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When Liberals Attack: Alterman vs. Klein

By Rory O'Connor, AlterNet. Posted January 26, 2006.


Media infighting over the Bush spying scandal.

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"Eric Alterman is simply not a serious person --- and I'm writing about a very serious issue," says Time columnist Joe Klein, in response to Eric Alterman's recent ad hominem attack in The Nation, wherein he dubs Klein one of the mainstream media's "most egregious offenders against journalistic standards and simple honesty."

"I don't want to address Eric's remarks because they're not worth addressing," Klein says. "This guy just spews opinions without having any information or doing any reporting. You just did something Alterman has never done, for example, actually calling me to do some reporting!"

In the course of generally noting, "The punditocracy's ignore-except-to-attack attitude toward liberals," Alterman dissected a recent Klein column that Alterman claimed "accused Democrats" of playing too fast and too loose with issues of war and peace. He then criticized Klein for his perceived "animus toward liberals coupled with his cavalier treatment of inconvenient facts."

"That's typical of his essential narcissistic laziness," Klein responds. "Alterman has been personally attacking me for years. It's what he does instead of working … He's so peripheral, I forget he's in the business until someone calls or emails me his latest attack!"

The Klein column in question concerned the flap over revelations that the National Security Agency (NSA) is monitoring domestic communications without first seeking warrants. Klein wrote, "A strong majority would favor the NSA program … if its details were declassified and made known." But Alterman claims this is untrue, noting that when an Associated Press poll "asked Americans if the Bush administration should be required to get a warrant before wiretapping, 56 percent answered affirmatively."

Alterman also attacked Klein for relying on U.S. intelligence officials to support his claim that since the publication of the New York Times story on domestic spying, "the terrorists have modified their behavior, hampering our efforts to keep track of them." Alterman then added parenthetically and in his characteristically snarky tone: "(Perhaps the gullible Mr. Klein might be interested in buying some hot African yellowcake uranium, special price …)"

Alterman ended by paraphrasing what he termed "the punditocracy argument," thus: "Never mind that liberals are constitutionally correct. Never mind that their view is supported by a majority of Americans. And never mind that the Bush administration has repeatedly lied to the American people on exactly these issues. Never mind, most of all, the truth."

"I'm not nearly as smart as Eric, to have opinions without bothering to report first," Klein counters. "Instead let me react by speaking to the facts. After all, I've lived my life by seeking out facts and then reporting them. One advantage I think I have over other columnists is that I do reporting."

Klein says he will "have a lot more to say on this (NSA) issue next week -- but first I have to learn more about it."

Asked for an example, Klein says, "The notion of calling it wiretapping is questionable, I think, although I'm still not entirely sure.

"People like me who favor this program don't yet know enough about it yet," he says, "Those opposed to it know even less -- and certainly less than I do."

According to Klein, the NSA employs a "powerful front-end computer program that can scan computers and cell phones and access all previous communications." Then, he says, analysts look for patterns in the calls and emails.

"Once they've gone through that process," he explains, "Then they go to the FISA (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act) special court."

In Klein's analysis, "the liberals are reacting to this issue in their usual reflexive way. Meanwhile, George Bush and others in his administration are being very cynical."

The political flap over the NSA actions, Klein says, could be easily resolved. "All that's needed is an updating of the FISA Act or the Patriot Act." But this is unlikely to happen, Klein believes, "because George Bush is spoiling for and creating a fight on this issue, since he thinks it's a fight he will win in the court of public opinion."

As for his fight with Eric Alterman, Klein's willing to forfeit. "Who cares, really?" he concluded. "He's written lots of inaccurate, foolish stuff about me before. It's just silly. If it were someone who actually KNOWS stuff or caught me in an inaccuracy, then I'd be concerned. But Eric? He can say what he wants."

[Editor's Note: Eric Alterman has responded to Joe Klein on Altercation, his blog at MSNBC.com.]

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I'll take...
Posted by: esactun on Jan 26, 2006 12:09 PM   
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Dr. Alterman (a scholar, in fact) over Klein ("hey now, i didn't write that book... oh, yes, I did, in fact, write it") any day.

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Klein's response is silly
Posted by: lamar on Jan 26, 2006 12:18 PM   
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How can anyone respect Joe Klein when he writes garbage like this: "For too many liberals, all secret intelligence activities are 'fruit,' and bitter fruit at that." Apparently this know-it-all jackass forgot about Libertarians and the few small-government republicans who have yet to sell out to the god gang. Then he says, "This sort of civil-liberties fetishism is a hangover"! Are those who forget the past doomed to repeat it, or are they just hungover and should really just stop whining? His final gem: "There is evidence that the information harvested helped foil several plots and disrupt al-Qaeda operations." It is my understanding that nothing has come from any of the warrantless wiretaps. Why doesn't Mr. Klein (who claims to do actual reporting) give a citation for this key point in his argument? In the end, Klein is just a warmonger who claims to do reporting, but doesn't show you where he got his alleged facts. And he has absolutely no idea what he means by erring on the side of aggression in the war against terror. What in god's green earth does that mean? Sort of like a poor man's Tom Friedman, Klein writes a lot of stuff that may sound poetic in the office, but really doesn't mean anything.

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I'd give Klein a nice taste of my double barrel shotgun if it were fucking legal.
Posted by: maxpayne on Jan 26, 2006 1:21 PM   
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What with the way Klein goes wishy washy and purposely undermining what could have been a truly useful Democratic Party, with "friends" like Joe Klein, who the fuck needs enemies?

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Time, Inc.
Posted by: brasilaron on Jan 26, 2006 2:30 PM   
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The fact that Klein writes in Time magazine ought to be enough to remove him from any argument of serious journalism. I mean, they just put that ski kid on the cover for (apparently) doing nothing more than admitting to SUI (skiing under the influence), adoringly calling him an "American Rebel". THat's journalism? THat's news?

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Steel-Cage Deathmatch?
Posted by: AlanSmithee on Jan 27, 2006 9:29 AM   
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We could possibly be rid of Joe "Kissass" Klein and Eric "Faux-liberal" Alterman in one pay-per-view stroke!

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the arrogance
Posted by: kenhymes on Jan 30, 2006 1:19 PM   
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It's the arrogance of Klein that rankles as much or more than the way he presents himself as a liberal while carrying water for the neocons. He is so smug and proud of his insider status. Seems to me that the events of the last few years should have made it evident to all of us that the more of an insider one is these days, the less one knows what is going on.

I am reminded of the studies of baboon and chimp colonies which discovered a curious, but logical phenomenon. The leading males (and sometimes females) are deferred to by the group, made way for, given first shot at anything in the way of specially acquired food. What they get almost none of is information. They have achieved dominance of the political life of the colony, but are not privy to the gathering of new techniques and resources. These innovations and research are conducted at the margins, by primates with little status, and much necessity to improve their techniques and learn the latest news.

In other words... Klein THINKS he knows what is going on, but actually he is so close to those he reports on, and so used to being deferred to by his coworkers because of his success, that he knows almost nothing beyond the press releases any of us can read for ourselves.

As for Alterman, as a regular Nation reader, I find him fairly monotonous, and like many of us left of center types, much too focused on the politics of the media, rather than on the well-being and interests of ordinary people outside the beltway. But an alpha chimp he's not, Klein's right about that. And that probably makes him a better reporter.

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» RE: the arrogance Posted by: AustinCynic
asdasd
Posted by: corpse on Aug 7, 2006 9:52 AM   
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Jack The Lad
Posted by: RVGIV on Aug 17, 2006 1:20 PM   
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Klein's vision, like many Jews, is so distorted by by an allegiance Israel that his opinions are skewed and quite irrelevant. These people put another countries interests ahead of those of the USA, and that is unacceptable, unpatriotic and dishonest.

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