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Bill Moyers for President

By Molly Ivins, AlterNet. Posted July 25, 2006.


Can Moyers win? No, but he can show the Democrats what political courage looks like.
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Dear desperate Democrats, here's what we do. We run Bill Moyers for president. I am serious as a stroke about this. It's simple, cheap and effective, and it will move the entire spectrum of political discussion in this country. Moyers is the only public figure who can take the entire discussion and shove it toward moral clarity just by being there.

The poor man who is currently our president has reached such a point of befuddlement that he thinks stem cell research is the same as taking human lives, but that 40,000 dead Iraqi civilians are progress toward democracy.

Bill Moyers has been grappling with how to fit moral issues to political issues ever since he left Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary and went to work for Lyndon Johnson in the teeth of the Vietnam War. Moyers worked for years in television, seriously addressing the most difficult issues of our day. He has studied all different kinds of religions and different approaches to spirituality. He's no Holy Joe, but he is a serious man. He opens minds--he doesn't scare people. He includes people in, not out. And he sees through the dark search for a temporary political advantage to the clear ground of the Founders. He listens and he respects others.

Do I think Bill Moyers can win the presidency? No, that seems like a very long shot to me. The nomination? No, that seems like a very long shot to me.

Then why run him? Think, imagine, if seven or eight other Democratic candidates, all beautifully coiffed and triangulated and carefully coached to say nothing that will offend anyone, stand on stage with Bill Moyers in front of cameras for a national debate ... what would happen? Bill Moyers would win, would walk away with it, just because he doesn't triangulate or calculate or trim or try to straddle the issues. Bill Moyers doesn't have to endorse a constitutional amendment against flag burning or whatever wedge issue du jour Republicans have come up with. He is not afraid of being called "unpatriotic." And besides, he is a wise and a kind man who knows how to talk on TV.

It won't take much money--file for him in a couple of early primaries and just get him into the debates. Think about the potential Democratic candidates. Every single one of them needs spine, needs political courage. What Moyers can do is not only show them what it looks like and indeed what it is, but also how people respond to it. I'm damned if I want to go through another presidential primary with everyone trying to figure out who has the best chance to win instead of who's right. I want to vote for somebody who's good and brave and who should win.

One time in the Johnson years, LBJ called on Moyers to say the blessing at a dinner. "Speak up, Bill," Lyndon roared. "I can't hear you." Moyers replied, "I wasn't speaking to you, sir." That would be the point of a run by Moyers: He doesn't change to whom he is speaking just because some president is yelling at him.

To let Moyers know what you think of this idea, write him at P.O. Box 309, Bernardsville, NJ 07924.

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dream team
Posted by: badnana2 on Jul 25, 2006 11:47 AM   
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I would love to vote for Moyers with you as VEEP! I have been pining for a return to the time when a candidate actually stood for something and was clear about it.

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A man for all seasons
Posted by: richardpmendola on Jul 25, 2006 12:03 PM   
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This could be the best idea you have ever had. I am currently reading his book Fooling with Words. A thinker, a man of grace and sensitivity. It is almost heartbreaking to think of what could be. God bless Bill Moyers.

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lie down with dogs, get up with fleas
Posted by: ryandake on Jul 25, 2006 12:26 PM   
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great idea! i'd sure hate to see bill get all dirtied up like that, though.

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Run, Bill
Posted by: Sparks56 on Jul 25, 2006 3:22 PM   
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I'll write Bill Moyers, that hallowed and hated symbol of PBS hyper-liberism, and ask him to run. Molly's right, as usual. Moyers would force Democrats away from the focus groups, image consultants, and marketing geeks that have taken over the political process. He might even coax the likes of Bill Bradley and Mario Cuomo back on to the scene.

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You're waking me up!
Posted by: hagwind on Jul 25, 2006 4:33 PM   
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If Bill Moyers is on the ballot in my state I'll register to vote. Hell, he doesn't even have to be on the ballot; I can write in as well as anyone. If Molly's on the ticket, I'll register twice!

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A much better choice than Hillary
Posted by: sofla100 on Jul 25, 2006 6:01 PM   
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Bill would make an excellent president. The elites will never allow it, but it is at least a dream. As for Hillary, she might as well convert to the Republican party. With support for the Iraq war and unwavering support for Israel no matter what, just what is the difference between her and GW Bush?

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poppop
Posted by: carmelo on Jul 25, 2006 6:07 PM   
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Ditto the above, plus add my DREAM team for '08": Ivins with Moyers or Hightower. It's time for a woman.

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Great thought, but...
Posted by: jakrabit on Jul 25, 2006 6:17 PM   
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...I wouldn't wish that on any decent person in this political climate. Despite their pronouncements of faith, I have the feeling that the Atwater acolytes would re-crucify Jesus if he ran against their candidate.

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what could we accomplish...?
Posted by: deepsquid on Jul 25, 2006 7:35 PM   
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What could this country accomplish if we had leaders with integrity, humanitarian values and wit? We are paying over 1 trillion for this government; in my opinion, we do not get what we pay for.

Unfortunately, I do believe we get what we ask for.

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tennliberal
Posted by: tennliberal on Jul 25, 2006 7:43 PM   
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I've wanted Bill Moyers for President since Reagan's first term. A more erudite, thoughtful, insightful and brilliant individual would be hard to find, and is desperately needed in our nation. Run, Bill, run!!!

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Go for the Center
Posted by: JAXC on Jul 25, 2006 8:59 PM   
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I like Molly Ivans and always read her commentary, and I see her point about Bill Moyer—but going way out onto the left wing is no way to win an election. Most Americans are at the Center which ain't a bad place to be. Triangulate, Stradle the Fence, Supporting the Troops in Iraq, and all the other criticisms the left throws about won't win an election. Time to get real and stop being losers.

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Or Stephen Colbert...
Posted by: Tiko on Jul 25, 2006 10:26 PM   
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Well, speaking of spine and b**** of steel. After that performance just a few metres from Dubya? Damn right! Just a thought. Or, how about running Colbert with Moyers?

I suppose both men would not be interested, though. We need them to do what they do best: they tell it straight.

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» RE: Or Stephen Colbert... Posted by: domenico234
Intelligent, insightful, erudite, humane, experienced...
Posted by: peridot on Jul 25, 2006 11:54 PM   
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...wouldn't stand a chance. But, If he would announce an interest....Mr. Moyers...for your country, for us...for the ALL of us who could re-gain our party, maybe our country...This world has a great need, perhaps an ultimate need for a truth teller. Help us now. Hearten us now, justice is starving. Equality is starving. The lives of untold millions are at peril from reckless, murderous American Imperialism. The form and structure of our own once great democratic enterprise is in fearful peril. For many years you have bravely witnessed to us....can you lead us now?

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Moyers and Molly
Posted by: Tom Degan on Jul 26, 2006 3:24 AM   
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As someone suggested above, the Bill Moyers/Molly Ivins ticket would be too good to be true - AND THEY'RE BOTH HOME GROWN TEXANS!!! How's that for Irony??? I mean, let's be serious here: That state isn't known for its political geniuses. What did Molly call it? "The National Laboratory for Bad Government" As great a description as I've ever heard.

And who says they couldn't be elected! It would be such an unusual and unique ticket, people would be forced to listen to them. And can you imagine Molly crackin' that gavel as the head of the senate?

I know this is all extremelyt wishful thinking but I can dream, can't I?

Pray for peace.

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY
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FANTASTIC!
Posted by: profmarcus on Jul 26, 2006 3:53 AM   
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this is so brilliant, it positively shines with its own light... without exaggerating a whit, i would drop everything to go to work to get this man elected...

And, yes, I DO take it personally

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oldfreedomdude
Posted by: oldfreedomdude on Jul 26, 2006 5:02 AM   
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I would wholeheartedly support a Bill Moyer's candidacy for President! Having waited 5 years for the Democrats to stand up to the Bush administration, and now watching Joe and Bill and Hillary complete the destruction of the Democratic Party, something needs to be done. I would also be delighted to have you as Vice President.

Question: Would it be possible to run as Green candidates, to make use of the organizational structure it already has in place and strengthen it as a third party?

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No better idea on '08 has yet emerged
Posted by: hankgeorge on Jul 26, 2006 5:03 AM   
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Yes, Molly, YES. Bill Moyers epitomizes what America SHOULD BE all about. It would be a privilege to work for him, contribute every dime I can manage to his campaign...it would be the most refreshing experience in my 60 years. I shall write him straight away and ask if he will do this thing for all of us. Just to be able to confront the others will send a shot of adrenalin where it is needed most. Hillary must be stopped in her tracks. She is a menace to society. No more dynasties. Who needs Biden and the other mainstreamers. They represent nothing but the lesser - and, yes, MUCH THE LESSER - of two evils. We need a hero for our times and if Obama is not ready yet, then, YES, Bill Moyers. Thank you for this stroke of genius.

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Drafting Bill Moyers ended
Posted by: mars68 on Jul 26, 2006 5:14 AM   
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There was an on line org doing this supported by Peace Corps returnees and it was asked to suspend operations in January 2006. Too bad but we should keep trying.

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Bill & Molly
Posted by: rsaxto on Jul 26, 2006 5:17 AM   
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Bill Moyers/Molly Ivins are probably the most moral political animals in the USA. The current corrupt rulers of "both" political parties would shoot the ticket down in a second.

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Amanuensis
Posted by: Hierodule on Jul 26, 2006 5:23 AM   
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Moyers would be great, but my dream candidate for president is Madeline Albright.

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la mer
Posted by: la mer on Jul 26, 2006 6:03 AM   
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I will write Moyers, I will contribute to his campaign, and I'll even volunteer for him.
It is so painful to watch the world descend day after day into the hell that this administration is leading us and our children. It's time to screw up our courage and do something different---to choose a moral, and responsive leader.

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lomo
Posted by: Lormor on Jul 26, 2006 6:25 AM   
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Amen.

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Marvin Wagner
Posted by: Marvin R on Jul 26, 2006 6:34 AM   
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I pledge to work for a Moyer campaign.

However, I'm reluctant to expose him to the power and influence of the R's. He has many books and programs that could be picked for propaganda and used like the Swiftboats.

His courage and integrity is shared by few public figures.

I wish he would interview Bishop Gumbleton of Detroit.

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Molly, Molly, Molly.
Posted by: Graydon Wilson on Jul 26, 2006 6:34 AM   
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It sounds like you're getting tired. None of that zingy wit. Just earnestness. Serious, heartfelt, genuine. Almost like, well, Bill Moyers, except without the wryness.

You getting ground down, darlin'?

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ECLECTICIST, S. JIM RODRIGUEZ
Posted by: SJR505 on Jul 26, 2006 6:47 AM   
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THESE SIGNIFICANT STATEMENTS BEG PERVSIVE ANSWERS - "HAS ANYONE ASKED BILL MOYERS WHETHER HE WOULD RUN ...???; "DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT IT TAKES TO RUN A CAMPAIGN...???BOTH ANSWERS RESULT IN A BIG "N-O-"...THREE THINGS THAT WIN ELECTIONS ARE MONEY, MONEY, AND MORE MONEY..., A MANTRA WELL EXERCISED BY THE
"RE-PUG-NICAN ' ADMINISTRATION...GOOD IDEA ABOUT BILL MOYERS, BUT APPEARS TO ME IS THAT IT IS ANOTHER EXERCISE IN "MUTUAL MENTAL MASTURBATION" AND WISHFUL THINKING...AND , BILL MOYERS DOES NOT FIT THE
MOLD OF A POLITICIAN AS GEORGE BERNARD SHAW STATED :
" ...He knows nothing and thinks he knows everything. That points clearly to a political career. "
IN ALL HONESTY, IT WILL TAKE AN INDIVIDUAL THAT WILL VOW TO SET HIS GOAL TO UPRIGHT THIS COUNTRY IN FOUR YEARS OR RESIGN...HIS CHALLENGES AND SUPPORT ARE NOT THE AMERICAN PUBLIC, BUT THE "NECOMS, GREEDY ELITISTS AND POLICIANS,CORPORATIONS, AND THE SELF-SERVING
AND DO-NOTHING CONGRESS...THESE ENTITIES WILL BE HIS/HER ENEMIES AS WELL AS THE AMERICAN PEOPLE...THE PRESIDENCY IN 2008 AND BEYOND IS MORE OF LEADERSHIP, MORALITY, AND TRUTH THAN IT IS ON BULLSHIT , TURD BLOSSOMS AND THE AMERICAN IDOL... IT IS ABOUT HARD WORK, NEW IDEAS , NOT OLD IDEAS THAT DO NOT WORK ANYMORE...IN MY OPINION. I SEE NO ONE ON THE HORIZON WHO HAS GOT THE WHERWITHAL TO BRING OUR BELOVED NATION FROM OUR DOWNWARD SPIRAL...ISSUES LIKE GAY MARRIAGE, IMMIGRATION, RELIGION IN SCHOOLS, RACE, UNEMPLOYMENT, IRAQ, ETC ARE SMOKESCREENS TO HIDE OUR REAL PROBLEMS - EDUCATION, HELTHCARE, SSA, THE DEFICIT, LAW & ORDER, RULE OF LAW, MINIMUM WAGE,DRUGS,WELFARE FOR THE POOR, MEDICARE, SOCIALIZED MEDICINE, ILLEGAL WIRE TAPS,ETC...WHOEVER IS ELECTED WILL BE A SACRIFICIAL LAMB FOR THE BETTERMENT OF OUR BELOVED AMERICA...REMEMBER :
"Today, there is an inescapable duty to make ourselves the neighbor of every individual, without exception, and to take positive steps to help a neighbor whom we encounter, whether that neighbor be an elderly person, abandoned by everyone, a foreign worker who suffers the injustice of being despised, a refugee, an illegitimate child wrongly suffering for a sin of which the child is innocent, or a starving human being who awakens our conscience by calling to mind the words of Christ: 'As long as you did it for one of these, the least of my brethren, you did it for me' (Matthew 25:40)" (Pastoral Constitution on the Church in the Modern World, 27, Austin Flannery translation)

S+JIM+RODRIGUEZ+++ECLECTICIST SEEKER+++

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Yea, Molly!!!
Posted by: Lyrren54 on Jul 26, 2006 7:00 AM   
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Molly, fantastic idea! I have always such tremendous respect for Bill Moyers - I'm writing him today. The dems desperately need someone to show them how to act like responsible adults with principles (remember those, Dems?) rather than pseudo-American Idol contestants vying for the grand prize - that being to winning the (percieved) popularity contest to take White House.

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Left Right
Posted by: JAXC on Jul 26, 2006 7:11 AM   
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It appears that both the Left and Right are full of hatred toward Bill and Hillary. So what is the difference between them? The Right loves to win, while the Left loves to whine.

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hugh weston
Posted by: Weston on Jul 26, 2006 8:10 AM   
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Bill Moyers is the only person in the public arena who might say, "I'd rather be right, than be the president." and really mean it. I've forgotten to whom that statement was originally attributed, but that's a matter of no consequence. Now, on to the important stuff.

1. If we are to save our democratic republic, we must re-unite our polarized society. We must bring all of our citizens who have been led astray by the political and religious demogogues back into the fold. Bill Moyers is the only person in the public arena who stands a ghost of a chance of accomplishing that goal.

2. Idealy, he will not get the democratic nomination, but instead get an overwhelming public endorsement sufficient to make a run as an independent candidate.

3. This is vitally important for the following reasons:

a. We need candidates who are irrevocably committed
to a PLATFORM of the people, by the people, and for
people.

b. That PLATFORM is the six goals set forth in the
PREAMBLE to the Constitution.

c. Voters should be loyal to that platform instead of a
platform concocted by a bunch of political prostitutes
who have sold their souls to special interests, if
indeed, they ever had a soul to sell.

d. To get the ball rolling, every registered voter should
change their registeration to INDEPENDENT. This
would send shock waves through the political system.

e. All elgible voters who are not registered, should do
the same.

I pray to whatever power that may be, that we as a nation are about to embark upon a course that will lead to the fulfilment of Gary Hart's prediction in his essay "Are The Parties Over?"

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Obama for VEEP
Posted by: LarisaLeighton on Jul 26, 2006 8:18 AM   
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What great things we could do with Bill at the helm! How about Barak Obama for VP? - two articulate, thoughtful candidates that could really make a difference in our policies.

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before i read this article sent sen.max email to check on moyers
Posted by: timeless on Jul 26, 2006 8:30 AM   
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funny really, went to pbs and found moyers part went to it and recalled bill cambell and moyers discussing religion..campbell said religion is religio to again connect the spirit with the body. so go for it bill vote number l right here now ..adios

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D or I??
Posted by: Iconoclast421 on Jul 26, 2006 8:32 AM   
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I think he should run regardless of his chances. Winning is not everything, not by a long shot.

And honestly I don't see how any democrat would vote for a fake like Lieberman or Hillary but not Moyers.

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Gore & Kerry Won / Bush thief
Posted by: alternetleslie on Jul 26, 2006 8:50 AM   
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Sorry, but it really irks me when people say Democrats lost in 2000 or 2004. Just because the Bush press propaganda machine like the GOP Diebold election machine, says Bush won, does NOT make it true. Remember Katherine Harris and Jeb Bush of Florida???? Remember Blackwell and all the fraud and mischief in Ohio??? The GOP quietly put all their people in powerful places, like that important but unvalued Secretary of State office that controls all the election decisions!!! We were so trusting and naive'. Remember the exit polls did not match the official election results for the very first time??? Remember people voted based on values??? Remember how Bush's propaganda machine spun it as George's values when it was really Kerry's values???? Don't get sucked into the false idea that we Democrats are losers or did not win the real vote. This administration is associated with a mountain of corruption, lies!!! And Bush taking and keeping the office is just one example of corruption and lies.

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Dream ticket
Posted by: Doubtom on Jul 26, 2006 9:30 AM   
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I agree that we need a forceful as well as principled leader for this nation, preferably one with a sense of humor, hence I recommend Ivins for president and Moyers for VP.
Moyers can be the soul of the nation while Ivins cracks the few noggins that get in her way. Git er done!

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Wise Advice
Posted by: Tiffany Twain on Jul 26, 2006 10:24 AM   
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Bill Moyers is a man of integrity, wisdom, insight and open-mindeness. A candidate like him would be GREAT for the country.

My respect for Bill is reflected at www.EarthManifesto.com --- writings that advocate comprehensive understandings, progressive undertakings and sane initiatives to courageously address the challenges facing the world.

Please check out, in particular, the essays on that website entitled "A Declaration of Interdependence: Comprehensive Global Perspective"!

The Establishment is wrong-headed ... let's rebel, and come together to advance intelligent, fair, sustainable, and far-sighted ideas!!

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New Movement Needed!
Posted by: adam21 on Jul 26, 2006 10:36 AM   
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Approve of Bill Moyers (and many other responsible and moral persons/leaders), but not on Dem ticket. Dems are a part of the system which is corrupt, corrupt, corrupt. Need a new citizen based MOVEMENT/PARTY that works for the "common people" of the nation, to crush and eliminate once and for all time the two party (really one party) minority rule in our nation. This minority does not represent the people anymore except in very perfunctory and hypocritical ways. The present system is self serving, not constituent serving.

We can do this between now and November 2008! Who will join? All responsible, thinking, and moral Dems and Reps, progressives, independents, registered and unregistered non-voters, etc., who now, HAVE NO PLACE TO GO. They will all desert the the two major parties, leaving only the 'party hacks' to stew in their own corrupt stew. All we need are some talented and courageous leaders to intitiate the overthrow process, with non-partisan and NGO group support and enablement, and the commor people will flock to such an effort. NOTHING WILL STOP US IF WE GET OUR ACT TOGETHER!

THE TWO PARTY SYSTEM AS THE BULWARK OF U. S. DEMOCRACY IS DEAD! IT'S JUST WAITING FOR WE, THE PEPOPLE TO DECLARE IT SO, BURY THE BODY, AND REPLACE IT WITH A NEW CREATION. LET'S DO IT!

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Where's the first Brave Democrat?
Posted by: scajomar on Jul 26, 2006 10:50 AM   
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For months I've been reading the words of other progressives who speak disparagingly about spineless elected Democrats and their political ineffectiveness. Is there no elected Democrat at the Federal level who can hear this populist mandate for an outraged and outspoken politico to stand up and speak out? Moyers, Obama, Ivins are all great; but, hell, I'd sit up and pay attention to anyone with the courage to speak truth without spin these days. Rep. Barbara Lee of California does a great job, but we need a Big Name, a high-profile, well-connected, inside-the-Beltway veteran to Shock and Awe the American public with some straight talk. This might get the ball rolling and give courage to other Democrats to stop being so careful with their words. It's obvious we are a "market" hungry for this kind of political "product." Why isn't anyone making moves to capture the allegiance of this motivated segment of the voting public?

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Russ Feingold has a spine
Posted by: mke_jim on Jul 26, 2006 11:54 AM   
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He voted against the Patriot Act. He voted against the war. He is running for president. Support Feingold.

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Give the radical christian funda-mental-less republicans something to really worry about.
Posted by: nim1 on Jul 26, 2006 12:07 PM   
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Right guy, wrong job. Run Mario Cuomo for president and Bill Moyers for veep. Two brillant, articulate, honest, fair-minded men. If Bill Moyers could get a national platform, such as the presidential campaign, he could influence even the dim-witted funda-mental-less and give their Dominionist handlers a man of reason and intelligence to contend with. Moyers could bring sanity back to the White House. Cuomo is exactly the liberal who is needed to restore the Constitution.

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Leave Bill alone.
Posted by: ssegallmd on Jul 26, 2006 1:28 PM   
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It would break my heart to see Bill Moyers swift boated. I have NO confidence in the American people not to be their demagogues' dupe. He would be visciously trashed like B Clinton, H Clinton, Gore, Kerry, Murtha, Sheehan, Daschle, Pelosi and Reid.

Moyers would be remembered as an egomaniac who invented the internet, was responsible for fixing up love canal and was the inspiration for "Love Story"; or a french sounding and looking flip-flopping military fraud.

No thanks. You'd have to be self-loathing to endure all that and then a fixed election to boot. Worse if he were threatening to win: they would Kennedy-Kennedy-King-Malcolm on some grassy knoll outside of theLorraie Motel in Memphis after a presidential primary speech seen at the Ambassador in LA>

Leave Bill alone.

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Here here, and
Posted by: fifthworld on Jul 26, 2006 1:45 PM   
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I'll add some random cabinet nominations just for the envisioning of it...

Harry Belafonte (VP)
Kinky Friedman (Sec'y of State)
Stephen Colbert (Press Spokesman)
Dennis Kucinich (Defense) (?)
Chris Hedges
Jim Hightower
Noam Chomsky (Sec'y of the Ulterior)
Paul Krugman
Michael Parenti
Cynthia McKinney
Barbara Ehrenreich
Karl Rove (with toupee) (floor mop)
Dick Cheney (with toupee) (Deputy floor mop)
closet full of shackled neocon fascists (toilet paper reserve)
Hillary Clinton (door jam)
Joe Lieberman (dart board)
Al Gore (Audio Visual Director)

How'm I doin'?
-Former NYC mayor Ed Koch

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Oops I forgot
Posted by: fifthworld on Jul 26, 2006 1:51 PM   
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George Carlin as Ambassador to Israel, until morale improves. Those vicious shitheads.

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Going to Center means moving the goalposts! Remember Clinton?
Posted by: maribelle on Jul 26, 2006 2:18 PM   
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No more going to center! Clinton did some great stuff but damnit, he willingly moved the goalposts to the way too far right. If this country lurches any farther to the right the whole thing is going to fall off into the ocean. (literally and figuratively --think global warming.)

To hell with Clinton 2, the sequel. Now, thanks to her husband helping heave the whole country to the right, she's a "moderate" by supporting flag burning amendment and war in Iraq.

I liked Hillary when she was trying to get medical insurance for poor kids. These days, she thinks killing poor kids in Iraq and Lebanon is acceptable collateral damage to advance US interests. Sigh. How the mighty have fallen.

I love the idea of Bill Moyers--what a great suggestion, Molly. And he needs the to be backed by a young, likeable, insider and up and comer--like Obama or Jonathan Edwards.

~maribelle~

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Wow! What a great idea!
Posted by: Mary Eman on Jul 26, 2006 3:04 PM   
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This is the best idea I've heard in the past couple of years, bar none! Molly, would you be willing to run on the ticket with Bill?

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I second the motion ...
Posted by: ljsullivan1166@earthlink.net on Jul 26, 2006 6:13 PM   
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YES!!!!! and I like Ed Koch's list of recommendations, too ... Maybe Chris Hedges to head up a new Dept. of Peace? (He wrote, 'War is a Force that Gives Us Meaning', a critique of war'.)


Jim Hightower ought to in there somewhere -- court jester? Speaker of the House? Supreme Court?


We could get a write-in campaign going, even -- we have over two years to spread the word. This would be the revolution we need, no doubt about it.


On another matter -- Barack Obama. Folks, I hate to break the news, but he is being "mentored" by Joe Lieberman -- and he is already sounding Bushier -- about the war, for example; and globalization. And in case any of you are still deluded about 'globalization', please -- read John Perkins 'Confessions of an Economic Hit Man' and Greg Palast's 'Armed Madhouse' and 'The Best Democracy Money Can Buy'. There are many others.

Concerned about immigration? Study globalization. Concerned about the economy? Study globalization. Concerned about loss of civil liberties? Study globalization. Concerned about fraudulent elections? Study globalization.
Concerned about perpetual war, torture, violation of the Rules of Warfare? Study globalization. Concerned about consolidation of the media and suppression of the news? Study globalization. Concerned about global warming? Study globalization. Concerned about violations of the Constitution and Bill of Rights? Study globalization.


You are NOT going to get the facts on the 6:00 o'clock news. We all need to get MUCH better informed about what this Beast, Globalization, is REALLY about and what it is doing to the sovereignty of nations, including our precious country -- and to the impoverished people of the world.


Globalization is the 'umbrella' issue that explains all the crazy stuff that is going on 'down below' it. It is what motivates the behaviors of our seemingly insane government and its attitudes toward others -- once you understand it, you will recognize that everything they have been doing, however badly executed, is an attempt to fulfill the goals of the Globalization Masters, the Elites who are really running the planet. If you are anywhere near a showing of Aaron Russo's latest film, opening July 28 in a few venues, mostly in the East, but one in Texas, I think, see it -- 'America: Freedom to Fascism'. It is an expose on the phony 'Federal Reserve Bank' and the income tax. Moyers would know about the globalization stuff, I'm sure -- and he would tell us the TRUTH about it.


And elect Moyers and Ivins and those marvelous other real Americans, and we will really take this country back. Draft 'em if we have to. Let's disprove from the grassroots up that all it takes is MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY MONEY AND REALLY CONVINCING LIES.

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Let's Get Serious
Posted by: Vani on Jul 27, 2006 5:20 AM   
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I'm all for articles written in fun. But this article goes too far and underplays or minimizes the importance of too many things. Its tone is too ironic and offhand. First of all, Bush is not befuddled. He is a criminal. A heinous, sick person who is deliberately KILLING human beings. He has placed nuclear "arms on the table" for use against Iran and other non-white, non-Christian nations. Former four star General Wesley Clark, in his book "Winning Modern Wars" wrote the following:

As I went back through the Pentagon in November 2001, one of the senior military staff officers had time for a chat. Yes, we were still on track for going against Iraq, he said. But there was more. This was being discussed as part of a five-year campaign plan, he said, and there were a total of seven countries, beginning with Iraq, then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Iran, Somalia and Sudan
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How can a person who is planning to attack passive nations be other than a dangerous, inhumane menace to World Peace? To make statements such as "he is befuddled" is part of a movement to diminish his responsibility for his acts and thereby diminish his acts. Do not let this happen. Please, let's hold him, his administration and all Republicans responsible for the Orgy of Killing that they are sanctioning in the Middle East. They are not befuddled, they are not dumb, they are not undereducated, and they are not under the influence of drugs. They are wealthy, privileged, members of the ruling class of the most powerful nation of the world. These are fathers and even patriarchs who have held powerful positions, both public and private, for decades. They're graduates of some of the finest American universities. They have lead wonderfully enriched lives. Bush's father was president of the United States. These are not protein ber