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Truth-Telling Gone Wild

By Molly Ivins, AlterNet. Posted August 22, 2006.


The Bushies are having the hardest time trying to un-lie.

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Royal Masset, a Texas Republican political consultant who has been accused of being less than brilliant, recently had this to say about Karl Rove: "I think we actually like Karl a lot more now than we did when he was more active locally." He told the San Antonio Express-News he believed that Rove in Washington is remaining loyal to Bush while "fighting the good fight. He's fighting budgets. He's fighting wars. He's doing conservative kinds of things."

When Rove was in Texas, Masset continued, "there was a real sense of him being a total self-centered (person) who didn't care about anybody. He would literally destroy people who tried to oppose him." Plenty o' food for thought in that. But first we should maybe figure out how to smuggle Royal out of the country with a fake passport. The Bushies are having the hardest time trying to un-lie now. For example, at his Monday press conference, the president asserted, "Nobody's ever suggested in this administration that Saddam Hussein ordered the (Sept. 11) attack."

How true: What Vice President Cheney in December 2001 said about links between 9-11 and Iraq was that it was "pretty well confirmed" that hijacking ringleader Mohammed Atta had met with Iraqi intelligence. On June 17, 2004, Cheney said: "We have never been able to confirm that, nor have we been able to knock it down, we just don't know. ... I can't refute the Czech claim, I can't prove the Czech claim, I just don't know."

In July 2004, the CIA's own report stated it does not have "any credible information" that the alleged meeting ever took place. The CIA said the whole concoction was based on a single source "whose veracity ... has been questioned" and that the Iraqi official allegedly involved was in U.S. custody and denied the meeting ever took place. The 9-11 commission had already concluded the meeting never occurred.

Cheney has a consistent pattern of exaggeration on intelligence related to Iraq. The tragedy is that at least half the American people believed Saddam Hussein was connected to the 9-11 plot -- and most soldiers serving in Iraq still believe this.

It's pretty embarrassing when the British intelligence services, MI5 and MI6, accuse the FBI of leaking like a sieve. British intelligence has a lengthy history in the leaking-like-a-sieve department -- so that's some pot calling our kettle black. Nevertheless, they are making the point that our leaks about the "liquid terror" plot have pretty well bollixed up the case. Deputy Prime Minister John Prescott was so annoyed he referred to the entire Bush performance in the Middle East as "crap." This truth-telling has gone too far.

Or, come to think of it, maybe it's just begun -- and it's high damn time we got on with it. I'd suggest starting with the reality on the ground. Iraq is a disaster. The most credible estimate of how long it would take to fix it -- if it is fixable -- is another 10 to 25 years and a commensurate amount of dollars. Is it doable? Is it worth it? What are the consequences if we do or do not continue the effort? What are the consequences if the most likely result of our withdrawal -- partition into three parts -- takes place? (That's also a likely consequence of our staying.)

It seems to me that those who advocate withdrawal ASAP have just as much of a duty to make the arguments for doing so -- and to admit how much they don't know -- as those who got us into this mess five years ago with that titanic combination of misinformation and ignorance.

Let's start with what Donald Rumsfeld once described as "the known unknowns" and then see how far we get. Let's have what we should have had at the beginning -- as informed and unideological a debate as possible, with attention to the effects on our allies and the region. Onward.

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Onward - not!
Posted by: tlees2 on Aug 22, 2006 2:33 PM   
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No debate needed. We who opposed the war before it started figured it out correctly. Our soldiers should not be held hostage one second longer to the moronic imperialistic arrogant ignorant policies of George W. Bush. Our presence is exacerbating things. Our military must get out now. No more deaths. Iraq's future must be determined by Iraqis who will probably split Iraq into three separate entities, which could cause problems with Turkey. No matter what, our occupation of Iraq is making things worse and must end.

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» RE: Onward - not! Posted by: Somedaysoon
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» RE: Onward - not! Posted by: dangerouslysane
» RE: Onward - not! Posted by: willymack
Leave Iraq???
Posted by: Knowmad on Aug 22, 2006 2:48 PM   
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Good article by Molly, as usual - precise, concise and frank. I'd just like to sprinkle a little food-for-thought from my north of the 49th. vantage point.

Regarding the fiasco in Iraq, I think Molly's view, and many others, seem to be somewhat if not entirely based upon the assumption that the Chushrovians and their ilk really do want to leave Iraq - even the middle east in general - and allow those who actually live there to determine their own destiny. I suggest perhaps this isn't the case, and back it up with one basic fact: apparent vast reserves of oil.

It just might be that the immature, misguided Chushrovians - with the lofty direction of their corporate overseers, of course - envision a wondrous, nespotic-like line of control up through their great-grandchildren as the only real option in the middle east; lording over the area ad infinitum. Or at least until all the oil's sucked up. The masters can then orchestrate a pull-out, and sick the future version of mindless Chushrovian puppetry on some other poor, resource-rich region badly in need of a dose of American invasive democracy.

Hope I’m wrong, for all our sakes.

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» RE: Leave Iraq??? Posted by: indy675
» RE: Leave Iraq??? Posted by: Knowmad
NOT Leaving Iraq
Posted by: cacky on Aug 22, 2006 4:06 PM   
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Are we building permanent airbases there?

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» RE: NOT Leaving Iraq Posted by: indy675
» RE: NOT Leaving Iraq Posted by: willymack
permanent everything
Posted by: rsaxto on Aug 23, 2006 12:43 AM   
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We are building permanent everything in Iraq, the "embassy" is a military fortress whose primary function is to keep Americans and allies alive from the righteous wrath of Iraqi citizens and to gather intelligence and to propagate propaganda and to tell Iraqis how to obey US orders. All kinds of military bases. It is to be an occupation to last however long it takes to pump all the oil out. It is war crimes piled on top of war crimes and "peace" crimes piled on top of "peace" crimes. It is bloated injustice and massive tortures. It is the Cheney way which is simply corporate criminality of the terrorist kind. Impeach these Bushie criminals.

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Lack of Imagery
Posted by: eyebox on Aug 23, 2006 6:06 AM   
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Question: After seeing an incredible slide show on IHT (International Herald Tribune) of the Israel-Lebanon conflict, it occurs to me to ask: WHERE ARE THE IMAGES OF IRAQ? Three years into the conflict, and no one stateside has any idea what's really going on there. Any links? Any help?

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ECLECTICIST, S. JIM RODRIGUEZ
Posted by: SJR505 on Aug 23, 2006 6:13 AM   
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INCIDENTALLY, IF ONE WANTS TO KNOW WHAT THE BUSHES, NOT THE SHRUBS, ARE ALL ABOUT READ STEPHEN PIZZO ABOUT THE "BUSH BROTHERS - AKA- BURISE BROTHERS.." WRITTEN IN 1991...THE CONTENTS STILL HOLD TRUE TODAY...THEY ARE LIVING AND HAVE BEEN LIVING A LIE, AND THEIR REWARD IS A FAMILY CURSE AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE...IT IS DAMN GOOD THAT BUSH 43 AND ALL HIS ELDER SIBLINGS AND PARENTS ARE NOT TEJANOS, BUT ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS TO OUR BELOVED STATE...THEY ,LIKE MANY NOTHERNERS ,CROSSED THE "RED RIVER" FELL IN, AND GOT THEIR NECKS RED...AND . NOW ARE CALLED "RED-NECKS..."REMEMBER :

Regrettably, empirical studies reveal, however, that authoritarians are frequently enemies of freedom, antidemocratic, antiequality, highly prejudiced, mean-spirited, power hungry, Machiavellian, and amoral. They are also often conservatives without conscience who are capable of plunging this nation into disasters the likes of which we have never known. JOHN DEAN 7/22/06

AND, WHAT WE ARE EXPERIENCING WITH BUSH "SILVERFOOT" 43 IS NOTHING BUT " MUTUAL MENTAL MASTURBATION..."

S...JIM...RODRIGUEZ+++ECLECTICIST SEEKER+++

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» RE: John Dean's latest book... Posted by: dangerouslysane
Bases & Embassy
Posted by: makeadifference on Aug 23, 2006 7:27 AM   
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I seriously doubt the US will ever leave Iraq. With 14? permanent military bases and an American Embassy the size of a small city... why would anyone think we would leave? If the media was allowed to do the job of informing the people of what is actually happening over there, perhaps it never would have gone this far.

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» RE: Bases & Embassy Posted by: willymack
» RE: Bases & Embassy Posted by: 50566
The Decider Has Spoken
Posted by: NonnyO on Aug 23, 2006 9:07 AM   
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Earlier this week at a news blab that was allegedly supposed to be about Lebanon and Israel, The Decider repeated himself: As long as he's pResident, we will not leave Iraq. Did everyone think that was a re-run of a previous sound byte when he said the same thing?

That one jot of truthiness has totally escaped Lamestream Media's attention. Is everyone taking it for granted that the US military will be in Iraq indefinitely?!? I haven't heard one whisper of a bleat of protest from Dems, Independents, or even the few Repubs who are questioning the US presence in Iraq.... Nor have I heard a bleat of protest about the latest news blurb I heard last night and this morning about more reserves being called up to go to Iraq - all, of course, counter to DimWit's claim about withdrawing troops from Iraq as soon as possible. He's increasing the number of US troops, not bringing any of them home. True, the snooze anchors have only mentioned it in passing, and if anyone listening wasn't paying attention they missed it. But I've not heard one whisper of opposition about staying in Iraq indefinitely, nor about increasing the US troop numbers in Iraq by calling up more reserve troops.

If any politician has expressed outrage about staying in Iraq as long as The Decider is Resident, or about the older reserve troops being called up to increase the numbers of the US military presence in Iraq, those sound bytes have not been aired in Lamestream Media.

The silence has become a deafening roar.

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» RE: The Decider Has Spoken Posted by: outsidea
Don't underestimate the cruelty of these fascists.
Posted by: monkeywrench on Aug 23, 2006 9:36 AM   
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We are never going to leave Iraq, and all the talk of self-supporting government there and the Iraqi people's self-determination and "We'll stand down when the Iraqis stand up" is bulls**t. We are in Iraq, and are about to take on Iran, and are trying to bring our brand of "democracy" (i.e.: "you're free to do what we order you to do") to other countries of the Middle East, and are still coddling the dictatorship that sent us 15 of the WTC terrorists, Saudi Arabia, for the one thing that is NEVER mentioned in any newscast: OIL! Or more accurately, the control of its distribution and thus its price. Our invasion of the Middle East for oil will turn out to be one of the greatest destructive acts in history to the free-market capitalism this administration constantly blathers about. BushCorp wants an oil monopoly in the entire Middle East, and nothing – not the deaths of thousands of Americans and Iraqis, not the disruption of an entire continent, not the home-grown destruction and death on our own soil in New York – is going to stop it.

I urge everyone to read Greg Palast's book, "Armed Madhouse," for a look at the real motives that drive BushCorp.

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they like it this way, they keep it this way
Posted by: 50566 on Aug 24, 2006 1:18 AM   
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I have come to the conclusion that they are playing a large behind the scenes role in keeping things stirred up over there. They don't want to leave ever. They never intended to. They will stop at nothing to stay over there. The funniest thing to them is how many people refuse to see what the deal is. It reminds me of a woman who loves her husband so much he can flaunt his mistress right in front of her and she will still make up the lamest excuses for his behavior. oh well, some people... sigh. secretly she hates his guts, but her ego will not allow that to surface. must look good. must look like she made the right choice...

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What shall Happen to these 'Devils'
Posted by: shyguy709 on Aug 24, 2006 7:04 AM   
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I am not American, I am African. I clearly understand that each and eevry country has its own shortcomings.

I am interested in international affairs because one has to think globally and act locally; I just want to find out one thing from the American piblic.

I have watched all movies circulating on the 9-11 conspiracy theory and this is horrific; if it is true, these guys have no conscience. Now this is what I am seeking to know

1) when it is said that these capitalist and fucked up neo cons do some of these fiendish acts seeking their own gains, I WOULD LIKE TOP KNOW WHAT ARE THEIR GAINS? What are they reaping from causing such catastrophes?

2)What shall be done to Bush and his faithful disciples,once they have been proven guilty?

3)Are Americans aware that most of their biggest instutions especially in the Media Industry are controlled by JEWS who are at the front of propaganda? I am not anti semitic and I have the right t olike and dislike who or what I think worth or not worth it, so if u cal me anti semitic, it means nothing to me, lol

4) what about Ameriacns national and International Image? how can the damage be repaired so as not to rekinder the embers of hatred especially amongst Arabs who have sworn to be her enemies?

5) when shall we witness the positive revolution of the masses?

I believe that since most judgements are based depending on the US actions, if there is a revolt in the US agaisnt the wicked acts of the present government, and also the masses telling the government to apologise for all hurt and pain committed, I think we can start off from there with a positive vision for this world?

if not MANKIND IS IN AMNESIA

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How long we stay in Iraq..sickofsleaze
Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com on Aug 30, 2006 9:18 AM   
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depends on how long the oil lasts. On second thought maybe it depends on how long it takes us to go belly-up financially or we get run out

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