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Immigration Debate Rages Among Blacks

By Earl Ofari Hutchinson, Pacific News Service. Posted April 17, 2006.


While most civil rights leaders and black Democrats now support illegal immigrants' rights, for a long time they were mute on the issue.
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Two things happened within one day of each other this month that rammed race back into the debate over illegal immigration. First, a Field poll in California found that blacks -- by a bigger percentage than whites, and even American-born Latinos -- back liberal immigration reform measures. The next day, a spirited group of black activists marched in front of the Los Angeles office of popular, outspoken black California House Democrat Maxine Waters. They protested Waters' firm support of citizenship for illegal immigrants.

The protesters claimed that the overwhelming majority of blacks oppose illegal immigration. They denounced black leaders such as Waters, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton for allegedly selling out black interests by backing immigration reform.

The Field poll findings, and the flap between Waters and anti-immigration protesters, is another painful example of the deep fissure that the illegal immigration debate has opened among blacks.

The Field poll is accurate, but only up to a point. The majority of blacks instinctively pull for the underdog, especially if the underdog is poor and non-white. The majority of illegal immigrants fit that bill, and much more.

Many come from countries plagued by civil war and economic destitution. They work jobs that pay scant wages with minimal or non-existent labor protections. Blacks suffered decades of Jim Crow segregation, violence and poverty. Many liken the marches, rallies and political lobbying by immigrant rights' groups to the civil rights struggles of the 1960s.

Then there's the faint and fond memory of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.'s Poor People's Campaign in 1968. The aim was to unite blacks, Latinos, American Indians, and poor whites in a campaign for economic justice. Against the opposition of some civil rights activists, King actively courted Latino leaders.

Blacks also cringe at the thought that they could be perceived as racial bigots. When pollsters ask blacks their opinions on issues that deal with civil rights and racial justice, they reflexively give the response that will cast them in the best favorable racial light on these issues. Yet, like many whites, a significant number of blacks privately express doubts -- even animosity -- toward illegal immigrants.

The month before the results of the Field Poll were announced, a poll by the Pew Research Center found that many blacks were hostile toward illegal immigrants. The sore point with them was jobs. They blamed illegal immigrants for worsening the dire plight of young, poor African American males. Recent studies by researchers at Harvard, Columbia, Princeton, as well as the Urban League's annual State of Black America report, confirm that black males suffer a jobless rate double and triple that of white males in some urban areas. Their unemployment numbers are also substantially higher than those of Latino males.

Some economists and employment studies finger illegal immigration as a big cause of the economic slippage of low- and marginally-skilled young black males. There is some evidence that the poorest and least skilled blacks have lost jobs to illegal immigrants. But that job loss is not unique to blacks. Unskilled workers of all ethnic groups, including whites, lose jobs as the number of unskilled workers increases, regardless of whether those in the unskilled work pool are illegal immigrants or native-born workers.

Even if illegal immigration had no adverse economic impact on the urban poor, many would still fervently believe that it does. When an issue stirs intense passions and fears, and illegal immigration is certainly an issue that does that, belief can trump reality. That's plainly evident in the blistering comments that many blacks have made on black talk radio shows in recent weeks slamming illegal immigrants. Some even implore blacks not to join immigrant rights protests.

Many of them cite the remark that Mexican President Vicente Fox made last May in a speech in the seacoast town of Puerta Vallarta. Fox praised Mexicans for their dignity and hard work ethic, and their willingness to work the toughest, dirtiest jobs in the U.S. But he then added that they worked jobs that blacks won't work. This gaffe was, at best, insensitive and, at worst, racially demeaning -- and many blacks were furious at Fox, and they took it as evidence that Mexicans disdained blacks.

While most civil rights leaders and black Democrats now firmly support illegal immigrants' rights, for a long time they were mute on the issue. The Congressional Black Caucus opposed the Sensenbrenner bill in the House last December. But it made little effort to expose the punitive, draconian provisions of the bill, let alone inform and engage blacks on how illegal immigration impacts their interests. This sowed more doubt and confusion about illegal immigration among blacks.

Still, the Field poll and the demonstration at Congresswoman Waters' office had one thing in common: it put black leaders squarely in the same spot that the rest of the nation is on when it comes to illegal immigration. Deal with it!

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Earl Ofari Hutchinson is the author of The Crisis in Black and Black (Middle Passage Press). The Hutchinson Report Blog is now online at Earl Ofari Hutchinson.com.

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on the backs of blacks
Posted by: dryscalp on Apr 17, 2006 2:27 PM   
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Popular culture, shaped by film, theater, advertising, the press, television and literature, is heavily engaged in race talk. It participates freely in this most enduring and efficient rite of passage into American culture: negative appraisals of the native-born black population. Only when the lesson of racial estrangement is learned is assimilation complete. Whatever the lived experience of immigrants with African Americans -- pleasant, beneficial or bruising -- the rhetorical experience renders blacks as noncitizens, already discredited outlaws.

All immigrants fight for jobs and space, and who is there to fight but those who have both? As in the fishing ground struggle between Texas and Vietnamese shrimpers, they displace what and whom they can. Although U.S. history is awash in labor battles, political fights and property wars among all religious and ethnic groups, their struggles are persistently framed as struggles between recent arrivals and blacks. In race talk the move into mainstream America always means buying into the notion of American blacks as the real aliens. Whatever the ethnicity or nationality of the immigrant, his nemesis is understood to be African American.

Current attention to immigration has reached levels of panic not seen since the turn of the century. To whip up this panic, modern race talk must be revised downward into obscurity and nonsense if antiblack hostility is to remain the drug of choice, giving headlines their kick. PATTERNS OF IMMIGRATION FOLLOWED BY WHITE FLIGHT, screams the Star-Ledger in Newark. The message we are meant to get is that disorderly newcomers are dangerous to stable (white) residents. Stability is white. Disorder is black. Nowhere do we learn what stable middle-class blacks think or do to cope with the ''breaking waves of immigration.'' The overwhelming majority of African Americans, hardworking and stable, are out of the loop, disappeared except in their less than covert function of defining whites as the ''true'' Americans.

So addictive is this ploy that the fact of blackness has been abandoned for the theory of blackness. It doesn't matter anymore what shade the newcomer's skin is. A hostile posture toward resident blacks must be struck at the Americanizing door before it will open. The public is asked to accept American blacks as the common denominator in each conflict between an immigrant and a job or between a wannabe and status. It hardly matters what complexities, contexts and misinformation accompany these conflicts. They can all be subsumed as the equation of brand X vs. blacks.

This is an excerpt of an article written by toni morrison. Here's the address: http://www.time.com/time/community/morrisonessay.html
Can anyone tell me how to hyperlink it?

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Thanks So Much For That dryscalp!
Posted by: dlf on Apr 17, 2006 2:56 PM   
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You see it means something when the educated Black person has their eyes open and reports what they truly see. Unlike Earl who has written countless articles trying to mute Black dissent. If Blacks all thought alike we would all either think like Sharpton, Rice, King, Malcolm, or Thomas. We don't all think alike and we aren't all engaged in the same conversation either. And the more I speak with people in my community, the more I see their understanding of what they see and feel, is filtered through what White media and Black leaders have been telling them. Everyday more of us are waking from the big slumber, and we know the filter is old and stinky. We are replacing it with one that is made in the community and sold at the corner store. And Earl don't live on my street!

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BLACK or WHITE........DEAL WITH IT
Posted by: picket on Apr 18, 2006 8:03 AM   
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MONEY..... To listen to the "talking heads" on The Chris Matthews Show on Sunday discussing college education, looks like those with median incomes,$50,000, are not doing well, getting their children educated.

The "talking heads' were all very proud of their Ivy League experiences, the poor kids whose parents only make $50,000 a year, just did not read enough to them etc etc.....soooo... since space is limited at the "so called best' Institutions of Learning, chances are slim for getting in even if you are the valedictorian!

That conversation is generally heard at dinner parties, where those not quite as advantaged are discussed. I am still amazed that all of America was privy to that discussion.

Hard working Americans, with median incomes of $50,000, are the majority paying the bills......what the "talking heads" don't realize is that the 1% of Americans, the richest, who are not the majority and are not paying the bills for this country, are talking about them...... "Losers.....no summer in Europe??"

Poverty, below poverty,lower middle, middle, upper middle, what does it matter? The 1% rich control. If the 99% of Americans ever got together there would be change. There might be some crumbs left over. Exxon executive getting $100.61 A MINUTE in wages. " Oh, can't afford to drive to work? Loser........"

Talk reality to your children...they will be a lot happier in life, and so will you.

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What Immigrants must learn from the Black Civil Rights Movement
Posted by: isaiah 06 on Apr 18, 2006 8:35 AM   
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By JUAN SANTOS
"I'm not an American. I'm one of the twenty-two million Black people who are the victims of Americanism. One of the 22 million Black people who are the victims of democracy--nothing but disguised hypocrisy. So I'm not standing here speaking to you as an American, or a patriot, or a flag-saluter, or a flag-waver--no, not I. I'm speaking as a victim of this American system. And I see America through the eyes of the victim. I don't see any American dream; I see an American nightmare." -- MALCOLM X
Millions of people's lives are at stake.
Racist lawmakers on the Republican ultra-Right now assure us - after they were deeply stung by the protests of millions, and after we won the hearts of 62% of the US population - that they want to drop the provisions in new immigration laws that would make migrants felons.
?Y que? Some three to six million people would still be arrested and deported. The Republicans and Democrats alike have decided the arrests would be for misdemeanors - not felonies.
That's so they don't clog their courts, a point that was made with crystalline clarity on the House floor when HR4437 first passed in December. It has nothing to do with "compassion" or authentic "inclusion." They want us to imagine that not being labeled "felons" will make us safe.
But nothing could be further from the truth. Here's why.
Every immigration proposal still on the table authorizes local police to enforce federal immigration law, just like agents of La Migra, the Border Patrol. The National Immigration Law Center makes it plain:
"State and local police with no immigration law training could claim new authority as enforcers of criminal law to decide when someone who 'looks foreign' or 'sounds foreign' has violated federal criminal immigration law."
Everyone with brown skin would become a stigmatized "suspect." The only difference is we would be suspects in a misdemeanor - not a felony.
Under such "compromises" millions of migrants will be deported, their families split apart and uprooted. The "compromise" approach endangers not only migrants, but all Brown people. It will open the door to a new ethnic cleansing, one surpassing the ethnic cleansings of Mexicans the US government carried out during the Great Depression, when 350,000 Mexicans and Chicanos were deported, and during Operation Wetback, when 1,300,000 of us were deported in the mid-1950s.
Imagine - at a minimum - that everyone who's marched for migrants rights in recent weeks were deported. More likely, it would all happen quietly, millions arrested, one by one: out of sight. Call it a slow death, the kind suffered today by impoverished African Americans in the wake of the first Civil Rights Movement. It is imperative that our new movement not suffer the same fate.
This is how it worked then, and what they're aiming for now.
When outrages like open Jim Crow segregation could no longer be counted on to keep African Americans "in their place" in the context of the world-wide anti-colonial rebellions of the 50s and 60s, the powers that be tried to buy off a sector of Black people in the US by giving them new opportunities; a substantial Black middle class arose almost overnight. This is the equivalent of the "carrot" of "legalization" and "citizenship" in our context today.
For the rest of the Black nation, stranded in the ghettos, Jim Crow was followed by an even harsher master - mass incarceration. One by one young African Americans have vanished, locked into prison, until the ones added up to millions, each rendered silent - until the silence of the terror and rage in the ghettos of America has grown so loud it has turned the nation deaf.
A similar fate would await the millions, who, under a "compromise," would face nothing less than mass deportation, mass, legal persecution. Same trick: different decade.

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Follow the $
Posted by: cold2touch on Apr 18, 2006 1:55 PM   
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Why is it that the corporate elite insists on absolutely free flow of capital to instantly pounce on any opportunity, anywhere on Earth, while prohibiting movement of people? The reason is very simple: invest in dirt cheap slave labor markets overseas and sell crappy merchandise at giant premium to dumb consumers back home.
And that is the real bone of contention.
Insist on decent minimum wages, at home and abroad, uniform access to healthcare and education, equal opportunity for all of God's creatures not just for moneyed retards named Bush who get into Ivy League schools while wearing diapers.
That would solve the immigration problem once and for all.

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Why Don't These Articles Get Wide Circulation?
Posted by: dlf on Apr 19, 2006 6:03 AM   
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http://www.cis.org/articles/2002/msknr506.html

In 1980, the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission—then chaired by Eleanor Holmes Norton—filed a lawsuit against a Chicago manufacturing firm specifically to prevent blacks from being crowded out by immigrants. It was clear, at that point, that the affirmative-action apparatus recognized the threat immigration posed to the perceived interests of blacks. The EEOC lost the lawsuit, and a subsequent one along the same lines; this ended what Graham calls a “campaign to protect black workers from the surging tides of immigrant competition.” Since then, black leaders seem to have given up on their ostensible constituents.

And if the black leadership wanted to abandon its constituents, business wasn’t going to stand in it’s way. One of Graham’s most important insights is that business at first acceded to affirmative action as a way to avoid litigation with government, but eventually came to embrace it as a way to avoid hiring blacks: If minority status is fungible—any kind of minority counts toward the “goals and timetables”—then business could avoid government and activist-group attention and avoid hiring blacks simply by hiring immigrants instead. The law, Graham says, “opened a window of opportunity for business, under the banner of diversity, to hire Hispanic and Asian immigrants in preference to native-born black workers.”

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We baked a smaller pie
Posted by: hotlipsin61 on Apr 19, 2006 12:33 PM   
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You knew this was coming: In California, there was an expression: The people keep coming and the jobs keep going.
It didn't matter where the jobs went-we even had Arnold Schwarzenegger campaign to keep jobs in the state as they moved to nearby states like Nevada and Arizona.
While jobs fled, people kept pouring into the Golden State-looking for work. And who where these newly arrivals? Immigrants from various countries.
Immigrants don't recognize POLITICAL boundaries, as boundaries are only found on maps and are arbitrary at best.
I think too many Americans look south towards Latin America and see people making the harrowing journey through the Sonoran Desert to get here. Many of them perish in that harsh and forbidden terrain.
Immigrants also arrive by plane and by ship and we never pay attention to that fact.
The point here is that no matter where the immigrant comes from, they're all looking for a better world for themselves. I wish we could stop the bickering between the races in the US and realize the issue is the economic pie isn't as big as it once was.
We're competing for everything-isn't that-competition-ingrained into our way of life since colonial times?
We're running out of living space in California. Millions of jobs which were here are gone.
The cooks have gone, too. No one works in the bakery except a temp. He baked a smaller pie.

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We baked a smaller pie
Posted by: hotlipsin61 on Apr 19, 2006 12:55 PM   
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You knew this was coming: In California, there was an expression: The people keep coming and the jobs keep going.
It didn't matter where the jobs went-we even had Arnold Schwarzennegger campaign to keep jobs in the state as they moved to nearby states like Nevada and Arizona.
While jobs fled, people kept pouring into the Golden State-looking for work. And who where these newly arrivals? Immigrants from various countries.
Immigrants don't recognize POLITICAL boundaries, as boundaries are only found on maps and are arbitrary at best.
I think too many Americans look south toward Latin America (mainly Mexico) and see people making the harrowing journey through the Sonoran Desert to get here. Many of them perish in that harsh and forbidden terrain.
Immigrants also arrive by plane and by ship and we never pay attention to that fact.
The point here is that no matter where the immigrant comes from, they're all looking for a better world for themselves. I wish we could stop the bickering between the races in the US and realize the issue is the economic pie isn't as big as it once was. I know we can never accept any form of socioeconomic compromise, but we have to quit demonizing immigrants. They're people, too.
If we can't find a job, who do we blame? Was it your skills, attitude, poor resume, discrimination, what? The recent arrival didn't write the contract or conduct the background check or arrange the interview or place the job in the newspaper somewhere.
In the words of singer Neil Sedaka, "There was a time when strangers were welcomed here-" but NOT anymore unless they immigrate legally. But many jobs scream for illegals to do the work that many of us won't do and that is a valid case.
You have to realize who's getting rich-actors, politicians, professional athletes and entertainers, some entrepreneurs, but not the American poor and some minorities who languish in ghettoes and barrios.
The aforementioned are those we emulate. We see them on TV-MTV, ESPN, and pop culture is a culprit to promote this kind of shameful role models.
Immigrants do know about American life and they want to subscribe to it. To a point. There's nothing like having a big house with a spacious green lawn as in Huntington Beach or in the San Fernando Valley.
We're competing for everything-isn't that-competition-ingrained into our way of life since colonial times?
We're running out of living space in California. People are going through very hard times in Los Angeles and other big cities here. Millions of jobs which were here are gone. We can't blame immigrants for that.
The cooks have gone, too. No one works in the bakery except a temp. He baked a smaller pie.

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» RE: We baked a smaller pie Posted by: Bobsays
Americans have lost the plot on this
Posted by: Bobsays on Apr 21, 2006 4:42 AM   
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Americans love to frame everything in terms of race. While your history is one of horrendous racial conflict, it isn't anyway to run an immigration scheme. Getting control of immigration is the right thing. As much as some claim, immigrants do draw down on resources when they arrive in a new country. The transition into the new society and economy is best facilitated by a managed immigration scheme, not the loosey, goosey approach so far. Illegal is illegal.

In my travels to the US I do see that blacks are being pushed out of jobs by new hispanic arrivals. It is a fact.

You can't view this through the lens of race. It is about class. And the only class that feel the pinch from immigration is the working and middle class. A competition is underway and if standards are allowed to slip, then all that the competition is about is lower wages.

Europeans know all about this because the new illegal arrivals are so clearly having an affect on the quality of life. It is time to talk honestly about immigration and its impact on society. It can be done well, or it can be done in such a way as to reduce all western cities to third world slums. We don't want that.

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Mass Immigration = 3rd World Std of Living
Posted by: fairleft on Apr 21, 2006 11:21 AM   
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It is not the impact of mass immigration directly that causes third-worldization in the US, but of 2 things mass immigration does: bust unions and lower wages. With enough of that, then as the person above said, we see whole big sections of our cities slide into the third world standard of living. And we _do_ see that, anyone who gets out of their suburban bubble and opens their eyes.

The goal of almost everyone reading this, of whatever ethnicity, is a society where almost everybody makes middle-class wages. But that's exactly the thing the ruling class (which includes the Dem & Repup parties) is against. And they know how to pit one worker against another to get the race to the bottom they want.

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Read The 14th Amendment If You're Confused About Citizenship Rights
Posted by: dlf on Apr 21, 2006 6:08 PM   
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14th. Amendment
to the U.S. Constitution

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; I wonder if this amendment covers those places, which have forced building supply stores to provide day labor work sites, in violation of the immigration law and the 14 the Amendment?

The Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution was passed by both houses on 8th June and the 13th June, 1866. The amendment was designed to grant citizenship to and protect the civil liberties of recently freed slaves. It did this by prohibiting states from denying or abridging the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States, depriving any person of his life, liberty, or property without due process of law, or denying to any person within their jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.


nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Could this refer to Title VII violations?

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