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Iraq: A Grudge Worth Holding

By Molly Ivins, AlterNet. Posted June 13, 2006.


Morale, my ass. It's time the antiwar side in this country started using a few threats of its own.
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Iraq and the media, the media and Iraq -- over and over. Last week was supposed to be a good media week for Iraq -- Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was dead. Taken out, we said, by a combination of American and Iraqi troops with Jordanian intelligence.

The churlish might note this was the second time the American military had announced Zarqawi's death -- but, hey, we've announced the capture of Osama's No. 2 guy at least seven or eight times. Others claimed Zarqawi was never that important to begin with, indeed had been built up by our side. Still, that's a goal for our side, as they say in World Cup play.

Then reality got a bit bumpy. Zarqawi wasn't exactly dead when we found him. We put him on a stretcher and cleaned him up -- the fog of war intervened. I distinctly remember people predicting the first time we killed Zarqawi that it wouldn't make much difference, so I presume they did it again.

Thus, we get to revisit the old cackle over whether we are fighting international terrorists who have flocked to Iraq or a native uprising against our occupation of the country. Can't even agree on what's going on. I'm so used to one side saying this and the other side saying the opposite that I didn't even blink over the differences.

I did, however, come to a screeching halt over the right's reaction to news of a triple suicide at Guantanamo. A great chorus of, "How dare they?" seemed to follow this dismal news. My local paper said, "Detainees hid their plans to die ... Guantanamo officials were fooled ... Inquiry looks at how to prevent other deaths."

Now it seems to me one might have any number of reactions to news of suicides at Guantanamo, but righteous indignation is not one of them. Most of these prisoners have been held for four years now without possibility of charge, trial or parole. I should think they would be suicidal.

I'm sorry we failed to prevent it, but I'm not sure that's possible. "They hid their plans to die?" Gee, the sneaks.

You know what? This is getting silly. The debate over this war is unrealistic and even ludicrous. A) It is not going well. B) It keeps getting worse. C) Yes, it is possible that if we stay there long enough, it will get better eventually. D) There is no evidence suggesting that beyond hope.

A particularly acrid growth from this fruitless debate is the contempt for and dismissal of public opinion in other countries. "So what if we have alienated public opinion in nations throughout the Middle East?" seems to be the attitude. "Who cares what they think?"

If I wanted to win a global war on terror, I'd sure be concerned about what they think. I would hope the right would at least be concerned over the damage being done to the American military by this war.

Morale, my ass. Excuse me, but our government doesn't even seem to be able to pay these people on time. Not to mention stretching them past the breaking point in Iraq, leaving them without adequate mental care when they come home, endlessly extending their tours, bribing them to re-up, and so forth and so on. Then, of course, something like Haditha happens, and they all get a black eye out of it.

I think it's time the antiwar side in this country started using a few threats of its own -- specifically, about who's going to take the blame for this when it's over.

Forget the liberal tradition of forgiveness. I say, hold this grudge.

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"Who cares what they think?"
Posted by: Crazy H on Jun 13, 2006 12:09 PM   
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Seems to be a popular refrain with the disloyal opposition.

Here's a clue: people who like us don't fly airplanes into buildings.

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perpetual war
Posted by: timg98376 on Jun 13, 2006 12:23 PM   
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I think a point is being missed here with the question of "when it's over..", George Perpetual War Bush and his gang of thugs have no intention of ending this cycle of violence and profiteering.

The war profiteers might see a dip in their booty, the neocons might have to schedule another war to send more troops to die for Zionism, the outrageous and illegal acts of the Bush administration would no longer be able to hide behind the "we are at war" propaganda.

Without the boogey man of national security to scare people with, GPWB might actually be called to answer as the war criminal he is.

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For reference
Posted by: 7 Levels on Jun 13, 2006 1:48 PM   
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I, too, remember hearing Zarqawi being killed twice now but can't track down the other reference. Can anybody point me to these sources ?

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» RE: For reference Posted by: RoryB
Slightly off topic but...
Posted by: 7 Levels on Jun 13, 2006 1:51 PM   
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Does anyone recall Monday, Sept 10th 2001 morning broadcast on NPR about army bases beefing up security "for no specific reason?"

I really do feel like Winston Smith.

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» Look down at SEPT 10 Posted by: 7 Levels
He was alive when we captured him. Hmmmm
Posted by: Artkansas on Jun 13, 2006 2:03 PM   
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Think we can get a fair and honest autopsy for him? Perhaps the fatal wound occured on the stretcher?

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dont feed the trolls.
Posted by: may261989 on Jun 13, 2006 5:52 PM   
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nothing more to say.. he'she is not worth the effort.

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i agree will molly
Posted by: saywhat? on Jun 13, 2006 7:53 PM   
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there is absolutely no reason to compromise principles on something that is not right, it's evil , we are becoming monsters

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Whew!
Posted by: clntbrtn on Jun 13, 2006 8:11 PM   
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"If I wanted to win a global war on terror[...]"

Obviously, you don't.

We are quite fortunate you aren't the person making policy, but the people WE elected are doing what WE elected them to do.

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» RE: Whew! sickofsleaze Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
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For CEO GWBush, Iraq was just another 'hostile takeover;' it's what business is all about.
Posted by: Sojourner on Jun 13, 2006 8:39 PM   
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Maybe it's something he learned in the Texas oil business: It's a whole lot more productive to steal someone else's oil field than to find your own.

Yes, Molly, you're right about the horrendous ugliness of the US today. What bothers me most is that we've been here before: Vietnam. Whoever said it had it right, "If you can't learn from history, you're doomed to repeat it."

I was the object of the cat calls in public and the vicious anonymous night time telephone calls during Vietnam. When a war goes on this long and this badly, people begin to chew on each other. Then when the years pass and it is clear that Vietnam was a terrible foreign policy mistake, one is left only with self-satisfaction. The peanut gallery never stops clamoring.

Good to hear you looking forward to a time when the patients are no longer in charge of the asylum. We have a huge mess to clean up. But the real patriots will be there to pull it together and to pick up the pieces--as soon as the destructive demolishers have been sent back to their kennels.

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» You mean, "What Me Worry"? Posted by: Sojourner
Be reassured brethren, God has spoken
Posted by: vespasian01 on Jun 13, 2006 10:44 PM   
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Pax Geo II has many friends, some of whom are preachers proclaiming that God has revealed His Plan. Mostly, this plan runs very close to Republican policy. And Lo, this very Night, God has spoken unto me. He has informed me that, indeed, Pax Geo is faithfully following the path to a more decent and enlightened world.

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» RE:God has spoken Posted by: AlienSlave
This article has already been written 60,000 times
Posted by: nbrown on Jun 14, 2006 3:00 AM   
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Nothing new.

As for threats, how about withdrawing support for the Democrats? They vote to fund the war overwhelmingly. Put up or shut up. I'm already committed to not voting Dem this November.

If you're against the war, it's insane to vote for a party that funds the war.

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Comments too light
Posted by: kgs1947 on Jun 14, 2006 3:49 AM   
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The author's comments in this article are too light-weight for my comfort. This isn't a college debate going on. This has to do with lives, credibility, deceit, dirty politics within the White House, torture, destroying civilian and military lives. Bush's assine grin on TV over in Iraq was not only stupid, but ludicrous and pathetic. He is such a fuking ashole, but that's being too polite. He is dangerous and a terrorist in his own right.

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GOOD ARTICLE, MOLLY!
Posted by: resistance6 on Jun 14, 2006 4:38 AM   
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When Molly says that if we're trying to win a global war and the whole world hates us, this shows we're not doing well -- that hits the nail on the head.

But the truth is, the neoCONs WANT THE U.S TO CRUMBLE.

They are traitors. Ann Coulter ought to write another book about Traitors and talk about the neoCONs.

The desire to bring in the New World Order cannot come to pass with a strong United States of America.

Ergo, destroy us. Destroy our economy, inflate the money right into the stratosphere, and incite the Planet to arm itself against us and dump their nukes on North America until we are just a pile of radioactive cinders.

Some might even call it the judgment of God.

9/11 was an inside job. Our own government is our worst enemy. What worse judgment can there be?

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good people
Posted by: rsaxto on Jun 14, 2006 5:40 AM   
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What do good people do about bad rulers like the Bushies? They impeach them and throw them in jail. The problem here is that most of the folks in Congress who need to do the impeaching are bad rulers also. We got into this mess by believing ridiculous propaganda from politicians and corporations. Get rid of the surplus of propaganda-spouting politicians and replace them with believable folks. And if they brazenly steal another election, fry their asses and throw them in jail.

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» RE: good people Posted by: Doubtom
» RE: good people Posted by: AlienSlave
We.....Winner takes all
Posted by: Rabblerouser on Jun 14, 2006 7:24 AM   
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The notion of "winner' takes all in this country. You probalby also agree with what Goergie Pordgie said after the election about his 'mandate' (and he wasn't talking about Cheney-He wouldn't date an idiot). The country was pretty evenly split. It isn't any more. What was it you wanted them to do? Use chemical weapons? Run a secret Government? State the laws they will obey..maybe? Overturn and gut Habeus Corpus? Lie about why they go to war? Kill our armed forces for God knows what reason(hint: It's not about WMD). You are a madman. Try being an American first and a Republican second..it might get you somewhere outside your narrow black and white world view.

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True, but...
Posted by: guleblanc on Jun 14, 2006 7:57 AM   
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Many people who don't like us also don't fly airplanes into buildings. Some of them vote for Hamas, some of them vote for Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in Iran. Some of them, apparently, heckle John Bolton at Oxford until he flees in terror. Some of them throw Tony Blair under the bus, and vote for real Labour candididates, who will disengage from the sorry mess that our misadventure in Iraq has become.

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Things we can do
Posted by: Riverside on Jun 14, 2006 9:03 AM   
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Rants are good,but they don't produce much except a little emotional relief. If we want to get out of this, we need to rebuild the machinery that will allow us to do that.

The machinery is complete, honest, and tamper-proof elections. That means not only do we vote - all of us - but we make sure that all votes are counted and tallied.

Now there are folks in the progressive club who say why vote, it won't count. Well if we let that happen we are history. So we have got to get out there and talk it up and get all of us to vote.

Making honest votes, means we have got to keep a sharp eye on those who certify elections. We do this from the get go not afterwards. In most states, it is the Secretary of State that certifies the votes for each state. Do we know who our state's Secretary of State is? Do we know if they are upright or uptight? In other words, we better certify them before we let them certify our votes.

Yeah, this is hard work. Being free ain't easy, but lawdy is it nice.

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Another Turning Point?
Posted by: hotlipsin61 on Jun 14, 2006 10:44 AM   
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You have to give our government some credit this time. When they paraded Al-Zarqawi's picture before the media he looked as if he was sound asleep. He looked very peaceful, not the face of someone who was blown to bits by TWO five-hundred pound bombs. Strange. I know that photo was altered.
I know something about photography. I can usually spot an altered photo. That one was suspect. Let's remember that five other people were with him when the bombs fell. What happened to them?
But Molly is right. Those who opposed this horrendous invasion need to "make some noise" and stop this madness. We've marched in the streets. Now what do we do? Start a revolution as the Russians did in 1917? (I could be wrong on the date.)
Are Americans willing to risk their lives for this cause? I don't see an American Lenin anywhere, and it's certainly NOT Joe Lieberman.
The Bush Administration called it another turning point in the "war" on "terror." But they've trumpeted that line for years now every time a "terror leader" is eliminated. How many more "turning points" can Americans take? This isn't WWII.
Al-Zarqawi was more of a symbol than a leader of the "Iraqi resistance." He was created by the U.S. government as a icon, or an image, of terrorism. And we know terror can take on many forms and it doesn't have to be homegrown terror.
Iraq is terrorized from within and from foreign powers. It is a country in ruins littered with broken bodies, broken dreams, broken cities, broken hopes, broken roads which paths seem to lead nowhere.
Iraq looks like General Field Marshall von Paulus after being captured in 1943 who was a broken, disillusioned human with a nervous twitch in his face, a man who was broken by man's cruelty.
Well, I've got news for you: American warplanes have taken more Iraqi lives than he did. Haditha, Najaf and Fallujah will haunt us as long as we stay there.
Finally, this conflict has no end. The goals change and the antiwar side must get in Bush's face and spook him.
To borrow a line from Rumsfeld, our side will have a "long hard slog" to end this war. That will be the final turning point.

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» RE: Another Turning Point? sickofsleaze Posted by: ladybug1@carrollsweb.com
Perpetual Dawn
Posted by: gonzoskismet on Jun 14, 2006 4:31 PM   
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Zarqawi's dead. Whoop-ti-freaking-do. How many times? Six, seven. Hell, Cheney's dead but he still runs George and the Government. If the Neo-cons want to impress me, show me some REAL job growth and some Universal Health Care. Otherwise, shut the F**k up! Oh, yeah, and how 'bout some of George's rich ass friends paying THEIR fair share for Democracy?!?!

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» RE: Perpetual Dawn Posted by: gonzoskismet
Peace not Victory
Posted by: ozziechic on Jun 14, 2006 6:21 PM   
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George Bush and his government obviously have complete disregard of the will and Human Rights of the Iraqi people. Whether he believes the vast majority of them to be 'terrorists' or not he has gumption and guile to declare victory when this is so far from the truth. In any humane society it is 'peace' that is the only desired outcome. And so why should any sovereign nation such as Iraq or Afghanistan be any different? Americans and Westerners generally have to stop imposing their imperfect and fallible political systems like democracy on other nations.
'God Bless America', what with more hurricanes and floods? Until the people of America overthrow their undemocratic and corrupt leaders who are jeopardising the peace of the entire world with their unjust and unwinnable 'war on terror', God is not even in the equation.
You must inform Goerge Bush that it is impossible to wage a war on an emotion.
And until the economic reality of the political situation in the Middle East is honestly dealt with, God probably doesn't want anything to do with America except terrorise it!
I actually don't think Israel needs America to survive and thrive and sometimes I think the Americans just interfere and make the situation worse by defending and supporting Israel all the time. I'm sure that the Israelis, along with the 10 million or so Jewish diaspora can quite easily support and defend their own nation against the Palestinian rabble and bickering Arab nations.
Or is this the real Bush motive? To maintain destabilisation and then appear to be needed to sort out the mess?

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Emmanuel Goldstein is dead, now we just need to get Emmanuel Goldstein!
Posted by: SufiLizard on Jun 15, 2006 6:08 AM   
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A month from now we'll have a new boogey man and none of us will even remember who Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was.

That's not to excuse anyone who thinks it's okay to kill innocent people to achieve some sort of political goal. That's just evil and wrong.

It's wrong when al-Zarqawi does it, and it's wrong when Bush does it. And if you're keeping score at home, I think it's clear that Bush is responsible for far more innocent lives than any terrorist (not that they wouldn't catch up if they had the firepower at their disposal Bush has).

So to put it in terms our imperious leader can understand, "Bush is eviler and wronger."

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Chair, CEO, President, and Prime Minister, All In One.
Posted by: Eochaidh on Jun 15, 2006 10:21 AM   
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Hey Molly, you're from Texas, "right?" Consider the possibility that the people who run the world are rich business people. Do you think that maybe, bringing Democracy to the Middle East and "Regime Change" are nothing other than fancy phrases for "Mergers and Acquisitions" by some International Elite?


1. The U.S. is the only Super Power left standing in the world. 2. The U.S. is the most powerful country in the world. 3. The U.S. had the best government in the world with an independently elected two-chamber Congress and an independently elected Executive branch. 4. The U.S. installs a PARLIAMENTARY form of government when it commits "Regime Change," not its form of government. What's with that????

Not to be cynical, but to be honest, the parliamentary form of government is much more similar to the corporate form of governance used by "big business" than is our form of government. Outside of the countries of Venezuala and Italy, the employees of big businesses do not elect their CEOs. The Boards of Directors do. The Boards of Directors are elected by the rich share holders, not the employees. Parliaments elect Prime Ministers who owe their allegience to the majority party in Parliament whose party members were financed by rich people and big business. They do not owe their allegience to the electorate. The same is said about many of our politicians in the Senate and House of Representatives, unfortunately, even though our form of government is less similar to the business model.

The U.S. became the best country in the world by the time of the National Security Act of 1947 because it had, up until then, the best form of government.

Because the U.S. installs Parliaments when it commits Regime Change in spite of its history and because of its current situation, obviously, Regime Change is more accurately called, "Mergers and Acquisitions" and the people of Iraq are less Iraqi citizens than they are Iraqi employees.

The people in the State Department (or is it the Defense Department?) who set up new governments in the countries in which we commit "Regime Change" are either incompetent in Political Science paricularly in the area of American government or they're deliberately setting up corporations rather governments--in the name of Democracy. Are the Iraqi people, Iraqi consumers, Iraqi employees, Iraqi assets, or Iraqi citizens???? Will Haliburton issue its own passport????

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holding a grudge against war supporters legitimate
Posted by: zunes on Jun 16, 2006 10:30 PM   
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The reasons that the Democrats (who controlled the Senate in 2002 and could have blocked the invasion of Iraq) supported the Iraq war is that they thought they could lie about Iraq still having WMDs, vote to authorize the invasion (in violation of the UN Charter and the US Constitution), continue to force the public to pay for the war and, despite all this, people would line up and vote for them anyway.
Unfortunately, they're right. And they will keep on voting for war and lying about the reasons until we stop voting for them. The only way to prevent future invasions is to defeat every member of Congress, regardless of party, who voted to authorize the invasion and lied about WMDs.
Unfortunately, even the PAC for Peace Action, the largest peace group in the country, recently endorsed the reelection of four Democratic Congressmen who voted to authorize the invasion and lied about Iraq still having WMDs. While these four have since called for the withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq, they have yet to apologize for their vote for the war and their decision to lie about a nonexistent "Iraqi threat" in order to justify for a U.S. takeover of that oil-rich country.
Unless and until we stop supporting these liars and war mongers, whether they be Republicans or Democrats, there is no hope for peace.

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Responsibility
Posted by: rwcbanzai on Jun 17, 2006 4:52 AM   
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By golly Molly your quite right. The guy (Bush&Company) in charge should step up and take the responsibility for all the lies and constitutional transgressions and pay up.

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Do we have the will?
Posted by: Gtrpicker on Jun 17, 2006 10:40 AM   
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All the writing and talking about how to get the Bushies out of the White House and into prison is well and good, but what happens if the theft of America has gone so far that fair and legal elections just aren't going to happen? This terrifying prospect is becoming all too real, I can't imagine someone like Bush giving up the power he has accumulated without some kind of temper tantrum.
Jefferson was reputed to have said,"The tree of libery occassionally must be watered with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Will Americans fight another Bunker Hill to stay free, or if they take it away is that all there is? It is a question that has no answer at this time.

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