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An About-Face on Iran

By Molly Ivins, AlterNet. Posted June 8, 2006.


Why is Bush now full of reason, offering to have diplomatic talks with the very people he's been denouncing as beyond vile?
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It occasionally occurs to me that if I could understand the Bush administration's foreign policy, I might like it. After months of threatening Iran with everything up to and including nuclear war, we are now full of Sweet Reason and offering to have diplomatic talks with the very people we have been denouncing as Beyond Vile.

I never mind a good about-face in foreign policy myself. Always reminds me of the times when that great duo Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger decided it would be a good thing to convince the world they were both quite perfectly mad. They succeeded. (Bonus point: What did Richard Nixon say upon first seeing the Great Wall of China? He said, "This is, indeed, a great wall." Almost as good as the time George H.W. Bush barfed on the prime minister of Japan.)

John Bolton is my favorite Bush administration diplomat. He's the one they sent to the United Nations, since he has all the characteristics of a really clumsy bull in a China shop. Ambassador Bolton, his white mustache positively bristling in horror, has assured us over and over that we cannot consent to have diplomatic talks with Iran No Matter What.

Iran's highly unpleasant President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad started uttering anti-Semitic screeds. Condoleezza Rice has been wandering around saying the same thing as Bolton to the European allies, who kept tugging her sleeve and whispering, "Have talks, good plan, we'll do the hard part."

At least Rice realized threatening Iran was getting us nowhere -- particularly since we had already violated the nuclear weapons ban by making a deal with India. The great diplomatic lesson of the Cuban Missile Crisis during JFK's presidency is that one can always choose to hear the less hostile response. Likewise, we can give a two-toned response -- both "no enrichment" and "some enrichment. "

It's so entirely pleasant to see the Bushies actually using diplomacy, one veritably vaults toward other cases where it might be helpful. All of Latin America? China? Denny Hastert? Who knows where this might take us.

And all with John Bolton in the lead, his moustache at full bristle, dropping imprecations upon one and all. I'm telling you, there's a great sit-com in this.

Meanwhile, there is nothing funny about Iraq, as we slide toward being just one more militia in the chaos. I had a slightly insane discussion the other day with a winger who wanted urgently for me to understand that the Haditha massacre is the kind of thing that happens in war. Whereas I was trying to point out to him that the Haditha massacre is the kind of thing that happens in war.

I think we both got that massacres occur in war -- but for me, it felt like a "don't teach your grandma to suck eggs" moment. Why would anyone who hadn't lived through My Lai try to explain Haditha?

I realize it's silly to let really stupid people upset you, but I have had it with the wingnuts who go about claiming that liberals are delighted about Haditha or want to use it for nefarious public relations purposes. Listen, twits, if you can't stop your petty little partisan political games long to enough to recognize Sad when you see it, then shut up.

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Posted by: Smirk on Jun 8, 2006 1:06 PM   
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Amen, Molly!

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Your "old school" standards may be gone forever.
Posted by: Sojourner on Jun 8, 2006 1:06 PM   
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We have not had a straight message from Bush since...well, I cannot remember one. So to listen to what he says as if it meant anything beyond a blast of hot air holds him to a standard he never has accepted and is incapable of even understanding.

It's advertising, where you tell the suck-errr-customer what he wants to hear. Bush has decided that negotiating with Iran is what can sell at the moment. Tomorrow? Well, we'll just have to wait and see.

Truth is that we are used to that in campaigning. Both sides do it. But there's supposed to be a difference between governing and campaigning. Not for the GOP. Gotta keep running for office. It's left over from the days when they used to be the losers.

He is consistent when it comes to behavior: pillage the public treasury, while you lie and deny. Act like the CEO of the world and buy as much influence as is required.

Incidentally, did you see where Humboldt County, California, (forest wanderers there pay attention to avoiding pot growers' booby traps) has voted to deny "personhood" to corporations? I'm giving odds that it will not be contested, because if it gets into the courts, the corps might lose. They'd rather be banned in Humboldt County than canned in the USA

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» RE: corporations "personhood" Posted by: schnoggi
» (Thanks, schnoggi) Posted by: fool-on-the-hill
» RE: (Thanks, schnoggi) Posted by: JayDee
Haditha
Posted by: BLC on Jun 8, 2006 3:17 PM   
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"...that the Haditha massacre is the kind of thing that happens in war..."

Every time I hear an American winger/nationalist/hawk, etc. utter this incredible phrase, the blood in my veins freeze. When I lived in Cleveland, we artist-types drank cheap beer and played "friendly" games of pool in a small old-world Slovenian Tavern in a predominately old Croatian neighborhood. Most of the neighborhood crowd were Slovenian or Croation older folks and politics from home was discussed daily. Two young strangers walked in one evening and joined the line of quarters on the edge of the pool table. They began to talk. The topic was Bosnia. The phrase was almost EXACTLY worded the same when they began to defend the actions (atrocities!) of Slobodan Milosevic... "It is war. What do you expect?! These things happen with war..."

I was speechless then as I am now.

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» RE: Haditha Posted by: Conservativation
» RE: Haditha Posted by: BLC
» Forget about it, BLC. Posted by: fool-on-the-hill
» RE: Forget about it, BLC. Posted by: Conservativation
» RE: Forget about it, BLC. Posted by: Techubus
don't mince your words...!! =)
Posted by: 50566 on Jun 8, 2006 6:09 PM   
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love the straight talk, we peace and love lovers have lost a lot of power and punch from being so pc, so mature, so trying to be patient and understanding. I have found over and over again, there is a time and place for everything. Discernment. That's what we are learning... calling stupit stupit is only wat is called for. else they have a hey day stomping all over us with their pi...

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An about-face with the sword pointed at Iran's throat
Posted by: Chuck Norris on Jun 8, 2006 11:50 PM   
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It's likely just a facade while the military planners in Washington D.C. prepare to invade or even nuke Iran. The U.S. Dollar is sinking faster than you can say "Lifeboats!" and Iran is creating an oil bourse (new oil market) based in euros instead of dollars. So, what will happen if this saga continues uninterrupted? More and more countries will join the bandwagon and dump some to most, or even all of their dollar reserves (Currently, New York and London have control of the oil market and petrodollars are the order of the day.) This will likely cause another depression.

Also, Venezuela is considering following Iran's trail. No wonder why Bush is threatening the harmless country with such heated rhetoric!

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» The short answer Posted by: Uncle Crabby
heaven and hell
Posted by: rsaxto on Jun 9, 2006 4:32 AM   
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I wonder why it is so hard for people to wrap their minds around the fact that war is never heaven and is always hell. Apparently it is because most of us have been so brainwashed by conventional government and other silly-assed departures from rationality that if our side kills it is heaven and when the other side kills it is hell. We need to stop sucking on the tit of lies and start sucking on the much more rational and realistic tit of survival for all of us.

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» RE: heaven and hell Posted by: itchyvet
Great Wall
Posted by: Conservativation on Jun 9, 2006 4:38 AM   
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What would be an "informed" comment when viewing the wall? These days maybe, "sick!" or some such. I could not care less about insults to Nixon, but that one regardless what the target stinks of elitism. The funny thing is, had Bill Clinton wandered up to the wall and actually said , "sick" it would have been greeted with throngs (thongs too) of happy young fans and breathlessly reported by the network news.

But really, should we talk to Iran or not, or just blow on about how we were not for negotiations before we were for negotiations...funny, that has a familiar structure to it, has it been uttered before? Anyone?

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» RE: Great Wall Posted by: Ratskii
That Distant Rumbling Isn't Thunder....
Posted by: Nez46 on Jun 9, 2006 4:53 AM   
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It's applause--rigorous, enthusiastic, standing-ovation,
THUNDERING applause for a piece well-done and on-point.
Thanks again Moll, for telling it like it is.

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Opposites
Posted by: itchyvet on Jun 9, 2006 5:47 AM   
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Well listen up Molly and everyone else here.
From my observations of Bush and his cohorts it's become glaringly obvious to me that ANYTHING they say, eventually the EXACT OPPOSITE WILL BE IMPLEMENTED.
You may call me cynical if you wish, but that's what I've witnessed over the last 5 years, and this issue of Iran is far, far from over yet.

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» RE: Opposites Posted by: fool-on-the-hill
» RE: Opposites Posted by: Solar Wind
I think he has changed because he is in so much trouble in Iraq!
Posted by: Prophit on Jun 9, 2006 6:47 AM   
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They know we will never accept the draft. He is fully aware that soldiers are going AWOL and deserting in record numbers or committing suicide just to get out of there.

He knows we won't send our kids. We will tell them to refuse to go. Those that will support their children going are from the red states and that will decrease his cabals voter base. LOL I thought you might like that one. He knows that the military is screwing up royal and that Rumsfeld has finally had the Alzheimers attack which prevents good military leadership in any war that may come down the pike.

He knows that China and Russia are going to slam the dollar before we are ready to handle it if we attack Iran. They may also slam us as well in support of Iran. He knows that the President of Iran has pictures of Bush with his "friend" Ashe. He has threatened to publish those pictures if Iran is attacked. Yes, there is way too much for him to lose if he steps forward.

What I worry about is Israels response to this diplomacy since that is not what they wanted us to do. Will we have another terrorist attack on our soil to push us into another unwinnable war???? That is why I worry about Israel. AIPAC is sending out money requests to its supporters here in the US to pay for the promotion of that attack on Iran.

Or finally, is it the election coming up???? Timing, that is probably really the reason.

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Shanghai Cooperation Organization
Posted by: AlienSlave on Jun 9, 2006 7:13 AM   
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The SCO was founded in June 2001 by China, Russia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan. Its stated goal was to facilitate "cooperation in political affairs, economy and trade, scientific-technical, cultural, and educational spheres as well as in energy, transportation, tourism, and environment protection fields". Recently, however, the SCO is beginning to look like an energy-financial bloc in Central Asia consciously being developed to serve as a counter-pole to US hegemony the fact remains that Russia and China both want to seal closer cooperation with Iran in Eurasian energy cooperation. The next meeting of the SCO will define a non-aggression pack with all members, the strengthening of military ties and cooperation.

China holds the most in US bonds, Russia Holds the second largest military in the world; Iran, China plus Russia hold the largest percent of the world’s natural gas.

Haven’t you even questioned the sudden sucking up to exterrorist states say Libya, and a few Islamic Asian Islands with oil reserves by the USA? Take a closer look at the realignment of who is and isn’t on the short list of friendly to American oil interest and you will have your answers Molly.
ALIENSLAVE

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The Punt To Worry About
Posted by: Riverside on Jun 9, 2006 9:58 AM   
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Molly, you are so right and also so compassionate. We must not lose that quality.

What really concerns me is that the entire pack at the White House are so inept, immature, and hubristic (my word) that as things start to fall more and more apart, they will punt. The punt is what is truly scary to me. Considering the off-the-wall moves and plans so far, the punt could be a real doozy. On top of that, it most likely will fall short and the United States falls on its face in buckets of yogurt!

Add to this the dimwits in both parties that have completely lost site of reality and recovery from the fall could be long, lonely and unpleasant.

My endless nightmare is that we fall, and I wake up staring up into the grinning face of Tony Blair and the nightmare starts all over again.

So who will save us?

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60's Army Sergeant
Posted by: manannan on Jun 9, 2006 10:21 AM   
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Haditha: spontaneous, 24 dead civilians
My Lai: planned, 506 dead villagers
My Lai: only punishment meted out was 3 1/2 years house arrest at Ft. Benning for Lt. Calley
Haditha: it will be interesting to see what happens

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It's BECAUSE "these things happen in war..."
Posted by: Saintperle on Jun 9, 2006 10:25 AM   
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... that it is such a crime against humanity to start a war on a whim, on a far-fetched design, on a plan to corner the world oil market, or for ANY reason other than, as Major General Smedley D. Butler, USMC (twice Medal of Honor winner) said "ONLY to defend your home or the Bill of Rights."

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It's BECAUSE "these things happen in war..."
Posted by: Saintperle on Jun 9, 2006 10:34 AM   
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... that it is such a crime against humanity to start a war on a whim, on a far-fetched design, on a plan to corner the world oil market, or for ANY reason other than, as Major General Smedley D. Butler, USMC (twice Medal of Honor winner) said "ONLY to defend your home or the Bill of Rights."

General Sherman did NOT say "war is Heck," but to a chief exectuive whose career (as Governor) consisted of playing video games at least an hour a day, it's all "zap they're dead, ok we win."

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AT THE END OF MY CIVILITY!
Posted by: chanceny on Jun 9, 2006 11:52 AM   
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All wars are hellish, but one that is started on a pack of justifying lies, contrived intelligence and total lack of compassion toward our soldiers or 'collateral' damage, only makes it almost impossible to be contemptuous of those who hawk it with such fervor. I hate these fools with the same passion that I hated the racists marching for segregation. They, too, used religious platitudes, quoted their biblical passages and called civil rights advocates devil worshipers. I believe most of these guys (& gals) are the same ones that spit at those marching for freedom, or the next generation of their seed implantations. The hypocrisy is what makes me so hateful. The only reason Bushco even considers diplomacy in dealing with Iran now is that even this schmuck realizes we ain't winning the terra war and our troops will rebel if we again put them in harms' way with no way out. He and his murderous cabal catapult their propaganda to a most willing-to-be-used press and media in general. That platform propels the bs and further fuels their vitriolic hysteria, strengthening their delusion that their cause is 'righteous' and liberals are their avowed enemies on a par with the jihadists. It is impossible to have any rational discussion with these brainwashed, koolaid drinkin twits, so whenever I find myself too close for comfort, I turn off the tv, hang up the phone, cross to the other side of the street or just sing "Blowing in the Wind". Molly, your patience is astonishing! Thanks for another great read!

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» RE: AT THE END OF MY CIVILITY! Posted by: dangerouslysane
IT'S NOT AN ABOUT-FACE. IT'S A DIVERSIONARY TACTIC
Posted by: resistance6 on Jun 9, 2006 12:08 PM   
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Bush and his girlfriend Condi and the rest of the NeoCONs have no choice but to try to APPEAR reasonable, (ie. when Iran is begging us to be reasonable, calling Bush "His Excellency." )

Bush and Company will make impossible demands to Iran, as they did to Iraq, and then attack anyway.

Ray McGovern, CIA analyst during the Reagan-Bush years, said on the Alex Jones Show (GCN Radio on-line) he thinks the NeoCONs will attack Iran in a few WEEKS.

The NeoCONS know when the Dems retake Congress that they will be up for impeachment and jail. They CAN'T let that happen.

This is the most dangerous time in our entire history as a nation.

On the other hand, regarding the Democrats impeaching Bush or putting the NeoCONS on trial for war crimes -- the fact that the Democrats do nothing, do not seize the moment, do not speak up about 9/11 or all the police state the neoCONs have erected proves they are complicit, part of the CONTROLLED ELITE.

So who really knows what will happen.

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You've gotta be nuts!
Posted by: Fang-Face Dreamweaver on Jun 9, 2006 12:23 PM   
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Dear Molly.

It occasionally occurs to me that if I could understand the Bush administration's foreign policy, I might like it.

If you could understand the Bush regime's foreign policy then you'd be at least as schizophrenic as Bush.

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Doubtom43
Posted by: Doubtom on Jun 9, 2006 3:18 PM   
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Molly the 'about face' is the result of clearer minds persuading IdiotBush (yes, that's now one word, look it up) that Iran is not Iraq and to expect a good scrap if he's stupid enough to invade.

A check of our history reveals that we only pick on the small nations, you know much like the school-yard bully. This history of ours is the main reason the world despises us.

The sooner we realize that we don't elect a president of Venezuela, Chile, Bolivia, Iraq, Korea, Iran, Panama, Haiti, etc. the sooner we can pay attention to our own numerous problems at home.

South America is in the process of informing IdiotBush and company that he's not president of the world.

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The great jefmundo, was a great CAT that lived with us his whole life
Posted by: jefmundo@pacbell.net on Jun 9, 2006 9:07 PM   
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Molly,
Go get 'em, the Bush(shrub) guys need to depart to parts unmentionable...............keep it up.

Thanks much, listen to you and read you for years.

Eleanor Proietti aka jefmundo

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Why Iran negotiations?
Posted by: hankgeorge on Jun 10, 2006 8:10 AM   
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Because attacking Iran won't get the job done in November, 2006...and the Diebold voting machines may not either.

What the regime needs to avoid a Democratic House and thus a bill of impeachment, among many other inconveniences, is another "terrorist attack" to assure that the "afraid of my own shadow" American mainstream can rush to tuck its unconscious head under the wing of the Commander-in-Chief. I will be genuinely surprised if we do not see another such event occurring on a timely basis. After all, when times are tough, you go back to what works best. 9/11 got the job done. "Remember the Maine" 'cause it ain't over yet, folks...

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Pat
Posted by: patbnp on Jun 10, 2006 12:15 PM   
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I wish I could trust this new compliant diplomatic posture toward Iran too, Molly, but I can't.

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Our Collateral Damage
Posted by: Riverside on Jun 12, 2006 6:57 AM   
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Regardless of the current Bush Party strategy, as others here have noted, most likely it is a spoof and most certainly will fail, like all the others.

As the failures mount and grow to a super failure, we the people must be concerned about our collateral damage. A lusty but hollow economy, a dead-tired and over-extended military, a divided nation, and a national debt that will take our great, great grandchldren to finally pay off all add up to serious collateral damage.

Additionally, as the failures grow and deepen we do not know what desperate acts the Bush Boys may try, and that too could impose some really painful collateral damage.

Faced with all of the above, why are we so mad at each other when in these times we desperately need each other? Hmm, sounds just like a lovers' spat. So lets chuck the spat and find the love and save both ourselves and America.

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