kids' toy -- has four times the computing power of the Apollo spaceship that landed on the Moon. The world is going to send 84 billion emails today. In the late 1980s, there was no such thing as email.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FREEDOMSFORUM/message/81568

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uuumm Ms Molly, El Paso WAS flooded.
Posted by: brotherjonah on Jan 13, 2007 4:20 PM   
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It amazed me too. But I do know the expression. Probably some yankee wouldn't but I do at least. Just don't go predicting anything else that catastrophic, okay? Your predictions are coming true.

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