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The Idiocy Behind the '9/11 Truth' Movement

By Matt Taibbi, RollingStone.com. Posted September 26, 2006.


Why the "9/11 Truth" movement makes the Left Behind series read like Shakespeare.
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A few weeks ago I wrote a column on the anniversary of 9/11 that offhandedly dismissed 9/11 conspiracy theorists as "clinically insane." I expected a little bit of heat in response, but nothing could have prepared me for the deluge of fuck-you mail that I actually got. Apparently every third person in the United States thinks George Bush was behind the 9/11 attacks.

" You're just another MSM-whore left gatekeeper paid off by corporate America," said one writer. "What you do isn't journalism at all, you dick," said another. "You're the one who's clinically insane," barked a third, before educating me on the supposed anomalies of physics involved with the collapse of WTC-7.

I have two basic gripes with the 9/11 Truth movement. The first is that it gives supporters of Bush an excuse to dismiss critics of this administration. I have no doubt that every time one of those Loose Change dickwads opens his mouth, a Republican somewhere picks up five votes. In fact, if there were any conspiracy here, I'd be far more inclined to believe that this whole movement was cooked up by Karl Rove as a kind of mass cyber-provocation, along the lines of Gordon Liddy hiring hippie peace protesters to piss in the lobbies of hotels where campaign reporters were staying.

Secondly, it's bad enough that people in this country think Tim Lahaye is a prophet and Sean Hannity is an objective newsman. But if large numbers of people in this country can swallow 9/11 conspiracy theory without puking, all hope is lost. Our best hope is that the Japanese take pity on us and allow us to serve as industrial slaves in their future empire, farming sushi rice and assembling robot toys.

I don't have the space here to address every single reason why 9/11 conspiracy theory is so shamefully stupid, so I'll have to be content with just one point: 9/11 Truth is the lowest form of conspiracy theory, because it doesn't offer an affirmative theory of the crime.

Forget for a minute all those internet tales about inexplicable skyscraper fires, strange holes in the ground at Shanksville, and mysterious flight manifestoes. What is the theory of the crime, according to the 9/11 Truth movement?

Strikingly, there is no obvious answer to that question, since for all the many articles about "Able Danger" and the witnesses who heard explosions at Ground Zero, there is not -- at least not that I could find -- a single document anywhere that lays out a single, concrete theory of what happened, who ordered what and when they ordered it, and why. There obviously is such a theory, but it has to be pieced together by implication, by paying attention to the various assertions of 9/11 lore (the towers were mined, the Pentagon was really hit by a cruise missile, etc.) and then assembling them later on into one single story. But the funny thing is, when you put together all of those disparate theories, you get the dumbest story since Roman Polanski's Pirates.

The specifics vary, but the basic gist of what They Say Happened goes something like this:

A group of power-hungry neocons, led by Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Bush and others and organizationally represented by groups like the Project for a New American Century, seeks to bring about a "Pearl-Harbor-like event" that would accelerate a rightist revolution, laying the political foundation for invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq.

Your basic Reichstag fire scenario, logical enough so far. Except in this story, the Reichstag fire is an immensely complicated media hoax; the conspirators plot to topple the World Trade Center and pin a series of hijackings on a group of Sunni extremists with alleged ties to al-Qaeda. How do they topple the Trade Center? Well, they make use of NORAD's expertise in flying remote-control aircraft and actually fly two such remote control aircraft into the Towers (in another version of the story, they conspire with al-Qaeda terrorists to actually hijack the planes), then pass the planes off as commercial jetliners in the media. But it isn't the plane crashes that topple the buildings, but bombs planted in the Towers that do the trick.

For good measure -- apparently to lend credence to the hijacking story -- they then fake another hijacking/crash in the Pentagon, where there actually is no plane crash at all but instead a hole created by a cruise missile attack, fired by a mysterious "white jet" that after the attack circles the White House for some time, inspiring the attention of Secret Service agents who point at it curiously from the ground (apparently these White House Secret Service agents were not in on the plot, although FBI agents on scene at Ground Zero and in Shanksville and elsewhere were).


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Conspiracy in a nutshell...
Posted by: dbatterman on Sep 26, 2006 1:42 PM   
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...is needlessly complicated. If anything, this administration has proven itself to be horriffic at anything involving even the slightest smidge of planning, much less orchestrating what purports to be the biggest hoax ever to be pulled over the eyes of the whole world.
There will always be the conspiracy folks, and they have a right to think whatever they like. But hopefully most rational people can see beyond the claptrap and deal with what's really important, which is getting these yahoos out of office, asap.

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wrongheaded
Posted by: firsty on Sep 26, 2006 1:44 PM   
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it's terribly unfortunate that whatever email you received caused you to resort to such childish namecalling.

that said, you put too much of a burden on the truth movement. it's unfair to stack the "conspiracy" story against the "official" story and then poke holes in the "conspiracy" story because it's relatively incomplete.

the point you miss is this: it's not dylan avery's job to investigate what actually happened, when and how. what the truth movement has done, very simply, is poke more than enough holes in the official story to demand an honest, objective and thorough investigation (unlike the 9/11 commission), with power to subpeona and access to classified information.

it's inherent that outsiders such as those involved in the truth movement are going to have incomplete stories. but what theyve managed to present, with a good deal of information from experts and eye-witnesses, but without any govt cooperation whatsoever, should be enough to expose the fact that we're simply not being told the whole story.

but lets be fair. 10 experts about heat and jet fuel who dispute the govt's story are, to me, more believable than a hundred who agree with it, once you consider how easy it is to agree with the story coming from the govt, who collects taxes, distributes grants, can affect careers, etc.

again, it's simply not fair to hold "loose change" (for example) to the same standards as the 9/11 commission. ONE mistake in the 9/11 commission report is MUCH WORSE than ten mistakes in loose change. the 9/11 commission report should have left NOTHING up in the air, so to speak.

and it left a lot more than one thing up in the air.

instead of attacking the messenger, you should be demanding real information from official sources. if the media had been doing what it was supposed to be doing for the past 2 decades, perhaps we wouldnt be in the middle of an administration that is able to manipulate information to this degree in the first place.

cheers.

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» RE: wrongheaded Posted by: Jesse
Fianlly a Level Headed Thinker in this so-called Progressive Forum
Posted by: bullwhip7 on Sep 26, 2006 2:11 PM   
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Get ready for another avalanche of threats and hate mail.

Thanks for clearing up the idiotic "conspiracy theories" out there.
Of course, you realize this will just energize these fools a little more, you must be on the "company's" payroll...

Yeah.

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» Quick, duck, here comes common sense! Posted by: Conservasaurus
I'm less concerned...
Posted by: justiceputnam on Sep 26, 2006 2:42 PM   
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... about what happened before 9/11; though "benign neglect" can be levelled at any administration that has catastrophe fall on their heads; what I'm concerned with is the crass political advantage that Bush's necons grasped with their "Pearl Harbor" moment.

That's the "conspiracy" that concerns me. Not the "hollywood blockbuster" conspiracy.

I'm concerned with the morally repugnant advantage these "folks" sought, while using a national tragedy as their "chariot".

It's not what they did before that convicts them; it's what they did after 9/11.

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» RE: I'm less concerned... Posted by: mazel
Can you handle the truth?
Posted by: frbiwaftt on Sep 26, 2006 3:22 PM   
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What is the theory of the crime, according to the 9/11 Truth movement?

Just read either of these books: Crossing the Rubicon and The New Pearl Harbour

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"Idiocy" etc.
Posted by: dchabot on Sep 26, 2006 4:03 PM   
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"I have no doubt that every time one of those Loose Change dickwads opens his mouth, a Republican somewhere picks up five votes."
- What an intelligent comment!

"ALL THREE: (cackling) Mwah-hah-hah!
You get the idea. None of this stuff makes any sense at all."
- I do not agree. Remove sarcasms and idiocies from your story, and it could be near real.

"but under the 9/11 conspiracy theory, even the lowest FBI agent used to seal off the crime scene never squeaks. It's absurd."
- Lowest agents were not involved.

"I challenge a 9/11 Truth leader like Loose Change writer Dylan Avery to come up with a detailed, complete summary of the alleged plot."
- That would require a serious investigation, I mean, not like the official 9/11 commission. But who will do that?
BTW, do you believe the official commission's story? What do YOU believe happened on that day? Please tell us, you seem to be so smart.

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» RE: "Idiocy" etc. Posted by: Smog
» RE: "Idiocy" etc. Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: "Idiocy" etc. Posted by: YogiBear
» RE: "Idiocy" etc. Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: "Idiocy" etc. Posted by: Paragon
» RE: "Idiocy" etc. Posted by: Paragon
» RE: "Idiocy" etc. cont Posted by: Smog
Double Shame on Alternet
Posted by: perico on Sep 26, 2006 6:26 PM   
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Maybe this Matt guy is some kind of well known writer to get this published, but his writing skills are not apparent in this piece or the prior one to which he refers. I'd say a rigorous academic course in logic would be a good prescription for improving his arguments. This article borders on nonsensical emotional drivel.

Shame on Alternet for publishing his first 911 piece. It was really, really bad. This one is far worse. There have been some good articles posted here, but these Matt articles demonstrate extremely poor editorial judgement.

Fool me twice, shame on me.

Goodbye Alternet. I'm won't be back.

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You ain't looked hard...
Posted by: bassman on Sep 26, 2006 8:13 PM   
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Try reading "Crossing the Rubicon: The Decline of the American Empire at the End of the Age of Oil" by Mike Ruppert. It might answer some of your questions.

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In Fact...
Posted by: bassman on Sep 26, 2006 8:20 PM   
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How hard would it be to pull off illegal actions if you controlled all three branches of government?

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» RE: In Fact... Posted by: Conservasaurus
» What was Clinton's motive? Posted by: ignition
» Motive, motive, motive!!!! Posted by: Conservasaurus
» RE: In Fact... Posted by: bassman
» Good Point Posted by: Conservasaurus
» Good Point Posted by: Conservasaurus
THANKF*CKINGGOD
Posted by: Eat Politicians on Sep 26, 2006 9:00 PM   
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Matt, you continue to impress me with your ability to be right on mark. Half the game of keeping us powerless is keeping us seperated, and buying into whatever bullshit to the point that you are sending death threats to someone that doesn't agree with you in mind-numbingly moronic.

CHRIST. You think that neo-cons are heartless murders. Fine. I agree.

You think they went out of their way to make the most hyper-complex Tonkin-Gulf incident in history? Fine. I don't agree, but whatever.

You say that you are going to kill someone for not agreeing with your mindless, pointless fucking theories ...what?! How would that make you any better than the heartless murders?

You keep doing what your doing Matt. Hopefully our generation is starting to wake up a little bit. But I worry it's too little too late.

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HIgh caliber dialogue
Posted by: fifthworld on Sep 26, 2006 9:48 PM   
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There's a lot of love in this room. It's beautiful. It touches the hearts of the great American people.

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» RE: HIgh caliber dialogue Posted by: gazooks
What Matt misses entirely
Posted by: fifthworld on Sep 26, 2006 9:52 PM   
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Is that this is not a partisan debate. I talk regularly with "Liberals", "conservatives", "libertarians", and our discussion of the inside job is regardless of who they are politically. Those who are highly skeptical and realizing they've been had, like you, are the mulitiplicity of the political landscape.

Matt, you need to figure THAT into your misguided analysis/rant. I'm temted to call you a dickwad, but I'll be polite here.

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» Matt was right on Posted by: Conservasaurus
So I Wonder...
Posted by: freeda'all on Sep 26, 2006 9:58 PM   
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...what Matt has to say to the fact that Cheney & Bush both stonewalled testifying before the 911 Commission before agreeing only if they could do without swearing in (to tell the truth) and that Cheney insisted on being with Bush when Bush testified?

There are lots and lots of holes in the 'official' 911 report and not one that anyone 'debunking' the 911 conspiracy theories cares to adequately explain.

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» RE: So I Wonder... Posted by: Smog
» RE: So I Wonder... Posted by: famouspipeliner
» Oh yeah... Posted by: famouspipeliner
» Hello faulty logic! Posted by: ezilla
» RE: So I Wonder... Posted by: willymack
Worst Article Ever !
Posted by: ShoShenQ on Sep 26, 2006 10:21 PM   
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This dickwad has to resort to name calling, and basically says "forget the mountains of evidence, I find it stupid so it cant be". Anyway thanks for this much needed advertisement, we will make good use of it.

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» RE: Worst Article Ever ! Posted by: Smog
» RE: Worst Article Ever ! Posted by: famouspipeliner
» RE: Worst Article Ever ! Posted by: Joshua Holland
» RE: Worst Article Ever ! Posted by: slowerpez
Alternative Theory - The New Standard for Keeping Quiet?!
Posted by: kenadrian on Sep 26, 2006 10:28 PM   
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The author wrongly proclaims that 9/11 conspiracy theory is especially shameful because it offers no alternative theory.

The TRUTH is we don't know what happened but we want to. The TRUTH is that the 9/11 Commission Report is incomplete at best. The TRUTH is that many of us don't have or need a "conspiracy theory" to know when we're being b*llsh*tted by the official story. The TRUTH is that the official 9/11 story defies physics, logic, historical context, and most obviously plays into the hands of people in power that we can no longer afford to trust.

So, if the author really believes that it's immoral to ask for answers - real and complete ones - he's certainly got me confused as to who the "crazies" are. I'll believe the official story when all of the detailed contradictory evidence makes sense. Until then, I won't trust a gov't that allowed the Bin Laden family access to airspace on the very day one of their own is purported to have taken out a few thousand American lives. It's about public accountability, not conspiracy.

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» Smogman Posted by: famouspipeliner
» RE: Smogman Posted by: Smog
» Projecting eh? Posted by: famouspipeliner
» Right on the mark! Posted by: Conservasaurus
One more thing Dickwad.
Posted by: ShoShenQ on Sep 26, 2006 10:32 PM   
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And oh btw, when the US tried to invade cuba, the secret services devised a plan that involved fake commercial planes hijacked by fake terrorists/true CIA agents and even planned to use an Apollo accident (if it did happen on its own) to blame it on the cubans.

But hey why am I trying to explain this to an ignorant dickwad ? He will call this as being illogical, in fact I think that you believe yourself to be Socrate, able to understand anything thru your logic, and fuck the facts and History.

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» RE: One more thing Dickwad. Posted by: talkville
Baaahhhh
Posted by: OWN-the-NWO on Sep 26, 2006 10:57 PM   
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A perfect hit
Posted by: talkville on Sep 27, 2006 2:21 AM   
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If one were to carefully study the etymology of the word 'idiot' it would correspond very neatly with this 'movement' - where it's moving or how is hard to discern. Hence, the word 'idiocy' in the title is astonishingly appropriate. Tragically, the energy it is dissipating in its 'movement' would be very invigorating if it were placed on less conspiratorial issues, like working and surviving for example. True rightists and conservatives couldn't be happier in encouraging these methods of thinking.

An event actually transpired on 9/11/2001, and it demolished the exceptionalist complacency amongst us in the USA. Similar events have been transpiring elsewhere for quite a long time. This particular event is being used, and used cynically, to implement and institutionalize structures and methods of ruling which should concern everyone- perhaps 'draconian' would be a good approximation to their implications. This concerns us in the USA as well as the entire world. While there's bickering about causes, effects are rapidly becoming actual. Language, too, is historical and it's important too consider the word 'idiot' in that context.

Our rulers, who are flesh and blood humans, are very smart but not that efficient. Yet.

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Thank you, Matt
Posted by: trashdog on Sep 27, 2006 2:32 AM   
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If it wasn't for you and Josh Holland, I think I would've stopped reading Alternet a long time ago, or at the very least, it would be simply to remind myself that lefties can be just as unhinged as the wingnuts.

Bless you for a much needed dose of common sense.

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What a depressing article...
Posted by: JP2 on Sep 27, 2006 3:47 AM   
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Dear mr. Taibbi. You just wrote another very depressing article. To read such convenient stuff about 9/11 on alternet really is starting to keep me at distance of the website.

You ask Dylan Avery to come forward with all the details about the 9/11 plan? That's insane. That's even something childish to ask. Nobody can do that, obviously. The point is asking questions, not drawing a scenario without knowing the details, only to get laughed at even more. You just want Avery to make an ass of himself, admit it.

I wonder, do you ask questions? Don't you ever feel like asking questions? Like, why the 9/11 commission covered up so many details? Where is the evidence that Osama actually planned all this? Why Osama was so lucky to have NORAD standing down on 9/11, so lucky to have just months before all the NORAD response in the hands of Cheney, so lucky to escape so many times before 9/11, so lucky to have top-secret drills in the same days that got people confused?

What about the anthrax scare? How come Osama was so lucky that right after 9/11 some secret laboratory in the US started helping him adding fear to fear? Because, let's face it: if al-qaeda has access to Anthrax, why they're not using it again and again?

How about all the witnesses that spoke about detonations in the WTC? Was everyone drunk? Why always assume that witnesses are unreliable?
And about the fact that 'too many knew'... well, okay. It's pretty incredible. But not impossible. Particularly if the military is involved. They have the right groups that don't go around talking about secret operations. Demolition teams, for example. And about all the others who benefited, like wall street guys or silverstein or such, that's not so many people to control. Assuming you picked the ones you could trust or blackmail in the first place.

I am an italian citizen, mir. Taibbi, and I can assure you that I have no anti-american feelings. Au contraire. But I am worried. Your country is threatening the entire world. I don't feel threatened by Iran or Iraq, I feel threatened by the pressure your country can put on mine, forcing the already weak italian political elite to give up my liberties in exchange of less security, and a depressing sense of impotence.

I am what in your country is called a liberal, mr. Taibbi. And I am actually surprised and disappointed to see liberals in the US in denial about 9/11.
I guess you believe too, like FOX News and CNN, that Hugo Chavez is 'a crazy man'? And is that why he went public and talked about 9/11 being an inside job?

Mr. Taibbi, you are not going to persuade anyone with statements like 'In the real world you have to have positive proof of involvement to have a believable conspiracy theory'.
No sir, you don't! If you have 'positive proof' you don't have a consipracy theory, sir, you have an investigation, a trial, and hopefully a sentence. We are way before that. We are trying to make enough noise about 9/11 in order to raise awareness and hopefully one day get to a point where finally the cover up cracks and we get some proof of it and investigations.

Until then, what you have is a gigantic amount of unanswered questions and doubts.

So tell me, what a citizen is supposed to do? That's not a rhetorical question. It's very serious. Are we supposed to stay silent only because you don't want liberals to be 'accused' of supporting an 'idiot' cause? Are we embarrassing you?
But the accuses, the embarrassment... that's nothing, mr. Taibbi.
The questions are important.

You know it mr. Taibbi. In your guts you know that something is wrong with 9/11. This struggle for the truth needs everyone's help.

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9/11 Conspiracy theorists are wrong because they lack a theory?
Posted by: ljsullivan1166@earthlink.net on Sep 27, 2006 4:34 AM   
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Intellectually indolent writers like you, Matt, spew out millions of words attacking '9/11 Conspiracy Theorists' because you don't have the integrity or the guts to spend an equal amount of time and energy honestly looking at the evidence with an open mind.


Actually, Matt, it's not too difficult. Just shut your mouth, open your mind, look thoughtfully, and listen to the physicists, engineers, demolitions experts and the seasoned, trained observers who witnessed these events up close. And then think about what you have seen and heard -- and, we hope, learned -- from these people who know vastly more on this subject than you do. Pay attention to the people who lost family members and friends on 9/11, people who have intensely painful and important questions they need to have answered -- but who never get any answers.


Your little ego trip, based on pretensions of coolness, is nowhere near as important as getting to the bottom of this mess. What the 9/11 Truth movement is doing is illustrating vividly the massive holes in the Official Story. This is far more important at this stage than coming up with a Single Unified Theory -- which would be as inappropriate right now as if Euclid had tried to do that a few thousand years ago about the Universe.


First you gather the evidence and examine it. This is something the government has not only NOT done, it has actively tried to block anyone else from doing it. And then, too early, they hand-picked their 'independent' Commission to 'investigate' the events -- without giving them access to the evidence the government is withholding. Their subsequent report, therefore, is a whitewash that upholds the Official Story -- which, by the way, is a truly ludicrous example of a half-baked Conspiracy Theory.


Why will none of them answer the questions being asked? Why do they refuse to release the evidence they are keeping under wraps? This is an administration incapable of telling the truth about ANYTHING -- and you want us to believe they are telling the truth about THIS?


Get real. And maybe you should concentrate on creative writing; leave opinion and commentary to those who think more deeply.

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Building 7
Posted by: Flavio on Sep 27, 2006 4:39 AM   
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The whole discussion, and I wish it would be a discussion, because name calling is the refuge of someone without facts or cogent thought about them (has Chomsky ever resorted to character attack?), begins and ends with the fact that in the afternoon of that day, a 54 or so storey building suddenly fell into its footptint. Period. There has not been anyone atttacking the people who want to know what really happened that day to even address that anomaly, let alone explain it rationally. Any takers?

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» RE: Building 7 Posted by: Belter
» RE: Building 7 Posted by: YogiBear
» OK,YOU explain it! Posted by: Conservasaurus
Continued
Posted by: ljsullivan1166@earthlink.net on Sep 27, 2006 4:41 AM   
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P.S. And incidentally, do you know how many were involved with the Manhattan Project? Some 43,000 people were involved -- and no one knew anything about it until AFTER the bomb was dropped on Hiroshima. This was due, in part, to the fact that many who were working on various bits of the project were kept in the dark about the big picture -- even they didn't know. But just imagine -- all of those people involved, and no one leaked anything. Probably because they were aware that to do so could get them a quick coffin.


It's quite possible to keep a massive conspiracy under wraps. It's been done many times.

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» RE: Continued Posted by: Smog
» RE: Continued Posted by: Conservasaurus
see mysteries of 9-11 video
Posted by: mo1912 on Sep 27, 2006 4:56 AM   
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http://www.informationliberation.com/index.php?id=15716
Steel columns do not slice themselves into neat diagonal cuts .Even this guys
"Scientist friends " ( Whatever !!) can't say otherwise .
This video is very informative ,anyone with any real interest in what happened that day should take the time to watch it .

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» RE: see mysteries of 9-11 video Posted by: Conservasaurus
You've convinced me, Matt. It was a conspiracy.
Posted by: KeepsonTickn on Sep 27, 2006 5:53 AM   
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I didn't believe the Bush administration was behind the 9/11 attack until I read this piece. But it is obvious that you somehow obtained an actual transcript of a planning session. The logic of Bush and his advisors is unmistakeable.

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9/11 truth fog
Posted by: pingoo on Sep 27, 2006 5:55 AM   
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I quite agree with much that this article is about. Even though I have admit to have been following the 9/11 conspiracy theory very closely over the past few months I am ready to admit that the situation is starting to border on the ridiculous and is not only losing credibility for the 9/11 Truth movement itself, but for the American people as a whole.

What I beleived the 9/11 truth movement was all about was to have a new enquiry into what happened on that dreadfull of days. On that aspect I fully agree - there are unanswered questions and the refusal of the US government to release more information on the subject makes everyone suspect that there is more to it than the 9/11 Commission report tells us all.

But from what I can see many of the people who are embracing this theory are so convinced of its truth that they are becoming aggressive and insulting to those who dare to question some of its aspects purely because there IS NO OFFICIAL PROOF. Its a complete reversal of the situation when there was a buildup to the Iraq war with a few similarities. Back in 2003 there was no proof of WMD's and whatnot yet many were convinced and would argue their point agressively with those who dared to question their opinion on the matter. The crowd is essentially the same, the motives different.

But what is most worrying is this: For a short while it really looked like people of the US started to think about what happened not only in the past 5 years but also about their position in the world stage in the past 60 years for the very first time in just as many decades. For once the US citizens were questioning their governments and their past rather than beleive blindly the rethoric that being the 'greatest nation on the planet' they 'could do no wrong' and that all foreign policies adopted by their current and past administration were for the good of everyone - a view that has been largely contested by probably the majority of the rest of the planet for a very very long time.

That I thought was probably the best thing that could happen to the US and it was a long time coming. Finally, it looked as if the US was going to change and join the rest of the world in constructive policy making for peace and the good of all nations rather than considering themselves the only superpower who needed to spread its culture across the globe for it to reach a hegemony that would guarantee peace by their standards and their standards only.

I feel that the current conspiracy theories are distracting people from the real problems - ones that have concrete proof and for which solutions should be found as soon as possible. A new 9/11 enquiry, although important, cannot take priority over what we already know has been committed and is being committed right under all our noses ever day.

Lets put it this way - what if we had a new enquiry and the conspirators were proved wrong woul: a. the 9/11 truth movement and its devoted followers be contempt? b. would that help to patch up all the atrocities committed towards innocent people all though out the globe? c. Would it affect the status of the current administration in any way that could turn out to send positive waves throughout the nation and the rest of the world?

What if the conspiracy was proved to be correct - what then? Sounds to me just like the plan for the invasion of Iraq - lots of firepower and no after plan. I rarely (actually, never) hear from the conspiracy sites about what would need to be done if suspicions were proved to be correct - in order to make a better nation. Makes me think that it isn't really part of the strategy at all.

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» RE: 9/11 truth fog Posted by: YogiBear
9/11 truth fog continued
Posted by: pingoo on Sep 27, 2006 5:55 AM   
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While all the conspiracy theorists are using up huge amounts of precious time and energy your government is actually discussing the idea of legalising torture and changing the Geneva Convention which is there to protect us all. While people focus on this idea which has no real proof - just confusion and varieties of interpretations - your government is stealing not only the your own rights but the ones of every one of us right from under your nose. And this last point, my dear Americans, is just one of many many many injustices perpetrated by Bush and the Neo-Conservatives of which we know all the facts and have all the proof in the world. Now where should we really be focusing our attention?

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» RE: 9/11 truth fog continued Posted by: HeroesAll
» RE: 9/11 truth fog continued Posted by: AJAXXXXX
9/11 truth fog (Final part - promise!)
Posted by: pingoo on Sep 27, 2006 6:20 AM   
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One last point (promise!) -

To Matt himself - I would like to point out that at the start of my post I said I agreed about what your article was about. But I have a few problems about the direction you chose to prove your point. Like you there have been others lamenting the fact that the 9/11 conspiracy is taking on the form of a hype and with this I agree. But I wouldn't be surprised to receive as you said 'Fuck You' emails from people seen as you have taken a rather condescending tone with your readers - one that ridicules them and that does make it seem like you think that anyone who has a suspicion upon the reality of 9/11 to be incredibly stupid.

For this you are wrong and you might need to consider improving your writing style. If you were really so shocked at all the hate mail you have received then maybe - like all Americans should have done right after 9/11 itself - you should consider asking yourself what may have caused this instead of lashing out like you have by creating a little fictional story which frankly is an insult to those who enjoy to think freely and pose questions about current affairs.

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Myrajean
Posted by: myrajean on Sep 27, 2006 6:51 AM   
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I agree with the writer on one point of his piece. The 9-11 conspiracy theorists are giving ammunition to the opposition. They may be right, but they could better spend their energy fighting on some other front--especially since the truth is being tightly controlled by the same people who formed the conspiracy, if any.

That said, there is plenty of evidence to at least suggest that something went on behind the scenes. We know that the government lied, changed its official story, destroyed or otherwise disposed of physical evidence, and tried at every step to suppress any independent investigation. One thing we know for certain: they lied to rescue workers about the toxicitity of the air at Ground zero, and now 70% of the workers have either died or are sick. A government that would do that, it seems to me, would not stop at killing three thousand people to achieve its ends.

I also think the writer got so enamored of his own rhetoric that he committed some of the same errors that he accused the conspiracy theorists of: for example, he created a whole hypothetical scene to prove his point-- remarkably like the steaming bullshit he accused the opposition of. He also uses another tried and true neocon tactic-- namecalling. I noticed that he didn't factually refute a single item that the conspiracy people assert.

Finally, he painted the conspiracy people with a broad brush. They don't all believe the same thing. But they all know--and the writer should too-- that this administration would rather lie than tell the truth, that they have told identifiable lies about 9-11 and have used it for their own political ends. Therefore it is not unreasonable or silly to want to pursue the truth.

There is a huge mound of evidence, and some reputable, credible people who differ with the official story-- it would behoove the writer to withhold his judgment and support further investigation rather than lumping together all the theorists and dismissing them out of hand.

The article was too much like the administration propaganda we are inflicted with daily, not what I would expect from an investigative journalist who writes for Rolling Stone. Do you suppose he is one of those paid hacks that the government has hired to distribute misinformation?

Oops. sorry. That's what the opposition does-- call names and imply stuff.

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Don't say "X" because it gives us all a bad name. Well boo f#*!inghoo
Posted by: sln70 on Sep 27, 2006 7:15 AM   
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The problem is not the 9/11 truth movement. The problem isn't that liberals cheered when Chavez called Bush the devil. The problem isn't anything that "we the people" might say or do. We're HUMAN, for god's sake, we're FREE for God's sake, and we're ANGRY for god's sake.

We'll say whatever we want, and if your so called 'progressive' sensibilities can't take it, then buy some ear plugs.

If what other people say REALLY makes YOU look bad, then you're in trouble, buddy. Stand on your own merits, and quit worrying about everyone else's.

I've never in my life heard a conservative say "Oh boo-hoo, quit talking about the End Times, it makes us all look bad"

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MMMMM! DELISH!
Posted by: Roverton on Sep 27, 2006 7:50 AM   
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I love smog.

Some of these Conspiracy-Pussies can't handle breathing it in all day. Love it! Let the kids play in it.

Get you acts together, Lefties. Stop stalling the REAL process of getting back to how we were before 9/11 with all this 9/11 crap!

Don't get tangled in all of this complicated junk. The Left isn't complex enough to know what to do with it anyway.

Even right wingers agree it's not worth it - so I intend to listen to that advice.

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Funny
Posted by: kepstein7777 on Sep 27, 2006 7:56 AM   
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"...if there's one thing about Americans -- they won't let a president go to war without a damn good reason...Look at how hard it was to get us into Vietnam, Iraq the last time, Kosovo?"

That would make a great editorial cartoon: Uncle Sam being dragged, kicking and sceaming: "I don't wanna to to war!!!...I don't wanna to to war!!!"

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» RE: Funny Posted by: HeroesAll
waste of space
Posted by: spanky on Sep 27, 2006 5:42 PM   
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I used to like Taibbi, but this is nothing more than a dribble of shit.

Truth movement does not equal conspiracy theory. Simply pointing out that the official story is riddled with inconsistencies and contradictions, is not the same as claiming that BushCo masterminded the whole thing. If Taibbi can't even be bothered to make this distinction, he's useless.

This was arguably the worst crime ever committed on American soil, and the offical investigation of that crime was a cruel joke. The commission executive director, who basically set the agenda, was a Bush Cheney insider.

Bush initially offered just $3 Mil in funding for the 9/11 commission. Contrast that with:
$40 million.........amount spent on Clinton/Lewinsky investigation
$50 million.........amount budgeted for Challenger space shuttle disaster investigation
$40 million.........estimated cost of Bush/Cheney 2005 innauguration event

If BushCo had nothing to hide (either incompetence or complicity) they would have given the 9/11 commission the resources to do the job right. Right?

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LeNeveu
Posted by: LeNeveu on Sep 27, 2006 7:13 PM   
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Matt, though I am not gay, you have my blowjob anytime.

The new New York Press editor is a moron. You are a great writer.

LeNeveu

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» RE: LeNeveu Posted by: AJAXXXXX
A few comments
Posted by: jeotsu on Sep 27, 2006 8:37 PM   
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It is always exciting when an article generates lots of comments, though it can become rather disappointing when the comments degenerate into name calling or simple “yeah, me too!” statements.

I believe Matt may have made an error by broadly generalizing two distinct groups under the heading of the “9/11 truth movement.” There are those who feel that the investigation after the attacks was deliberately inadequate, and there are those who create alternate theories that differ very significantly from the stated version of what happened. The former feel justifiably vilified being lumped in with the later.

It is probably useful to apply Occam's razor to the problem. That is, search for the more simple explanation. Deliberately layering on complexity is likely to be moving you further from the truth.

I find it amazing that people who gleeful detail the litany of incompetence of the Bush administration (Katrina, Iraq rebuilding, the list is lengthy and depressing) can in the same breath talk about a vast and exceedingly complicated conspiracy that they pulled off within months of gaining office, involving huge numbers of people around the world. And they did this in a flawless and seemingly undetectable fashion, no less. I suppose they used up all their “competence juice” in those first 8 months, and then suddenly became helpless incompetents? Or perhaps (using Occam's razor) they were incompetents to begin with, and that is a better avenue for exploring what happened that day.

Never discount the power of incompetence. Assume the cause was “stupid” before it was “enemy action.” And why should we be surprised at a pattern of obstruction and obfuscation to any inquiry? If you held a position of power, and perhaps could have stopped 9/11 from happening, would you stand up and say “yes, it was my fault, I screwed up and let thousands die”? Because while you might, I have no problems believing that in a pathological ass-covering culture like one we have today, nobody would have the guts to own up to their mistakes. And LOTS of mistakes were made.

I also find it amusing that the more conspiracy-minded of the 9/11 crowd hold forth how “most scientists/engineers are puppets of the Man, but I have one here who agrees with our theory!” Really? So that means so long as one (or a small group) of scientists agree you must be right? Well, I guess Exxon/Mobile is right, and there is no global warming! And Philip Morris wants you to know that smoking is good for you!

You can't have it both ways. Either the majority of scientists are generally open-minding and free-thinking individuals, or they are all helpless pawns of the Machine. As Matt/Smog has said in comments above, the 9/11 conspiracy nutters have an amazing talent for cherry-picking the facts they want, while studiously ignoring anything that contradicts their view, and then not