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The Presidential Three-Year-Old

By Molly Ivins, AlterNet. Posted September 21, 2006.


...Or the worst press conference in history.
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Is it just me, or was that the worst presidential press conference in history? So I went back and read it over. Of course, in print you don't get the testy tone: I heard it on radio and thought the man was about to blow up -- not just because he was being questioned, which Bush appears to consider an offensive action in the first place, but because people continue to refuse to see things the way he does. How can they be so stupid or malign, he appears to wonder.

I ask: How can he be so repetitive, repeatedly using the oldest tactic of a verbal bully -- saying the same thing louder, as though that would make it true?

Last Friday's Rose Garden press conference seemed so awful I thought it worth wading through it again to see what set him off. Maybe if you saw it on television, it seemed better. Perhaps his banter with reporters works better on TV. But I left with the impression that this is a spoiled man whose frustration level when someone disagrees with him is that of a 3-year-old and that he's the last person you want to see operating under a lot of stress because he doesn't handle it well. See what you think:

Q: "On both the eavesdropping program and the detainee issues --"

A: "We call it the terrorist surveillance program, Hutch."

Yo. Sometimes I'm convinced this is a war of words. Should we call it surveillance or eavesdropping? Is the detainee issue about holding terrorists, or is it about torturing them and then trying them without telling them what evidence we have against them? If we stop calling it eavesdropping plus torture with kangaroo trials, will it stop being eavesdropping, torture and kangaroo trials, and become "anti-terrorist activity"? Who gets to name things? Would a rose by any other name, like skunkwort, smell as sweet?

Sen. John McCain, who knows more than President Bush about torture in captivity, thinks abandoning the Geneva Convention rules leaves American soldiers in peril of being tortured in turn and us without a court of resort to look to.

It's a thorny issue, but Bush kept getting more and more annoyed as he reiterated, "And I will tell you again, David, you can ask every hypothetical (question) you want, but the American people have got to know the facts. And the bottom line is simple: If Congress passes a law that does not clarify the rules, if they do not do that, the program is not going forward." (In other words, we will not hold tribunals for suspected terrorists.) In what court in what world is not allowing the defendant to hear the evidence against him held to be just?

Bush kept insisting the legislation to permit such tribunals is vital and "the program will not go forward without it" because young intelligence officers might be accused of breaking the law(!).

"Let's see if I can put it (Article III of the Geneva Convention) this way for people to understand. There is a very vague standard that the (U.S. Supreme) Court said must kind of be the guide for our conduct in the war on terror and detainee policy. It's so vague that it's impossible to ask anybody to participate in the program for fear ... of breaking the law. That's the problem."

Actually, the problem is the proposed program of tribunals is illegal -- and not just young intelligence officers, but potentially old war criminals are at risk, as well.

Now here's a Bush classic, clarifying the matter with exquisite precision:

Q: "Well, recently you've also described bin Laden as sort of a modern-day Hitler or Mussolini. And I'm wondering why, if you can explain why you think it's a bad idea to send more resources to hunt down bin Laden, wherever he is? "
A: "We are, Richard. Thank you. Thanks for asking the question. They were asking me about somebody's report, well, special forces here -- Pakistan -- if he is in Pakistan, as this person thought he might be, who is asking the question -- Pakistan is a sovereign nation. In order for us to send thousands of troops into a sovereign nation, we've got to be invited by the government of Pakistan.
"Secondly, the best way to find somebody who is hiding is to enhance your intelligence and to spend the resources necessary to do that; then when you find him, you bring him to justice. And there is a kind of an urban myth here in Washington about how this administration hasn't stayed focused on Osama bin Laden. Forget it. It's convenient throw-away lines when people say that."

Now that's a problem. Because in the summer lead-up to the war in Iraq, both administration officials and Bush himself repeatedly deemphasized the importance of Osama bin Laden. This was, of course, after they had let him slip away at Tora Bora, a mistake increasingly denounced within the military itself.

As resources were transferred out of Afghanistan and toward Iraq, we were repeatedly told that bin Laden was not central to the war on terror, it would continue with or without him, he was no longer our focus. There was a flurry of commentary at the time about this odd decision, but Saddam Hussein was being presented as the great menace and monster, and bin Laden was off the table.

You might think this is a classic fork: either they were lying then or they are lying now. But it would just take Bush longer to explain.

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Camping out
Posted by: wineandwit on Sep 21, 2006 9:28 AM   
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Bin Ladin is camping out in his parents basement in Saudi Arabia.

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awacoguy
Posted by: wacoguy on Sep 21, 2006 10:06 AM   
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Ms. Ivins fundamentally interprets the behavior of the President as immature. While I don't disagree with this as an element of his pitiful behavior, I am more and more coming to believe that what we are seeing is the governmental equivalent of the insanity of the 90's--a mind set and behavior pattern that gave us things like the Enron, Tyco and Worldcom debacles. During that time, executives (especially at the CEO, Chairman and Board levels) began to manifiest many attributes that had historically been held in reasonable check. Many of these attributes can be traced to a short-hand depiction: the CEO as a god. With a poor job-availability market nationwide, increasing reliance on "consultants" who are disconnected from the results of their recommendations and the manic pursuit of fuzzy, non-traditional goals (for instance, "shareholder value", instead of "earnings"), employees were more or less forced into playing games and parrotting whatever nonsense and "quality programs" were foisted on them. CEO's increasingly became surrounded by private security, private airplanes (and other means of avoiding the great unwashed) and fearful underlings made crazy. I personally witnessed increasingly abusive behavior by top executives during the 90's, and the ultimate underlying story of Enron, Tyco and Worldcom, etc., is ABUSE. Our W. was a CEO during that period (although he succeeded in being a complete failure at it,). To further complicate the situation, our W. was a cheer-leader while in college. Nothing fundamentally against cheer-leaders, you understand, but, I have no doubt that in the era he was at Yale, the main pre-requisite of someone drawn to cheerleading was a taste for cliques and the latest rah-rah, I'm in and you're not fad and cool expression of the day. Is it any wonder, then, that this spoiled, coddled, seldom-tested, and totally protected person would react in a fundamentally abusive fashion? To sort of put in another way, as a native Texan who knows a Connecticut dilletant interloper when he sees one: How have we as a society allowed so many men and women, since the 70's, to reach the age of 40 or 50 or 60 without ever having had someone slap the whistlin' snot out of them--something they so clearly and desperately need? Folks who have had the fortune to experience that reality tend to modify their behavior a bit.

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» bogus rich kid syndrome Posted by: pixiequix
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So let me get this straight
Posted by: SufiLizard on Sep 21, 2006 10:09 AM   
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Osama bin Laden is living comfortably in Pakistan and the guy who handled the finances of the 9/11 attacks was a Pakistani with ties to the official government intelligence agency.

So of course the logical first step toward capturing him and destroying his terrorist network is to invade Iraq. Because somehow, getting rid of Saddam Hussein, who was a bitter enemy of bin Laden was part of the war on terror.

And of course the rationale was that Saddam was developing nuclear weapons -- which we knew then, and everybody knows now was simply not true.

And now, with the 2006 elections coming up, we're taking a strong look at Iran. Keeping in mind that the Sunni, bin Laden is probably not well-liked in the Shia nation of Iran. Also remember that when we invaded Afghanistan shortly after 9/11, Iran not only provided us with useful intelligence, but also captured a lot of Al Qaida operatives.

And unlike Iraq, Iran is a democracy. Admitedly a flawed democracy, but those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

But it looks like we'll be invading Iran next because, they MIGHT be in a position to begin developing nuclear weapons in 10 - 20 years.

And yet, the architect behind 9/11, Osama bin Laden, is in Pakistan -- a military dictatorship that already has nuclear weapons.

I'm certainly not a war hawk, but if you're itching for a fight, wouldn't it make a LOT more sense to go into a country that is ruled by a dictator, illegally developed a nuclear arsenal, has the capability to deliver it's nukes, and is harboring the bulk of the terrorist network that we are supposedly going after?

Or if Pakistan doesn't have enough oil for your tastes, at least take a serious look at bin Laden's homeland, Saudia Arabia. Most of al Qaeda's financing comes from that non-democratic nation with a whole bunch of oil. And that place is a bona fide hotbed of violent extremism.

Either one of those countries would make a much more logical target than Iran -- a country that hasn't really done anything bad to us in about 30 years, since they helped get Ronald Reagan elected.

Unless of course, your foreign policy isn't driven by actual national security or even, less nobly, revenge. I guess if your goal is the long-term destabilization of the mid east which will result in rising oil prices for the forseeable future and if you have no regard for human suffering and death, the path we're on is perfectly logical.

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» RE: So let me get this straight Posted by: ALANHESTER
Authoritarian Arrogance
Posted by: NoPCZone on Sep 21, 2006 11:16 AM   
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What everybody saw at the Press Conference was a strong authoritarian type being called to task before the cameras. Bush wouldn't have even bothered except he knows and has been advised to do so for political reasons.

Members of the press know he doesn't want to be there, but has to and they are finally gaining some backbone. More than a couple of years late, but better late than never.

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Bush's Behavior
Posted by: Ellie1 on Sep 21, 2006 11:42 AM   
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But isn't it nice to see Bush squirm? And isn't it nice to see a media with some balls for a change?

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Beyond sad
Posted by: Asses of Evil on Sep 21, 2006 4:47 PM   
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I watched it before going to work, no, Monkey Boy did not come off better on TV. He rambled on about "clarifying" Common Article 3 and suggeting that guarantees of protections of basic human dignity were "vague".

Well, how about they not include attaching electrodes to the genitals, exposing prisoners to the cold for long periods of time, torturing them with extended sessions of music and light which aren't pleasant, avoiding offending religious sensibilities etc. Oh, sorry Monkey Boy, excuse my clear-eyed thinking.

David Gregory wasn't trying to "punk" the President or play a game of "Gotcha" with him either by suggesting that if nations are allowed to interpret Common Article 3, then our own prisoners might not be secure. But Monkey Boy is such a little "Dauphin", to quote Digby that yes, as Molly says, he obviously offends at even the suggestion of questioning his Authoritay. It was truly breathtaking in revealing the depth of Monkey Boy's myopia. Like Wyclef Jean said, he just needs to smoke a joint and chill. Well, he needs to do more than that, but he really does need to chill.

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» A TYRANT WITH DIGNITY? Posted by: Cathyc
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» RE: Beyond sad Posted by: ALANHESTER
Bush Logic
Posted by: rollo on Sep 21, 2006 4:48 PM   
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We can't send troops into sovereign Pakistan "because they have to invite us?" Did Iraq send Georgie Porgie an Evite?

Sovereign means what, Dumbleya?

"Tribal sovereignty means that; it's sovereign. I mean, you're a — you've been given sovereignty, and you're viewed as a sovereign entity. And therefore the relationship between the federal government and tribes is one between sovereign entities.

http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2646755

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No violation of law
Posted by: agfusa on Sep 22, 2006 12:03 AM   
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GW said very clearly that "young professionals will not violate the law" when on the front lines, either in Iraq or interrogating prisoners. "People aren't gonna do that." I would love to have asked him what his excuse for Abu Ghraib was if our people don't violate laws. What about all the other soldiers that have been accused of rapes and murders? Yet GW expects us to believe that "professional" interrogators behind closed doors with no recordkeeping or oversight will stay 100% within the law, simply because they are good people?

Bush and his administration have been the most blatant in history about grabbing for money and power because they know that the general public is helpless to stop them. Our elected officials have no interested in doing anything except to appear useful, since you can't even be elected to Congress any more without being a multi-millionaire in the first place. Why would you possibly bite the hand that feeds you, except to get re-elected or elevate your party to power?

I re-read the Declaration of Independence the other day, and it rings as true today as it did then. Bush is guilty of 100% of the things that King George III was, causing the colonies to rebel in the first place. Hugo Chavez may very well be right--that the U.S. is in an irreversible downward spiral and our time is amost up.

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» RE: No violation of law Posted by: ALANHESTER
The Press Conference
Posted by: Tom Degan on Sep 22, 2006 1:11 AM   
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After watching that "event", I transfered the videotape to audio cassette so I could listen to it in my van. It's a very strange thing, indeed, to ba able to lisen to it without benefit of those hideous facial expressions of his. The fact of the matter is this: The president of the United States is out of his mind. Please, if you were able to tape it, just listen to it with the picture off. He comes off as a raving lunatic! This is the man that we have foolishly placed at the seat of world power. This is the man who, along with the tsunmai of incompetance that comprises his administration, is in the process of destroying our once-great country. If the republicans are able to retain a hold on both houses of congress in the November elections, we might as well write this nation off for dead. This just might very well be the end. Seriously!

If you get a chance, read yesterday's column by David Broder. It's an eye opener.

Pray for peace

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
"The Rant" by Tom Degan

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impeached
Posted by: rsaxto on Sep 22, 2006 1:50 AM   
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Every American who hasn't been thoroughly brainwashed out of their skull by Bushie freaks and their kept media knows that the top of the Bushies needs to be impeached because they are incompetant criminals who only pretend to be moral. Mass murder in illegal war and mass torture top the list of their crimes which are numerous way beyond that needed for legal and practical reasons. Only criminal members of Congress prevent this from happening so let's vote them out of power in November if the election isn't too rigged in their favor. If it is too rigged then we will know and we must all protest for justice.

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» RE: impeached Posted by: grammasanity
He's a drunk!
Posted by: kgs1947 on Sep 22, 2006 3:23 AM   
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He's a drunk. What more can you expect? I wonder what it would really look and sound like if Bush entered sobriety. He is so rigid, controling, power-hungry, defensive, and spews out "stinkin' thinkin' so much, are we blind in not seeing a "dry drunk"?! Wow...and he says our country is "addicted"??? And, the Congress? Well, ever hear of "co-dependency"?

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The wheels are coming off in prime time
Posted by: LeftWright on Sep 22, 2006 3:32 AM   
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Finally, the cabal that seized control by stealing the 2000 election, perpetrated 9/11, illegally invaded two countries, kidnaps and tortures all over the world, illegally spies on Americans; and stayed in power by stealing the 2004 election is losing control of its endless and increasingly bizarre propaganda campaign in prime time.

The outrageous depravity and complete criminality of this administration is becoming increasingly obvious for all to see.

Even the MSM is finally starting to ask the questions and demand the answers long ignored.

Absent more electoral fraud on November 7th, this administration should expect to start answering questions raised by numerous investigative committee's in the next Congress. Unless of course, there is a repeat of the anthrax attacks on key Democratic leaders in the House and Senate. Or one or two members get "Wellstoned" to keep the others in line.

Of course, if Mr. Bush becomes too unstable or is forced to testify under oath, he will simply stop being a problem as CIA Director Casey did to stop the Iran/Contra investigations from reaching too close to the truth. Mr. Cheney's history of heart problems is also a ready-made escape route and, at 74, Mr. Rumsfeld could similarly decline to testify due to death.

I hope they all live long enough to serve a third term, a life sentence in Leavenworth for treason, murder and crimes against humanity.

Don't be surprised if there is another 9/11-like event after the election, probably on the west coast, they are getting increasingly desperate and will stop at nothing to maintain their plutocracy.

Like an enormous Ponzi scam, the multi-layered strategy of tension is becoming impossible to maintain and thus conceal its true purpose.


We really do have nothing to fear but fear itself.


Remember; we, the everyday, hardworking citizens of the United States are 295 million strong and can stand up to this relatively small group of totally corrupt elites who have hijacked our country.

We can take to the streets in peaceful demonstrations.

We can strike to bring the country to a complete standstill.

We can fill the streets of our national capitol with peaceful protesters and demand complete accountability and transparency from our government.

We can regain our national self-respect and rehabilitate our standing in the world community.

The human spirit is the strongest force in the world.

The people of the Ukraine did. The people of Georgia did. The people in Mexico are right now.

ARISE and UNITE !!

We must demand the restoration of integrity in our electoral process first, everything else will flow from that.

The second American Revolution is coming, sooner than you think. Hopefully, without a single shot being fired.

No matter how dark things look, remember that we are all brothers and sisters on this big blue ball.

The truth shall set you free. Love is the only way forward.

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» The Peaceful Revolution... Posted by: YinRising
Some of us don't need to be told, Molly
Posted by: ISlamIslam on Sep 22, 2006 4:21 AM   
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"...in the summer lead-up to the war in Iraq, both administration officials and Bush himself repeatedly deemphasized the importance of Osama bin Laden. This was, of course, after they had let him slip away at Tora Bora, a mistake increasingly denounced within the military itself.

As resources were transferred out of Afghanistan and toward Iraq, we were repeatedly told that bin Laden was not central to the war on terror, it would continue with or without him, he was no longer our focus. There was a flurry of commentary at the time about this odd decision, but Saddam Hussein was being presented as the great menace and monster, and bin Laden was off the table."

I find these interpretations to be as silly and childish as anything Ms. Ivins attributes to Bush. Some of us don't care whether the adminstration says capturing UBL is important or whether it is unimportant, because we understand that it is both important and unimportant at the same time. Let's just say some of us get the "nuance" of it, while Ms. Ivins and those like her either are or pretend to be confused, rather like children, so they can play "Gotcha."

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Common Article 3
Posted by: NonnyO on Sep 22, 2006 4:32 AM   
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Google Geneva Conventions.... Common Article 3 is the only article that is in all four of the Geneva Conventions, and (after WWII and the Nuremberg trials) it's the only one that hasn't changed.

It is written in elementary English. Anyone with a grade school education can easily understand it. Herr Boosh made a fool of himself talking down to the reporters condescendingly while trying to 'splain that it needs clarification. Technically, none of it needs "clarification."

Yes, Herr Boosh has a Narcissistic Personality Disorder - and, since the personality disorders tend to come in clusters, I'd also add Antisocial Personality Disorder and Paranoid Personality Disorder. He has no conscience; he's also the only one afraid of the boogey-men he calls 'ter-rirists' and 'enemies' - oh, and his repetitive new term is 'extremists' (used in almost every sentence in his UN speech). He is clearly insane, and most everyone knows it except his "base" who still believes his god talks to him.... Lamestream Media spinmeisters are still trying to interpret and 'splain Bu$hSpeak, a dumbed down version of Orwellian Newspeak, so they don't seem to realize how insane he is either; if they did, they would refuse to broadcast the daily propaganda.

The alleged 'ter-rirists' are CRIMINALS, not an organized army representing any country. As such, they need to be dealt with by law enforcement agencies. Unconstitutionally and illegally invading a country for no reason whatsoever is an over-reaction to criminal acts, and starting an illegal war is a war crime. Torturing prisoners and civilians - more war crimes. Stretching definitions, one could say he has a 'war on crime' - but NOT a 'war on terror.'

Making torture 'legal' would break the treaties clause of the US Constitution, and violate the 8th Amendment of the Bill of Rights. The so-called 'Patriot Act' (drafted before 9/11) already violates several other Amendments. LYING to Congress (and to the citizens of this country and to the rest of the world) is an impeachable offense. If the rubber-stamping ditto Congress Critters make torture 'legal,' they are violating our Constitution, our Bill of Rights, our own federal laws prohibiting war crimes, and our treaties... which may also be construed as a war crime for which Congress could be held liable.

I wonder if the senators and representatives have thought of that...???

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two-sided coins
Posted by: MaggieMayOrSheMayNot on Sep 22, 2006 5:55 AM   
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unfortunately.

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Terrible Twos
Posted by: Lila on Sep 22, 2006 5:57 AM   
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Excellent analysis of our former Gov, as always. But Miss Molly, I think you give the man too much credit on the age level. Wouldn't you be describing the "terrible twos."

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Coalition of the willing?
Posted by: Arvy on Sep 22, 2006 6:15 AM   
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Sorry - off topic but I wonder if this story was reported in the States.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/5369198.stm

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It's all so 1984...
Posted by: BeeGee on Sep 22, 2006 6:22 AM   
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Molly points out a superb example of doubleplusgood duckspeak. Yes, I re-read Orwell's 1984 yesterday -- about 40 years after the first reading. And, folks, it was more like reading the news than a classic dystopian novel. I recommend a re-read highly. Big Brother might be Watching Us (and hurting us), with or without the US Constitution and Geneva Conventions, but at least we still have a few laws and people with the will to make things right.

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Look at the Alternet video section
Posted by: WhuThe?!? on Sep 22, 2006 7:05 AM   
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There you can see bush at his finest at a recent press conference. There are 2 parts and it is really entertaining to watch. He's on the edge of cracking and the author described his behavior very accurately. His behavior is very unbecoming of a president.

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The reason for 'not torturing prisoners' ...
Posted by: AdamSelene40 on Sep 22, 2006 7:12 AM   
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Isn't so much that you care that your enemy might torture your soldiers in return ... (Let's face it, it's a soldier's job to die screaming.)

No, the reason for the Geneva Accords is to make it less likely your enemy will fight to the death. In both World Wars, European soldiers surrendered to each other, with a considerable saving in lives and ammunition costs.

The flip side of that, is the reason you abuse prisoners is to stiffen the resolve of your own troops not to be taken alive. Vide: the Japanese Imperial forces. Not only did they fight on beyond all western sense of military reason, they persuaded civilian support peronnel to commit suicide in large numbers rather than be taken alive by Americans.

And, there's nothing like the authority to have people sent to the torture chamber and the 'obliette' to tell a regime that their King is really powerful and in charge. (And if the King tortures and dissappears whomever his councilors tell him to, then the counselors, doncha see, know that THEY are really powerful and in charge.)

Absolute power does not corrupt ... those who seek absolute power are already corrupt.

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With Bush, what you see is what you get – unfortunately.
Posted by: monkeywrench on Sep 22, 2006 7:29 AM   
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Bush is only entertaining when he is asked a pointed question, which, to him, is ANY question that doesn't parrot back his talking points. The rest of his blather is so repititious that it would make more sense to simply prop up a life-size cardboard cutout of Bush, with a hidden CD player endlessly cranking out his same tired propaganda. The cutout could even be in black-and-white; I doubt that anybody would notice the difference.

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Pakistan is a sovereign nation
Posted by: Artkansas on Sep 22, 2006 7:36 AM   
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"Pakistan is a sovereign nation. In order for us to send thousands of troops into a sovereign nation, we've got to be invited by the government of Pakistan."

So I have to guess that Iraq and Afghanistan are not. That or white man speak with forked tongue.

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A bit of levity
Posted by: Artkansas on Sep 22, 2006 7:41 AM   
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Late one night, a drunk guy is crawling around under a lamppost. A cop comes up and asks him what he's doing.

"I'm looking for my keys," the drunk says. "I lost them about three blocks away."

"So why aren't you looking for them where you dropped them?" the cop asks.

The drunk looks at the cop, amazed that he'd ask so obvious a question. "Because the light is better here."




Any other drunks that we know who are looking for terrorists where the light is better?

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» RE: A bit of levity Posted by: ALANHESTER
Bush is the president WE elected and therefore WE deserve.
Posted by: b253@yahoo.com on Sep 22, 2006 9:03 AM   
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So if you don't want a similar type of president next time. Get out and voted. Work for leaders who are compassionate, not bullies. Work for leaders who push for health care, not bombs. Who provide prompt relief for Katrina victims not more bombs to be dropped on Lebanese victims. Look for a candidate who pushes mass transit and alternative energy not with words but with dollars. By the way for the MADD mothers out there. Did you ever think that if mass transit were available it might save a few lives as well as curtail energy use and make jobs available to those who can't afford a car to get on the economic ladder. A hint to voters these type of men will look more like Howard Dean (a physician) or Dennis Kucinich than a swaggering cowboy. He might even be a Republican but we need to find these real men.

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» A little late for that now Posted by: bananas
Bush Like 3 Year-old
Posted by: Dianka on Sep 22, 2006 10:00 AM   
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Tragically, Bush isn't merely like an angry, spoiled 3 year old, like a three year old with a loaded gun.

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» RE: Bush Like 3 Year-old Posted by: daffy
Sigh... speaking of clowns on both sides....
Posted by: picket on Sep 22, 2006 11:44 AM   
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Garrison Keillor was writing about Congress taking a five[?] week vacation and coming back to do the people's business. What was priority? It turns out to be a debate about horse meat.
He says "you know what I think? Congress should leave town. Move north to where they can feel the crisp chill breeze of reality...........just pitch two big circus tents one for the House , one for the Senate, bring in FEMA trailers for housing, and let's see if we can't get more work out of these people."

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EL DIABLOCO, INSANE GOVERNORS OF U.S.
Posted by: Burtonger on Sep 22, 2006 11:50 AM   
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EL DIABLOCO
Truly a terminal disease/menace to world society, CRAZY/GREEDY bullies with BIG BOMBS and BAD ideas,THAT is what the world sees in american leadership and rightly so. Obsessed agression on a world scale,THE world's BIGGEST threat to peace,proven by illegal actions,trying to legalize past criminal acts,facts jack.
Americans are responsible for these MONSTERS and MUST stop them before the world steps in and executes america's insane war criminals as they should be, the criminaly insane must be held responsible, who wants to wait for KARMA, or for america to develope some ethics or morals.
America has lost it's SOUL, or actually sold it to EL DIABLOCO ....THE NEW REVOLUTION FOR PEACE OR ELSE

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maninmoon
Posted by: maninmoon on Sep 22, 2006 12:49 PM   
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When I was a young ,impressionable, naive, (around 3rd grade?) ALTER BOY AND BOY SCOUT, I used to BELIEVE. More to the point, I trusted and assumed that most people were basically honest. I thought everyone learned "The Golden Rule" and basically followed it. ( George Bush must've skipped that class too) That was when I first heard of "lobbyists". I asked what their job was, and even in 3rd grade, I knew it was wrong. It was a "wrong" thing for that to be allowed. Well, I was right of course, but now it's gone beyond wrong, to outright larceny. I think I read that now there are 66 Lobbyists for each member of congress? (it's probably 66.6 by now, a good number for them.) "Lobbying" should be outlawed. In this age of computers and instant communication, our "leaders", (I choked on that) have all the information they need and then some, at their fingertips, to make informed choices. But since Bush "took" office, the cancer is actually being fed now. Screw the whole pack of theives.

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» RE: maninmoon Posted by: grammasanity
» RE: maninmoon Posted by: IndyElliott
Osama is both a boogyman and an embarrassment to Bush and the Saudis
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Sep 22, 2006 1:01 PM   
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Great question:
Q: "Well, recently you've also described bin Laden as sort of a modern-day Hitler or Mussolini. And I'm wondering why, if you can explain why you think it's a bad idea to send more resources to hunt down bin Laden, wherever he is? "

A: "We are, Richard. Thank you. Thanks for asking the question. They were asking me about somebody's report, well, special forces here -- Pakistan -- if he is in Pakistan, as this person thought he might be, who is asking the question -- Pakistan is a sovereign nation. In order for us to send thousands of troops into a sovereign nation, we've got to be invited by the government of Pakistan.


What if Bush had captured Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan before the Iraq invasion? Would he have had the necessary momentum to send troops into Iraq after the oil? No - that's one reason why Bush&Co. ignored the issue of Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan and instead focused on cooking up intelligence on the non-existant Iraqi WMD programs.

Those WMD programs did exist at one time - and they were primarily supplied by US companies working with unoffical US and British government support - that includes anthrax, chemical weapons and nuclear technology, all supplied with covert assistance in the effort to help Saddam attack Iran. The story is detailed in Alan Friedman, in Spider's Web: The Secret History of How the White House Illegally Armed Iraq, 1993 .

The bin Laden family in Saudi Arabia is a bit like the Rockefeller family in the USA - politically and economically connected to an unsurpassed extent. This is embarrasing to both the Bush and Saudi royals. Of course, the Taleban (and Hamas) and OBL all recieve their funding from the Saudi royal family. Isn't it odd how the 9/11 Truth Network, Scholars for 9/11 Truth, Alex Jones and Dylan Avery & Co. are always claiming that bin Laden had nothing to do with 9/11? At this point, that's what the Saudis and Bush would prefer that you believed.

It's a "conspiracy theory' based on the 'big lie": Bush and the Saudis are so worried about the bad press from Saudi-supported terrorist networks that they set up a vast 9/11 Network in the United States to promote a story that was so outrageous that noone would believe it (that's the big lie). What would the Saudis and Bushies rather have as the subject of discussion: BCCI banking scandals, Saudi support for the Wahabi Taleban, the Bush-bin Laden relationship facilitated by the Carlyle Group defense etc. fund, and the number of Saudi pilots who have recieved US military training within the US -
OR, bombs in the WTC, missles hitting the Pentagon, and vanishing flights?

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So many ways to evade...
Posted by: jmoore on Sep 22, 2006 1:18 PM   
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And Iraq wasn't a sovereign nation at the time the US sent troops in there?

It's been abundantly clear from the start that the 9/11 terrorists had lots of backing from Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, but we can't deal with them appropriately because they are our "friends." It's been clear as well that even though OBL was the instigator of the 9/11 attacks, he can never be punished because that would remove a future excuse to continue messing around in that region.

The announcement of the reduction in the force dedicated to the effort to find OBL and bring him to justice made it obvious that "terrorist" is just another word for "someone who is standing in our way."

I'm tired of the "if you're not with us you are against us" rhetoric, tired of the "we can have nuclear weapons and so can our friends, but never our enemies despite the fact that they are sovereign nations" line, tired of the lies and half-truths and evasions and misdirection.

And I'm tired of my fellow Americans who can't see this bullcrap for what it is, and who continue to vote against their own best interests. WAKE UP!!

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Our Reptilian Savior
Posted by: opeluboy on Sep 22, 2006 3:39 PM   
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Thank God John McCain is in our corner on this one, folks! If there's anyone who's stood up to Bush time and again, it's this guy, a war hero who bombed civilians from 30,000 feet up and then ratted out his comrades when he got captured. I will sleep easier now knowing that he respects Geneva and eagerly await his next appearance on The Daily Show, where he can yuck it up with Stewart and get a little boost for his coming presidential run. Maybe the same Dems will this time encourage Kerry to run as his veep!

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were we invited into iraq...?
Posted by: pill_girl on Sep 22, 2006 6:13 PM   
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i'm pretty sure it was a sovereign nation when we so graciously sent our troops there to save them from saddam hussein? so where is the logic that allowed us to invade iraq, and depose hussein? sure he was a bad guy, but the real threat is bin laden, and we cant go after him because pakistan is a sovereign nation. i guess its convenient to say that we cant go traipsing about a sovereign nation when it comes to bin laden. it didn't suit king george's agenda where iraq was concerned. but hey, iraq is way better off for it, arent they?

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