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N. Korea and the 'Anti-Missile Missile'

By Molly Ivins, AlterNet. Posted June 30, 2006.


If you think the "military standoff" with North Korea sounds silly, wait'll you hear about the diplomatic maneuvering.
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Y'all, this isn't gonna work.

North Korea is threatening to launch a long-range missile against us, and we're threatening to reply with an anti-missile missile.

Sorry to remind you, but our "missile defense system" does not work. Good old Star Wars flopped again when tested in 2004 -- in fact, it failed to launch. Since then, several tests have been delayed or cancelled due to technical problems. Just because we spend $130 billion on a bad idea doesn't mean we can ever get it to work. The latest Bush budget has $10.7 billion for Star Wars, almost twice as much as Homeland Security is spending on customs and border patrol.

The good news is that the North Korean rocket doesn't work, either. The last time they fired a long-range missile, it went 1,300 kilometers (807 miles) and could not put a payload into orbit.

The Korean missile was supposedly tanked up and ready to go more than a week ago, but, oops, experts now say if that were true it would have been fired by now, since the fuel is highly unstable.

If you think the "military standoff" with North Korea sounds silly, wait'll you hear about the diplomatic maneuvering. As you may recall, the United States refused to have bilateral talks with North Korea on the grounds that A) Kim Jong-Il is a nutcase and B) we were already committed to multilateral talks, including South Korea and China.

This kerfuffle went on for quite some time, but so did the six-party talks. Last year, the North Koreans agreed to abandon their nuclear program in return for a security guarantee and economic aid -- but in the meantime, it has come to doubt U.S. sincerity on these pledges. Hard to see how that could happen with such delicate diplomatic players as Dick Cheney and John Bolton at work.

Whenever I need a good laugh, I just think of Bolton's current title: "Ambassador John Bolton" -- ha, ha, ha. Even better, "Ambassador to the United Nations." While there, he has been making Dale Carnegie proud ("How to Win Friends and Influence People"). Bolton's latest U.N. trick was to pitch a wall-eyed fit over some mild (and justified) criticism by a Brit. Good thing the Brits are our closest allies, at least for now.

I don't mind leaving our relations with the Brits to "Ambassador John Bolton," but do we think it's a good idea to have him in charge of our relations with the nutcase who has a missile with unstable fuel? Then again, we might as well leave it to Bolton, since William Perry, former secretary of defense, a Democrat, thinks we should pre-emptively strike their nuke while it's on the launch pad. Better than trying to hit it in midair, of course.

Republican Richard Lugar, chair of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, has called for direct talks with the North Koreans on the issue, which sounds a lot saner.

As the American Progress Action Fund points out, the real problem is that the Bush administration has no policy on North Korea. "For five years, the Bush administration has been paralyzed over North Korea. Hardliners such as Vice President Cheney, Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld and U.N. Ambassador Bolton have rejected serious engagement in favor of a confrontational approach that has backfired. Over time, North Korea has withdrawn from the Non-Proliferation Treaty, reprocessed fissionable material, increased its nuclear arsenal and is now on the verge of starting missile testing."

Boy, that policy worked out well.

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Star Wars is **NOT** a failure.
Posted by: Crazy H on Jun 30, 2006 11:47 AM   
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It's successfully diverted billions of dollars to GOP campaign donors. DUH!

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Hmmm...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Jun 30, 2006 2:27 PM   
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I guess it would just be a terrible thing for the military industrial complex if we just... oh I dunno... prevented North Korea from launching missles at us be de-escalating, rather than escalating our pointless conflict with them.

One has to ask why Bush needs to create so many hotspots... escalating conflict with North Korea with his idiotic axis of evil schtick then ignoring them for years when they wanted talks. Pulling all kinds of shite with Iran, including whining that their vague "weeks, not months" deadline wasn't being met... and insisting that Iran do this on THEIR timetable... Then, of course there is afghanistan... and Iraq...

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» RE: Hmmm... Posted by: deaudonnee
» RE: Hmmm... Posted by: jeanie
Go for it!
Posted by: thecamster on Jun 30, 2006 3:28 PM   
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Actually, it should be relatively feasible to shoot down N Korea's missile - especially if China, Japan, and South Korea cooperate, something they are all very likely to do. The Korean missile is a) a single missile, b) ballistic (meaning its path can be predicted from seconds into the launch), and c) long range, which means there is all the time in the world to i)work out where to intercept, and ii) get there in time.

In short, if the US cannot shoot down the Korean missile without recourse to prayer, then we need to seriously think about how we are awarding and managing these high-tech projects, and maybe ask for a refund.

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» RE: Go for it! Posted by: tuff_bird
» RE: Go for it! Posted by: thecamster
Is this another anti-California joke?
Posted by: Sojourner on Jun 30, 2006 10:22 PM   
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Remember the movie "1941" (?) after Pearl Harbor, with the Japanese sub off the coast of Los Angeles and the military tripping all over itself and falling down (and John Belushi in the open cockpit bi-wing airplane, with the scarf and goggles)?

Cut to the periscope where the Japanese mariners are exulting over being able to see Hollywood. And the West Coast military commander, the only one with any sense, goes to see a movie until the fuss is over with. Unforgettable.

Back to the present day. Missiles that are only good as sky rockets. On both sides: Sabres rattling, medals clanging, mustaches quivering. Best Kabuki this side of Tokyo. And as with the Noh plays, it is necessary to pay attention to what cannot be seen. What's really happening is shadow.

Since we have not voted for a GOP president since Reagan, it looks like The Shrub is willing to turn California into the Space Wars guinea pig. If the North Koreans can get it here, Californians deserve what they get. Only good for just another anti-missle missle test.

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» Lighten up. Posted by: Sojourner
Star Wars may not work, but ABMD does work
Posted by: dcviper on Jul 1, 2006 12:20 AM   
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I just have to point out a falsehood in the article. While not technically incorrect, it is misleading. The so called "Star Wars" system of the 80's does not work and never has. However, the US Navy's Aegis Balistic Missle Defense system does work. Several Months ago, USS LAKE ERIE (CG 70) shot down a ballistic missile in the terminal phase.

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» AEGIS? Posted by: ssegallmd
» RE: AEGIS? Posted by: rightwing1
Just Talk to the Crazy Bastard!
Posted by: sirossisofliver on Jul 1, 2006 8:25 AM   
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How many times has Kim Jung Il (son of Mentally-Il) rattled his tired old nukey sabre?

The North Korean economy is a basket case...it's people are really in dire straits. Kim wants to maintain his control by being in the lime-light (Iraq and the War on Terra are claiming too much air time.

Shrub won't talk to Kim unilaterally....Kim doesn't want to talk to the Chinese, Japanese, Australians, etc.....because they aren't going to give him the money to bail NK out.

It's the same "anti Commie" bullshit attitude that we have against Cuba (also a basketcase with a doddering old fart at the helm); of course we're delighted to deal with the Chinese Commies and the Vietcong....go figure.

Shrub should just sit down and talk to the crazy bastard.....rustle up some "aid", and become his "banker".....just like the Chinese have done with us.

I personally feel absolutely no threat from Pyong Yang (or Pu-tang, or whatever)....now Washington DC?....that's a different nightmare.

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....and another thing....
Posted by: sirossisofliver on Jul 1, 2006 8:30 AM   
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Molly, please run for president in '08

'nuff said!

A fellow Left Liberal Texan

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Serious trouble
Posted by: paschn on Jul 1, 2006 8:20 PM   
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The Fact that Swinebush;
was able to dupe the US sheeple into invading Iraq, and will VERY well pull it off again with Iran and

stole 2 elections with immunity and

has not had ALL his assets frozen prior to handing him over to the world court for war crimes prosecution and

after all the evil, illegal and murderous things this draft-dodging coward is responsible for and

still has over 25% of the US sheeple supporting him, tells me there's a bunch of really really gullible fools standing in the shadow of the US flag.

This, coupled with the fact that no one of any consequence has stepped forward and suggested NATIONALIZING energy so we can;
A.) ear-mark some of the booty to set up some form of socialized medicine and
B.) ear-mark some of the spoils for legitimate research on renewable fuels and
C.) use a portion of the spoils to set up a NON partisan fund to either help pay for or pay for outright corporate free elections / re-elections.

All this makes me feel extremely sad for the future of us all.

A nation of sheep, ruled by a cartel of whores, controlled by big business....Welcome, to the REAL Evil Empire.

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» RE: Serious trouble Posted by: rightwing1
World Experience and Korean Culture
Posted by: Eithne on Jul 4, 2006 5:18 AM   
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Something that the current administration just does not seem to get is that in Korea, there is no such thing as backing down, even in the face of insurmountable odds. In Korean culture the only option when threatened is to become more aggressive.

Despite his image in the western media, Kim Jong-Il is not crazy, at least not when viewed in the context of his culture. He does display what one wit has dubbed coyotenoia, the accurate perception that everyone is out to get him.

Bush's experience with the world outside the USA before he was elected to the White House was exactly zilch and it shows. Unfortunately he's no longer a private citizen whose ignorance affects only himself. Six years of Bush and over fifty years of careful diplomatic maneuvering has been almost completely destroyed.

You'd think after seeing just how badly things have gone in Afghanistan and Iraq, Bush would be reluctant to take on a country with a four thousand year old warrior culture.

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Read 'army centered thought'
Posted by: Bobsays on Jul 4, 2006 8:36 AM   
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I agree Bush has a lot wrong with him. But in terms of the outright craziness of Kim Yong Ill (Kim Yong 'mentally Ill), he laid it all out in his great work: Army centered thought. I bought a copy of this from some of his sheepish agents when I was doing some of my dark work in an unnamed asian nation.

They sold it to me for five American dollars, and seemed as happy as the sad guys could be for the cash. I guess they got to eat that night.

I read the book on my flight back home. The plane was packed with Americans making big mullah in the oil industry, so the atmosphere was perfect. The book is like Hitler's Mein Kampf. It lays out Kim's grievences against the US, and calls for his society to be wound tighter than a nun's garter in its 'war' against US imperialism. It talks openly about blasting the US off the planet.

Now, you may say Kim is just a syphaletic fruitcake who likes little girls: and you would be right. But he is still a fruitcake with a huge army, nuclear missiles, a hair up his ass about the US, a brainwashed population, cruel tendencies, a history of doing many things that would go against fomenting an image for the country of reasonableness. I would take his threats seriously. He was sent up brilliantly in the film Team America (by far the best film of the 21st century so far), but he really is THAT crazy.

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We should be glad they don't have the Q Bomb
Posted by: Artkansas on Jul 4, 2006 2:21 PM   
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Just look at what happened when terrorists from Grand Fenwick attacked New York.

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a thought for Democrats
Posted by: ivins smoocher on Jul 4, 2006 3:51 PM   
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This is my final and heartfelt message to the fine authors and posters at Alternet. My normal nick, "vespasian01," goes unused for this note. Since my post last week to Molly's 'Cutting & Running' article, the folks at Alternet HQ have informed me I am no longer able to post on their boards. The offensive language I used in my anti-war parody was too much for them. Can't say I blame them. Though a libertarian, I'd like to leave a nugget of wisdom for Democrats, including lovely Molly, on the upcoming elections of '06 and '08. As John Kerry discovered, careful wording won't cut it. Parsing your language won't win elections. Permitting others to instruct you on which words may be used won't win anything. Get strong. Get aggressive. Your opponent will be.

Peace, v

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and they would launch a missile at America because....
Posted by: may261989 on Jul 4, 2006 6:03 PM   
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Doesn't anyone really consider the idea of N Korea launching a missile at America simply implausible?

Unless a country such as N K has an annihilation fantasy on a national scale, surely the very real threat that they will become the country formerly known as North Korea if they were to attack the U.S is enough to detract them.

We tend to focus on the leader, their ability to launch an attack etc.... yet we never talk about why they would do it.

Maybe its just me, but I would think the prospect of your whole culture being wiped off the planet might just be enough to deter one from attacking the biggest bully in the world.

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darby1936
Posted by: darby1936 on Jul 5, 2006 9:43 AM   
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Mutually assured destruction has worked since the Russians acquired nuclear capability in 1949. I guess its only problem is it works and precludes the need for an expensive "star wars" program. Of course fiscally conservative Republicans have yet to meet a defense contractor they didn't loooove. The talking heads, ex military, ex CIA., etc. on the cable can be trusted to keep us all sufficiently scared. Never mind the missle that is supposed to be able to hit the U.S. didn't last 40 seconds. This administration refuses to talk directly to North Korea or Iran. The nuts running those two countries have as much of a grasp on reality as Bush or Cheney. God help the world.

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Gullibility abounds here!
Posted by: jpinder on Jul 5, 2006 1:03 PM   
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Why the hell would Korea attack the US? Think about it, geez you Americans are hilariously gullible. The only nation that is truly feared by all is the USA. Every war tool that was invented to kill was used by you. You don’t seem to fucking get it!!! YOU ARE THE THREAT! When I mean “you”, I mean the ignorant. As a Canadian I wish we had nukes.

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» I'm just wondering... Posted by: JoshuaLudd
» RE: I'm just wondering... Posted by: Eithne
» I wish Canada had Nukes Posted by: sirossisofliver
GEORGE BUSH IS AN EVIL PIG
Posted by: Buffalo Phil on Jul 16, 2006 5:29 AM   
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So is his cabinet. So is father, his mother, his wife, his children. All of them are evil pigs. The Evil Pig In Chief has sent this country and the world into a chaotic mess of murder and thievery wrapped up in some stupid red white and blue bullshit lies about democracy and freedom. George Bush is an Evil Pig and so is anyone who supports his insane reign of terror.

buffalophil51@hotmail.com

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zorro
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