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More Immigrant Bashing on the Way

By Molly Ivins, AlterNet. Posted July 6, 2006.


House Republicans know a good, divisive election-year issue when they see one.
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While the rest of you were celebrating life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, I was keeping an eye on Karl Rove -- because someone has to.

A "Bush Signals Shift in Stance on Immigrants" headline is the early warning sign that we're about to get an all-out immigrant-bashing campaign for the fall, complete with xenophobia, racism and blaming the weakest, least powerful people in the country for everything that's wrong with it.

House Republicans, who know a good socially divisive issue when they see one, are perfectly happy to blame illegal workers for everything. Trade policy, repealing taxes for the rich, corruption in Congress -- it's all done by illegal workers. Everywhere you look in this society, there's a bunch of people named Gomez and Ramirez, all of them making decisions from the top -- in charge of the Pentagon, heading the military-industrial complex, deciding the rich need tax relief, in charge of this stupid war, making decisions on Wall Street.

What do you mean, the only people you know named Gomez and Ramirez push brooms and pick cantaloupes? Can't you see that everything that's wrong with this country is because of illegal aliens? It's all their fault. The people in charge have nothing to do with it.

Besides, immigrant-bashing is such an old American tradition. Back at the time of the Revolution, many Anglo-Americans worried about the terrible number of Germans engulfing the country (see, Karl?). Since then, we've managed to work up a snit over the Irish, the Jews, the Polish, the Swedes, Bolivians, Bavarians, Bosnians, Russians, Italians, Sicilians, a great variety of Africans, Indians, Pakistanis, Maltese (sorry you missed that one -- the Maltese once overran New York City deli counters), Cubans, Puerto Ricans and so forth.

If you haven't been here long enough to get upset about at least one other group moving in, you must still owe the coyote (as immigrant-smugglers are called). Think of the rich verbal history of ethnic insults -- Bohunks, Krauts, Polacks, Micks.

I don't see why we should stop blaming newcomers for our troubles just because they're not in charge of anything. You gotta admit, prejudice is as American as apple pie. I hear tell these Mexicans keep crossing the border so they can get on welfare and get healthcare and all these goodies. Funny, we don't have goodies in Texas, but they keep moving here to work anyway.

Bush was planning to take a stab at resolving the problem, particularly on the Mexican border, with a guest-worker program. But the House Republicans had a hissy fit, claimed it was an "amnesty program" and demanded harsher measures, militarization of the border, a big fence. Not gonna work, y'all. Build a 50-foot fence, and they'll build a 51-foot ladder. Hire Halliburton with a no-bid contract to build the fence, and it will hire illegal workers to do it.

The catch-and-release program currently run for Mexicans by the U.S. government is damn silly. So what will work? If you want to stop Mexicans from crossing the border to work here, put Americans who hire them in jail. Since the Americans who hire them are also often (not always) large donors to the Republican Party, you will have to take that up with them.

Fixing Mexico certainly does not involve interfering in Mexican elections. I had to laugh at the number of American pundits who solemnly lectured the Mexicans on how their tied election was such a delicate situation for their democracy. Like it never happened to us?

Helping to fix Mexico involves, in my opinion, redoing NAFTA, so that labor and environmental standards can be included. I've always liked Lou Dobbs, who at least cares about middle- and working-class Americans. But to some extent, he's got the immigrant issue by the wrong end. If you don't want Mexicans walking into this country, make sure no one is offering them jobs. You could even pass a law about it. You could even enforce the law. Don't blame them.

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One big happy gated community...
Posted by: JimmyJack on Jul 6, 2006 3:10 PM   
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Why is it that nobody understands that the reason we have so many illegal immigrants is that DHS (and before it INS) is so messed up. With all of the talk about how terrible these people are who won't go through the system legally, how about some talk on why the wait for Mexicans on an I-130 (family) visa can be over 10 years during which time you are not supposed to work. How many of our ancestors would have put up with this to get into the country? Would any US citizen put up with this? Please, people get irate having to wait 5 minutes for a cup of coffee.

We administer a messed up system then want to punish people for going around the system in order to have the privilege to work hard for a better life. These immigrants are more representitive of the American dream than the Americans living in "gated communities" who seem to be deathly afraid of them.

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THe GOP does not want to "divide"; they want to win
Posted by: sheeplepeeple on Jul 6, 2006 5:09 PM   
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Ivins claims here that the GOP is using the immigration issue to divide. No, they want to win at the polls. Why would they want to divide? THey want to win!

And they would never touch the immigration issue unless they absolutely had to. And now that more and more americans are realizing how crooked, deceitful the GOP is, and how the GOP is doing things for the rich, so now the GOP has to resort to actually doing something that the people want--reduce illegal immigration. If they do not do something to make themselves look good in the eyes of the voters, they will lose bigtime in November. So, they have to do something that the people want. And resoundingly, time and time again, the polls show that 65% or more of Americans want to do something about illegal immigration. So in desperation, the gop, needing to win actually does something good for the American workers. It has been a long long time since the GOP has done anything for the American workers. Almost as long as it has been since the Dems did any for the American workers.

Now the Dems will either have to take the same stance on immigration--they could try to put forth a plan to severely punish employers. Sounds good to me. Work at both ends--punish the employers who hire the illegals. And then stop the illegals and the border and deport them.

Ivins drinks from the teat of the Democratic party. She makes hundreds of thousands of $$$ in speaking fees at functions that are funded by the Democratic party and its core client groups. So this is purely a self serving gesture on her part. She and the rest of the overlords of the Democratic party know that the GOP has caught them off guard on this immigration issue.

Neither Democrats nor GOP wanted to do anything about immigration. Why should they? Illegal immigration helps them and their rich cohort. It only hurts the workers of America, and neither the GOP or the Democrats care about them.

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Immigration Lost Dems' the Cunningham Replacement Election
Posted by: fairleft on Jul 6, 2006 6:22 PM   
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Democrat Busby's opponent completely ignored Iraq (Iraq is not even mentioned on his website) and relentlessly hammered Busby over illegal immigration, where she, like most Democrats, takes the politically correct but loser position. She lost by only 4% points, so if she had taken an immigration position that valued US working class citizens more highly than the needs of illegal immigrants (and the corporations and individuals that exploit them) she probably would've won an awesome victory for Democrats in a heavily Republican district. A pretty good summary of the race is at
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20060609/ news_7m9busby.html

Just one example of what the Democrats lose with their pro-illegal stance. Many more losses are in store for us in November. Are all you politically correct Democrats comfortable with two more years of a Republican Congress? Get on the side of the US working man and woman, Democrat elite!

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Alberto Gonzales-Anchor Baby
Posted by: rexvisigothis on Jul 6, 2006 6:56 PM   
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I love me some Gomez and Ramirez, Molly but I'd give them up to send back one Gonzales. I take it you missed Al Gonzales' mumbled acknowledgement that his forebears entry may have been accomplished without benefit of documentation--or is that why your list of innocents is devoid of "gonzaleses"?

Alberto Gonzales, anchor baby....

Santa Ana's revenge.

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» RE: Alberto Gonzales-Anchor Baby Posted by: FedererFan
» RE: Alberto Gonzales-Anchor Baby Posted by: rexvisigothis
» RE: Alberto Gonzales-Anchor Baby Posted by: Pat Kittle
BUSH FLIP FLOPS ON IMMIGRATION
Posted by: Gtrpicker on Jul 7, 2006 2:06 PM   
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I, for one, am somewhat heartened by Bush's change on immigration. I was worried because I had some agreement with him on something and that just goes against my grain, but I did on immigration. But we had to know that he would never stay on board for something that really could help the country, and that really might be the moderate and correct approach. George always runs to the extreme, though, to make sure that his extreme base knows that he is still just as stupid as they are.

We must impeach this monster or America is doomed.

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More Immigrant Bashing Coming Elections
Posted by: Peta de Aztlan on Jul 7, 2006 10:17 PM   
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July 7, 2006 ~ Hola All Humane Beings!
I appreciate the bold refreshing honesty of Miss Molly. I suspect the whole immigration debate will degenerate into a racist free-for-all against Latinos in general and further divide the Divided States. Indeed, racism is as Amerikan as apple pie and comes in all colors and is NOT the exclusive monopoly of White people.

Between the Iraqi and Latino brown-skins this take a lot of racist heat off of Amerika‘s favorite victim of racism: African-American black/dark skins.

White racist Amerika always has to have a non-white group to hate so they can feel at home and know that all is white in the world. All forms of racism are manifestations of an historical psycho-social disease and can often be subconscious unknown to the conscious mind.

Let us speak plainly: ’immigrant’ is a code word for ‘Mexican’ though Mexicans come in all skin colors and many of us have white-skins! We could be sitting next to you in a restaurant with blonde hair and green eyes speaking English eloquently!

Over 40 (forty) million Latinos are already here now inside the USA. Most of us are U.S. citizens and are not going anywhere outside the continental United States. In fact, we are digging deeper into the fiber and fabric of American society. And God don’t scare the White racist males and whisper that many White all-American females prefer the Latin-lover to the same ol’ pale face!! We practice more positions!!!

General Amnesty Is Social Sanity!
Peter S. Lopez ~aka Peta de Aztlan
Email: sacranative@yahoo.com
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» RE: More paleface-bashing dimwits Posted by: Pat Kittle
Immigrant
Posted by: Dboy on Jul 7, 2006 10:52 PM   
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By "immigrant", do you mean illegal alien? Just checking. Rethuglicans are not the only ones capable of newspeak.

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Reyes Tijerina, Your hour is at hand....
Posted by: rexvisigothis on Jul 7, 2006 11:46 PM   
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Still alive, somewhere in Mexico, the vindicator of Guadaloupe Hidalgo is quietly smiling.

There is something truly obscene when the descendants of the illegal aliens who swarmed into Tejas after the Louisiana Purchase, who then rebelled against their hosts because the latter's revulsion at the institution of slavery rendered problematic their continued traffic in human beings, get their asses up on their shoulder because a boundary grounded in a treaty soon traduced is being ignored. Would it be impertinent to suggest that the border be given the same force and effect as the promise of continued rights for the inhabitants of the southwest guaranteed by the treaty under which the territory was transferred--ie, zero?

It sort of goes with the irony of an "english only" movement (learn the language of the place to which you wish to move...) arising in land replete with place names like Los Angeles, Las Cruces, and the like.

In other words: "If you like it here so much, gringo, learn to speak the language"

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America for the Americans
Posted by: rexvisigothis on Jul 8, 2006 12:12 AM   
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Before we get all jiggy with the (now defunct) "guest worker" program, may we not look to Germany for the pernicious sequelae of such a practice?

Just open the damn border, give citizenship to those who want it, give bus tickets to those who don't.

We don't need no braceros, no temps, no guests.

America for the Americans (all of them....)

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I love ya Molly, but your brain is disconnected here...
Posted by: Pat Kittle on Jul 8, 2006 11:06 AM   
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There are very real ecological consequences to mass immigration, and I've probably heard all the denials by now, right here in AlterNet exchanges.

None of them are based on ecology. Perhaps you can set me straight on that, Molly. I welcome your reponse.

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immigrants have already ruined America
Posted by: mwildfire on Jul 8, 2006 6:05 PM   
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They've been at it since 1492, and look at all the trouble they've caused.
If you are 100% Native American, go right ahead and carry on about the problem with immigrants who come here for economic opportunity. Otherwise, please acknowledge that your ancestors did the same thing--therefore YOU have the privilege to claim well-paid jobs here. So now it's time to pull up the ladder?
We can't cure the problem with actions taken here any more than we can stop the drug problem by spraying plants there. We need to deal with demand. In the case of immigration, that means changing the economic policies that keep most Mexicans poor, notably NAFTA and other trade rules. But looks like their election outcome, rigged or not, guaranteees that this won't happen any time soon.

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RE: Immigrants suck
Posted by: kelly.nickell on Jul 9, 2006 4:58 AM   
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White power sucks!

Go, immigrate butthead - to any place you like!

Stupid power!

Contribute today; fuel our country into the next thousand-years with our collective stupidity - who needs oil - we have gas - the gas that makes us the most arrogant bunch of fat tourists on the planet.

After talking to some more folks around the country about the "amnesty" program, it is clear to me that people have little understanding of the word amnesty. I recently met a couple in upstate New York (Schuylerville - home of the first Brit giving up his sword to a rabble-rouser at Saratoga) that were visiting their son there. Their son recently back from Iraq with a full compliment of titanium in his back. They hate Bush and his redcoats with a passion, but the father hates Mexicans more, for what ever reason. For him, amnesty is the catch phrase - brought to you by an ignorant Republican from Wisconsin. How stupid we really are.

While I am sure that your garden variety terrorist might go walk about along our southern border to bring his or her passions into the US of fucking A from Castolon or Boquias, they still have a hundred miles of dusty roads to travel before they encounter their last border patrol station, and at least another 250 miles before they would find something to blow up that anyone would actually miss.

Now, a nice day trip across the Rainbow Bridge (not named for a symbol of another object of hate by the right, but by the actual shape of the bridge into Canada) places you in the fine state of New York, ready to take a trip through one of the hundred and fifty bizzilion toll booths of the New York Thruway system. Of course, customs is ready to kick your ass for not having a photo id or two, and god forbid your passport has a glitch, but hey, just walk on by.

Molly has a point, but I guess butthead does too. As immigrants, we suck. As American citizens, we suck worse, and as citizens of the world, we could suck start a leaf blower.

Bottom line: we suck. Just ask a Canadian customs agent that lives life as a glorified crossing guard what he likes about Americans: not a damn thang, but he can send them home when he's having a bad day.

As Americans we have a tendency to send them home when we have a bad day. Now holster your weapons and get back to picking those strawberries, because your job outlook sucks, you owe more on your credit cards than there is equity in your next three refi’s of your hovel, and we have to pass an amendment to protect our flag because we can’t get it no respect, and butthead needs weed for his bong.

Should we be worried about immigrants? Sure **cough, cough – burble burble** what ever you think – where’s the lighter?

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» RE: Immigrants suck Posted by: kelly.nickell
TROLL ALERT; IGNORE AND CONQUER
Posted by: sirossisofliver on Jul 9, 2006 9:44 PM   
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As you all may be aware, there has been an influx of Morlocks to our site, of late.

With every new Alternet Blog discussion, watch out for the following Neo-Con WingNut Infiltrators:

knocko
rightwing1
NC3
RWcowboy
Phenix
Supercrisp
zvirgil2
resistance6
conservasaurus
butthead

PLEASE refrain from responding to their agenda-driven, NeoCon Drivel in order to prevent them from high-jacking the threads.

IGNORING THESE ACEREBRAL IDIOTS ALLOWS US TO CARRY ON WITH OUR REASONED DISCUSSIONS.

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Stop comparing today's illegals with past immigrants
Posted by: Bobsays on Jul 10, 2006 2:01 AM   
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Hey, Molly! I'm tired of you comparing previous immigrants, who entered legally, to today's illegal immigrants. Yes, it is true the US went through a period of conflict as mostly European migrants learned to respect each other and get along. But all of these migrants arrived legally.

Today's illegals are arriving on a larger scale, are engaged on a large scale in criminal activities, contribute to the violent crime rate, and are a destabilising force in law and order.

That's a different problem, and has nothing to do with race or ethnicity. The claims people make about Mexicans (that they are the sad, downtrodden), have over time of this debate, been proven to be untrue. Mexico itself has an illegal immigrant problem and is far less generous to these immigrants than the US. Most of Mexico's problems stem not from the country's lack of wealth, but from its corrupt political culture - a corrupt political culture that is creeping its way into the US as these people bring the same cultural ways to US society.

Europe has the same problem and has seen its cities transformed into dystopian hell holes where these people settle. The UK, for example, has admitted that years of not addressing the problem has led to the total breakdown of their Home Office, which is now unable to function. That's what happens. Because when you don't draw a line, when you don't say our society has X amount fo wealth and we will ensure all our legal citizens have fair access to it, when you remove the line and spuriously claim all the world's citizens have equal rights to your public goods and rights, then you in fact water it down to nothing.

This suits the interests of businessmen, but it doesn't suit the interests of citizens.

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Training my dog to sit
Posted by: liberazi on Jul 10, 2006 3:38 PM   
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I have been training my dog to sit.
First I starve the dog.
Then I dangle a steak over his head and say "Sit!".
When he jumps up to get the steak, I smack him with a baseball bat. I mean a real slobber knocker. It's great, I love it.
The stupid dog just won't learn how to sit. I get to smack him again and again, and he just keeps coming back for more.

My girlfriend says there is really nothing wrong with the dog, and he is not too stupid to learn.
She seems to think that the real problem is with me, that I am not really trying to teach the dog to sit, and I am just a sadistic bastard who enjoys beating the dog.

She just does not understand immigration at all, does she.

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Molly! An ecological accounting, please...
Posted by: Pat Kittle on Jul 11, 2006 10:22 AM   
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Hey Molly Ivins!

I've admired you as a straight-shooter, but --

You really do owe us an ecological accounting of unlimited population growth in the world's most overconsuming country if you want (defacto) open borders.

If you've ever given it one word of thought, kindly direct us to it. Otherwise, we await your accounting... in the meantime, your immigration enthusiam rings hollow.

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Mass immigration enthusiasts' bluff is called! Surprise, surprise!
Posted by: Pat Kittle on Jul 22, 2006 9:43 AM   
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Well, it's been 10 days now since my previous post, and it appears "kelly.nickell" was bluffing after all, to put it delicately.

We have yet to see ONE SINGLE ARTICLE Molly's written about the ecological implications of mass immigration, even though I was told to direct my "attention to her years of writing on it."

And Molly herself and everyone else remains deafeningly silent on the subject.

Which has been my experience with mass immigration lobbyists all along -- they're happy to throw insults around freely, but when it comes to backing up their ecologically ignorant hysteria, not a peep out of them!

Will they chuck this lesson down the memory hole and resume their hysterical attacks?

Or will they have the decency to stop the attacks until they offer an intelligent response?

Time will tell...

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coulio
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coulio
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