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Democracy: What A Concept

By Molly Ivins, AlterNet. Posted March 22, 2006.


Finally, there's a dandy way to abolish the Electoral College and elect the president by popular vote.

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Good news: The Bush people have put out a new "strategy." The bad news is it's the same as the old one.

The Pentagon's strategic review plan again commits us to promoting democracy hither and yon through such effective means as pre-emptive war, bombing and other good stuff.

This is the same plan we've been working from, with mixed results so far. In the Middle East, the Palestinians had an election and put Hamas in charge. That didn't seem to make anyone happy. Lebanon had an election and put Hezbollah in charge. The theory that democracy would solve all problems is especially dicey in Iraq. The Iraqis have now elected an entire government, but they don't seem to be able to get it to gel. Meanwhile, we are committed to forcing democracies into existence as though they were so many slow spring bulbs.

I do like the idea of supporting democracy, however, and think we should try it -- especially here in the U.S. of A. To this end, a couple of dandy ideas are now circulating, and I think they're worth your support and excitement. For ages, all good reformers have wanted to get rid of the Electoral College and have direct popular election of presidents, instead. The disastrous election in 2000 finally culminated in Bush v. Gore, a Supreme Court decision so bad even the court disowned it at the time.

Every nightmare scenario about just how screwed up things could get with the Electoral College all came true. What a giant mess: a textbook case of why the Electoral College is toxic piffle. But the desire to Do Something about the mess in 2000 burned itself out. The Republicans who took over Congress are just not natural reformers. Trouble is, the system has just about "ruint" presidential elections, which now turn on a handful of swing states, while everyone else is ignored. While millions of dollars, hours of political ads and hordes of politicians descend every four years on the swing states, you can barely tell there's an election going on in the rest of the country. Should you live safely tucked into a solidly red or blue state, your vote is unsought, uncounted and unnecessary -- we know how your state's votes will be cast whether you vote or not.

There is a new move promoted by the Campaign for a National Popular Vote to end-run all the problems normally associated with abolishing the Electoral College. This is a state-by-state effort to instruct each state's electors to vote for whichever candidate gets the most popular votes nationwide. Look at 2004: A switch of 60,000 votes in Ohio would have thrown the entire election to John Kerry, despite the fact that George Bush was 3 million votes ahead nationwide.

National Popular Vote has a dandy new approach. Instead of trying to amend the Constitution through a long, difficult process that can and will be stalled by small sates, the campaign proposes a simpler, elegant solution. According to the Constitution, each state legislature can instruct its own electors to cast their votes however the state decides, usually as winner-take-all for whichever candidate carries the state. But there is no reason a state legislature cannot instruct its electors to vote for whomever wins the popular vote.

Democracy! What a concept! The states can do this one-by-one, subscribing to an interstate compact that would take effect when enough states join to elect the actual winner -- a majority of the 538 electoral votes.

Wouldn't it be fun? Candidates campaigning everywhere -- everyone's vote wanted? Democrats in Texas, Republicans in New York, all sought after, cared about as though we actually matter. Yes, this would make campaigns harder on candidates and probably more expensive, as well. And that in turn makes public campaign financing all the more likely. Yea!

Another potentially hopeful development lurks in the Texas redistricting case. True, if the Supreme Curt reverses the appalling Texas plan, the guy most likely to benefit is Rep. Tom DeLay (he would get back a slew of Republican voters he gave away), but sest la vye. Gerrymandering congressional districts -- an art form long practiced by both parties -- may have an aged pedigree, but like money in politics, it has gone so far that it is destroying democracy. With computers, districts can be drawn to such perfect political one-sidedness that there is, in fact, no point in holding elections at all. The Supreme Court is highly unlikely to stop this process entirely, but even a check on it would be useful.

There is another simple, elegant solution for this problem. Iowa already uses it -- a nonpartisan redistricting commission. The result is that three of Iowa's four congressional seats are competitive. Politicians actually have to go out and listen to voters in order to get elected.

In most districts, re-election is so automatic it might as well be a hereditary right. When at least 98 percent of Congress gets re-elected every year, one really has to question whether democracy exists at all in this country. Now's our chance -- sign us up for the Pentagon democracy plan.

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proportional representation solves gerrymandering best
Posted by: wli on Mar 22, 2006 1:13 AM   
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Unfortunately that's about as likely to happen as Dubya dumping Pickles and marrying Gannon/Guckert/Gosch on national TV with Chavez and Ahmedinejad presiding over the marriage, singing the praises of Karl Marx, and wrapping it up with a rendition of the Internationale in a duet with Gannon/Guckert/Gosch.

As far as the electoral college goes, I very much doubt the elector instruction bits will get anywhere, particularly when/where the state chooses a candidate different from nationally and it would make a difference. It's more likely to produce a situation where Democratic or other "left wing" electors get duped.

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interesting proposal, but...
Posted by: Spot on Mar 22, 2006 4:01 AM   
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i remain skeptical that raising the price of the game is going to encourage democracy. I believe that it is much more likely that (in the extremely remote case that this proposal would be taken seriously) it would serve the opposite end. in an existing pay to play system; how is raising the price of admission going to let in the individual, blue- (or no-) collar voter? and might it not also open up the door for ballot-box stuffing in a state as notoriously election-corrupt as florida or ohio? an interesting proposal, but i think it's just a little too far from reality.

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zooming toward democracy
Posted by: rsaxto on Mar 22, 2006 4:30 AM   
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Molly is correctly zooming toward democracy but the Bushies hate democracy so the first 3 steps toward democracy are censure, impeachment and deleted from power Bushies. Then we can begin to push everywhichway toward a real democracy and real survival of humans and the rest of earth life.

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» RE: zooming toward democracy Posted by: Lincoln fan
...and then count every vote!
Posted by: ggmurray on Mar 22, 2006 5:38 AM   
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Molly, this is a great idea! Only three things need to be added to it:
(1) Public campaign financing so any viable candidate regardless of wealth can run for office.
(2) Rapid verifiable paper ballot recounts to eliminate the opportunity for votes to be electronically changed.
(3) Non-partisan election monitors at every polling place to ensure fair and easy access for all voters.

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Some points
Posted by: brunowe on Mar 22, 2006 6:44 AM   
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First, Hezbollah didn't win the elections in Lebanon, the Amal-Hezbollah alliance won 35 seats while the anti-Syrian coalition won 72. See the full results here

Second, will the states that are solidly in either the red or blue column sign on to the electoral vote plan? Presumably, if they're solidly in one camp, so are the state governments. I doubt the dominant party is going to pass a law instructing its electors to vote for the other party just because it won a majority of the national vote.

Third, I'm glad the Iowa plan was mentioned, I think it's a good one for the reasons that Ms. Ivins mentioned. There is one potential hitch. Since Iowa is about 93% white, the issue of race as it relates to electoral districting doesn't come up, in fact the Iowa code bars considerations of factors other than head-count unless constitutionally required. See here for the details of the plan. In more diverse states, the majority-minority district issue is going to come into play. That doesn't make the plan unworkable in those states, I just note the existence of a factor that Iowa hasn't had to contend with.

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Reform
Posted by: Lincoln fan on Mar 22, 2006 7:21 AM   
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Sorry Ms. Molly. I'm afraid that any meaningful reform is impossible under our current system. First, we need "government of the people, by the people. and for the people". Click on A new idea

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» hey lincoln fan Posted by: antiapathy
» RE: hey lincoln fan Posted by: Lincoln fan
» enough with issues! Posted by: nedwylie
molly's wishful thinking
Posted by: gerdhansel on Mar 22, 2006 8:17 AM   
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Wishing don't make it so, Molly Ivins.

Two things states with small populations will never give up:
Only two U.S. Senators per state, regardless of population.
Winner-take-all voting in the electoral college.

These are the only two Constitutional provisions that protect Nevada, Wyoming and Idaho from getting bullied by California, Colorado and Oregon.

This idea might appeal to legislatures in larger states, and even then it would be a tough sell.

Proportional representation would be a good idea, but is politically impossible with our current system of K Street lobbyists and greedy legislators inside the Beltway. The two major political parties would never tolerate the competition.

The only countries where proportional representation is in place have parliamentary systems of government. In Britain, Germany and Israel, for example, the people elect representatives to a parliamentary body and the results are split up proportionally.

The party or colation of parties with a majority in the parliament form an entire government, including the chief executive. When the government screws up, the parliament can call for a vote of no-confidence and a new government can be formed, just like that.

I'm afraid the Founding Fathers didn't do us any favors when they invented our system of government. They should have given us a parliamentary system of government like the hated Brits had, minus the monarchy of course.

That's the real reason we're in this mess today. The solution - call for a Consitutional Convention and switch to a parliamentary system with proportional representation.

If the U.S. Congress won't initiate a Constitutional Convention, three-fourths of the states still can.

It's time to wipe the blackboard and start over, Madison, Jefferson and company.

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» RE: molly's wishful thinking Posted by: brunowe
» still the best yet... Posted by: starvinmarvy
Direct Election is Not the Answer
Posted by: NoPCZone on Mar 22, 2006 9:04 AM   
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Creating another problem is no way to solve the problems with the current electoral system. Electoral College Calculus has already given us elections where whole regions of our country are written off and that's not the kind of democracy we want or need. Popular Vote election would just exacerbate the problem.

The problem is the 2 party monopoly that our country is currently hostage to. From the organization of Congress to basic ballot access, the Democratic and Republican parties agree on exactly one thing-- keep the system a 2 party equation. Anything else will force them out of their highly profitable comfort zone.

An omnibus political reform package is needed and should include at least these few things:

1- Specify that no recognition of seniority in the organization of Congress will be allowed. This way small states cannot get outsized representation by returning the same person for decades on end.

2- Congress will no longer be allowed to write/change it's on rules and organization. The new law should organize congress and committees on a modified parliamentary model. The President will now be subject to a vote of confidence/no confidence. A President's Questions would also be valuable. Can you Imaging 'W' standing in the well of the House having to answer questions from members of the Congress?

3-House terms should be extended from 2 to 4 years and Senate terms from 6 to 8 years. This should remove some of the endless campaigning pressure on members.

4-Primary and general election campaigns should have a limited window similar to that done in the U.K. The undue influence of small states like New Hampshire and Iowa on the primary process would be gone. A shorter election cycle would also cost less money.

5-Ballot access by standing political parties needs to be rationalized and designed to be inclusive. Parties like the Libertarians, Greens and others spend precious time, treasure and sweat just getting on the ballot instead of talking issues. A reasonable & uniform standard for ballot access should not be a tool for the major parties to exclude the voices of democracy.

Direct popular vote election would just result in candidates playing the big urban centers against the rest of the country. As the urban areas are demographically, economically and culturally different from the rest of the country, we would just have a different Red vs Blue equation. The map would be different but the end result would be the same.

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» One thing to add! Posted by: stuck_in_FL
» RE: One thing to add! Posted by: starvinmarvy
Votes??? Actually counted?!!!
Posted by: chasaturn on Mar 22, 2006 10:08 AM   
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Oh, sure. And the tooth fairy will make everyone behave. Do you really suppose all that gerrymandering hoopla was anything more than a smoke screen? And while we're all feeling good about "straightening out" that problem, the trucks back up to the polling places and drop off corrupted computers. Beyond all that, just remember, Bushco is a SYMPTOM, not the cancer that is eating us alive. The disease is corporate capitalism.

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» not in ohio, florida, etc... Posted by: antiapathy
gtrpiker
Posted by: Gtrpicker on Mar 22, 2006 10:50 AM   
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It must be at least considered that, like global warming hitting the point of no return, that American democracy may have reached the point of no return. I think that until we are willing to accept at least the possibility that those in charge will do anything to hold on to their power we will be powerless to effect any change. We might need to accept the reality of full scale revolution, just as our founders did with England, before Americans realize their dilema and remember that revolution is something our founders fully understood and approved.
Two things must happen to wrest the reins of government away from the corporatocracy and back to the people: One, a Constitutional Amendment barring corporations from exercising the rights of citizenship, the Supreme Court back in the 1890s gave corporations the same rights as individuals; Two, we must have government financed elections. The money corporations now use to buy our government away from us must be excised from the political process.
I don't know how any of this can be accomplished, because it requires an educated and informed electorate, and I don't think we can count on that.

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» RE: gtrpiker Posted by: Lincoln fan
We can abolish the Electoral College
Posted by: jeffrey7 on Mar 22, 2006 1:53 PM   
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DEMOCRACY is....NO ELECTORIAL COLLEGE
DEMOCRACY is...THE PEOPLE REMOVING BAD POLITICIANS
DEMOCRACY is...EVERY VOICE BEING HEARD
DEMOCRACY is... NO CENSORSHIP
DEMOCRACY is...NO HOMELESSNESS
DEMOCRACY is...NO HUNGRY PEOPLE
DEMOCRACY is...NO PEOPLE WITHOUT HEAT
DEMOCRACY is...HEALTHCARE
DEMOCRACY is....LIVING PEACE,IN ACTION
DEMOCRACY is... RESPECTING OTHERS
DEMOCRACY is...NOT KILLING TO MAKE A POINT
DEMOCRACY is.. WHAT WE DON"T HAVE NOW.
DEMOCRACY is...WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE BACK

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May I suggest that the best way to abolish the Electoral College..
Posted by: superdan on Mar 22, 2006 5:56 PM   
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.. is to abolish the electoral college. Duh.
I'm not american so maybe I have no authority to comment but you need a healthy dose of Proportional Representation, and not half-measures, workarounds and lame attempts to take back what is left of your democracy. If your party gets 10% of the votes then you get 10% of the power. This gets rid of the two-party system overnight. In my experience (New Zealand moved from electoral-college style First-past-the-post fairly recently) it works, and leads to a government that is the most representative one I can think of. I actually feel like there are people like me in government and it's a bloody nice feeling. Oh, and you should take a sledgehammer to those voting machines. The people of your country, democrat and republican, are being treated like a bunch of absolute bitches by your own government, how long are you going to put up with it?

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» That easy, huh? Posted by: brunowe
» RE: That easy, huh? Posted by: superdan
Here and Now
Posted by: HeKnew on Mar 22, 2006 8:16 PM   
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How about Direct Democracy across the board, at every level of government, and a Vote of Confidence America amendment that would enable the American public to intervene and remove from office any elected federal official who fails in their responsibility to represent their constituents.

While I'm on the subject, how about a way for the American public to ratify or reject cabinet members, and a way to recall Supreme Court Justices?

It's OUR government.

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seacane
Posted by: agitatur on Mar 22, 2006 8:56 PM   
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I have no new ideas to present here, but I can't tell you how much I respectfully admire those of you who have shown a sincere concern for the problems that face our government, economy, and society.

Expression of ideas are the first step to change. And from what I have read in this single post , there are no shortage of rational
thought among you. The ideas expressed by you should give pause for consideration by thinking people of all political stripes.
Thank you for caring enough to share those thoughts. This is what democracy is all about.

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Democracy in the US? Welcome to the 19th century!
Posted by: Aussie Kim on Mar 22, 2006 10:27 PM   
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Wow - each vote will be worth 1 vote! What an astonishing concept!

Maybe one day when the US gets democracy, it will lose the drive to force "democracy" on to the rest of the world, like in Latin America, where there is no corruption or death or torture or anything like that...much.

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Make Electoral votes better represent the popular vote
Posted by: caliowan on Mar 22, 2006 11:25 PM   
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How? Each congressional district gets one electoral vote. That vote should go to the presidential candidate who won in that district. Period. As for the two electoral votes from each state that pertain to the Senate seats, they can both go to the popular winner of that state, since the Senate offices are statewide races. This will allow states to split their electoral votes proportionally to how they vote, making every state worth a campaign effort because every blue state has red districts and vice-versa.

This way, it will be much closer to a popular vote total, but without completely abolishing the electoral college. Though it would not eliminate the possibility of a popular vote loser winning the election, it would be much more accurately representative of the nation's political fabric on any given election day.

Along with public financing of campaigns to remove wealthy donors' influence, this would make a huge difference and go a long way toward restoring democracy in the United States. Add the parliamentary idea of matching the proportion of votes to the makeup of the party representatives and you've got a system that could really stand a chance to survive, for a few centuries anyway.

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No, that's not how it works.
Posted by: superdan on Mar 23, 2006 2:55 PM   
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In proportional representation as it is practiced here, half of the representatives are elected from a particular electoral district and half are elected from party lists (which must be published by the party well before the election). So if a party is entitled to, say, 10 seats, and they have won seven electoral seats, then they get three more representatives from the party list.

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