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Porn 2.0

By Annalee Newitz, AlterNet. Posted May 16, 2006.


Everyone asks what porn has done for the Web, but they never ask what the Web has done for porn. In one San Francisco office, I found out.

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In downtown San Francisco, if you wander off Fifth Street down a small, twisting alley nestled among sky-high monuments to money, you'll find a freshly installed steel door, the glowing numbers affixed to it bearing little relationship to the other addresses on the street. If you're lucky enough to get past the security cameras and locks, you'll find yourself at the edge of a huge warehouse space full of stages and sets.

Climb up the stairs that lead away from the "medieval castle" set, and you're in a huge office space full of computers. People are on the phones, or swapping stories as they return from a trip to the Starbucks around the corner, or gathered in tight huddles around large, flat-screen monitors full of partial layouts. Only the bathrooms offer a hint about what's really going on here. No ordinary office would stock its toilets with an enormous rack of baby wipes, paper towels, and every feminine hygiene product known to woman. This is Kink.com, home to half a dozen of the Web's hottest porn sites.

Everyone always asks what porn has done for the Web, but they never ask what the Web has done for porn. A place like this, full of queer hipsters, geeks, and models, would never have existed before 1995. It certainly wouldn't have looked quite so Ikea.

I've come here to visit the set of Fuckingmachines.com, a Web site devoted to images and movies of women having sex with machines. Usually the machine involves some sort of piston and at least one moving part to which a dildo can be attached. The sensibility is perfectly San Francisco: a cross between high-tech fetishism and sexual fetishism. Tomcat, the site's understated Web master, wears a tie and jeans to the set. With a degree in film and digital media from a large public university, the self-consciously androgynous Tomcat is precisely the sort of hip young professional who is attracted to second-generation Web porn operations like Kink.

Tomcat makes sure the first machine (called "the chopper") is ready to go and picks out a pale blue dildo from a huge, tidy cart that contains -- laid out with surgical precision -- an array of silicone cocks in various sizes, a fanned display of condoms, towels, baby wipes, and several lube bottles. Next to it is a pine cabinet full of carefully labeled drawers containing "large dildos" and "small dildos." A tiny table holds some soft drinks packed in ice, as well as a handful of lemon Luna bars.

"Last week we did an alien abduction scene," Tomcat says. "It was great -- I got to be the alien." Today's model, a tall brunet with a lascivious smile, named Satine Phoenix, arrives in a little dress and fuck-me shoes. Like Tomcat, she's the sort of person who has the education and resources to choose from many careers and has chosen this one because she likes it. "I'm moving to LA to get more work," she says, sipping water. "But I just got into this about six months ago -- I like having sex in public, so I thought, why not do it here?"

Settling onto the chopper, Satine poses and reposes, replaying her naughty grin as many times as Tomcat asks. The scene behind the scenes here is all business. PAs discuss the merits of various lubes and dildos; everyone tries to figure out the ideal position so that everything fits together when the machine starts pumping. Tomcat manages to issue directions in the tone of a nice but task-masterish boss.

"I know it's awkward with your knees and the handlebars, but go ahead and insert it so that it's comfortable," the Web master says. "Now just wank a little until you get off."

"I don't know if I can get off like this," Satine suggests. "I'm too lubey."

"Get some baby wipes for her to take care of that lube," Tomcat directs the PA.

Eventually, using another machine called "the predator," Satine starts screaming in a way that marks this whole scene, again, as something that could only happen in the world of Porn 2.0. She's had a genuine orgasm, the kind of thing you'd almost never see a woman do in porn before the Web took over.

Ten minutes later, still shaking and sweaty, Satine pulls on a robe and stumbles over to the snack table. She falls into a chair and lets out her breath in a whoosh.

"Hard work, eh?" she sighs, grinning at me. "Having orgasms all day?"

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Annalee Newitz is a surly media nerd who's never met a machine she didn't like.

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Wow...
Posted by: Allison on May 16, 2006 3:40 PM   
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Oh my, if only the boys at Slashdot could see you now... (actually, they might, if this article pops up in one of their regular Google searches for "porn")

Seriously, where's the substance? You went to see some seriously f*cked up sh*t like fuckingmachines.com (yes, I'm familiar with it, yes it's really, really weird) and all you can tell us is that some women in porn are actually enjoying themselves? Hell, the only people who still think that all porn stars are weeping victims or drug addicts are religious conservatives (when they're not wacking it to their own collection, that is). After all, if Ms. Phoenix really enjoys a good mechanical rogering that much, she'd have to be an idiot NOT to work in porn. My job never makes ME come...

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» "Where's the substance" Posted by: AdamSelene40
"Substance"? Like on Monica's dress?
Posted by: Sojourner on May 16, 2006 4:20 PM   
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The substance is that “sex in public” used to mean being part of a family in cramped quarters or part of an extended family aboard a ship (many babies were conceived on the Mayflower and every other sailing vessel). Then someone discovered that human sexuality involved such strong feelings that we could be played for fools if told that no one is supposed to know that you have even Carter’s “lust in my heart.” Phony is as phony does. No matter how many books and magazines it sells, nor how many churches it builds, the phoniness shines through.

Other human beings who are sexually excited is sexually exciting, just like yawning. Dolphins, our fellow mammalians, have sex all day long, so I understand. So the problem is that without discipline, we might not get any work done—you know, like those primitives in the jungle. That’s why we need slave masters.

As Freud (copying Nietzsche) tried to show us, human aggression, in some circumstances ain’t so bad. We do deserve some forgiveness if we can’t make sense of the phony culture we’ve inherited. Lies and denial are not conducive to survival.

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Too bad you didn't make it over to Hogtied.com
Posted by: popsicle67 on May 16, 2006 9:35 PM   
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My partner dearly adores Matt Williams who is a rigger there.
Thanks for your article, I always wondered if they really were
in Frisco or if they just dummied that up to look cool.

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"Everyone asks what porn has done for the Web, but they never ask what the Web has done for porn?"
Posted by: medstudgeek on May 16, 2006 10:05 PM   
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Oh, come ON! Everyone knows the Internet has become the single greatest porno mag that ever existed. Not news... the only thing your column proves is that San Francisco is the greatest place on earth. :)

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Pornography: Body Shame
Posted by: ChristopherLL on May 17, 2006 5:16 AM   
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To understand the social and psychological dynamics behind pornography read Pornography and Silence: Culture's Revenge Against Nature by Susan Griffin, 1981. At the heart of those who practice and witness pornography is actually a shame of the body; to the extent that sexaul exploitation is the only remedy for the shame. Sort of pathetic that these adults are really reliving infantile and childish obsessions which of course means they never grow up and mature as complete human beings. A bit sad.

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» RE: Pornography: Body Shame Posted by: deeder25
» RE: Pornography: Body Shame Posted by: ChristopherLL
» RE: Pornography: Body Shame Posted by: HeroesAll
» RE: Pornography: Body Shame Posted by: ChristopherLL
» RE: Pornography: Body Shame Posted by: HeroesAll
» Yeah ... I've been there too ... Posted by: AdamSelene40
» I return your good wishes. Posted by: Sojourner
» Freud's deathbed ... Posted by: AdamSelene40
» RE: Freud's deathbed ... Posted by: HeroesAll
» RE: I return your good wishes. Posted by: YogiBear
Evidence?
Posted by: Erik1968 on May 17, 2006 7:10 AM   
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There's some pretty bold claims in this article, and there's nothing to back them up.

"Sateen starts screaming in a way that marks this whole scene, again, as something that could only happen in the world of Porn 2.0. She's had a genuine orgasm, the kind of thing you'd almost never see a woman do in porn before the Web took over."

Well, how do you know? And more importantly, how do you know Ms. Sateen wasn't also pretending? Do you think that when they heard a journalist was visiting, they decided they'd just be really, really honest? Or could it be that you only got to see what they wanted you to see?

This whole article reads like a paid advertisement. I know Alternet isn't the New York Times, but would it have killed our reporter to interview someone who worked in porn 1.0? Or a former kink.com employee?

Sorry to be a skeptic, but if this had been an ad about Nike 2.0 or Coal Mines 2.0, I doubt this article's thin evidence would have passed muster.

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oh come on
Posted by: T.S. on May 17, 2006 10:48 AM   
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"Ten minutes later, still shaking and sweaty"

Shaking and sweaty 10 minutes after being finished masturbating? I didn't know Alternet published fiction.

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» Fair is Fair ... Posted by: AdamSelene40
Get A Clue
Posted by: delphyne on May 17, 2006 10:56 AM   
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Women being fucked by machines for men to pay to masturbate over! That's fantastic! And gullible journalists who don't ask difficult questions but breathlessly report the prostituted woman's fake orgasm!

Hurrah for alterna-capitalism! Hurrah for sexual exploitation!

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What was really going on
Posted by: delphyne on May 17, 2006 11:09 AM   
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"Ten minutes later, still shaking and sweaty, Sateen pulls on a robe and stumbles over to the snack table. She falls into a chair and lets out her breath in a whoosh."

You've just described someone suffering from trauma, Analee. T.S. is right, orgasms don't make people respond like that but trauma does.

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ascottlynn
Posted by: ascottlynn on May 17, 2006 12:18 PM   
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Since they are also San Fran-based, maybe we could petition the Discovery Channel show "Mythbusters" to send someone to check out the fantastical claims in this article. I nominate Kari Byron!

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» RE: ascottlynn Posted by: DaBear
» RE: ascottlynn Posted by: Graeme
real orgasm?
Posted by: tmercadal on May 17, 2006 1:08 PM   
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Okay, maybe I am being picky here, but how does the author of this article know for sure that the performer had a real orgasm, as she assures? Screaming like a banshee does not prove an orgasm. Sounds more like the usual over-the-top fakeness typical of porn's fantasy genre. Besides, the web has provided the resources to expand porn to unprecedented levels, but there is nothing new here. Technology and porn have been in cahoots for over a century...

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» RE: real orgasm? Posted by: Orwells_nightmare
» RE: real orgasm? Posted by: DaBear
Porn ain't all that bad is the point.
Posted by: Uriahz on May 17, 2006 5:44 PM   
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Exploitation! Infantile obsessions!

Way to spout some moralistic rumblings disguised as political rhetoric and/or 1940s psychobabble. Because honestly, WHO CARES what people do or don't do with their sex lives? I am so sick and tired of people whining about post-feminism being just pandering to men's sexual desires. What about women's sexual desires? Are those not appropriate for discussion? What do women want? And don't give me that tired feminist line about respect and equality-- those are fine as a political stance, but let's not mix up politics and sexuality. Lots of women watch porn, AND they masturbate to it, AND women actually get off making it, AND there's nothing wrong with that! In a culture where the majority of teens now get their sex education from the internet, do you really expect anything less? And if men have the tendency to be proponents of that female sexuality (however it chooses to manifest itself), how is it any surprise that they're the only ones, with other women so ready to call them sluts?

As far as sex in public not being natural, I would beg to differ. Just as a single example among many, among the Aborigines of Australia and Tasmania (before colonialism), it was widely documented that watching the adults have sex was by far the most popular pastime for children, and considered a normal thing even for adults, though they'd be more likely to engage themselves. I won't go into too much detail regarding the other, far more disturbing sexual habits of the Aborigines, but I would like to point out that they as a people were remarkably well adjusted, happy, intelligent, and in tune with their surroundings and each other.

Which is not to say we should model ourselves after them (really, the initiatory rituals would probably make you sick), but that perhaps you shouldn't be so quick to judge what people CHOOSE to do with their lives and their bodies. Calling it exploitation is a sad joke that robs the women involved of their rights to self-determination and self-respect, in that it lays out a moralistic world-view in which no woman could consciously choose such a life. If anything causes the majority of women in the sex industry anguish, it is solely at the feet of those who judge them unfairly. And other women are the principle actors in that judgement. Liberalism means not making harsh judgements of how people choose to live their lives. If some girl wants to find a guy who will abuse her, piss in her mouth, and call her 'it', then it isn't your responsibility or mine to prevent that 'harm'. They have plenty of websites out there just for those sorts of people to network and meet each other, and they are quite happy doing so. Why? Because they are exercising the freedom to live how they think they ought. And completely regardless of whether you or I think it's wrong or exploitative for them to do so, it's a situation where they are very explicitly making their own decisions in that regard, whether they've been programmed to make those choices or not.

Because regardless of how the cultural/political/genetic landscape affects a person's sex drive, the minute you let your political stance invade the bedroom is the very same minute you will fail to get off, and there is no surer guide to personal sexual satisfaction than to abandon all the rhetoric and focus on what ACTUALLY pleases you, no matter what that entails. Old-school feminism largely misses that boat, and thus, we have post-feminism with hip-hugger jeans and belly shirts. A very predictable backlash that happens to have been handsomely coopted and perverted by business interests, just like every other counter-culture that could be reasonably adopted for material gain.

That said, just because the sex-positive moment has been coopted by big business doesn't invalidate the position.

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Has no one looked at Kinsey lately?
Posted by: Sojourner on May 17, 2006 5:49 PM   
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I see nothing in commercial porn that conflicts with his studies. The line between pain and pleasure is a whisp.

The dimension of private versus public sex is a significant difference. As with everything else, however, is it any surprise that some can do it while others don't want to?

That guy who wrote all those books, about reality therapy or ego therapy or something, made the point: anyone who insists that sex be done according to one formula is a fascist.

There can be lots of "don't"s but any demands for "do's" is posturing. Couples work that out by finding what turns them on. Personally, an aroused and satisfied woman is my Garden of Eden. I had to get over thinking I was doing it for her and realize she was letting me help her. No threat to the high.

For those who want some immortal lesson from Newitz's explorations, how about: "Have you heard about this? If you enjoy even a vicarious experience with an aroused woman, you might want to check it out. The fantasy element in sexual pleasure is all part of it."

I'm a longtime fool, so I don't need a 30-day guarantee that the orgasm is "genuine." If she's happy, I'm happy. I didn't even know women were allowed to have orgasms until I was 17. For my generation, sex was a fault of male pleasure-seeking. (Gotta still work on the resentment residue of having been so misinformed. Gotta learn to forgive.)

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» Compared to whom? Posted by: Sojourner
» He did, did he? Posted by: delphyne
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» RE: He did, did he? Posted by: delphyne
Honestly...
Posted by: dave236412 on May 18, 2006 10:21 PM   
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...a woman having sex with a "fucking machine," is on the same page as a man having sex with a rubber doll in my book. And that's all I have to say about that.

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» RE: Honestly... Posted by: L33tminion
We need a part deux, Annalee
Posted by: DaBear on May 19, 2006 5:31 PM   
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I think this piece is begging for a part two, Annalee. Included should be some work on how can you differentiate real orgasms from feigned ones, empirically that is, and make more of a point to the whole article in part two... was this a slice of life piece or an expose or a focus on how "grown up" or proficient kink.com is, or why it's in SF and not Chatsworth, etc.

More more!

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Fuck me shoes
Posted by: Krusty Geezer on May 20, 2006 3:41 AM   
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I just want to know what fuck-me shoes are? Or am I missing the point. Maybe the author's in shock over Sateen's actually got footwear. 'Fuck me, shoes!' Or maybe it's an extension of foot fetischism mixed with pirate terminology, and it's a command à la 'shiver me timbers'. Maybe it's a brand that I'm not aware of; Fuck-Me shoes - coming soon, the clothing line.

A real soufflé of an article - thinking not recommended; not really sure what this is doing on AlterNet. Then again it is the weekend and me hed hurts(sic).

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What the web did for porn? The best!
Posted by: BeMi on Aug 17, 2006 4:19 AM   
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I like sex and I don´t have a prob that it became an industry like everything in our society! I enjoy our free market system as long as it doesn´t conflict with really substantial values like involving children etc. But hey fellows, if you can´t take it turn around, step away, and let people have their fun!
I´m checking once in awhile for sextoys and movies. Normally you´re not able to find what you like because it´s hidden, dirty, condemned... I found f.e. amojoo.com and those guys light up at least the erotic shopping part in a funny userfriendly way by listing almost all erotic online stores worldwide on the web. That´s only one reason and I say thank you for having the web to find my stuff!
Bea

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I don't get this at all:
Posted by: Graeme on Aug 26, 2006 1:59 PM   
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"...something that could only happen in the world of Porn 2.0. She's had a genuine orgasm, the kind of thing you'd almost never see a woman do in porn before the Web took over."

Why in the world does it make a difference whether the scene was broadcast over the Internet or not? How does that make the orgasm more genuine? Would it not have been "real" if it had merely been recorded on videotape and watched later? Is the author being facetious here or what? This really makes no sense to me at all. When did AlterNet start running unthinking, fawning porn ads as articles?

Not to mention the "screaming" part: I don't know about everyone else, but in my experience most female orgasms don't involve screaming, unless they are of the theatrical, on-demand type (you know, fake).

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RE: in my opinion
Posted by: nickbk on Jan 3, 2007 7:34 AM   
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Does anybody know what this post is all about? Also, I tried reporting it, but the reports never went through. I apparently couldn't read the security text correctly each time, though I thought I was doing just fine. Anybody else having problems?

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